MADISON, WI (FDL) – In the Capitol Rotunda, virtually everyone is talking about the release of the prank phone call from “David Koch” to Scott Walker. “I love when people get tripped up by their own words,” said one protester, a former Wisconsinite who drove down from Minneapolis to be at the Capitol. An older man leading the morning protests explained the one part of the call getting much of the attention, where Walker said he “thought about” bringing in troublemakers to mingle among the protesters. He called it an attack on peacable assembly and called for Walker to resign. That chant got a lot of traction. And many were amused by the fact that the caller, Ian Murphy of Buffalo Beast, considered calling in as Hosni Mubarak.
The “troublemakers” bit has received a lot of attention from local officials and local law enforcement. The Madison police chief said he was troubled by that:
(Madison Police Chief Noble) Wray said he was disturbed that Walker thought about planting troublemakers among peaceful protesters.
“I would like to hear more of an explanation from Governor Walker as to what exactly was being considered, and to what degree it was discussed by his cabinet members. I find it very unsettling and troubling that anyone would consider creating safety risks for our citizens and law enforcement officers,” the chief said.
“Our department works hard dialoging with those who are exercising their First Amendment right, those from both sides of the issue, to make sure we are doing everything we can to ensure they can demonstrate safely. I am concerned that anyone would try to undermine these relationships. I have a responsibility to the community, and to the men and women of this department – who are working long hours protecting and serving this community – to find out more about what was being considered by state leaders.”
The Mayor of Madison, Dave Cieslewicz, also called this “very upsetting… On its face, it appears that he seriously entertained the option of actually creating a more tense situation, and that would be very significant if that were the case.” I have a call in to the Dane County Sheriff about it as well. Local law enforcement, including those who have come in from out of town to work at the Capitol, have been unfailingly nice, and supportive of the peaceful protests. Setting up the possibility of a situation with outside entities coming in to foment unrest has really rankled them.
A former state Attorney General, Peg Lautenschlager (D), has gone a step further, seeing actual ethics and labor law violations in the conversation.
When Gov. Scott Walker discussed strategies to lay off state employees for political purposes, to coordinate supposedly “independent” political expenditures to aid legislators who support his budget repair bill, and to place agent provocateurs on the streets of Madison in order to disrupt peaceful demonstrations, he engaged in what a former attorney general of Wisconsin says could turn out to be serious ethics, election law and labor violations [...]
“I think that the ethics violations are something the (state) Government Accountability Board should look into because they are considerable. He is on tape talking with someone who he thinks is the funder of an independent political action committee to purchase advertising to benefit Republican legislators who are nervous about taking votes on legislation he sees as critical to his political success.”
Lautenschlager, a former legislator who has known Walker for many years and who has worked with many of the unions involved in the current dispute, says: “One of the things I find most problematic in all of this is the governor’s casual talk about using outside troublemakers to stir up trouble on the streets, and the fact that he only dismissed the idea because it might cause a political problem for him.” [...]
“I think there’s a serious issue there,” Lautenschlager explained. “That’s a public safety issue. And I think that is really troublesome: a governor with an obligation to maintain public safety says he’s going to plant people to make trouble. That screams out to me. For a governor even to consider a strategy that could unnecessarily threaten the safety of peaceful demonstrators — which the governor acknowledged he did — is something that simply amazes me.”
Lautenschlager also looked to the parallel Walker made with Ronald Reagan firing the air traffic controllers as potentially “signaling a willingness to commit an unfair labor practice violation by refusing to negotiate.” And, the part where Walker agrees to visit Koch in California after this situation resolves itself could be an acceptance of a gift, which could warrant an ethics investigation.
This call brings up a host of questions, and as I’ve said it has had a real impact on public opinion in the state.




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Planting troublemakers? What could possibly go wrong with that?!
Particularly when you consider all the outside agitators pouring into the state to wreak havoc. (A veteran of the old Civil Rights movement in the Deep South, I do know about ‘em “outside agitators”.)
