And here’s the Tractorcade!

(It’s a re-link for those who might have missed it earlier.)

They ought to call the bluff baout mass firings; who the hell would they hire to replace all the workers?

this is Awesome news!

the MSM is always a day late and dollar short.

Me Thinks Unions and Progressives should look at taking the money out of Banks that support Walker, and attacking his other buddies businesses.

Me thinks, the rich love money, more than god and walker.

Solidarity!

Ashamed much? Ohio gov forbids broadcast of budget announcement LINK.

(Or maybe it’s fear.)

Koch brothers are blanketing Wisconsin with a very effective anti-union ad. It’s live video and audio of an attorney addressing union members in Wisconsin. He keeps talking about “power,” and it makes all the points the Koch’s want to emphasize.

IMHO, any kind of a strike right now would play into the hands of Gov. Wanker and the Koch brothers. I think the huge demonstration on Saturday in Madison was a much better show of solidarity. The photos of the massive crowds were really compelling. Flipping the state Senate would be huge and it would set up a recall of Walker and his equally wingnut Lt. Governor.

Of course NPR reported the protest at “less than 70,000″ in Madison on Saturday. Fox-Lite, much??

I hope that there are many more solidary marches/protests across the country, as what Walker did in WI has an impact on all workers in the long run.

I did actually see some reference to the recalls of WI state senators in the corporate-owned media this weekend. Given the dramatic events in Japan, I was somewhat surpised that these recalls were given a mention.

Koch brother lackeys and the national guard. It would be the ultimate privatization and not uniques in the annuals of labor history in the U.S.

Walker and his Gestapo escort.

I agree. Granted I have nothing to lose but timid responses from the left in this country to abominable and indefensible actions by the right have resulted in nothing but the situation getting worse and worse. If everybody who are against these kind of policies that are represented in all of the polls I’m seeing put their actions where their mouths are, we could totally shut the economy down. What are they going to do? Fire two thirds of the work force? Who would they replace them with? Is the remaining one third going to triple up and work 24/7?

