A bit more on the fast-moving story in the Capitol Building in Madison, Wisconsin:
• Clearly Scott Walker and the Capitol police are trying to deprive protesters of having access to the building. Both Defending Wisconsin and a coalition of labor unions have filed lawsuits and other enforcement actions. Defending Wisconsin went to US District Court to try to pry open the Capitol. Labor is separately filing for a temporary restraining order (TRO).
• Meanwhile, Capitol Police staff are welding the windows shut. The lack of access to the Capitol means that food and supplies cannot be sent in to those who remain. People inside can leave the Capitol building but not return, at least for the moment. So people had been passing food and other supplies through the windows. So according to multiple witnesses, the windows are being welded shut to break down the supply line. UPDATE on this: I’m hearing that a window latch simply needed repair, and that a women’s room latch was always screwed shut. So this may not be quite so nefarious.
UPDATE to the UPDATE: Not being there right now, I don’t know what to believe. But you should check out Eric Ming’s pics. There does appear to be some bolting of windows, but it’s hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Attorneys for labor unions are collecting affidavits on this, as well as the illegal denial of access into a public building, which under the Wisconsin state constitution is prohibited. The victory of last night is turning into a very bitter one indeed.
• These are the type of things going on out there:
A cancer patient needing a colostomy bag change — a medical emergency — was denied access to the Capitol building holding the patient’s medication due to a surprise lockdown that has lasted for hours past the scheduled and well-publicized 8:00 AM doors-open time Monday morning.
This patient was kept outside for 80 minutes in the cold while Walker flexed his political muscle and ordered DOA to close the Capitol during normally-open daytime business hours in order to gradually muffle the overwhelming dissent of his proposed legislation, which denies health care to many of our most vulnerable citizens, including many children, and strips unionized workers of collective bargaining rights for which people have fought and died for decades.
• Meanwhile, the Senate Republicans have stepped up their pressure to try to get the Democrats to return. Now the Senate Majority Leader is basically holding their staff hostage:
Madison — Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald is clamping down on absent Democrats by seeking to take control of whether or not their staffers get paid.
Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) would have to review and approve timesheets for Democratic staffers, under a proposal put before a legislative committee Monday morning. Previously, Democratic lawmakers had signed off on their staff’s hours.
I’ve heard also that Fitzgerald may just fire the staffers after getting control of their pay.
Senate Republicans are also alarmed by their colleague Dale Schultz’ private indications that he would vote against the bill. Greg Sargent reports that Schultz could be drummed out of the GOP caucus as a result:
I’m told that some Republicans in the state senate were so angry at fellow Republican senator Dale Schultz for proposing a modest compromise with unions and senate Dems that they actually threatened at a private meeting to kick him out of the state senate GOP caucus.
This comes to me by way of a source close to the situation. While the idea didn’t go anywhere, and it didn’t appear to have the support of Wisconsin GOP leaders, it shows how high tensions are running among Wisconsin Republicans who are under heavy pressure from unions, Dems and mass demonstrations to break with Walker.
What’s going on in Wisconsin right now by the state Republicans is pretty unconscionable, when you add it all up. They’re using some serious strong-arm tactics to break the protesters and the Senate Dems.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama managed to make an oblique, measured reference to the situation in Wisconsin, once again:
“Those of you in this room are on the front lines of this budget challenge. As the Recovery Act funds that saw you through the last two years are phasing out – and it’s undeniable that the Recovery Act helped every single state represented in this room manage through the recession – you face some very tough choices on everything from schools to prisons to pensions. I also know many of you are making decisions regarding your public workforce, and I know how difficult that can be. Freezing the salaries of federal employees for two years isn’t something I wanted to do, but I did it because of the very tough fiscal situation we’re in. Everyone should be prepared to give up something in order to solve our budget challenges, and I think most public servants agree with that. In fact, many public employees have already agreed to cuts in several of your states.
“But let me also say this: it does no one any good when public employees are denigrated or vilified or their rights are infringed upon. We need to attract the best and the brightest to public service. These are times that demand it. We’re not going to attract the best teachers for our kids, for example, if they only make a fraction of what other professionals make. We’re not going to convince the bravest Americans to put their lives on the line as police officers or firefighters if we don’t properly reward that bravery. So yes, we need a conversation about pensions and Medicare and Medicaid and other promises we’ve made as a nation. But as we make decisions about our budgets going forward, I believe everyone should be at the table, and the concept of shared sacrifice should prevail. If all the pain is borne by one group – whether it’s workers, or seniors, or the poor – while the wealthiest among us keep getting tax cuts, we’re not doing the right thing. I think that’s something Republicans and Democrats should be able to agree on.”
