While the Wisconsin issue and the larger battle over public employees in the states will play out over the next several weeks, we have this other major looming situation that could result in the federal government shutting down in less than two weeks. What’s the latest there?
Well, we know the House passed their continuing resolution to fund the government for the rest of the year, which included at least $61 billion (given all the amendments this is probably more, I haven’t seen a CBO assessment of it yet) in budget cuts from the FY 2010 baseline. The Senate has basically pronounced it dead on arrival, and the White House threatened to veto it, or at least something that did everything it does. The Congress is on a one-week break and when they return, they’ll have one week to resolve this before the old CR runs out. Nancy Pelosi has offered a short-term CR until March 31 to facilitate negotiation. But John Boehner has rejected any CR that doesn’t cut spending.
While he’s done that, Boehner is apparently readying some kind of stopgap, mindful that what the House passed last week will not be the final word, and that the resolution will not be seen within a week. He said that reporters will see this stopgap “soon enough.”
What’s likely is that this short-term stopgap would have to contain cuts of some sort to get signoff from the House GOP leadership.
GOP leadership, he said, would accept a short-term extension of funds to keep the government running while negotiations with the Senate on a long-term deal continued. Those funds, however, could not be at the same level as the current continuing resolution; they’d have to contain cuts.
“Well, our goal is to bring spending back down to pre-bailout, pre-stimulus spending levels, 2008 levels,” Ryan said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “My guess is we’ll probably have some short-term extensions while we negotiate these things with spending cuts. We don’t want to accept these extremely high, elevated levels and so we’re going to have to start negotiating on these things not just with the Senate but also with the president as well. I’m not going to go through negotiating through the media, with all due respect, but we are not going to accept these extremely high levels of spending. We’re not looking for a government shutdown. And I think we’ll have some negotiations with short-term spending cuts in the interim is my guess.”
The level of those cuts in the short term is unspecified. Harry Reid responded to the CR passed by the House saying that Democrats “brought $41 billion in cuts to the table, nearly half of the House Republican proposal.” It sounds like he’s going with the artificial claim Republicans are using of a $100 billion cut below the President’s 2011 request. In real terms, that’s a $61 billion cut, so whatever Reid is talking about is probably closer to $25 billion. And I assume he’s referencing cuts to oil and gas subsidies and wasteful defense projects. None of this is really specific on either side, so you have to play detective.
We know that the House’s bill has little support in the Senate. Even Dick Lugar doesn’t support it. But most Republicans support that baseline figure of $61 billion in cuts, and now you have Reid talking about what I think is around $25 billion in cuts. So you can envision a solution somewhere in between there. As for a short-term CR, it’s impossible to know what Republicans would demand in a one-month spending bill. Would it be 1/7 of the cuts in their final bill (about $9 billion)? Less?
Nancy Pelosi’s short-term CR just froze everything at current levels. But we’re now basically talking about levels of cuts here, as for the most part this is all playing out on that side of the fence. Democrats and Republicans may not be able to get together on that final number, or on where those cuts are distributed. In fact, I’d say a shutdown is likely, although in recent days it’s the Republicans doing the movement, from “no short-term CR” to “a short-term CR with cuts in it.” But you don’t have to hear “we all agree there should be cuts” too many times to know that’s where we’re headed with this.




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Party like it’s 1937.
Even George Soros is throwing in the towel on Obama.
Well, hate to say it, and hate to see good people suffering, but let ‘em. Let them axe everything to hell. Let them cut, chop, slash and burn ‘er to the ground. It’s their funeral. Seriously. It’s their funeral. People will wake up when something bad affects them. Just as the unions have been asleep since at least the 80′s, so to are alot of Americans. Slash ‘er up Boner! Beat him to the cut, Nancy Harry and Obomba! Cut, cut, cut, cut. Then you’ll see your taxbase dry up completely and you’ll have a real nightmare that you won’t all be able to lie about. It’s quite obvious that none of them are listening to taxpayers anyway. About, anything. And if that doesn’t destroy the nation, these nitwits will all be voted back in anyway.
No, it’s our funeral. The top 2% will always come out OK, no matter how far the rest of the country sinks into second world status. They’ll still have Exeter and Harvard for Junior,
the summer place on the Vineyard, and an account in the Caymans.