Me Think the Police want to speak with Gov. Walker
Gov. Walker clearly puts his agenda ahead of his citizens safety.
Is that a screwed pooch I see over in Governor Walker’s office?
David, where can I find you? I arrive in Madison tomorrow and am hoping to hook up with other activists and document, participate and contribute in any way I can.
maybe the local prosecutor can get those elected thugs in front of a grand jury to discuss conspiracy to create a public disturbance.
In September Gov. Dropout’s deputy communications director, Michael Brickman surreptitiously recorded a union guy in a bar. Union plan not lost on Walker aide Talkative labor official divulges strategy, unaware he’s being taped
DDay, just fyi, Peg Lautenschalager has several DUI’s, but as a former state AG, she’s got the heft we need.
The Walker tape reminds me of the “kiss” float that Ned used to beat JoLie in the 2008 Dem primary.
right alongside the jumped shark.
I’m old enough to remember when crossing state lines to incite a riot would get you in trouble.
Would this by any chance apply to Tim Phillips and Andrew Breitbart?
Sometimes it works & sometimes it doesn’t.
NYC pigs don’t even need to plant troublemakers to savage demostraters or fire countless bullets into innocents, without fear of conviction, or trash peaceful bicycle riders and stomp on their camera phones.
Just a normal part of pushing the Overton window to the right. There will come a time when govt plants of provokateurs will be yawned at. Pretty much there already.
I wonder if they were the planted trouble makers Walker was thinking of hiring? What kind of trouble makers was he thinking of hiring? Violent skin heads, gun toting Mubarak style thugs, Acorn Pimp style fakers with film?
OT – but tangential: O’Donnel on Last Word just snagged that “comfortable shoes” video over on the Mike thread.
Hmmm. Producers read this blog and twitter, foshizzle.
Most likely guys from Buffalo to send bogus Tweets.
Just thinking the same thing. It’s shocking that the rabble rousers from the outside might have had a compatriot in the governor’s mansion.
Major kudos to Ian Murphy for hitting all the hot buttons during his improvised call, and for being able to contain his shock at having found such a gullible victim.
F’ing bogus tweets. I was had just this morning. *grumble*
Could Walker be the catalyst that finally shows the American people what’s going on in this country? I don’t know but something tells me his political career is over.
Saw Murphy on LoD last night. LoD asked him to compare Walker to Rayguns. Murphy said something like, “They are both alike, completely nuts.”
More OT/tangential. I thought Carney’s comments clearly came down on the side of Walker and the GOP governors.
I was in Washington the weekend after the Kent State shootings. Groups from various universities were there holding seminars, instructing folks on how to look out for agents provocateurs which Nixon was known to use. I sat in on a seminar with folks from Cornell.
Are we completely insane for even thinking it is possible to get semi honest liberals elected to office?
This is fun! I can’t wait to follow the fallout of this prank call. Let’s hope the Dems don’t blow this gift.
Isn’t it time for some faux Republican emergency to distract the public from all of this? Time for another oil spill? Maybe we’ll have to attack North Korea for some reason. There must be something the Koch brothers can pull out of their ass to distract the masses.
I asked this in another thread but got no response. If anyone with appropriate legal experience could comment, I would greatly appreciate it.
My understanding is that the Republicans in the Wisconsin legislature have enough votes to pass non-fiscal bills but not enough to pass fiscally-related legislation. Rather than address the right of public union employees to collectively bargain, could they pass legislation that instead limits the Legislature’s governing power during negotiations? Something along the lines of:
“The Wisconsin Legislature shall not have the power or authority to negotiate [fill in the legally appropriate term that includes pensions] in contracts.”
The result being that while the Teacher’s Union, for example, could still collectively bargain for pensions, there would be no one with the ability to give in to this demand – effectively removing that option from the Union.
