This is quite a power play by the Wisconsin Republicans. Despite all the public opinion against them, despite weeks of protests, they have apparently decided to end the political careers of most of their colleagues. The Senate leader, Scott Fitzgerald, just called for a conference committee on the budget repair bill. The Senate, of course, hasn’t passed anything. But as I understand it, the plan is this: The Senate and Assembly will try to split the bill in half. The fiscal items will make up the budget repair bill. The non-fiscal items, like stripping public employees of their collective bargaining rights and the like, will be made into a separate bill. Because it’s non-fiscal, the quorum requirements don’t apply. And they’re going to try and pass that part of the bill tonight.
The conference committee is scheduled for 6pm CT tonight, within the next hour.
More in a minute…
Incidentally, Gov. Walker has been saying for over three weeks that the stripping of collective bargaining rights was fiscal. Here’s one example. Here’s another. Here’s yet another. This would violate the spirit of the Constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and I’d gather it would be fought in court.
UPDATE: Mary Spicuzza writes: The Conference Committee on Budget Repair Bill will be live on Charter Channel 995 and wiseye.org. WisEye is like CSPAN for Wisconsin.
UPDATE II: This is from the Wisconsin State Journal:
In a surprise move late Wednesday, Senate Republicans voted to move forward with the governor’s controversial budget repair bill, sending the measure into a conference committee scheduled for later in the day [...]
If the Republicans move forward with their plans, it would be a major reversal for Gov. Scott Walker and Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau. Both have contended that the bill is fiscal in nature and thus the collective bargaining could not be stripped from the measure.
Democratic Senators on Wednesday immediately criticized the move, saying it proves Republican attempts to end collective bargaining for public employees are not about balancing the budget.
“They have been saying all along that this is a fiscal item, we’ve been saying it is not,” said Sen. Jon Erpenbach, D-Waunakee, from Illinois. “They have been lying. Their goal is to bust up the unions.”
If I understand this correctly, this means they’ve already passed the non-fiscal portions of the budget repair bill in the Senate, perhaps by a voice vote. It’s very strange that nobody seems to know what was passed. This is real dead-of-night stuff.
UPDATE III: Senator Chris Larson (D-Milwaukee) is driving back to Wisconsin right now. Democrats are concerned that this power play is a trick to get Democrats back to the Capitol to get a quorum. But it sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t proposition. Either the Republicans pass the union-busting bill separately or they get a quorum to pass the whole thing.
UPDATE IV: The deal appears to be to get the Senate part of this done tonight. The Assembly has a stronger majority. If the Senate moves this non-fiscal bill to the floor tonight and the Democrats stay out of town, the Senate would only need a simple majority of those in the chamber to pass. In other words, they would only need 10 out of 19 votes, rather than 17 in a full Senate. Which means that some of the GOP Senators could vote against it, with the bill still passing. Conceivably, all of the Republican 8 could vote no, and the wavering Dale Schultz, and they could still pass it.
…There’s also a concern that this violates Wisconsin open meeting laws. Public notice requires at least 24 hours notice for a public meeting, which the conference committee is. Here’s the statute.
The statute says clearly, “In no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.” Scott Fitzgerald announced the 6pm conference committee after 4pm.
UPDATE V: Here’s the notice of the conference committee executive session:
January 2011 Special Session Assembly Bill 11
Relating to: state finances, collective bargaining for public employees, compensation and fringe benefits of public employees, the state civil service system, the Medical Assistance program, sale of certain facilities, granting bonding authority, and making an appropriation.
It’s not certain, but what comes out of conference could include changes to the Medical Assistance program and the sale of heating/cooling/power plants. I’m not sure that’s what this means, however.
UPDATE VI: The conference committee lasted all of a couple minutes. On the roll call, the measure passed 4-2. Democratic Assembly Leader Peter Barca called the meeting illegal under open meeting laws and tried to amend the legislation, but the Republicans gaveled the meeting to a close.
…the Senate is going to the floor NOW.