I don’t know that I disagree with Rich Trumka that the national leaders should just stay out of this. It’s a grassroots fight. They’re much better than the national Dems at this point.
UPDATE: Defend Wisconsin reports that there are now metal detectors (that’s brand new) for access into the building, and bags are being searched. People are being let in via one entrance with three lines: one for constituents with appointments, one for protesters, and one for public hearings. Some Assembly Democrats are making appointments with people to help them obtain access.



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I suspect that this will backfire spectacularly all across the state. I will be very surprised if Walker remains Governor for the remainder of the year.
David, thank you for your tireless reporting on this situation. Are you inside the capital building?
phred:
In that case, he’ll have to resign. Otherwise, he’ll be Governor until between January and March of next year.
Some body send Barely a pair of shoes.
How so, Phil? Do you know the process for Wisconsin?
We’re having an education fight here and there’s a recall up for the Education Secretary EXCEPT it can’t be started until the 91st day of his tenure as Ed Sec.
I’ve read in a couple of places over the past two weeks that recall of a WI Governor can’t happen until the 1st day of the 2nd year of their term.
Exactly. Walker is on the precipice of taking the entire WI GOP down with him. Teabaggers remain a small fraction of the traditional GOP. At some point, I expect cooler conservative heads will prevail and they will follow in the footsteps of their forebears who once walked into the White House to tell Nixon the time had come to resign. JMO, but we shall see…
Edited to note that this was a reply to PhilP at #3.
Rcall cannot occur until after the 1st year in office.
That being said, because of staggered terms, 1/2 of the Senate is potentially subject to recall now.
BTW, I just love how Barack-in-Chief, Mr. “I will march with them,” is just making oblique comments.
pathetic
A “comfortable” pair of shoes. I’m sure the only reason O isn’t in the Capitol of WI is because all of his shoes pinch.
There are 8 Republican Senators who can be recalled right now.
PhilP is correct in that the Imperial Walker cannot be recalled until he has served a year (next January; amazing how fast he turned his administration into a train wreck).
I think if the Senate recalls make headway, along with the fact one R Senator (who is not among the 8) has already flipped, that the chances of a Republican insurrection leading to Scotty’s resignation becomes an increasingly likely event.
Yup. He can’t be recalled until mid-January of next year. However, the Wisconsin Supreme Court could be moved from its current 4-3 GOP majority as early as next month, when the Republican Chief Justice David Prosser is up for re-election; he’s facing JoAnne Kloppenberg, assistant AG, on April 5.
And of course, there are eight Republican state senators who can be recalled at any time.
Tweets have been written about windows being welded shut at Capitol. I asked for docs of this to tweeters. Glad to see that it was false. Too bad some tweeters like to spin things in the wrong direction.
We must not be paying the president enough.
Yup.
In a way, I almost don’t want Obama to get too involved here. The national Dems have too much of a rep as capitulationists.
Any news on whether or not this is underway? I can’t find anything on the google.
False? How so?
Nah, that can’t be… He’s a public servant and we all know that public servants are way overpaid ; )
Ah, just saw the update. Yeah, welding the windows shut would be one hell of a fire code violation. But let’s see if they’re still trying to stop people from getting food.
Yep. The contrast between the WI 14 and the national Dems could not be more stark. Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office to hear what the WH really thinks about the Dem Senators of WI? ; )
WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION Article 1
Right to assemble and petition. SECTION 4. The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.
This is all about hoding down the number of folks in the building when Walker gives his speech on the regular 2 year budget, Tuesday afternoon.all indications are it’ll be more painful than the heretofore patch on the current budget.
Here is a poll that just came out to show the shifting support of Republicans in WI away from Walker.
Beat me to it!
RECALL! RECALL! RECALL!
Badger Staters tell me Imperial Walker can’t be recalled until he has been in office one year, which means they must wait until January 2012. Boy, it didn’t take long for him to p*ss off a whole lot of people! Wisconsin folks, we are in support of your efforts to retain your workers’ rights! Don’t back down!
I have just been told by the fire Marshalls office that this involves only the first floor windows to secure them. She seemed to think this was not an act of intimidation by the Gov.
I have some experience in disability issues and expressed concern for the needs of those with medical conditions to have access to their medical supplies they have brought with them to maintain and treat themselves. And mentioned the person prevented access to their ostomy supplies/meds. I mentioned ADA law and possible violations to say nothing of the endangerment to others who may have diabetes, asthma or other chronic conditions requiring meds and medical supplies.