My understanding is that the attendance rule comes from the Wisconsin Constitution:
“Vote on fiscal bills; quorum. Section 8. On the passage in either house of the legislature of any law which imposes, continues or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state, the question shall be taken by yeas and nays, which shall be duly entered on the journal; and three-fifths of all the members elected to such house shall in all such cases be required to constitute a quorum therein.”
I don’t see how this would impose, continue or renew a tax. It would not make, continue or renew an appropriation of public or trust money. Would it release, discharge or commute a claim or demand of the state? If existing pensions were honored, I don’t see how it would. The wording may limit their ability to give themselves or say, police and fire, their pensions though.
Leaving aside the rightness or wrongness of their position, does anyone have any insight as to whether those still attending the Wisconsin legislature could get what they want in this way without all of this drama?
Interesting. How do you recognize an agent provacateur? Similar to the way we recognize a troll on blogs?
So…what did the hired troublemakers do back in the day? I’m sure it will seem quaint by today’s standards.
OT– The level of propaganda programs in which central governments are engaged to cover up illegal activities are considered by some to meet or even exceed those of the McCarthy era. I think Glenn Greenwald’s interview in today’s “Keiser Report: Fox News Boo Fail (E124)” ( you can see it at http://maxkeiser.com ) is excellent and very thorough.
They scream stuff like ‘Down with the pigs!’ and ‘Acid is groovy!’ And they try to get you to help them make molotov cocktails.
Both nuts? Not a good sign. That would mean Walker has a bright future with his party.
LOL!
They made some good points. An agent would be one who is would be a bit overly enthusiastic . The most obvious flag was someone who wouldn’t take a toke on a reefer. If anyone was suspected of being an agent, offering a hit on a joint was the best test.
Yup. Over-the-top enthusiasm was the flag.
Isn’t that some kind of breach of fiduciary duty..acting against the interests of your constituents who have “trust” in you to represent and protect them? This clown needs to be removed from office…impeached or whatever legal means there is to do it. Recall seems too far away. A loose canon like that idiot can wreak an awful lot of havoc. He needs to hit the road pronto.
…and they pretty much looked like Scott Walker. :)
They accomplished nothing really except to irritate the peaceful protesters and get a few folks busted for bogus infractions.
Funny.
They wore the latest in tie-dye fashions, but their threads somehow didn’t go with their CIA haircuts.
Maybe Chicago? They are “agitators”.
There were some of those at the anti war rally in Austin in 2003 but they were so over the top and clownish, Ben and I debated on whether it was actually street theater.
They didn’t know what “threads” meant.
Indeed. Chicago was ugly. Remember this?
Walter: “I think we’ve got a bunch of thugs here, Dan.”
Not looging in much lately but once again, FDL with great coverage of an event the msm is fucking up and just can’t be trsuted with. Stellar work David.
Such collusion and conspiracy on the part of the state’s chief executive, potentially endangering public safety and the safety of peace officers, violates the oath of office, no? And perhaps should be grounds for impeachment, eh wot?
(I know, impeachments are political trials, and the Republicans control both houses. But still…seems more sinister than lying about a b/j.)
Walker is the real article. An honest to God fascist. I won’t use the word Nazi only because of its anti-Semitic connotations. But he is the real home-grown article. We talk alot about this, but apart from the masturbators who listen to Beck and Limbaugh, there aren’t that many real ones in public office. He is the real article.
Perhaps a bit of a sidebar: What is it with Republicans, anyway? Holy Mother of God, they seem less a political party than a state of mind. I hope there is NO ‘bipartisanship’ whatsoever under the circumstances. (I’m talkin’ to you, BO.)
We must have been in the same cell.
Condemnation of Gov Walker is a given. What a dick.
Great praise for Madison Police Chief Wray:
That’s the way it should be done everywhere. Too bad it isn’t.
Across the Delaware River in New Jersey I see another one.
It is a small world.
