Scott Walker held to his threat of issuing layoff notices to public employees because of the passing of a deadline for the budget reapir bill. The deadline, which concerns a $165 million refinancing scheme that Walker claims needs time to accomplish, seems bogus to many financial experts who I’ve consulted about this. Basically, bond restructuring doesn’t need four months lead time, which Walker wants here. It’s pretty clear that Walker is using the layoff notices as a tool to pressure unions and the Democratic Senators to finish off the bill. That’s been his history.
Walker’s plan calls for 1,500 layoffs, but the actual layoff notices, which is required by the collective bargaining agreement with state workers, could number as high as 6,000.
Meanwhile, as the Democratic Senators are faced with $100-a-day fines and the passing of a resolution of questionable constitutionality that allows state police to take them into custody if they are found inside Wisconsin, there is talk of compromise in the air.
Absent Senate Democrats in Wisconsin said they are in talks with the majority Republicans about possible compromises to end a stalemate over a bill, but no deal has been reached [...]
One of the boycotting Senate Democrats told Reuters in an interview on Thursday he remains hopeful a compromise will be reached.
“We are dealing with a matter of principle here, a matter of people’s rights, and so we remain hopeful that as a consequence of our talks with Senate Republicans that there is some middle ground,” state Senator Jim Holperin said.
That’s pretty non-specific, but I’ve heard about removing the need for re-certification of the union every year as well as the provision allowing workers to refuse to pay dues, as well as some limited collective bargaining allowances around work conditions. But nothing’s been decided.
Meanwhile, the news just keeps getting worse for Scott Walker. Even Rasmussen has his approval rating down to 43%, so you can probably knock a bit more off of that. 57% disapprove of Walker in the poll, showing that the whole state has an opinion, and it’s mostly bad. My favorite stat in the poll:
It’s also interesting to note that among households with children in the public school system, only 32% approve of the governor’s performance. Sixty-seven percent (67%) disapprove, including 54% who Strongly Disapprove.
That’s OK, it’s not like a lot of people in Wisconsin have kids or anything. Walker also only has a 77% approval from those who voted for him in 2010.
On a related note, Rich Trumka of the AFL-CIO has a good op-ed today about Wisconsin in the Wall Street Journal, of all places.
UPDATE: With the restrictions on access lifted, huge crowds have returned to the Capitol.




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So much for the Unemployment rate dropping.
This is scorched-earth political warfare from the Kochs and their Republithug foot soldiers. Walker deserves a populist overthrow of his government if he takes out his political frustrations on ordinary Wisconsin state employees. Recall, impeach, uprising…whatever. Do it.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Walker is busily digging himself right out of that hole, ain’t he?
Wonder who DOA is gonna hire to “professionally remove” all that blue tape, and just how much Walker, et al. will make from that (probably) no-bid deal?
Releasing his full budget didn’t help him. Every day, in every newspaper, there are more details of the cuts being made. Today’s front page article tells of the 93,000 senior citizens that are being affected by changes to SeniorCare. (They’re being forced into Medicare part D, which nobody wants)
People are starting to realize that their state taxes will not be reduced. Local taxes however, will go up to make up the difference.
The longer the fab 14 stay away, the more publicity this gets. It’s not going to end well for the governor or his cronies.
I’ll be in Madison again tomorrow. Looks like it’s going to another good crowd.
Now, I’m sure the Kochs have a mighty fine product that will remove all that blue tape in a jiffy–at the right price and through a no-bid contract, of course.
I emailed the attorney who made the claim in court – asked her if she could give me the name of the company so I could see if they’re hiring.
David, a rumor to check out that the White House has asked Wisconsin OFA to back off on getting behind the recall campaign. Any truth to it, or is it more Koch propaganda (of which there seems to be a lot on the Twitter feeds, some appearing to be automated).
I don’t see this working out in Walker’s favor.
Gov. Walker is playing with fire.
What we have here is case of Group Think,
Gov. Walker is going to destroy the GOP of Wisconsin.
the fact below says it all
“According to newly released numbers, over 44 million Americans are now on food stamps. That is a new all-time record and that number is 13.1% higher than it was just one year ago. So how many Americans have to go on food stamps before we can all finally agree that the U.S. economy is dying? 50 million? 60 million? All of us? The food stamp program is the modern equivalent of the old bread lines. ”
“the USA is in a very, very, deep DEPRESSION”
Gov. Walker and other GOPers can’t see the DEPRESSION the USA is in because FDR programs are hiding it from them, however USA citizens know this is a depression.