Can we put the Wanker in one of these? Maybe set it up in the Capitol rotunda?

~~~Mod Note: Let’s not go any further down this path, please~~~

Meanwhile, Alberta Darling, one of the most threatened Republican Senators up for recall

At this moment, it would seem that Randy Hopper has the distinct honor of being the MOST threatened Republican Senator. His wife and housekeeper both singned the recall petition against him.

WI Repub lives outside district with mistress, says wife

I see a lot of talk about tar and feathers on the neighboring boards.

Why are we not hearing about recalls in the state assembly? Won’t get anything set back to rights with only one house flipped…

Sounds like Dems are making the most of this. But is that the best direction for progressives to go in?

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/percent%20results%20post%20recount_120710.pdf

2,160,832 votes were cast in the gubernatorial election in November. Democrats claim to have 56,000 signatures. They need roughly (8/33) x 540,000 = 130,909. The Democrats are 75,000 short of what they need.

Even if 100,000 people demonstrated in Madison this weekend, that’s still less than 80% of what’s needed.

I think the left lacks the attention span to recall the 8 Republicans.

Edit 1:44:

Oh, yes. All the signatures need to be valid.

Rove is blanketing the cablenet airwaves with a similar ad -

but what I really want to say about the ad in WI – is the unions and their growing body of sympathizers have demonstrated the ability to effectively and rapidly pushback on that shit – at the time, it was brilliant political theater, but the day Walker locked the Capitol and the Assembly Dems hauled desks out on to the lawn to meet withh constituents is what I am talking about – and saw it again and again this past month

I think the left lacks the attention span to recall the 8 Republicans.

You also think that Haley Barbour, Pat Buchanan and presumably everybody else who has been on television spouting racism is “smart”. Try to imagine how much I value your opinion here….

To recall a state senator, it is 20% of the votes cast for governor in the district, not the state. To recall Walker, which cannot happen before Jan 2012, you’re correct as to the number of signatures required.

they only need 25% of the votes from the selected 8 districts – not 25% of the total vote – prolly has something to do with the 8 selected, doncha think ?

Evidently, you value it enough to attempt to discredit it.

hey ! did I mention these people are smart and effective ?

WI Labor now deciding what to do with $1B in Pension Fund Deposits

oh hell yeah !

Not at all. I told you that I would continue to remind people that you openly admire racial bigot Haley Barbour. I’m making good on that promise.

I believe it is 25%, not 20%. I adjusted 540,00 to 130,909 to account for the fact that only 8 of 33 are involved.

Protest organizing rule of thumb: for every person who attends a protest or demonstration there are 10 who support their cause.

Recall organizers say they have half of the signatures required. In 15 days with 45 left to obtain the rest.

What Margaret said.

This is a great time to find myself in Senator Alberta Darling’s district. I’ve been able to sign a recall petition and ask others to sign as well. Very soon I’ll be one of many voting her behind out of her finance committee chairmanship. Hard to believe that a very short time ago she was a staunch proponent of public education as well as a Planned Parenthood board member. I suspect she was struck by lightning on the way to Madison.

Welcome !

I don’t believe I ever said I admire Haley Barbour. I said I thought he was smart. Still do.

Since I never said I admire him I doubt I ever said I admire him for being a racial bigot.

Did you buy a Nathan Bedford Forrest commemorative MS license tag? Oh, wait. They’re not available. I guess you can’t have bought one.

Thanks

Of course it does. That’s why I said roughly. I assumed equal numbers of votes were cast in all 33 senatorial districts.

Speaking of Republicans: Apparently Evan Bayh is taking a job with FAUX “News”. What a surprise.

From Wiki

Theodore John “Ted” Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, is an American mathematician, social critic, anarchist, and Neo-Luddite who engaged in a mail bombing spree that spanned nearly 20 years, killing three people and injuring 23 others.

He was smart, too.

Too difficult to research the numbers?

This is real ACTION, not the fake Fox News ,show pictures from different events, pull numbers out of your ass,hillbilly cheer leading newscasters, this is the real deal. Don’t need Karl Rove to lie about it, don’t need the Koch Brothers to finance it, don’t need Dick Army to get drunk and embarrass himself on some show about it, don’t need to bus in the inbred dressed like flags totin guns, this is real. The had tractors baby! The voters are like the Terminator saying “I’ll be back”. However the TeaScrotes will not be back. Ha Ha.