…And that’s it. The vote in the Senate was 18-1. Only Dale Schultz, the moderate in the bunch, voted no. The non-fiscal bill to strip public employee unions of most of their collective bargaining rights has passed the Wisconsin State Senate. It moves on to the Assembly, but all expectations are it will pass there.
It was never about the budget. It was all about breaking the unions.
UPDATE VII: My thoughts on what comes next here.




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This is ballsy. And political suicide. What are these idiots thinking?
Here comes the knife! Damn them.
They might win this battle by an underhanded move, but I think they’ll be slaughtered in the court of public opinion if they do.
You know what I think they’re thinking? I think the eight who face recall petitions feel like they’re dead meat anyway so this is their sayonara “Fuck you”.
KOck brothers licking their chops
If only this kind of audacity weren’t limited to the bad guys.
“My Dark Lord commands…”
I don’t think I could possibly hate a group of people as much as I hate generic republicans.
Why did the cold war have to end…
If we were still “fighting the soviets” these assholes would have never left their bunkers.
Couldn’t we have broadcast fake reports about a nuclear war so the tea partiers would never have surfaced.
I’m not a republican I’m a libertarian! I’m not a republican I’m a conservative! I’m a fiscal conservative! I’m a social conservative! I’m a die hard republican!
No, you’re all synonyms for “ASSHOLE!”
Checkmate.
This is exactly the type of thing I was worried about, watching Rachel and LoD proclaiming victory last night.
I’ve got to say I am shocked by this. Not at Walker or Fitz, but 8 Rep Senators will be gone by summer and the rest of their colleagues in both chambers will follow over what will likely be a very short period of time.
This is the political analog of Jonestown. And I am just as shocked and repelled by it.
They’ll all become fox commentators and make a hundred times the money they made before by getting their koch fix.
News 3 Jessica Arp on the ground tweets:
All the progressive Democratic arguments against the bill (that its stripping provisions had nothing to do with being fiscal) are now turned in favor of the non-budget parts of the bill, flipping the argumetn on its head. The non-fiscal portion — stripping collective bargaining — have been identified long ago as unrelated to the budget, at least by progressives.
Now the GOP will use those arguments (the hell with what Walker has already said) to pass the bill without the Democrats in attendance. And Walker will sign the bill. And there will be no more collective bargaining.
Well played, Koch-heads.
And one other thing I need to say… If this passes there MUST be a general strike. These fuckers have made it clear they will stop at nothing. Short of a broad-based rebellion, the entire country is screwed.
And for those who missed it… here is Naomi Klein on Democracy Now
Be sure you listen to the whole thing, especially the bit in the MI legislation that allows dissolution of the democratic institutions of a town that may be dissolved by fiat and replaced with a “firm” (i.e., corporation).
I suspect serious bribes have been paid. Why the hell not? The Koch’s and 398 of their best friends can afford to buy every fucking politician in the country.
Thanks for the update. Frankly, this was the “other shoe” that I was waiting to drop.
The Kochs have these Repubs set up to take the fall in some way, but the Kochs are bound ‘n determined to have THEIR way.
Make no mistake: this is a Waterloo moment, and I fear that the middle & working class are about to be further ground under by the elites. Clearly the WI Repubs will do *anything* to dance to Kochs’ tunes, the “will of the people” be damned.
yep…STRIKE
They’ll probably own the utility plants along with their best buddies the Koch Bros.
Abso-effen-lutely!
Bribing these Repub schmucks in WI is chump change for the elites. What do they care? A nickle spent in WI today represents waaaay more $$$ for them down the line. Consider it an investment…
Thing is, they’ve now admitted that this wasn’t about fixing the budget at all, but about screwing the working class.
They could have done this at any time during the last four weeks, but they didn’t because it would have been tantamount to admitting that it really wasn’t a budget issue.
we need anon to shut WI down
grandma millie in WI…is about to get $ 10,000 electric bills
Yep. And the elites are absolutely counting on that NOT to happen.