I agree. In most ways, I’m totally disgusted but unsurprised at Obama’s lack of real support for the workers of WI (and everywhere). OTOH, Obama capitulates before anyone even hints at slight compromises, so I’m thinking that it’s best for all concerned that Obama stay far away and leave the battle to the workers and the unions, who appear to have a spine and be willing to dig in their heels. Good for them!
Well done!
This is a hostage-taking incident. Pure and simple. They are holding the sick people hostage to get the Dems to return. Criminal!
Well, I’d say don’t put off to tomorrow what you can do today, Cheese Heads!
This is a state issue and Obama is correct to stay out of it. He is giving some verbal support at this point, but if he were to step in it would backfire. He doesn’t have any instruments here to work with. The instruments are in the hands of the demonstrators, and they are wielding them effectively. This is community action, and should stay that way. What Obama might do is to get this into the public limelight, but I doubt even he can pierce the MSM iron curtain.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/105000829.html
There were 9 Repubs and 6 Dems elected to the state Senate in November, 2010. Why can’t all of the remaining 10 Repubs and 8 Dems be recalled now?
If the reports turn out to be true about the windows being bolted shut, somebody needs to find out which company insures the Capitol Building and contact them.
Citizen phred:
He’s there until January 2nd, 2012 but it isn’t clear how long the fascist caucus in the Senate will hold up. There are no winners in this as far as immediate economic justice for public workers in this state but I’m convinced that one of the biggest winners is gunna be Russ Feingold and Progrssives United. IMO Feingold will win the recall election next January and there will be a new grassroots Democratic Party or new “Progressive Party that holds the balance in Wisconsin politics goin forward.
Citizen Norske:
Read the rest of the thread, people misunderstood my meaning in #1. Mea culpa ; )
Citizen gvadergrift:
Because those senators elected this last election get until January of 2012 before they can be recalled. The Assembly folks can be recalled immmediately but they only sit for 2 years anyway. Walker will be recalled next January and right now my guess is that Russ Feingold will be Governor. Look at how Minnesota is workin with a Democrat in that statehouse and fascist majorites in the legislature…the Governor is workin’ the fascists over and most of the local school districts are workin with their unions to solve their short term budget problems without layoff of tenured people. Feingold would kick these crypto-Nazi asses all the way to California.
Waited outside for almost two hours, left feeling cold, hungry and despondent and in desperate need of a restroom. Please tell me the people have been allowed inside.
Oh please don’t bring them here!
Citizen Knut:
You are correct…and Obama is playin this so he doesn’t get hit by trucks goin’ both ways…that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t put a knife in the back of the people in Wisconsin becasue he’s got the children of Ricard Daley runnin our White House but he’s not gunna determine the outcome of this thing and he will be dealin’ with a very different and motivated electorate in 2012.
With the national support gaining for the plight of unions in WI and elsewhere, I’m beginning to think someone should primary Obama.
I haven’t heard that there has been any progress getting inside, but as for restrooms, the Madison Public Library might be worth a try. They are located at 201 W. Mifflin St. (across the street from the Overture Center) within walking distance of the Capitol.
Hey Norski we got enough fucking WingNut Crazies here already we don’t need your discards…
But sure do Hope the Walker is recalled and replaced by Feingold and all the other Pukes along with him…
Citizens Unite!! This is War just without guns we hope!! And we cannot afford to loose this one…
That’s some really chicken-shit stuff…
Oooh, this is a gem.
Hey Sen. Fitzgerald: Verify this.
PPP polling showing Walker is in trouble in a hypothetical rematch with Barrett:
From a tweet?
That’s kind of been debunked.
Citizen KrisAinCA:
That can happen by just runnin’ “favorite son” candidacies in the primaries of each state ObamaRahma needs for the nomination and election…then there is no need to spend money on candiates for President and instead organize the state parties to elect progressive Senators and Representatives, then we take the power of our politics away from the president and put it in the hands of a larger base.
If it has been debunked … the information debunking it should be easily available. Got a link?
Obama: Everyone has to come to the table and make sacrifices…
Unless you’re in the top 20%…then you can play on the white houses x box 360 and ps3 while we ram it up the poor peoples asshole…have fun guys, try not to beat my record on xxx.
Barry…Fuck you. Fuck you you corporatist prick. Fuck your shit eating grin and fuck your pandering to the veal pen. Fuck you you smirking c**t.
I agree with radical right wing republicans…you’re the mother****ing bringer of the end of days…not because of religious prophesy, mayans, nostradumbass or Jaysus. You are the living embodiment of not only everything that is wrong with the ruling caste, the managerial caste, the business caste, not just that…you Buck Ofama are the living personification of what is wrong with the human race.