Knock me over with a feather. ha

Ooh that’s it! Say that you think a racist is smart and then when called on it, imply that the person reminding people of that inconvenient fact must be racist as well. “I’m rubber, you’re glue”, is that it? Very sophisticated. No doubt you’ll be ready to hold your own in elementary school soon.

1 out of 10 is a made-up number.

Do you have a link to somebody saying “half”?

omg, just now seeing that our own Jon Walker wrote a post about Unions owning their own banks – dayum I love this place

I don’t know that Barbour is a racist. Do you? How do you know? Was George C. Wallace a racist? Or just practical and canny? How do you know?

Haley Barbour is not smart. He’s slick and slimy just like a lot of criminals, but not smart.

Troll infestation.

I could see a new Democratic majority in the state Senate in late summer basically telling Walker that he will not pass his budget without changes to the collective bargaining parts of the law.

To which he’ll say, “Fine, then we won’t pass a budget. I’m fine with that. Remember I’m from the no-government-is-the-best-government camp.”

There are two serious problems here:

1) Ideology trumps self-interest on a regular basis, even if we assume he cares about getting re-elected at all.
2) It’s not entirely clear there’s any benefit to being re-elected when you can reap huge rewards for “bold” action even after leaving office.

Many people confuse cleverness and a lack of conscience with smart.

If somebody would just make a list of acceptable opinions at FDL, it would make life here so much pleasanter.

Yes I believe he’s a racist and it’s because of all the racist shit he says. And yes Wallace was a racist. “Practical and canny”? How so? He was practical and canny enough to lose a presidential race badly and then he was practical and canny enough to get his ass shot and crippled with a shortened lifespan. I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean…

Margaret is a troll. She hijacked the thread and moved it to Haley Barbour.

Your opinions are perfectly acceptable. Have you been modded? still I’m not going to let you get away with giving people the wrong impression of who you really are.

The Koch Brothers are dumping gasoline on a fire.

Me thinks the UNIONS should take their money out of banks that like Gov. Walker and do a lot of business with Koch Brothers.

Progressives and Unions are only in this position because of the evil work of people like Obama, Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, other trojan horse dems.

Progressives and Unions need to get rid of blue dog aka trojan horse dems and replace them with real dems

what good are blue dogs Dems?

how do blue dogs dems help the dem party?

it is time that Progressives and Unions drew hard lines in the sand.

Name calling now. I’ll bet your accusation of my being a troll will be very well received.

You must be joking.

Well, who hijacked the thread? I recall you complaining about trolls hijacking threads. What’s sauce for the goose…

Well, now we know who the troll is and it isn’t Margaret.

I’ll know now to pull up Troll Bingo when I see your name so everybody can play.

Here are some numbers for ya.. Will Sharpen your rhetoric!

Wallace lived to be 79. Actually, people with long term disabilities, say if they’ve survived for 5 years or more, have mortality which approaches a normal life.

Gov. Walker will get tremendous push back from the GOP Wisconsin, if he destroys the entire party in the state of Wisconsin.

Gov. Walker actions are not popular among a lot of GOP potential statewide and presidential candidates.

Gov. Walker they say wants to be the next Reagan, that is not going to happen now.

Gov Walker clearly mis-calculated here.

I agree with a lot of what you said.

Me thinks the Union plan to take their money out of certain banks, will go a long way towards destroying people like Gov. Walker.

HE is not smart enought to keep his mouth shut when it comes to the Citizens Councils. He thought they were the good guys but actually they were just the KKK without the costumes. Oh by the way I suggest you watch Mississippi Burning to get a real flavor of what was going on in Mr. Barbours neighborhood…..

Cool page.

Lordy! Not surprised, but: gaaaah! Guess Bayh got his from Jabba the Ailes, so EFF his erstwhile “constituents.” I guess I should give Bayh a teensy piece of “credit” for being obvious about his greed & venality, but on second thought: naaaah! What a low-life; guess where he’s going Bayh will fit right in with the rest of the bought-off Elitist scum suckers. For shame!

79? Really? Well then I stand corrected on that part. He still got his ass shot and confined to a wheelchair.

Did you come up with a link in which somebody said “half”? I doubted you could. Your whole post was just made-up stuff, then? 1 in 10 and 50% both, just made-up?

It’s over 45%. Not quite half but you’re picking nits, desperately trying to recover some of the credibility you’ve surrendered.