Hey: I union friends out here in CA who are *woefully ignorant* about what’s going on in WI and really don’t see “what it has to do with them.” Seriously… just what the Koch brothers ordered. A dumbed down, complacent populace who doesn’t “get it.”
Don’t confuse good guys with enablers like Obama.
Yes and they’re at the point where they don’t care anymore what people think or know… a very very dangerous situation, imo.
And while Madison burns, Emperor
NeroObama is concerned that this whole thing is not in line with his re-election message.So far, Wisconsin seems to be a truly leaderless resistance, but I think eventually a leader will emerge. I’m looking forward to his/her Presidency.
I do hope every Repuke in Wisconsin gets recalled by the end of 2012 they have certainly earned to be fired by the People!! They are even working on changing/repealing the recall laws!
fuckers fuckers. The Right with it’s bazillions because of Citizens United are going for the jugular vein of the opposition (Dems) nation wide!! This is full out a blatant attack on the Middle class and they need to be called out for it!!
What do you think has changed? Why was this option unacceptable for four weeks, but now acceptable? A calculation has been made-either someone thinks they can ride out the backlash, or someone bigger doesn’t care if they do or not, as long as they break the unions, as I see it at the moment…
Sure! Something similar happened out here in CA about a decade ago when Enron screwed us over and charged CA citizens up the yin-yang for our elec. But do you think CA citizens “got it”???
Hell no! They were distracted by Darryl Issa who managed to recall Gov Gray Davis bc Davis had the nerve to suggest minimally raising the annual auto fees, which Davis was right to do. All these rich Republicans went nuts about having to pay, like, an extra $250 per year for their gas-guzzling SUVs. It would’ve made a huge difference in the CA budget.
But no. What happened? They voted in Ahhhnold S. who claimed to be so “impartial.” When it came time go after Enron for the money they owed CA, Ahhhnold refused to do it. Then Enron collapsed, and that was that.
But I worked with a lot of older women at that time, and while each of them suffered from the higher elec. rates, every one of ‘em voted for Ahhhnold and *hated* Gray Davis.
Dare I use the term “stupid”??? It gets really frustrating some days… I expect nothing else from some of the citizens of WI, who will remain emphatically in denial.
What, you cheered when the democrats ran away as a “parliamentary procedure” and are aghast at the republicans doing this?
This is Big Boy Politics.
Take heart though, Tennessee and Iowa are planning to square off on the same issue, so people will always have somewhere to protest.
I agree. Some back-room calculation has been made. I could tell that the Koch’s were NOT going to blink. What ever back-room deal that has occurred, clearly the issue is breaking the backs of the unions. Period.
Must respectfully disagree, for 2 reasons: an anon attack gives the authorities “emergency” powers, and gives people an excuse to stay home.
Not aghast at the tactic; hardball, as you say. Aghast, more, at the likely effects of this action and the needlessness of it.
This is just the beginning they are coming for all of us one state at a time. Question is will we wait until it is our tun or do we unite now and fight back. me thinks we will all just sit around, moan and stay home until they are knocking on our door.
Walker has the balls to do this because he and the majority of the politicians do not care what we think. in the past they tried to hide their raping of us in the shadows…now it is out in the open. Where is MSM demanding Obama stand by his promise and march with the people of WI. It’s all lies and if we don’t fight back, we will be working for slave wages with no rights. Period
I wonder if that’s what Gaddafi says when he air bombs the protester citizens. I mean, hey, all is fare in love, war, and politics, right Rafe?
the SHARKS SMELL BLOOD baby….blood of the ciizens in the water
feeding frenzy
mebbe so
Well Elections have consequences.
rotflmao….are you kiddin the millionaires of the MSM
wow that was very civil.
This is precisely what I have been thinking. By now they have developed such contempt for those of us they consider powerless, that they no longer think anything we can do is going to make any difference. We have become irrelevant.
I have always tried not to see conspiracies everywhere, but it is becoming difficult not to believe that there are powers determined to destroy America.
