Here’s something you never hear from conservatives: doubt. And it comes along with a realization that the awakened mass movement that started in Wisconsin is more organized, more energized and more ready to win.
“It’s clear that Democrats and liberal organizations are engaging in an attempt to make recall more than a mere hypothetical possibility for some Wisconsin Republicans,” said Liz Mair, Vice President of Hynes Communications and former RNC Online Communications Director, who has worked closely with officials on the ground in Wisconsin. “Even though Governor Walker acted to end the impasse, Republicans and conservatives should not be acting like this is done and dusted.”
A conservative activist working inside the state on recall efforts was even more explicitly distraught. The Wisconsin Republican Party, the operative said, was not lending resources to the recall campaign groups had launched against Democratic Senators, in turn causing those groups to narrow their target list down from eight lawmakers to just three.
“It would be nice if the Republican Party, operatives, etc, would step in with a little money,” said the activist, who asked to remain nameless lest he draw the GOP even further away from the recall effort. “But they are talking about doing radio and I’m not sure that gets you signatures.”
“Sure, the first battle was won with the passing of the bill,” the activist added, “but the war is not won. If they come in and recall some of those state senators and none of the Democrats get knocked out, that’s not good for the republicans at all…it is a bit of a mystery to me. You would think they would want to make sure all these [recall] efforts are successful.”
Indeed, that first battle isn’t even secured. The Dane County DA has filed a complaint in circuit court alleging that the conference committee used to pass the anti-union bill violated open meetings laws. While that suit “does not address the merits or the wisdom of the legislation,” according to the DA, there are other lawsuits working through the system that do, and an injunction could well appear before the March 25 publication date.
In other words, the mass movement is working on a number of fronts – in the courts, in the streets, and with the ballot petitions. This is a state-based progressive movement that has had no need for national Democrats or their poll-watching, continuously compromised manner. They are using principle rather than an individual politician as a rallying cry, and they believe they can build the movement into a political force. And they have buy-in from the state Democratic Party, with a unanimity between the politicians and the grassroots.
Meanwhile, the conservative recall effort comes out of Utah, isn’t familiar with the ground, doesn’t have institutional support, and has scaled back their aims down to three Senators from eight. The conservative from Utah claimed 50% support toward his goals in “the districts we’re targeting,” which again are fewer than on the Democratic side, but there’s no reason to actually believe that, given the disarray.
So there’s a discrepancy here. And the movement has spread. Last night in Washington, progressives occupied the lobby of the building where Wisconsin Republicans were benefiting from a corporate-backed fundraiser. Other rallies have taken place across the country, from Michigan to Florida, from California to Ohio, from Tennessee to Indiana, and beyond.
My favorite detail related to this? After Wisconsin Republicans finished their vote last week, they commandeered a bus – a public bus – to get out of the area. Four individuals filed a resolution “Requesting the Metro Manager seek full reimbursement for the cost of providing special service to the State of Wisconsin and that the Metro Manager no longer provide services shuttling State of Wisconsin employees and officials other than members of the Capitol or University Police Department.” Brilliant. You cannot stop the creativity and organization of this new movement.



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Thanks for reminding me, David — gotta get out the phonebankers for JoAnn Kloppenberg so she can defeat longtime Wisconsin state legislator, movement Republican and Walker ally David Prosser in his bid to be re-elected to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Election Day is April 5: http://www.kloppenburgforjustice.com/
Prosser’s been trying to run away from his extreme far-right history, which is amusing considering the Club for Growth just spent over $400,000 in TV ads for him during the primary for this race. That’s three times as much as the other primary candidates combined.
WI Dems: Walker’s Frank Luntz Visit Broke the Law
“The Feb. 23 meeting with Luntz was a secret to the public and press until this week, after a Milwaukee newspaper obtained Walker’s calendars and revealed the meeting. Today, the Wisconsin Democratic Party will announce that it believes Walker broke the law by meeting with Luntz, a party rep tells Mother Jones.”
LINK.
nice to have good news. go wisconsin!!