OUT! Where are those damn flags when you need them?

Apparently you didn’t read the post. The link is in the second sentence of the second paragraph.

Rule of thumb: A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation. It is an easily learned and easily applied procedure for approximately calculating or recalling some value, or for making some determination

From Wiki

This particular rule of thumb figure comes from anti-war protests in the 60s and 70s.

Perhaps Barbour is smart by your standards.

Obama is going to follow Bayh to Fox.

Why does someone like Bayh call themselves a Dem? WHY? this is the new evil, the elites are practicing.

The people of Wisconsin and all around the nation better be careful.

Me thinks, a lot of GOPers are going to switch to the Dem party in Wisconsin, and become trojan horse like Bayh and Obama.

Wisconsin Dems need to check out, every new dem that joins the party and wants to run for office.

Me Thinks the people of Wisconsin better beware of Trojan Horses.

Gov. Walker has made the GOP toxic in Wisconsin

Bush made the GOP toxic Nationally, and we Progressives ended up with a Trojan Horse name Obama

Did you live through it or did you just see the movie? Are you saying you were going to vote for him but now you won’t? Do you think Barbour loses any sleep over what FDL thinks of him? Do you think Barbour lost any votes among the folks who read FDL? I mean people changing from “for” to “against”?

Here is how the Repub brainwashing goes:

1) Times are tough for all.

2) The members of Public Unions negotiated good deals in anticipation that things may not go well all the time.

3)The state agreed to these deals

4) Most regular folks did not CHOOSE to participate in public or government jobs and therefor do not have pension plans.

5) Since most of the public don’t have pension plans and most union members do the Public should be mad at Union memebers for having the forsight to prepare for retirement by getting a job that helps them prepare for retirement.

6) It is the unions fault that Banks screwed everyone and made the government bail them, the banks, out.

7) It is the unions fault that banks are forclosing on unemployed folks who don’t have union jobs.

8) It is the unions fault that banks are not lending money to small businesses.

9) It is the unions fault that the tax base is shrinking because the manufactoring base has left the country so they can get more money for the folks who have never worked an honest days work in their lives (see Koch Brothers).

10 ) It is the unions fault that an earthquake hit Japan and killed thousands.

Why does someone like Bayh call themselves a Dem? WHY?

Because his dad was one and he needed the party apparatus. Spoiled rich kid though. After they got him elected, he immediately crapped on the party. His picture will be the one beside the word “Vichycrat” when it makes it into the dictionary.

You made “half” up? Right?

So what if they support the cause? You’re muddying the waters. Nobody was checking residences. I’m talking about “recall.” Nobody knows if the people were from the 8 Republican senatorial districts or if they were even from WI.

Thank you. The strike is the most effective tool unions have to bring about change. A well organized state wide strike of all local and state public workers would shut everything down. There is no way Wanker & Co. could replace 100,000+ state and local workers. Unions have been sufficiently cowed into avoiding the strike at all costs and too many on the left who should no better have bought into it.

Nobody was checking residences.

Oh? and your evidence and link for that is? See, this is where you’re confused about the definition of a “troll”. You are picking nits about less than five percent with something SD said, then in the same paragraph you make an unsupported claim that there was no checking of the residency of the people who were signing the petitions. No evidence to support that claim. No basis for it and no link to it. So what SD said = minor exaggeration, what you said = unsupportable claim. Are you getting the difference now?

Why is Obama a Dem? :)

Bayh and his kind are at the heart of what is wrong with the USA. (everybody wants to be a con artist)

real dems don’t need to start a 3rd party, they need to kick people like Bayh and Obama out of the Dem party.

also the MSM that is owned by people like the Koch Brothers will tell the USA masses that Bayh is a progressive.

thank god for outlets like FDL, that allows real dems to call out Trojan Horses like Bayh and Obama

You want to play semantic games and engage in circular arguments. I’m done playing with you today. xin loi

You mean somebody said it was 45%, without mentioning how many were actually needed. It’s not 45% of 130,909. Of course, not all will be valid.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

You added a lot. Thanks.

Why is Obama a Dem?

Because he started his political career in Chicago.