Then there’s Rick Scott in Florida.
The Ten Types of Republicans
Rick Scott is definitely is up there with Walker and Christie.
Breaking – the deceived are starting to wake up:
Mother Jones tweets: Whoa, this got 2 mil hits. Which is crazy considering that it has nothing to do with @JustinBieber
This (for some reason twitter doesn’t let you Ctl + C copy the short url) is the Mother Jones charts on inequality here
Two million hits!!
Kewl.
Mr. Frat with his Fox News and Coors beer takes the cake.
Political slogans:
I just finished listening to the entire prank phone call and I really doubt that anything significant will come of it. I recommend listening to the exchange before fantasizing about possible outcomes.
Murphy (Koch) asked if there were anything he could do to help and Walker said things were pretty much in hand – though some encouragement for Republican lawmakers might be helpful. Murphy then seems to shock Walker with his off-the-wall troublemaker recommendation. Prior to that, the call flowed smoothly and when Murphy makes his recommendation, I thought my speakers had cut out due to the silence. Walker then stammers out a long, rambling search for something to say that I would describe as “trying hard not to p*** off a powerful donor while explaining that his idea is nuts.”
Murphy pretending to be Koch: What we were thinking about the crowds was, *uh*, was planting some troublemakers.
[long pause]
Walker: You know the *sigh* well, the only problem with the *uh* – cause we thought about that – the problem with *er* *uh* – my only *er* gut reaction to that would be *uh* right now the, the, *uh* and the lawmakers I’ve talked to h- and just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this. The teacher’s union did some polling in focus groups I think and found out that the public turned on them the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we got left are largely from out of state and I keep dismissing it in all my press conferences saying, “yeah they’re mostly from out of state.” My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking, “maybe the governor’s got to settle to avoid all these problems.” You know, whereas I’m saying, “Hey, you know, we can handle this, people can protest, this is Madison, you know, full of the 60′s Liberals – let ‘em protest. It’s not gonna affect us and as long as we go back to our homes and the majority of people are telling us we’re doing the right thing, let ‘em protest all they want.” *Um* so th-that’s my gut reaction is that I-I think it’s actually good if they’re constant they’re noisy but they’re quiet nothing happens because sooner or later the media stops finding them interesting.
More evidence of fascism: A labor journalist was denied admission to Walker’s press conference – because he’s a labor journalist. See @MikeElk.
In fact, at the beginning of this Walker #FAIL, my first thought was the big deal was that he was presentng this as a fiat, one-sided – w/o negotiation. And as stubborn as he is, that really seems to be his mindset, no compromise whatever.
And btw, someone somewhere described Walker as “dead-eyed.” That struck me, too, watching him on tape from his presser the other day.
Nothing will come of it for a whole variety of reasons, paramount among which are that corp media knows they are expected to ignore it.
Something’s already coming of this fight in WI. Walker has revealed himself to be as moronic as he is stubborn. He looks ridiculous. If the situation he’s created weren’t so serious, he could be mistaken for a circus clown.
I think that ship has sailed – something is coming of it. Walker’s approval has dropped like a stone, his R legislators are considering compromise, the Dems haven’t come home, and even the MSM is now talking about the story.
I think this might really have legs.
eCAHNomics – even if the media wanted to blow this up into something bigger (as some bloggers have attempted), there’s just not much in this exchange. There may be OTHER issues (like, why is he taking 20 minutes to talk to Koch about the protests in the first place?) but this exchange brings very little that’s “new” to the table.
Knoxville – I don’t see it that way. If everyone in Wisconsin held your value system, it would be easy to condemn Walker. The reality is that there is not one unified value system in Wisconsin… some people honestly and fervently support the public unions while others equally honestly and fervently oppose them. And both sides are – equally – the “owners” of the state.
That’s the problem with partisan politics; it tends to disenfranchise roughly half of the public. Too many people (on both sides, on too many issues) see the other side as someone to defeat rather than as a partner (someone who has a legitimate, equal claim to society) to work with.