Yeah, this is what you get when you think you can buy or bully your way around 50+ years of a workers’ rights movement. None of Walkers’ backers would dare show their face on the street with a clipboard asking for signatures to support Walker or his criminal Repug cronies.
Think how wonderful it would be if a third party for working people & the poor should come forth from Wisconsin.
Won’t surprise me if Pelosi,Obama,Reid & the rest of the corrupt DNC are trying to co-opt Wisconsin,let’s hope that the people in Wisconsin are on their p’s & q’s.
I’m looking forward to the FDL recall party this time next year. In fact, it looks like it might be a major occurance from other states as well. Let’s see, FL, OH, IN, and on.
Go, Wisconsin! Power to the PEOPLE!
Any update on what % of required signatures have been collected?
A third party would be the best thing to come out of this. Meanwhile the D.C. Ds are staying out of it bc they can’t breathe if they leave their bubble.
They’ll send their operatives in if the workers win to try to coopt the success.
MI constitution allows guv to be recalled in July.
This is just too awesome for words.
And it’s ‘war’ on several fronts! Way to go Wisconsin.
Cue film of Churchill rallying England …
Today’s winnah!
It would be the most excellent opportunity we’ve had.
As far as the Dem ops putting a wrench in it, I’ll have to say it will definitely be their end of the line.
awesome it is! Peeps at the Capitol.
Don’t forget that the PeasantParty and Good Deed have a boycott on store purchased eggs for the month of April. Only buy local farm fresh eggs.
That is wonderful. Thanks
cbl dug that one up. Stole it from her on facebook.
like McCain yelling at cloud, oldnslow will tell ya I have been yelling for over a month now -
these good people in Wisconsin are o-r-g-a-n-i-z-e-d & r-e-s-p-o-n-s-i-v-e
they also happen to be blessed with state orgs that you know, actually listen to their base (frankly woe be unto them if they didn’t)
have allowed myself what sounds a little like magical thinking, but it’s as if there really is some force for good in the universe and it sent us Wisconsin
Ian’s Peepza – kills me !
Really good news. We can hope that the wingnuts have finally gone too far, but should never take anything for granted. Not one inch to these gangsters. Zero. Zip. Nada…
Making this a democrat vs republican issue is a huge mistake.
That really does not sq with the notation that the GOP has support for this in their own districts. I am doubting the 50% claim of support in the 3 dem districts getting a GOP recall.
Word
Edit 12:28
The story at Huffington Post linked to by DDay is nearly completely free of numbers and dates, with the exception that Republican efforts are down to targeting 3 Democrats instead of 8. People in the article said things at some point in the past. That could be yesterday or last week.
As far as the efforts to recall 8 Republicans, what is the exact total number of signatures required and what is the last date the signatures can be presented?
It also turns out that the conservatives trying to recall Democratic Senators had to scramble to find a local partner to file recall paperwork because they didn’t have legal standing to do so. Markos thinks this represents a shift in momentum. It is a good sign but I don’t know if I’d go as far as that. It’s also important to note that Markos is only interested in electing Democrats, policy after they get elected, not so much.
fyi – that 101st Fighting Keyboarder in Utah is the same guy who tried to recall Arizona sheriff who called for gun safety sanity in the wake of the Giffords Tragedy – um, how’s that workin out for ya ?
Not backing down on this issue and letting people protest for weeks was just adding gas to the fire we owned the news until the japanese nuclear reactor story for weeks even if the news coverage was slanted.
GOP tv ads saying union jobs are paid more than regular employees fall flat because teacher pay is a joke and almost everyone but elitists GOPers it seems knows a teacher.
Go Wisconsin, show us the way !!!!!
Go WI!!
Never. Give. Up.
You shoulda explained that to Walker and his Republican cronies.
As far as most of us are concerned this is a people versus the oligarchy thing since there are even a number of average everyday Republicans that thought Walker and the Wisconsin righties took it too far.
60 days from March 3rd is the final date the signatures must be presented.
The total needed by District:
Other FAQs answered here.