Agree. I wish Obama would be more like Quitter Palin, and just quit NOW. Get it over with… and then the Great Pretender can just make it official that he’s getting bought and paid off by the Elites. Obama can be as lazy he likes, and just like Palin, pick up easy ca$h for spouting off some nonsense on FAUX. Why not?

I agree that Blue Dogs like Bayh who call themselves “Democrats” are lying POS and do much harm to the nation, to what is left of the elusive “Demcoratic” party, and to their constituents. Bastards!

Did you even read the post? Did you follow the top link back to WaPo?

SD was talking about attending a protest or demonstration, when he said 10%. That’s what I was referring to. You’re talking about something else.

I think I’m talking about more like 7%, in the recall department.

What SD said. Later gvandergrift. Next time you pop up though I’m going to be here reminding people how much you admire racists.

Yes, good explanation: Bayh is a legacy silver-spoon spoiled rich kid. Cannot comprehend what his father thinks at this stage. Bayh definitely exemplies today’s Vichyrat to a “T,” esp with the new gig pooping out Roger Ailes’ propoganda for lotsa ca$h-dollah$….

I read the link before I started posting. Did you read the link?

You’re quitting?

You’re saying you’re going to hijack another thread? That’s basically a form of ad hominem argument you’re planning to make. However, if that’s all you’ve got…

maggie here can be a bully – others here have things to say too.

Please just scroll by the OT nonsense that a few here like to throw out to those “less worthy”.

Anyone that has been reading this blog for years soon learns that a few people here regularly co-opt threads because they actually have no ability to write a diary that anyone would read.

It is a shame, because there really should be more a national dialog about these recalls.

Those that would disrupt this thread with nonsense really are not friends of liberals and progressives.

The events in Wisconsin right now are a lot bigger than a few of the petty egos here.

You added a lot. Thanks.

Do you REALLY think you have added anything of value to this thread..
Fucking A I won’t some of that delusional DRUG your taken.. I haven’t read a comment from you that added one iota to this thread… But I do love the last part of your nom de plume “grift” is that like grifter?? Because you sure fit the nom de plume…

I did the arithmetic.

What did you add? Earnestness? Bad manners? Anything else?

Christ. gvandergrift, et al.

You DID!! Freeking amazing!!!
BTW how ya getting paid for this gig you are playing?? Union Wages??
Oh and I did live through all the BS you have bitched about sonny boy..

Meh. You’d be surprised. There’s probably a whole lot lower that employment could go before we started seeing significant supply shocks. The real hurt would probably come from the increased drop in demand, but then that’s due to the acute distress taken on by those on strike by foregoing their wages.

Anyone that has been reading this blog for years soon learns that a few people here regularly co-opt threads because they actually have no ability to write a diary that anyone would read

You started off making an “ok point,” but imo metaphorically shot yourself in the foot by behaving like a bully yourself. Just a thought that if you want to set a higher “tone” for the conversation, then don’t indulge in smearing others or bullying. It’s up to you, of course. Whatever….

Good Post!

Unions and Progressives in the great state of Wisconsin, have better keep a watchful eye, because some GOPers are going to do a Bayh or Obama and join the DEM party. (Gov. Walker has made the GOP toxic in Wisconsin)

Hillary = Obama, Obama = Bush, in 2008, Progressives and Unions got Con, big time. (the elites knew no GOP candidate had a chance of winning in 2008. so they stacked the Dem party with Trojan Horses)

the elites are all about creating Trojan Horses to attack and hurt progressives and unions.

Progressives and Unions need to be aware of the Trojan Horse.

with the Dem base waking up, I expect new Trojan Horses to be created to stop Unions and Progressives.

Me Thinks, FDR, JFK, LBJ, would have came to Madison, and put on their marching shoes.

Unfortunately, probably the multitudes of desperate 99ers.

I guess, according to your own reckoning, you added nothing. Or maybe you didn’t understand the question?

Do you understand the difference between substantiated and unsubstantiated?

My mother drove me to school the 1st day I was in 3rd grade. That would be hard for me to substantiate. So, it’s kind of a waste of time for me to say it. You would have a lot of trouble substantiating whether or not I am paid to post here. So, it’s kind of a waste of time for you to say it. Dang, you’re earnest though. IMO, you have all the correct opinions. Do you do any thinking for yourself?

Haley Barbour doesn’t have to be smart because he knows his status as Republican royalty gives him inviolability.