Gov. Walker is pouring gas on to a fire, that may wipe out a lot of the GOP across the USA.
the old MSM, can’t protect the ULTRA RICH from the masses like it use to, more and more USA citizens are learning that there is a CLASS war going on in the USA.
the rich are terrified at the idea of a middle class uprising in the USA seeking to topple their puppets like Gov. Walker and Obama
me thinks Gov. Walker will soon, find him self all alone, with members of his own party throwing him to the wolves.
the sad truth about the rumor the WH asking OFA to back off on getting behind a recall campaign
is that most progressives, union members, and now college students, would expect this type of action from OBAMA.
Walker is playing way out of his league and he’s not good at it. The ground under his feet must feel like quicksand about now.
I’m leery of any compromise. My feeling is, the bad guys always win the compromise. I think this is the time and place to adminster a flat-out defeat. Hang on another two weeks until the first reports come in on the recall signature collection rate. I have a feeling that will put a whole new light on things. (If the recall backers are smart, they’ll put up bar graphs which show signatures gathered against both the min total needed and an appropiate safety cushion (like 150% or even 200%). Since petitions have a specific number of signature lines, it’s not hard to keep a running count as completed petitions are turned in and additional ones checked out.
Walker isn’t really the person who counts. It’s the GOP/Kochsucker apparatus behind the scenes. They’re the players, he’s just the puppet.
People are using mob tactics and intimidation to try and prevent a democratically elected legislature from functioning. I hope you folks know how serious this is getting. Like it or not, Walker and the Republicans won an election fair and square, and a minority political faction is trying to sabotage the legislative process. Imagine if the Tea Party was preventing a state legislature from functiong. This is something new. I know you are caught up in the excitment of the moment, but this is very serious and troubling in our Democracy. This is not about the budget or the teachers or the unions anymore, but about the rule of law. Walker needs to take all steps neccessary to end this circus in Madison. And remember, what goes around comes around.
LOL! I was just gonna say, there goes Obama’s new employment increase numbers. As fake as they are, Walker is wiping them out.
MOB! Intimidation?
I thought it was protests to redress their representatives. Somebody told you wrong.
Everytime Walker does something to make himself go down in the polls, his starting salary, at his next job for Koch Industries goes up. He knows exactly what he is doing!
Tell it to Mitch McChinless
Anyone know of a way to contribute to the expenses of the WI 14? I imagine staying in a hotel and buying all your meals becomes expensive at some point. Now, with losing $100 a day from their pay, they’re taking a bit of a hit here. I don’t know there personal financial situations, but if any of them need help, I for one would like to kick in.
Don’t feed the troll
this is not a rational human being
No no, wallbanger’s still on the “palm tree” talking point video.
You know, I heard that his chin ran away because it was disgusted by what came out of his mouth.
Unfortunately, it takes this type of hardship to get the people away from American Idol and to start paying attention to the monster they’ve created. I’m sure a good deal of voters that voted for this clown are going to be financially and practically affected by these actions. This dirtbag needs to go. Go Wisconsin, don’t cave, don’t give up. Push back!
Winning an election, no matter which party you represent, does not give you license to screw the taxpayers and discount what they want and try to shove unpopular measures and programs down peoples throats. That’s not democracy. Scott Walker hardly deserves acclaim for his actions, many of which are against the Wisconsin constitution, such as shutting access to the capitol, which belongs to the people, not to an elected official. He’s acting like a tyrant. Tyrants deserve to be resisted.
OFA’s terrible mis-management of the midterm campaign in Wisconsin is part of why Democrats fared so badly last fall here. I went to their GOTV meetings. It was all about how great a job Obama had done during his first two years in office, almost nothing about the fact that we had two great candidates to promote in Barrett and Feingold. OFA’s been out-of-touch since the day after he was elected.
He reminds me of those century old tortoises that live in the Galapagos.
Oh! Well, sheesh! He/She should be questioning all the money Walker spent on hauling all that sand and deep southern species of palm to WI for a photo!
That had to have cost millions!
Yeah, and it’s gonna come back around and smack all those who voted for him. Just watch. You sound so clueless…don’t you get it?
Maybe the mob that Wallbanger is talking about will make a proposition to Walker that he can’t refuse. ;-)
Send that suggestion to first-draft.com they will know who to forward it to.
Heh. Harvey’s a fun little troll ball…fun to bounce around. Hahaha
An excellent condemnation of the Tea Party 2009/2010.
go to first-draft.com with that offer too
At this point, the Dems should hold tough…do not compromise. Back the mofo down.