Destroy the educational system, and make sure that people are unable to exercise any critical thinking. Needless to say our students will not be educated well enough to compete in the global job market.
And they brazenly demonstrate that they will be able to push through their agenda, no matter what We The People want. They are so confident that they
don’t care if the whole world knows what they are doing.
Hate to point this out, but we have become the laughing stock of the world.
David,
Thanks for keeping everyone up to date. I just retweeted your tweets and tried to send it all around.
The Koch business is getting uglier by the minute and Exxon’s CEO thinks the oil prices aren’t hurting Americans—yet! I’m sure he hasn’t talked to the transport truckers or the airlines.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exxon-CEO-says-oil-prices-not-apf-3242063659.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=
Absolutely. It’s clear that they don’t give a sh*t and will do anything. Hard ball tactics, as has been stated already.
If people want to agree with this: fine. Good luck with that. When the dust settles, the Olgiarchs, like the Kochs, will spit on conservative proles just as readily & equally as they spit on leftwing proles. The Kochs ain’t gonna care if some prole agreed with being raped & plundered. They’ll laugh harder at that sort of romantic sentimentality.
hey Matt ,hows the Hamptons treatin ya?
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/matt-lauers-house-1/
Yep. Pretty much. And with a significant portion of the population complicit, either through endorsement or bc of apathy, well, bend over, baby.
Yes, we are the laughingstock of the world, but don’t forget to scream “USA USA USA” as they grind you under.
All political actions have consequences.
This overreach will only further enrage the people of Wisconsin, as they’re non-too-pleased with Walker and the other Senate Republicans right now.
The recall effort will only become stronger, and yes, those elections will have consequences too.
Good luck to us all – that’s all I can say.
Wow, this is really unbelievable. They care nothing for their constituents. Personally, I think they’ve figured out a way to make a recall impossible to pull off. Once they figured that out, it was a big ‘screw you’ to the people of Wisconsin.
Scott Walker is the Madison Mugger.
See cartoon.
In a recent phone call Walker bragged about having a slugger with his name on it in his office. This cartoon shows Walker holding his Madison Mugger.
The word “anon” means immediately. It is archaic language. That’s how I understood the post at any rate.
You got it. They never cared what you thought, but up until now they did it in the shadows and made sure to keep you happy with fake crumbs such as soaring home prices. Now they cant even bother to pretend that they work for the people. Politicians have always worked for corporations and banks. We do not have a democracy it is a plutocracy, and glad that you are waking up to the truth. maybe if enough people wake up we will rise up and fight back
WTF!!!
Watching the hearing live on-line, they switched the coverage in the middle of the Dem Minority Leader of the Assembly reading a memo from the Attorney General saying the meeting violated the open meeting law.
Not only will the revolution not be televised, but the fucking coup won’t be either!!!!
Up until the switch you could hear people outside the chamber loud and clear chanting SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!!
Yep. Wisconsin is closed for business.
I’d join a general strike in a heartbeat. You think Walker would care, though? Who would we really be hurting?
Well at least you get to see something. MSM not even covering. how long did this story break and still nothing on cnn and msnbc. we are on our own and if we don’t all wake up and unite they will not stop until we work for slave wages and have no rights.
Keep us posted. I can’t live stream on my old puter while I have another program or two running.
SheeIT! They cut it off and then yell about the “librul” media.
FUCK THE MSM.
With the exception of Ed Schultz they are dead to me. Bet your ass I’ll be watching him tonight though, I just hope to hell he is half as pissed off as I am.
I am guessing that someone suggested changing the recall laws, and they will do that first tonight. Then they have free rein.
Heck, does that mean they can just vote to call off any future elections?
Welcome to Fascism.
When storms knock the power out and electrical workers have to come in to fix and restore aren’t they part of a union?
Let’s hope it can/will be repealed when sane people get in there. but by then the sale of the utilities and forests will have been a done deal.