I hate for it to be even thought about. I have too many friends that are relying on their UI benefits to live. However, I’m so tired of their threats, I wish they would go ahead and do it. Those people that have not been paying attention will be up in arms when the checks don’t come. Maybe then they will look at what is happening and exactly who shut the Government down.
Those idiots in Washington have no IDEA how hard it is for a family right now, nor what they have to do just to keep the lights on!
I say zero-base the entire budget and rebuild it from the ground up. There’s tons of waste in the federal spending and the only way to get rid of it is to start over. Right now, the pols on both sides are just trying to post a number that looks huge enough to let their side know they tried. But even $100 billion in cuts would be less than the impacts of inflation.
Come on, washington, grow a pair and really tackle this issue.
More like it’s 1929. Wall Street sentiment says “Buy anything”
I’m one of those “good people”. If Social Security checks are stopped or delayed, I’m up to my earlobes in late fees.
They know. They just don’t care. They are all rich or will be from their rich buddies. That is the disconnect in Washington, right there. They don’t give two sh*ts if you are hungry, or having to decide to pay your mortgage, your property taxes, or eat every day this week. They’ll dine on fine lobbyist food together in a bipartisan manner, laughing at the peasants.
Everyone seems confused.
Boehner gets a bill through the House and then goes on vacation?
Reid and some Dems think they can avoid significant cuts?
Does nobody think it’s a crisis?
We need some spending cuts to get beyond the crisis spending of ’09 & ’10. We need some cuts to roll back crazy stuff Dubya did (like doubling Defense spending in 8 years). We need some cuts because we don’t have the revenue we would’ve had if the Bush tax cuts on high incomes had been allowed to expire. We need some spending cuts because a $14 Trillion debt won’t go away overnight. We need some cuts and some tax increases as the president’s new budget has. And, gov’t need to get this done before going on vacation.
My guess is Boehner is planning to push Dems into accepting all their craziness by not being around to negotiate and redo and amend and so on. They want to (again) toss a bag of crap on the doorstep of the WH, ring the doorbell and run & hide. Stupid teenage stupidity if you ask me.
Obama should call them back until this is done properly.
Sorry TD. You aren’t alone. My point was, they aren’t going to listen anyway, so they might as well screw it up bigtime.
Don’t know about that. Previous “royalty” ended up not celebrating very well, when the citizens were pushed until they couldn’t be pushed any more. That day is coming. The writing is on the wall.
Hey moderator, do you have an issue with my post?
I mean, the canadianbeaver goes as far as to almost threaten the heads of our elected leaders and corporate heads, and that comment is ok?
The problem is Mark, that there are so many unemployed and underemployed, that the income revenue of gov’t has been drastically reduced. Slashing spending on even the military right now, takes even more money out of a struggling economy. They have really screwed this thing up badly. But there is a very easy fix. Where did all that money go in the last two years? Banks and Wall Street. Easy fix. Take it back.
Sorry for being a bloghog David. Going through my own bills this afternoon, and wondering how the hell I’m going to pay even half of them has made me kinda angry. I apologize for my actions.
Looks to me like the Koch whores are choosing to make their move now, before something happens to nullify Citizen’s United. I think they’ll try to take the WI union-busting strategy nationwide.
Oh well, leftist censorship at its best. I’ll stop by from time to time to see how this socialist knitting circle is doing, however. It’s always good to understand the delusions of the left – makes it easier to defeat you.
The 1995 shutdown forked the DC regional economy for about 1.5 quarters. With this shutdown one way or another it looks like The Villagers have thrown gasoline on themselves and just flicked their BIC lighter. Gotta laugh at their terrorist mentality.
I hope that isn’t what my post looked like. Merely pointing out what will happen if people have nothing to lose. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
Left? What’s a left? Is that a political term otherwise known as BS? Does that mean you are a right?
Sorry, You will NEVER defeat me.
You can pop in here and say whatever has been pointed for you to say, but you will never defeat me.
Obama is one of them.
When the shut down happens, will anybody be sending a bus near me that is going to Capitol Hill?
About all you will find is a Koch.
I’m with you on this. They say in Pearl Sq. Bahrain the people walked into the bullets again and again as they saw no future otherwise and had finally lost their fear of their own government.This is being repeated all over the Arab world. Maybe we have to reach a tipping point here.