Walker is an elected representative. The operative word there is representative. His actions are to represent the will of the people. The way to democratically determine this is through elections. He was fairly elected. He will now be fairly recalled.
What wallmolester fails to understand is that the will of the people was not what Walker is proposing. This is why he will be recalled. He is no longer doing his job as defined within a representative democracy. The majority of voters in his state no longer agree with his actions, and by a wide margin. The politically intelligent thing to do here would be to back down and listen to his constituents. Rescind the tax cuts for corporations that he signed last month and let the state heal itself through fair commerce and strong business.
Fixed it for ya.
be careful that is what Gov. Rhodes said
I get a no go for that website. Got a working link?
Thanks Senator Grothman.
Hope everyone can hang tough. This is where it starts getting harder to hang on. I would love to believe everyone who is saying that Walker is playing with fire or whatever. But I feel like Walker is really quite irrelevant to the Koch’s and other ruling elites. They don’t really give a sh*t about Walker (they’ll buy him off easily in any case, as we’ve already witnessed).
But the Koch’s are prepared for a long-haul siege, I’m sure. I do think this is a win-able battle in the Class Warfare… but hang onto your hats, folks, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride!!
Power to the People!!
Harvey should just about be getting off work around now.
Leaving live ammunition at the capital is imtimidation. Harrassing legislators trying to do get into their offices is imtimidation. Banging drums in the capital lobby all day is imtimidation. This is serious stuff. It’s time to bust these public sector unions once and for all. They are nothing but scam artists and thugs, stealing taxpayer money via mandatory union dues to elect the crooked politicians that support them. If you people are too stupid to see that I pity you.
Yes, that is the expectation, isn’t it. And with good reason. But there are a lot of local OFA folks in WI who were helping with the recall effort and with the efforts to compensate the 14 Wisconsin Dems for their $100/day fines. It seems very strange for the White House to be other than hands off on this issue. Which is why this particular report has questionable credibility. So I questioned it.
@26 I’m clear about that; it has happened here as well. The question was about the truth of the rumor as there has been an unending stream of TokyoRose-like tweets on #wiunion and the livestream seeking to deflate the spirits of the protesters and the folks supporting them. Whether true Tea Party believers or hired tweeters, they have been unceasing in the same tired old irrelevant arguments–and only a few seem to be from Wisconsin (mostly the Young Republicans around the state).
You are a toy Harvey. We’re just playin’ with you. You are entertainment. Nobody cares what you think or who you pity. Your facts are fiction. Hahahaha
If you’re too stupid to see that membership in these unions is part of what guarantees the workers a decent wage and benefits, I pity you.
Actually, I already pity you. It seems that you live a very longely and hateful life. You’re truly missing the beauty of the world, and for that you have my sympathy.
==modnote: no name calling==
sorry here copied from the screen http://www.first-draft.com/ try typing it in
It’s against the law to buy food and lodging for a legislator. It’s called bribery, fool. You could both go to jail.
why don’t you try it and see what happens?
==modnote: no namecalling==
You need a WAHHHHmbulance, man.
I just remember the Tea Party spitting on lawfully elected federal politicians
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2010/03/racist-tea-party-protestor-spits-at-black-congressman-emanuel-cleaver/
And Tea Partiers going so nutty at Town Hall meetings that they wouldn’t allow *anyone from the other side* have their say:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS374US374&q=tea+party+town+hall#q=tea+party+town+hall+scream+at+Democrats&hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS374US374&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=4WxxTcDFN9S_gQePtti5AQ&ved=0CCMQqwQ&bav=on.2,or.&fp=d13ce81194793b26
Actually I think that your Tea Party brothers and sisters were quite proud of themselves for not permitting those who elected the *majority* in the House, Senate & White House from having a say.
In fact, some Tea Party person bit off a Democratic voter’s finger:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/healthcare-reform-violence.html
Last I heard, at that time, the Democratic Party was the lawfully elected majority, yet you and your Tea Bagger friends didn’t like it and ranted and raged like a Mob demanding that you have YOUR way, not what the lawfully elected majority wanted.
Ya know, there’s this thing called teh google, which easily refutes every single Rush Limbaugh talking point you jack out.
It’s against the law to buy food and lodging for a legislator. It’s called bribery, fool. You could both go to jail.why don’t you try it and see what happens?
You say sumthin?
I’ve already seen what happens when a fake David Koch makes the offer to the Governor.
Nothing happens.
Don’t feed the troll, folks, unless ya want the thread hijacked. His/her buddies prolly aren’t far behind.
will do as SouthernDragon says
Good point, SD. Walker’s plummeting approval numbers are enough to keep my spirits up.