I still say this was an ESS “election” but nonetheless Walker lied his ass off both before and after his “election”
And of course the unions STILL won’t strike because their first loyalty is to Obama.
I’m in tears and I am so angry I can’t even put it into words. I certainly hope that all those Faux News watchers and all those southernors (as kind as I can be) who work in those right to work states find out real soon how much good the unions were doing for them even if they didn’t belong and had to pay no dues. Once the unions are eradicated, those cretons will be working for $2 an hour along with the rest of the country. The only stopping every corporation in this country from treating everyone like slave labor was fear of unionization.
It is true, they are coming for all of us. My country is disappearing before my eyes. We are on our way to becoming a banana republic.
The stream is back, but it shows a mostly empty room. Bastards passed it 4-2. Everyone one of the fuckers at that table (the minority leader from the Assembly excepted) needs to be recalled at the earliest opportunity.
I know for a fact that media personnel are union employees. Cameramen, soundmen, writers, production crews and managers all union! So why does the feed get cut?
striking is so last century. You got to hit these fuc$$kers where it huts. if the people of WI came together,
and stopped spending. share what food you have in your fridge, only buy basics, do not drive, do not shop etc…take money out of their banks….buy silver….boycott all retail stores…..let’s see what Walker does when evn bigger corporate giants than the kock brother start calling him
The part about the utilities hasn’t rec’d nearly enough attention. That should tick off even the most conservative voter. Walker is destroying Wisconsin.
Too damn embarrassed to allow the world to see their vote! Yellow bellied chickn lier livers!
Am I mistaken or did you just describe a general strike?
Oh you hateful, dispicable fucking cock-suckers. Recall all 8, WI. And challenge the shit out of this in court. Heinous. Absolutely heinous.
Where did our representative Democracy go?
Passed what? Only 6 were there and they passed something so important?
He’s not destroying it, he’s turning it into pre-Revolution France. He’s fucking obliterating democracy.
Sorry that was just to get it out of committee. They went straight to the floor of the Senate. No Dems present. Only no vote was Schultz, final 18-1 and poof! The end of collective bargaining in WI in under 2 hours flat.
I can’t imagine that this won’t get challenged in court.
Schultz is gonna go down with the rest of the rats, fuckers every last one.
I told you all that he thought he was a little Kinglet.
WI citizens are now Les Miserables!
yes a strike but one where we try to consume as little as possible. you have to starve the beast and you have to break this corrupt financial system…hence why i say get your money out of the big banks, buy silver, and watch them all crash to the ground….then we can reform our political system, end the Fed Reserve, get rid of TSA and take our country back. Anything less we result in “meet the new boss same as the old boss”
Oh sure, because the Wisconsin GOP is conducting air strikes against union protesters. ROFL
Jeebus…do you ever listen to yourself?
It looks they might be including all the shock doctrine sale of state assets to Koch Industries like those 3 power plants, too.
The same question could be applied to yourself.
Are you on overtime tonight? They must pay pretty damn well in order for you to do overtime hours.
Then I guess we will see what happens and how the people of Wisconsin respond. Both sides were at an impasse so the GOP moved on it; they will pay a price for it or they won’t.
Thanks. Does seem it will be challenged. The time frame especially seems wrong.
I don’t see the point of being civil with a mob of dumb assholes who want to gut the country and hand over it’s innards to the cock brothers.
How many Americans troops dead in Iraq because of nothing but GOP lies? How many Iraqi civilians killed in Iraq for a lie?
Do you think you will not pay a price? Unless you are the Koch level of money, you will feel it all and then what will you be saying to us?
jeebus….Raffles doesnt even get a pee break
try not to feed the ==edited by mod==
sadlyyes:
He doesn’t belong to a union
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HE gets paid everytime you respond to him ( do not feed)
lol,yea he is an itch that needs a scratch,but infection will ensue
I know and neither have the forests which we really really need not to have cut down by these M’fers
i picture it doing phone sex on a skype line,as a second job…teehee
The word anon does not mean immediately; it means soon.
eczema…do not touch
more paper for their chapass asswipes
Sort of like posthaste?