Take your shit eating grin and your pravda spokespeople and shove it straight up your corporate personhood.
It would be better to have the pacific as a destination. It’s very cold at this time of year.
Google.
Metal detectors? I thought Republicans *wanted* everybody to carry a gun.
Only when the people that the gun owners are going to use it on are liberals.
~~~Mod Note: Let’s not go any further down this road~~~
How about a link for that information rather than just “Google” at the top of the page.
That’s not a link, that’s a screed. There is a difference you see.
Heh, if 5 para’s isn’t enough for your google, then I doubt you have the skilz needed to work the link.
Probably not on the approved reading list, but try http://nlt.ashbrook.org/2011/02/collective-bargaining-and-school-performance.php
Hi mar.
Don’t dispute it unless you can refrute it.
: – )
You are muddying the waters. The assembly members can’t be recalled until they’ve served a year.
Why can’t every legislator not elected in November 2010 be recalled immediately? I am assuming all assembly members were elected in Nov 2010. There are 18 senators not elected in Nov 2010. They must have been elected earlier. When? 2008? That would make them subject to recall immediately. Were there special elections? When? There is a provision for special elections to fill vacancies.
Article 13 Section 12 of Wisconsin constitution
Recall of elective officers. SECTION 12. [As created Nov.
1926 and amended April 1981] The qualified electors of the
state, of any congressional, judicial or legislative district or of
any county may petition for the recall of any incumbent elective
officer after the first year of the term for which the incumbent
was elected, by filing a petition with the filing officer with whom
the nomination petition to the office in the primary is filed,
demanding the recall of the incumbent.
Article 4 Section 14
Filling vacancies. SECTION 14. The governor shall issue
writs of election to fill such vacancies as may occur in either
house of the legislature.
And alan1tx also conveniently ignores the second post where Angus Johnston (the author) goes on to state that despite the bad data, the premise is essentially accurate. Fail.
Here’s the link address. Check out the next day’s post as well.
http://studentactivism.net/2011/02/20/sat-act-unions/
He doesn’t really refute the lower scoring of the five states in question though does he, that is, SC, NC, GA, TX, & VA.
And the article he links to buttress his arguments does on fact concede that the lower states do score far lower on the ACT than Wisconsin.
But then Texas is one of those states isn’t it?
It’s shocking to learn that a Republican governor would violate his state’s constitution like that.
/sarcasm
I didn’t ignore it, I just didn’t know about it.
And it says:
Thanks dak, and I’m not beint boastful about TX.
Then you didn’t read all the way down the link where it is pointed out that Texas and the others really don’ have much to brag about on their scores.
That is, your original link may be correct that WI may not be as high as was said.
But Texas and the others ARE scoring far lower in both SAT and ACT taken individually, ratehr than grouped together
Google does not actually provide content. Who’s your source? I notice a decided lack of links, and the “debunking” excerpt is somewhat unconvincing. I’m guessing Michelle Malkin?
Ok, but you didn’t follow the link in the article you quoted to find the source? Dude, dig a bit. But again, you ignore the follow-up post.
Wait a minnit. Am I violating rule 14 here? Blow this for a game of soldiers.
Agreed.
Original post at 48 was that the “tweet” was a twit.
Tx vs. Wi? I’ll give you WI. Because of unions, I don’t know, but the tweet is non-persuasive.
sorry, see 58, 60 and 63
: – )
Since I don’t know what that means, you probably are.
I dug as far as I needed to to refute the twit, I don’t have much problems with the WI situation, just don’t support it with misinformation.
True of everything correct?
This is not a debunking, it’s just some quibbling about the facts. I’m willing to accept for the sake of argument that students in those states are less well educated by any measure than students in Wisconsin. The chance that this is not the case is near enough to zero.
Too bad they don’t have union teachers, huh?
WISCONSIN CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1, SECTION 4.
Wisconsin open Meetings Law
http://www.wisfoic.org/an-openmeetingslaw.html
Yeah, that is a good one. Love me some peaceable assemblages! The third annotation makes it even better.
Wisconsin State Constitution, Article 1.
Of course, the AT-ST is the gubner, not the legislature, so I guess the constitution simply does not apply here.
If the U.S. constitution does not apply to the USG, I see no reason why the WI constitution should apply in that state. /s
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Careful.
Most teachers aren’t in unions. And they’re good people and good teachers.
Recall cuts both ways. Some of us are looking in to recall Senate Dems for dereliction of duty for fleeing the state instead of doing their jobs.