Nice try. You wanted to play semantic games and make circular arguments with this question the other day.
Actually, on edit, I’m going to take that down. I don’t have time to play this afternoon. Go ahead and troll Mr gvandergrift.
Hah, they had to lower their expectations to 3 seats. Way sweet!
How many people in the state depend on the teachers and nurses there?
have thought of you a zillion times this since this magilla started
Wisconsin is an incredibly clear example of what you godless socialists (along w/ some cats named Reed & Chomsky) have been telling us forevah – quit devoting so much focus and energy on national electoral politics, and organize and educate locally
If you build it they will come
Choke! Ho Lawdy!
Recall efforts are what we need in other states over this issue how are they going? We can’t wait for Wisconsin because we might fail its best not to put all our eggs in one basket plus a multi state recall of GOPers will get more news coverage.
President Benito is speaking now. Says no radiation to reach the US. Asked the Nuclear Regulatory comm. to examine. Want to help Japan. etc.
It’s a real head scratcher who people are going to side with. Politicians who basically thumbed their noses at constituents who said that they didn’t want collective bargaining done away with or the person you are entrusting your child or your health and well being to.
The GOP overplayed their hand on this and it’s bringing me great joy to see them squirm.
Me too! I hope they have some biting ants in the pants from now on.
Liveblog of the Prez up top…
WOW, something to be excited about!
This is what democracy looks like!
I’m talking with some people about getting a recall amendment added to the FL constitution by referendum.
I can certainly round up a shitload of fire ants to add to the cause. Hooo, doggie!
New Kicks
Whoopty fuckin’ doo. *g* His voice now grates on me nerves just as much as Shrub’s did.
BTW, those four individuals petitioning the bus company, they’re city alders!
Thanks. Very interesting. I reach a total of 138,671.
I think it’s odd that the numbers are “estimated.” It would seem to me that the votes in November’s gubernatorial race would be long since determined, and that it would be easy enough to calculate 25% in a given district.
I wonder if everybody is working from the same numbers? By that I mean if somebody says they have 45% statewide, do they mean 45% of 138,671? Is everybody using 138,671?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
While I have been very energized, motivated and hopeful over the last 4 weeks, those feelings have been tempered by the reality of people like my wife who is applying to retire early after 32 years leaving so many of her friends and professional colleagues behind in a district that has given pink slips to every single professional staff and has stated that they will not follow negotiated procedure and seniority in call-backs. Another reality is that all teachers in the public schools in Wisconsin and all state workers will be working essentially without a union or a contract for at least a year until the recall of the fascist senators and the governor are completed. The possibility of the rump budget that Governor shitforbrains has offered also bears down on any feelings of excitment or hope because even if the people are successful in all the recall efforts and Feingold is elected next March, even then it will take at least 4 years and two complete budget cycles just to get back to where we were on January 2,2011. The chaos and confusion of putting contracts and negotiated procedures back in place will take at least 2 years and longer in some cases that may require action in state court.
So with that said, I can see a real possibility that the progressive forces that have been unleashed in this state can actually coalesce into a structure of institutionalized progressive politics. More importantly, I believe that can happen within the structure of what is now the Democratic Party…Obama has done us a favor by not puttin the stink of his scent anywhere close to this movement or the state party. If successful in the recall efforts and if a strong, “independent” polititian with some established statewide following (read Feingold here) can win the recall election, an independent state Democratic Party could become a template for other states like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey who have existing political infrastucture and elected representatives. This could be a nightmare for Obama and the evil spawn of the Richard Daley political crime family.
Since women seem to be fueling the engine of this movement, I think we can multi-task and connect with larger movements on issues like the wars, jobs, oil and “no nuclear” to make the Democratic primaries and the Democratic Convention very interesting in 2012. My battle cry is gunna be “1968 a very good year”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR IS RIGHT BACK WHERE ITSTARTED!!
I couldn’t make the link work, but I saw this: “Protesters seize DC bldg during WI GOP fundraiser” (Wednesday, March 16, 2011)
It doesn’t go by total. Each district will have their own amount of signatures to come up with.