LOL
Shakespeare
Here’s a video of the crowd’s reaction
I’m wondering what the surpise is all about (outrage is of course understandable).
Krauthammer had shrewedly forecast this nuke a couple of weeks ago with the unknowns amounting to just the timeframe. So it aged longer than expected. In essence it’s happening because it can.
The GOP’s petri dish hasn’t produced defectors yet. That could change, but by now one would expect the doom and gloom called down upon their careers would have produced at least some results, no?
trouble is they FEEL no shame…incapable i spose
Poof…one asshole governor and decades of empowering the worker gone.
I think they figured out a way to make a recall either illegal or impossible. Once they did that, we lost.
Not conducting air strikes on protestors does not mean that you are not engaged in activities that will ultimately have an extremely destructive impact on the country. You know that!
You must know that your position is weak or you wouldn’t have to resort to this type of sarcasm.
I have great empathy for you, since you clearly lack the maturity to treat your fellow man with dignity.
“UPDATE 7:30: Matt Miller, leader of the Senate Democrats, issues a statement:
In thirty minutes, 18 State Senators undid fifty years of civil rights in Wisconsin. Their disrespect for the people of Wisconsin and their rights is an outrage that will never be forgotten. Tonight, 18 Senate Republicans conspired to take government away from the people. Tomorrow we will join the people of Wisconsin in taking back their government.”
LINK.
No I don’t think I will. How many people are union and how many aren’t in this nation? Stripping away collective bargaining from a public union in Wisconsin isn’t the beginning of some great repression.
i knew when BHO let BP get away with trashing the gulf,our great experiment was over…toast
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They may be gone- they might also be getting rich.
Time for meanness? Public employees should not wait for the courts-years… they should shut it all down- just like those R asses in Congress threaten. So public- lets show the country how work gets done. I want the unions to STAND.
Please. You need to scan some of the threads from the last few days to see what sort of “dignity” has been applied to me here at FDL before preaching that I’m being some sort of monster. I’m not going to complain, it comes with the territory when people are angry and lashing out, but seriously, some of your fellow commenters here aren’t exactly paragons of decency.
Go home, troll, your corporatist masters are waiting for you.
It is 8pm and not a peep about this on CNN, MSNBC. . I know many here no that msm is a tool of corporations..that we do not have a free press..but this lack of coverage is so blatent, so proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the role of media in this country is to manipulate and dumb down the people. We need to fight back now, and we need to take down the corrupt financial system, their puppets in congress, and their tools of lies the msm
You must not be watching the same MSNBC I am.
just came on cnn and msnbc now. nothing before 8pm
This is inevitable. Republicans only owe allegiance to the rich. They will eventually screw everyone. It’s just a matter of time. SS is next. I don’t know if they’ll have any supporters in 2 more years.
No, Tweetie’s show broke at the end with Ed Schulz giving a live update.
Just a fact. Carry on.
I think you are right. We will be a joke to the world.
Public needs to get rude and mass in a general strike. What is there to lose?
I don’t want to see one damn cry baby losing Democrat. I want to see one damn big FIGHT back or this shitty life in America will not be worth a nickel. They did what they wanted to do! So must we.
I’m curious. What kind of perverse pleasure do you get tweaking people on this site? Is Rush your idol? Is Glenn? Who do you look up to?
it is paid
minimum wage
but still a job is a job
what is your point…this story broke around 6pm est and nobody covered it on msm until 8pm give or take a few minutes
General strike! It is the only answer. Shut the state down. Make Walker pay.
they will spend far more time on Mr. Sheen,cant wake up the snoozers
yup
About time! Fire and Police departments will be next. Strike? Go ahead, since there are plenty of people to fill those positions. Not a good time for unions and democrats…
We’ll see. Wisconsinites are made of steel. The reich wing will lose.
And where is Oilbummer?