We’re talking about the man who, to push the Republicans over the top during the 1994 midterms, collected a few million from the Chinese Communist government via their bagman Ambrous Tung Young during a midnight yacht ride in Hong Kong’s harbor, and then sat back and smiled as the Republicans he helped elect started yammering on about Clinton and Gore’s nonexistent “Chinagate” — a scandal whose chief exponent, FBI agent James Smith, just happened to have for a mistress a woman, Katrina Leung, who turned out to be a deep-cover spy for China as well as a prominent California Republican.

Dang you were lucky I was never driven to school… Hows that silver spoon taste anyway?

The more trolls show up to play disruptor games, the more it shows that their puppetmasters (if not their actual paymasters) fear us. (Either that, or someone at the RNC is trying out his new Persona Management software.)

Hmm I think so… I helped bring the internet to life… but you would never believe me any way you have set your self in stone. good luck and next time DO have the links to back Your crap up with it would help ya know.. You always want other posters to provide them for you….Original creative thinking at work..

Can you prove you were never driven to school? Can you prove you weren’t born with a silver spoon in your mouth?

Prove you brought the Internet to life.

I linked to the vote total in WI’s gubernatorial election.

No snark, I really want to know. What do you think the chances are of a strike killing off the good feeling already generated for the unions? That’s the primary thing that worries me, aside from the fact that Gov Walker will undoubtedly attempt to replace all the striking workers. Whether or not that’s possible, I don’t know.

George is here because the very topic of this thread — the fact that the Egregious Eight are going to get booted out of office this summer if not sooner — frightens him.

So does the fact that in Washburn — the tiny town of Washburn, set in a part of Wisconsin about as far away from Milwaukee and Madison as one can get and still be in the Badger State — Walker was greeted by a crowd of protesters 2,000 persons strong, twice as many as live in the entire town.

So does the fact that Walker’s managed to destroy the GOP’s automatic hold on the loyalties of the police and firefighters’ unions — and not just in Wisconsin. Some of the most energetic protesters, and some of the best organized, have been the cops and firefolk.

Nah na nah na nah… can you?? I could cause Mom didn’t get a license till Dad passed away at 68.. Shit by then I had 2 kids..

Which trolls are you referring to?

Who played disruptor games in this thread?

Not boxfetish, but I suspect there won’t be a strike for the reasons David mentions in this post. Instead there will be actions like this one: http://www.dane101.com/current/2011/03/10/firefighters_target_mi_bank_for_executive_support_of_walker

“oh hell yeah !” times 10, at least! Go Wisconsin!

Wow, you really are afraid, aren’t you?

Poor dear, wasting your time here when you could be inventing multiple personae to use to post in various newspapers.

Just saying facts that you can check yourself. Please do so, but whether or not you want to agree with me 100 percent on everything doesn’t matter.

FACT: If you read these threads daily, you will see that maggie attacks attacks attacks.

Today, it totally undermined the topic of this thread – an important national issue.

But it wasn’t just today – just go back and read other threads.

It isn’t bullying to call out a bully that is trolling in a thread and attacking people about things that are totally off-topic.

I think the low hanging fruit has already signed the recall petitions.

It takes something on the order of 16,000 valid signatures to initiate a recall election for 1 of the Republican 8. Or for 1 of the Democratic 8, for that matter. So, even if everybody at the demonstration in Washburn signed, that’s about 12% or so of those needed, if Washburn is even represented by 1 of the 16 subject to posssible recall.

I did see that PW.. I am proud that they have supported the Teachers… Walker has screwed the pooch as the saying goes.. He will be toast next spring along with all the Pukes in Wisconsin.. They will reap the seeds they have sown. And boy have they earned to be unemployed!
I mean WTF are they crazy going after the kids future by driving Teachers out of their Profession and it is a profession/calling. Why else would they want to give up much better paying jobs in the private sector if they weren’t called to teach in their hearts and minds?

They are half way there in 11 days!

They have 49 more days to go!

The recall elections will happen. More people showed up to demonstrate against walker in a tiny Wisconsin town Sat night than actually live in that town – in northern WI!

Whistle past the graveyard if you like, but repugs are sh!ttin’ bricks over what is happening.