So for Cowles to be recalled they only need 15,960 in his district. Hopper’s disctrict would need 15,290…..there is no cumulative requirement.
Here’s great coverage and photos:
http://www.first-draft.com/2011/03/badgers-dc-version.html
I understand there is no cumulative requirement.
You will recall that DDay had a post on Monday, quoting from a WaPo blog, which in turn quoted a spokesman for the WI Dem Party. The numbers 45% and 56,000 were used.
56,000 is not 45% of 138,671. It is 40.38%.
45% of 138,671 is 62,402.
In any event, until 138,671 signatures are gathered, there is zero chance of recalling ALL 8 Republican Senators.
And why are the numbers needed “estimated”?
Just witness the near 90% recall of the mayor or Miami, a liberal community, for raising taxes and raising public employee wages and you will sense the real movement.
The writing in on the wall.
People want a fair system of public employee relations with the taxpayers, not some paid off politicians looking out for their re-election and the interests of the entire body of citizens. THAT era is over.
It is a long battle, but the end is clear. People are hip to whats been going on now. They won’t go back in the dark.
Time for the public union to sit across from someone they haven’t paid off.
Carlos Alvarez was the mayor of Miami-Dade County, not of the City of Miami. If Miami-Dade is such a liberal community, why is it that it sends 3 Republican Cuban-Americans to the House of Representatives? Republican US Senator Marco Rubio is also a resident of Miami-Dade County.
Please support the effort to recall WI State Senator Alberta Darling (R).
https://secure.actblue.com/page/recalldarling
Coming in late to the thread. That peep show is just wonderful!!
Yada yada yada. I am long past caring what he says.
The recall signatures must be gathered before what date?
May 2, 2011 is a Monday, something like 60 days after Thursday, March 3. If the organizers of the recall have been efficient, what they have done is given themselves 9 weekends to gather signatures.
Earning your pay again sonny? Would you like to learn a little economics, or is that over your pay grade? Here’s a simple test, Who paid the most to get the current FLA and WI governors elected? Get that one right and we will proceed to the deeper question of comparison of public employee wages with the wages of persons with similar qualifications in the private sector. If you even come close to getting that right, we can then start talking about the so-called economics of government monopoly, though this is not above your pay-grade. This is on another planet from the hole you inhabit.
I would like to say, get a life. But maybe you should get as brain first. Life seems unattainable for the likes of you.
Gee, I guess the Wisconsin Republicans think that they might have trouble raising funds at home. I guess that’s what happens when you decide that your sponsors are more important than your constituents.
The numbers are estimated because as usual the little republican cockroaches will try to cheat and bleat their way out of removal, so extra is nice.
It won’t matter anyway, they’re on their way out the door and they know it.
Scumbags.
“Estimated” is a ridiculous term. Either you know the number or you don’t.
2,160,832 votes were cast for governor in November. This number has not changed since 12/8/10.
http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/percent%20results%20post%20recount_120710.pdf
“We’re 46.12% of the way to our goal. We can’t tell you what the goal is, because we don’t know. We reached a milestone yesterday, but we don’t know any details about which milestone.”
Not exactly reassuring, is it?
Here’s the vote totals. Get your Excel on and knock yourself out, district by district.
And by the way, you know who supports recalls and statewide organizing? At least as of last September 14th, 2010?
Scott Walker.
I need no reassurance, I can feel in my bones the removal of those little shit republicans. I have no worries.
: )
Hey. Check this out.
“The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.
A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an “online persona management service” that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.
The project has been likened by web experts to China’s attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.
The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as “sock puppets” – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.
The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations “without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries”.
[...]”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
And this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2smz_1L2_0
Crazy, huh?
This has been explained to the trollie at least once before to my knowledge, yet he/she/it keeps acting as if it hasn’t.
I think it’s time for me to go through your comments and just put a generic comment, with the appropriate links to your past statements, each time you show up so everyone knows how many times you’ve made the same lame arguments even after being corrected. Then people will know that you do not argue in good faith and can safely ignore you.