Ahh. Dday tweeted the bill that just passed the Committee and the Senate, and there’s no way it’s not “fiscal.”
LINK
Between the Open Meeting LAW (not rule, LAW) and this content? No way what the Republicans did was legal.
Republicans in action; rule by fiat, not by law.
Thanks for sharing that Democracy Now link. I hadn’t seen that before. Naomi Klein – as usual – has done her homework. Good insights there.
I would like to say thank you Gov. Walker and thank you to all your colleges also.
You as our elected officials have just made it very clear that you care nothing about your oath of office where in you swore to uphold the United States Constitution, and that you do not care any thing whatsoever about the rights of the people who elected you to office. I would further like to say thank you for violating the open public meeting laws which you yourselves helped to create.
The United States Constitution implies that government was created by the people and for the people to aid them in the conducting of their business.
The United States Constitution has never implied the government was created by the corporations and for the corporations to aid them in the conducting of their business.
WHY ARE OPEN PUBLIC MEETING LAWS IMPORTANT TO US THE PEOPLE??
To protect transparency in government, every state in the United States has some variety of law mandating that all government business be conducted in open meetings to which the public has access. These are sometimes referred to as “sunshine laws,” open government laws, or, in California, the Brown Act. The Oklahoma Court’s decision in Oklahoma Ass’n of Municipal Attorneys v. State (1978) gives a clear statement of why open meetings are important: “If an informed citizenry is to meaningfully participate in government or at least understand why government acts affecting their daily lives are taken, the process of decision making as well as the end results must be conducted in full view of the governed.” (Markkula Center for Applied Ethics)
Looks to me like this isn’t even about the middle class anymore. It is straight de-funding of the Democrats.
Welcome to the one party system.
Please we already have a one party system. Look at what Obama has done? Look what clinton did to help speed up the destruction of the middle class. have we heard a peep from obama about WI? Nope? he will say nothing unless the tide of public opinion becomes so strong and then he will try to ride the wave if he can benefit from it. Tell me how this can be happening in his back door, and he has said nothing. blows my mind and speaks volumes
We have no money but we are fighting endless wars, and now we might enter one in libya. Regardless of what you think, the west has been sucking up to the regime for years, and now pretends it is outraged by the attack on the people. BS!! If we go into libya it shows once again TPTB do what the heck they want and we have no voice. We might live in this world, but it is their playground and we are just crap. Well it is about time the 6 billion plus strong rose up and take them all down. I would start with the banks and the financial system. take that down and we stand a chance
I’m waiting to see what all the Dems will say and do about all this tomorrow. I’m prepared for not much.
What would be the legal basis for a court challenge?
The GOP did indeed promise they would NOT pull the union provision out of the budget and try to vote on it as a separate bill – and they lied – but I doubt that can be reviewed by a court.
Unilaterally cancelling contracts might be against the law.
watching rachel madow right now. she is trying to spin this as a dems vs repub issue? where is the WH in this. What has Obama said? the silence is deafening. this is the TPTB and us. plain and simple. not sure it rachel is naive or a puppet thoughts?
Says who?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anon
just listened to Michael Moore being interviewed by Rachel… This is a call to War folks a call to War… A must see segment…. Mr Moore is pissed and he IS on our side!!
The “Sleeper Has Been Awoken” and the Right is going to feel it’s wrath! Don’t fuck with the worker Bees Koch Brothers and cronies!!
Is anybody else upset about what the governor in Michigan is doing?
How about the banks, another crash is just around the corner, and they are not even sharing their enormous profits with shareholders, the only ones who benefit are the CEO’s.
are you that stupid. his call to war is we fight the repubs. BS where has obama or any of the national dems been on this? SILENT
Yes it is a call to war. A war against our corrupt system. unless you are for “meet the new boss same as the old boss
If you had an ounce of dignity, you would stop imposing yourself on this site repeating yourself over and over again. Why don’t you give KOS the pleasure of your company for awhile.