No. Even Democrats don’t claim to be halfway there. They say they have 56,000. Probably not all of them are valid. They probably need about 75,000 more, even if all the 56,000 are valid.

I will believe it if/when I see it.

Do you think they will gather many signatures the next 4 days? Before the weekend? I don’t.

I bet that’s hard to prove. I’d guess you’re not a big fan of empiricism. Of evidence. Am I right?

They do claim to be halfway there, but I will not give you a link cuz you don’t believe in them either.

They are not releasing numbers by district, but folks collecting and coordinating the sigs do claim to be halfway there even if you don’t want to believe it.

Hell, when thousands show up in tiny Wisconsin towns to protest, it ain’t really that hard to get sigs.

Not to mention the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS that have demonstrated in madison over the past 2 weeks.

According to DDay’s link to the WaPo, according to the Democratic Party of WI, they do not claim to be halfway there, as of 1:48 PM ET today. Somebody might be playing public relations games and intentionally under or over estimating.

Something else that ought to be said: it would be possible to register new voters, and then have them sign the recall petitions.

Something else that ought to be said: it would be possible to register new voters, and then have them sign the recall petitions.

Gee why didn’t I think of that.. Would that mean they shouldn’t be able to participate? If so that would be very undemocratic and prolly against the WI constitution you know the document that guides their Government.

PW,
Way late and the threads have moved 3 or 4 above this, but I just had to compliment your comments.
Joining this site Christmas Day 2005 in the depths of depression over Bush and his minions, FDL gave me hope and I truly can say that your opinion on this trolling is spot on.
I wish that we could just scroll the troll and move on with what is important in the thread but the trolls have a way of hijacking us lately.
Your comment is much appreciated.

I haven’t followed gvandergrift’s comments enough to know what’s what, but I’m just going to chime in on the idea of “smart” when it comes to enemies, racists, reichwingers, etc. Basically, I think a lot of them are smart, very smart, and that’s what makes them especially dangerous. As proof I offer the history of them being able to fool large numbers of people into voting against their own best interests.

FWIW, I think Obama is incredibly smart, too. And especially evil because that intelligence allowed him to perpetrate such a fraud on the voters. He didn’t fool everyone, but he sure fooled huge numbers, including many bloggers, pundits, progressive organization honchos and so forth who have now been forced to acknowledge the truth about him and his adminstration.

Another example of “smart” is Hitler. Mussolini was a buffoon, and Stalin just a classic strongmen, but Hitler was both smart and evil, and that made him more dangerous than either of the other two.

We disregard or deny the intelligence of our enemies at our own peril.

The party is keeping their mouth shut for strategic reasons. THEY ARE NOT SAYING THEY HAVEN’T GOT 1/2 EITHER!

Folks that are working the drives are saying it – you have no information at all other than your imagination and political philosophies.

So you want to assume they don’t have it…

Thanks for showing everyone the integrity and honesty of your dialog.

The trolls don’t actually “hijack” – a few regulars that bate and insult them throughout the thread actually do the hijacking.

Folks that just scroll past stoooopid sh!t understand this. Those that have to feed trolls don’t.

Why does any regular here read what this person posts anyhow? They are not bringing anything to the thread and they are not changing anyone’s mind either.

I don’t understand why anyone thinks they look good poking a troll with a stick over and over again in a single thread.

It’s already begun.

Last Thurs I believe a couple of local firefighters took their $192K out of M&I Bank (large Walker donor) to the cheers of loud protests outside. The bank closed for the day.

The $$ withdrawn was over 4x the $$ the bank had given Walker’s campaign.

http://www.thenation.com/article/159190/walker%E2%80%99s-big-bank-donors-take-hit

From the Nation article:

A senior union researcher estimates that unions have at least $1 billion invested in M&I Bank, mostly through pension funds. Discussions are going on at the highest levels of the labor movement about how exactly to leverage this financial clout in the political debate in Wisconsin.

@free spirithttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/nearly-half-of-signatures-collected-to-recall-wisconsin-gop-state-senators-dems-say/2011/03/03/ABhVvQV_blog.html

Did you read the article at the link DDay posted? The Democrats say they have over 45% and over 56,000 signatures.

You have no information other than rumor.

I meant to answer this earlier.