Terrorism – the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Walker admits to considering placing trouble makers among the political protesters. Isn’t this terrorism?
Oh, that’s right, a white Christian can not be a terrorist.
I strongly disagree
the pranked phone call proved that progressives have been right from day 1.
Obama “the trojan horse, and the other phoney dems, always want to work with the GOP, Obama never reaches out to Progressives, he like to sit down and drink tea with GOPers. (this is how we got the Obama/Bush tax cuts)
Gov. Walker Pranked call and other actions proved our point, no real democrat would ever talk to people like Walker, Palin, they are not rational and nothing worth while is going to happen. Do you think FDR would have reached across the aisle to consult with the GOP? No (Progressives gave the DEMS DC in 2008, and what did we get?
1. more war
2. bush tax
3. an a GOP health care Bill)
the other great thing about this Prank, is how many GOP Gov are going to answer the phone when one of the Koch brothers call? not many now :)
Gov. Walker also woke up a lot of progressive who were sitting on the side line, now they are in the fight.
FDL has been yelling for years the Middle Class is under attack, Walker actions brought that point home to a lot of people Wisconsin.
My impression of the conversation was similar. Walker seemed taken aback by the troublemaker comment and it took a moment for him to recover with an answer. Nevertheless, Walker went on to say that injecting troublemakers had been discussed. That alone is damning.
Concern troll. Move on.
Although the prank call should be nominated for a major award, the text really doesn’t amount to much. Almost everyone whom has commented here would probably label Mr. Koch as a right wing kook. So if you are a governor talking to a billionaire ring wing kook and he says something nutty, the governor wouldn’t say “that was nutty”. The governor would say “we though about that, but I think we will pass for now”. As for LEO’s being upset, they are union too.
Exactly. Walker has brought bs to light and upset a lot of people.
He’s also proven beyond a reasonable doubt over the last few weeks that he’s a moron.
It pains me to bring math into this, but here goes. We are in a global economy and the “constant”, if you will, is that real people in several Asia countries will make a pair of brand name shoes for a buck-fifty an hour. Not even Matt Damon chalking in the halls of Harvard can plug “union wage” into this formula and come up with a positive number. The unstoppable globalization can be blamed on several leaders going back to WW II. Blamed for the pace of advancement only. It was coming one way or another.
How now do we live?
Protectionism, simply put. Try exporting manufactured product from the US to the PRC and see what kind of tariff/duty gets slapped on before it reaches the Chinese market. Just do the same thing all our trading partners do, add taxes, duties, tariffs and barriers until the math works. Our FTAs can be abrogated or renegotiated essentially at will. One advantage of having a huge trade deficit is that other countries with huge trade surpluses with us have almost no leverage to bargain with. They can like it or they can lump it. They obviously have far more to lose.
This is so fucking delicious.
And the reason the Very Serious Professional Journalists are not focused like a laser on this is because in one 20-minute phone call, the Buffalo Beast told an entire state – and country, for that matter – more than the entire press corps did during an entire election campaign and every single one of his press conferences.
Walker is the modern day Machiavellian Prince. From Wiki: “the hereditary prince must carefully maintain the socio-political institutions to which the people are accustomed; whereas a new prince has the more difficult task in ruling, since he must first stabilize his new-found power in order to build an enduring political structure. That requires the prince being concerned with reputation but also being willing to act immorally. As a political scientist, Machiavelli emphasises the occasional need for the methodical exercise of brute force, deceit, and so on.”
Perhaps this is why the prank call goes so far in undermining one source of Walker’s modern day political authority (his so called “reputation”). He’s already shown his willingness to use brute force, and act immorally.
Machiavelli would laugh at Walker’s predicament, such is his manifest administrative incompetence.
machiavelli would probably send walker his cv. dude clearly needs some competent assistance, since he’s unable to manage on his own.