Yep – but you know what? He tries to bring it up again, I’m going to pull out the old deposition/testimony objection: “Asked and Answered – Next?”
I’m gonna remember that. Thanks.
I understood it before it was explained to me.
How can there possibly be an “estimated” number of signatures necessary to recall, say Mary Lazich?
How can there not be 1 exact number of minimum signatures necessary in each the 8 senatorial districts in which Republicans are facing possible recall?
How then can there then not be 1 exact mimimum number of total signatures necessary statewide in order to assure that there is at least a chance of recalling ALL 8 senators? By this I am saying that summing the 8 minimum numbers from each district will total to a minimum number statewide. If that mimimum number have not signed, then at least 1 Republican will not be recalled. So when the spokesman for the state Dem party says 46% achieved, 1 can have an idea if he is correct?
I know you don’t know. I know these are all mysteries to you. I would like to hear you say it.
“Recall organizers say they have half of the signatures required. In 15 days with 45 left to obtain the rest.”
You’re out of your depth. This is what you said on Monday, which must have been the 12th day since they started gathering. The link DDay provided quoted the spokesman for the state Dems saying 45% and 56,000. The numbers Kelly Canfield provided today say 138,671 needed, minimum statewide. 56,000 is 45% of 124,444. So there’s a discrepancy of 14,227. Everybody is not on the same page, you least of all.
When I say “statewide,” in this context, I mean in all 8 Republican senate districts taken together.
Kapanke in LAX needs to have recall in within 13 days if you want to count on UW lax kids (heavily democratic)to actually win a recall.
The unions should get off their asses and organize targeted bus trips to work key recall areas. As an example instead of rallying on capitol take 45 buses to LAX (1800 union members) have them all get 10 signatures and viola Monday morning press conference with the first recall. Run bus schedules for one area a day (or two if it takes two to get the recall number plus 20% to avoid issue).
Was at the 100k thank you senate 14 rally and if 1/3 of those present would work one day in a targeted effort we would have more than enough (33,000 times 10 signatures each) to recall all 8 repub senators. BUT we neeed union brass to get er done. rumor has it they have time now since they no longer have a job……
Time is of the essence. If the unions don’t have the balls to call a general strike (which would be won in less than a week if everyone joined in-yes you firefighters and police along with prison guards and all 59,000 teachers) then at least show the power of the union by having targeted recall efforts. The old saying people united can never be defeated is not just a slogan you blockheads!!! The right has money but we have people power and its time it starts getting used properly!!
Enthusiastic volunteers are nice but once the low hanging fruit is gone you need PAID door to door people to lock in recall numbers. Typically you need the number needed in district plus 20% to make sure you have enough valid. Unions should be targeting one district per weekend and organize bus groups into that area to hit recall numbers in that one weekend. If you have areas that are too spread out (like much of northern wiscosnin) then pay people to solicit the signatures. Keep hearing there ar millions to support recall so use it to get recalls not nice little signs for protest or clever adds to run on msnbc.
Use up the volunteer energy to get ball running with Kopanke in LAX area, Darling in Milwaukee area and then Hopper in GB area. Could do it in 3 weekends if union top cheese got heads out of butts. Then use PAID solicitors (probably $15 a signature) to nail the other 5 senators. Using that approach even SLOB Grothman would face recall in heavily republican West Bend area.Nice part would be paid labor could hand back their commisssions or at least part of it minus expenses for vehicle etc. if they were able. Roughly 300k per recalled senator and money well spent. Once that done target the assembly and then of course come next January volunteers alone should be able to get Walker himself but use paid workers (people do need jobs you know!!!) to take down the other now qualified for Recall senators including that huge prick Fitzgerald. Within one year of next MAY you could have a democratic supreme court, democratic senate, democratic assembly and of course a very left wing new governor. Maybe first act after re-establishing all collective bargaining rights would be to enact a single payer health program like Vermont and my hero Bernie Sanders are working on. IT can be done…..