I understood “anon” to be shorthand for Anonymous, the hacker group. I think the response supports that. I could have been mistaken-I frequently am.
Where has Representative Democracy gone? In Wisconsin’s case, it’s hiding like a group of spoiled 1st graders in Illinois. Judging from the mentality and language used by most on this blog, apparently they didn’t go far past 1st grade either;extremely weak vocabularies.If you wish to blame someone, you should start with your Dem. State Senators who shirked their responsibility and failed to do your bidding.
So in your view, the WI Dems should have willingly sat in the Senate chamber to make symbolic votes as the Rs shoved the legislation down/up (your choice of orifices) rather than to take advantage of the one parliamentary option available to them?
I guess that probably was preferred by folks who didn’t want this legislation to actually be reviewed in the light of day until after it had passed so that it could then be a “surprise” at the provisions busting the unions and allowing no bid sell off of state assets.
I haven’t watched the show, but Moore has a history of going easy on the Democrats. I’m not as sure, but I’ll guess that he also goes easy on the unions.
If Moore wants to do more than fulminate and bloviate, he needs to start taking aim at both corporatist Dems, as well as selfish unions. He could do worse than read the diaries by the malcontent, which lead to the formation* of the “New Progressive Alliance” (NPA). NPA will target corrupt Dems, hopefully not over-aggressively (which is a real concern or mine. It’s just as strategically stupid to try and completely dump every Dem as soon as you can get progressive, non-Dem challengers as it is to to practice a lesser evilist voting strategy.)
Moore should also read, and digest, the “Dump Obama” diaires of jeffroby.
As for giving the myopic, selfish unions a pass, he could start with my own diary American Unions are a Compliant, Selfish Disgrace, Compared to European Unions.
One of the most patriotic and intelligent things that Moore could do is to hire a competent political game theorist, like Bueno de Mesquita, to advise progressives as to strategy. de Mesquita has proven to be twice as accurate as the CIA’s own analysts. You’d think progressives would be smart enought to pool their resources and hire somebody like de Mesquita, but AFAIK, you’d be dead wrong.
Maybe someday de Mequita will critique a proposal such as my own, Recommended Short and Long Term Voting Strategies for the Dump Obama Movement, which clearly needs major tweaking, as elected Dems in WI have given a much better account of themselves than elected Dems at the federal level. Thus, they shouldn’t be dumped, wholesale, even with a view towards getting better Dems from WI elected at the federal level (as I had proposed).
Finally, if the teachers in WI ever decide to fight for the middle class, in general, I hope they exercize their first amendment rights, by printing up fliers calling for the general public to join a non-selfish movement, and distributing them after school, on the public property which surrounds most schools commonly referred to as a “sidewalk”. This can be the beginning, for teachers as workers, or it can be an end. It’s really up to them, but they need to be less myopic, more aggressive (wrt Democrats), less selfish, and more eager to think outside the box. TEACHERS COULD BE A PRIMARY VECTOR FOR CONDUCTING POPULIST MEMES TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, THUS BYPASSING THE CORRUPT MAIN STREAM MEDIA. THEY CAN’T LEGITIMATELY DO THIS DURING CLASS TIMES, BUT THEIR NEAR PROXIMITY TO STUDENTS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SCHOOL DAY ENDS, PLUS THEIR STUDENTS’ FAMILIARITY WITH THEM, REPRESENTS A MARVELOUS ENTRY POINT TO GETTING POLITICAL MESSAGES OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AT LARGE. MOST OF US KNOW SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, EVEN IF WE OURSELVES DON’T HAVE CHILDREN, OR THEY HAVE ALREADY PASSED THROUGH SCHOOL.
THINK, PEOPLE, T-H-I-N-K OF HOW THAT SMALL DEGREE-OF-SEPARATION COULD BE USED TO BYPASS MAIN STREAM MEDIA. For starters, say, with a description of Naomi Klein’s thesis of the shock doctrine, how Glass-Steagall was dumped and the relevance of that fact, etc.
* I hope. It’s still rather murky.