Everybody in the Assembly was elected in November. 1 needs to be in office a year in WI in order to be recalled. So nobody is now eligible to be recalled.

Did I say the left lacks the attention span to recall the 8 Republicans? Well, it does.

In 1965-66 Dick Gregory told a large crowd in Houston Texas to just go home and at exactly 8PM flush the toilet. The city would be immobilized. We laughed but did not do it. (At the time, remember, Houston had several African American wards and suburbs isolated from each other and a segregated school system that just began integration – 34 tenth graders in a single high school and about the same number of 4th graders in a single grade school, to be exact.)

I was saying that the commemorative Nathan Bedford Forrest MS tag is not available. There was a bout of high dudgeon and very grave self-righteousness at FDL a month ago about the Forrest tag. Barbour said the commemorative tag would not happen. It hasn’t. There are probably 3 weeks remaining in the Mississippi legislative session. The clamor was sound and fury signifying nothing. And about nothing. It woulda coulda have happened. But didn’t.

In reality gvandergrift tried to co opt the thread with an unsubstantiated claim that the signatures will never be obtained and that the Dems and unions were too lazy to suceed.

If he/she posits opinion rather than fact I see no reason Mags shouldn’t be allowed.

(and I actually like gvandergrift from time to time)

You don’t even have the benefit of a romour for your statement.

Did you read the article at the link? The numbers gathered so far were provided by a party spokesman.

I provided an idea of how many are needed. I provided the number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial election. So, in some sense, my statement was substantiated.

I didn’t say anybody was lazy. I said they lack the attention span.

I also didn’t say the signatures never will be obtained.

I don’t know what a Mag is. Is that English?

Do you expect another demonstration of 100,000 this weekend? I don’t. Is the capitol still occupied?

The Democrats lack about 75,000 signatures to trigger recall elections for all 8. I think 8 recall elections are something other than a fait accompli. Not to mention successful recalls. Oops. More opinion. So sorry.

For the umpteen millionth time, district recalls are determined by district vote totals.

Even if you stick your fingers in your ears that fact is not going to change. You sound stupid every time you insist that those totals hinge on the governors election totals.

Try this: Divide 56,000 by .45. That’s the something like the number of signatures Democrats claim to need. You really should read the links provided. Also, you should think about what you read.

I already mentioned that absent more precise info, I’ll assume the same number of votes were cast in each of the state’s 33 districts. I also think the left is arithmetically challenged. That’s probably why they’re so pollyannaish about the recall. Not only has nobody said EXACTLY how many signatures are needed, I doubt any journalist has thought to ask.

Great video!

why do people always think that in order to support Gov. Walker you are rich? I am a working middle class American and I don’t get any free handouts from anyone. I keep wondering how all of these protestors are able to afford to take time off of work? who is paying them? are they on welfare? Are the unions supporting them financially? Is it just more of my tax dollars supporting special interest groups? I am a registered Independent and I have to tell you the low down classless way the left wing is handling protests is a shame. Politics is just that..politics. In two years it will swing the other way and I can guarantee you that you aren’t going to see Republicans and those independents that support Gov. Walker acting like a bunch of Mafia issuing death threats. I keep hearing Nazi and Dictator being thrown around in reference to our Governor. The only people acting like bullies are those that are posturing outside the capital. Get a Grip America. There are NO free lunches in life…well…for most of us. I would also like to point out that people that have a larger income have it for a reason..they’ve worked their butts off for it. Are there Republicans with born with silver spoons? yes there are..but the last time I checked the Kennedy’s weren’t exactly poor. Take a look at your Democratic Senators incomes folks. You think they care about you? No, they don’t. They care about themselves like most politicians. It’s just a game on both sides.

I will concede that there is the risk of some fallout from a general strike. I think it’s a bit early for one. However, if Prosser wins the SC seat and the illegal bill that passed last Wed/Thu doesn’t get overturned in the courts, then it will be time for a general strike of *all* public union employees everywhere in the state. This is true in spite of how negatively it will be spun in the media and how Walker will attempt to replace workers.