I hope you do not think that anything I say is sarcastic, but I’m really trying to understand, and yes I have read Ayn Rand in the distant past. To my knowledge there has never been any time in history when any single individual has been totally self sufficient. In ancient times punishment for not following the rules sometimes included banishment from the tribe, which, in effect was a death sentence. Generally human beings have always been interdependent. Would you please explain to me how human beings can be totally independent and self sufficient?
Don’t apologize to this person. He’s just whining because nobody is paying him enough attention.
Wouldn’t it be hysterical for Progressives to ride a Koch bus to DC and then get off and protest against the ‘baggers?
Cuts will just further trash the economy.
That’s exactly why a lot of Wall Street types would love to see deep cuts. That’d really add some smash to their smash and grab operation.
This whole shutdown positioning is such crap. Then i think well how better to piss off people and get the people to react. Seniors in the streets demanding their SS checks. Then i remember the media.
“But you don’t have to hear “we all agree there should be cuts” too many times to know that’s where we’re headed with this.”
The Democrats are like a hockey team that spends most of the game playing behind its own blue line. Sooner or later the other team is going to score.
Wonder if the bros would send a plane to Anchorage? Hey i got years of experience talking redneck. I love some fun.
Galt was also not self sufficient. Galts gulch was all about people not placing their claim on others but instead working to improve themselves collectively.
Atlas shrugged told us that we cannot build ourselves up by tearing others down. It was about not pasting over our own failures by causing others to fail as well.
I’m sure the Kochs believe they could recruit some top drawer ‘baggers up there.
Okay everybody, time to drain your keyboards.
Sounds like a bunch of communists to me.
Shutting down the government is the exact opposite of governing. Elected Democrats and Republicans in Washington are not interested in governing. They are only there to steal and take bribes.
Democrats and Republicans have ruined the country. A person would have to be extremely stupid to support and vote for Democrats or Republicans. If you don’t do anything else – at LEAST boycott the legacy parties.
The current crop of criminals on both sides of government are only doing harm. Shut it all down, fire all of them, and replace them with humans.
How so? Actually the very opposite.
Geez, I hope I get my monthly SS check. I promised my 15 year old I’d get his guitar out of the repair shop. Think I’m gonna have to learn how to rewire Stratocasters.
And legacy candidates. Your father or grandfather held your seat? Fuck you, give someone who knows what it feels like to eat mayonnaise sandwiches a chance.
Teddy Partridge is upstairs!
Sunday Late Night: Questions for Senator Jeff Merkley?
you had mayo? you rich f–k!
Randroids and Communists are, IMHO, Utopians. Hence the similarity.
Ron Paul is a Jeffersonian. I respect them both. Rand? Not so much. That’s more of an Alan Greenspan thing.
Ron Paul is not a Jeffersonian. Jefferson founded the first public University. Public universities are anathema to Liebertarians. And Rancid Paul, he has no problems with stores posting “No Jews Allowed” in their windows.
Yes Soros is throwing in the towel, because Obama is what? He blows with the wind, he is a political opportunist. He’s not a Democrat, he’s undermined every Democratic initiative Pelosi has tried to get done, so what is he? A DINO, I think, but really he’s not anything at all except a marketing phenomena. The Democratic leadership picked him because he was black and well spoken, what a criteria for a leader…he has no leadership skills, he’s in the pocket of Wall Street, he despises middle class people and working class people because he is a member of the ruling class elite who think only they are human beings,the rest of us don’t matter. He is good friends with Jamie Dimon, one of the architects of the global financial meltdown…he is bought and paid for by our financial elite. The people have no representative in Washington.
Relax, it’s all theater. These baboons in Washington don’t want to do anything real about anything. They just make a lot of noise to fool their supporters. The news media feeds into this, creating drama out of anything, just to get our attention. Heaven forbid they should report real news happening in the world, like the revolution sweeping the Middle East. Or the revolution in the making here in Wisconsin. Our so-called representatives are only interested in staying in office so they can rob us and get rich and enjoy the benefits they are determined to deny us. What they are most interested in doing is preserving the status quo that works so well for them.
Party like it’s 1936. Spain. A las barricadas! Except, this time we win!