Ahh, then we agree; John Boehner should be in prison.
Did you get thru?
I’ve yet to see evidence of a single incidence of violence by protesters. I have, however, seen video of Capitol Police throwing an elected representative to the ground.
Yep! :) Thanks!
Do we have to put up with name calling mods?
Yeah. bribery is against the law. If you even try it, you are breaking the law, fool. you may have broken the law already by even suggesting it.
I want the Senator recall effort to be successful. Not having the numbers drives me nuts.
Let’s not forget what Wanker bragged about in his 20 min conversation with fake Koch…you know besides the one where he said they thought about putting trouble makers into the peaceful protest crowd and had total disregard for public safety, no they decided against it because they thought it would cost him the political win on the issue…no worries about public safety entering the conversation. Well I digress but the part where he tells fake Koch he’ll ratchet up the layoffs if needed to put more political pressure on the opponents…yeah no real thought given about the well being of those laid off workers and their families ever entering in to the conversation, just wanting to score some political points.
I read that labor opponents are ready to pounce on this “layoffs” issue using that playback from teh Koch Binge phone call and his own words against him. Walker’s Koch Binge, the telephone call that keeps on giving.
Lastly, from the article, Wanker is saying that 1500 will be laid off…saving 30 million…now how much will they have to pay out for unemployment costs, or was that factored in already.
Tell that to anyone occupying an office on K Street.
Seriously? Like this isn’t common practice? And even if it is illegal, I know it doesn’t fall within bribery statutes.
Jesus, wallfucker, at least try to manipulate the facts. Don’t spout outright lies.
That phone call is the gift that’s gonna keep on giving.
S/he’s got nothin’ else. Quit feeding.
Yeah, when Walker speaks, it’s like herpes.
“David, a rumor to check out that the White House has asked Wisconsin OFA to back off on getting behind the recall campaign. Any truth to it, or is it more Koch propaganda (of which there seems to be a lot on the Twitter feeds, some appearing to be automated).”
This is the only reason OFA would be involved at all, to astroturf the protests on behalf of Obama the corporate punk like good little veal penners.
Can you think of any other reason OFA would be ‘supportive’? I can’t.
What is OFA, and why should they be involved? These recalls are happening on the ground, run by folks in the respective Senate Districts.
What do republicans know about the law?
Looking for cred they don’t have and won’t get.
Hmmm. Okay. I didn’t type a name, but I’ll stop playing with it.
Thanks for clarifying this, benmasel. In other words, it was a straw man.
As well as reducing the funding for seniors he did this: Walker’s budget increases the funding for municipalities costs burying destitute citizens!
from thinkprogress.org:
Hmm, I think I’ll try the bribery. I wonder how much it would cost to buy a blowjob off a legislator? Hell, maybe I can get one free!
: )
Wasn’t Scott Walker agreeing to a form of bribery by “fake” David Koch, which was caught on a taped phone call? In essence, I think he was. So… by some folks’ “logic,” I guess Scott Walker should be in jail. That would be fine with me.
I have yet to see anyone *jailed* for influence peddling, which happens nearly continuously these days (as well as in the past). I don’t agree with it. Once in a blue moon, some random politician will do “pennance” by being forced out of office for particularly egregious behavior.
CA Assemblyman Mike Duvall was forced from office bc of bragging about his screwing around with a lobbyist/prostitute.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/10/local/me-duvall10
But we also know that current Speaker of the House, Agent Orange Boehner has fooled around with lobbyists, but there’s been nary a tsk tsk coming from the corporate-owned fasciat media, much less from his brothers & sisters on the House “Ethics” committee:
http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/scandal-john-boehner-lisbeth-lyons-affair
So, exactly WHEN & WHO gets put in jail for bribery??? And WHAT, exactly, constitutes bribery??
This bill also guts the authority of Cabinet members, allows no bid deals on govt property, sets up the privatization of a lot of govt services and some other reichwing wish list items. The Kochroaches that wrote this bill went for the reichwing Full Monty.
If I were one of the Fab 14 I’d stay away from any “compromise” the Rethugs make. Once the Fab 14 go back to the Senate you can bet all deals are off.
I hope they know that. Judging by the interviews I’ve seen with various Fab 14, I’d say that they do know this.
Has Walker, himself, and the Republican WI State Senators offered to take pay cuts? And benefit cuts, including cuts to their pensions?? Inquiring minds need to know.
If not, why not??
One thing that I can say for former CA Gov Arnold Schwartzenegger is that he took like a $1 pay check per year. I realize that he’s very wealthy, but so are most the rest of these elitist politicians.
Are they ponying up to share the painful cuts?????
No? Probably not! Just like that Tea Party federal House of Representative that whined & cried about not getting his *benefits* – paid by you & me – fast enough to suit his little libertarian black heart.
All it takes is one weak-kneed bonehead.
Me likee.
Too late for love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSsw6CsMN1g
heh… thought ya might! It’s true, isn’t it?
One rule for the serfs, and another rule for the elites & their well-connected political lackeys.
No kidding, which is why I said: no the going gets really tough. I hope that *they* can stand tough and not cave. I feel for them, but… stand your ground!!
As a side note, teachers all over FL were out protesting King Scott’s similar legislation. Went I went to deposit my paycheck and get tiger food the big intersection at Tyrone Blvd and 66th St (6 lanes each) all 4 corners were lined with teachers and supporters. Lots of horn honking and peace signs from hands out windows.
Never. Give. Up.
Ideally, there would be a Parliamentary maneuver to table the bill at hand, and THEN the Fab 14 would be assured that when they returned, they wouldn’t fall into the quorum trap.
That’s what I’d hold out for anyways.
You betch’um, Red Ryder.
The Government Accountability Office says it IS legal to fund the proud WI 14. Monies accepted simply need to be reported properly as normal campaign donations. My dial-up is acting up and I’ll post the links ASAP, but I just GOOGLED to find it and the info was on some WI right-wing blogs, so it must be true. They were PO’d about the prospect of not being able to stop financial support of the Democratic Senators.
Don’t have goooogle on your computer?
I read somewhere over the weekend $250K had already been donated from various sources.
That should cover a while at Motel 6 and lots of pizzas, cheezburgers and fries. Won’t do much for their cholesterol though.
LOL!!! egad I do so LOVE the smell of schadenfreude at any time of the day. I shall also be donating, stat. Thanks for the link when can get to it. har de har har har… I thought that was bone-headed but now all doubts are removed.
Act Blue Wisconsin 14.
Big whoop about approval ratings, really. Walker has now made his bones in the RNC and will come out of this with a solid career ahead of him. Even a recall won’t hurt his future.
the ammo was planred by nefarious creeps and Walker thugs
of course not!
How grand—wonder if baby Bush drove by. BTW- when did he become an authority on education? With all the real authorities around what an insult he gets to talk to President!
Unfortunately, he gets paid every time you respond to him
Oh well: let David Koch pay for nothing. He can certainly afford it. It gives me *some* teensy-tiny pleasure to think about Koch pissing away even chump change on this pitiful exercise in futility.
Didn’t think so.
Well let Walker & his Republican Senators & Assemblyfolk take a giant pay cut & cuts to their benefits and pensions first. And probably also pay cuts to their staffers, who often get paid higher than average salaries.
That’s another point that is often lost in situations like this. These elites dictate cuts for the rank & file, whilst keeping their munificent salaries, benefits & pensions. Whereohwhere is the Tea Party *outrage* over that?? Yeah: I know! Their lack of outrage in this case is exactly the same as their lack of outrage over CEO ridiculous salaries & million$$$$ in bonuses for bankers & WallST, not to mention incessant tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy.
Talk about being fools….
W Bush was most likely back in the Big D… as in: drunk as a skunk in Dallas…
The bribery thingy is interesting.
“The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties”
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2011/02/26/howard-dean-bribes-wisconsin-fleebaggers-to-stay-away-and-not-vote
When all the drums stop beating and the morons quiet down, a state’s attorney could possibly go after donations to the fleebaggers. It would be an interesting case. I know the fleebaggerfs always go out of their way on local TV to say they are using their own money, so they must be worried at least a little. The government could possibily supena their checkbooks and financial records to see what’s going on.
I hope an aggressive prosecutor goes after the Deanster and all the people who gave money to legislators to try and influence the outcome of the budget repair bill. It looks like bribary to me, but until an actual case is brought, everything else is just opinion.
Donations to WI Democratic Senators will eventually be handled through the
State Senate Democratic Committee. Another Wisconsinite supplied this info.
The folks should be mad at the Corrupt union bosses, the thugs who destroyed the Capital buiding and beat on the news reporters. Walker is doing what the people of Wi. elected him to do.
the day of the corrup union asnd there violent bosses has passed. It’s not the workers it the discussing unions.
Walker is a principled leader unlike Obama who is a corrupt, incompetent,spineless man.
What Democracy? We have a Plutocracy or a Feudal Monarchy. Just like the 1500′s in Europe.