Last night, I was at my local Drinking Liberally chapter talking to a couple people about my trip to Madison last month, and someone remarked that Ohio passed a bill which was even more draconian. No, I replied, it hasn’t passed yet, but that reminded me to look into that. A couple weeks ago I wrote about all the hurdles that SB 5 had to clear in order to get through the legislature. The House wanted to take three weeks to pass it, they could end up changing it, and then the Senate, which only cleared the bill by one vote, would have to take it up again. One of the State Senators who voted for the bill said she would sign a referendum petition to overturn it. So getting through the Senate again would be a tall order for Republicans, especially as polls show Ohioans turning sharply against the bill and Republican Governor John Kasich.
Jim Siegel in the Columbus Dispatch picks up on this today, and finds rough waters for SB 5.
Talks among House Republicans, and discussions between the House and Senate, have not yet produced a final version of Senate Bill 5 that has enough support to pass both chambers. The Senate passed the bill earlier this month by a 17-16 vote.
The House held 36 hours of testimony on the bill. House Speaker William G. Batchelder, R-Medina, has said lawmakers are looking at a number of modifications, but two of the biggest include whether law enforcement and firefighters should be treated differently in the bill, and whether there is a better way to resolve stalled contract negotiations.
The House and Senate have not reached agreement on how to change the bill, and House Republicans reportedly are not in agreement on a path forward.
If these talks drag on, it changes the timing of a referendum. Any bill passed into law in Ohio can be subject to a referendum, a “citizen’s veto,” which would be placed on the next statewide ballot. Union leaders and the Democratic Party have vowed to gather signatures for a referendum on SB 5 if it passes; they’d need about 300,000 names. The bill would have to be signed into law before April 6 for a referendum to be placed on the November 2011 ballot, which would include a bunch of citywide elections in Ohio. If the bill lingers past April 6, the referendum would go on the November 2012 ballot, which would include the Presidential election. There are pros and cons to both, but given the excitement and energy around the labor movement right now, I don’t think Republicans want a measure on the ballot in the bellwether state of Ohio in 2012 that will bring out union voters in big numbers. In addition, the law cannot be enacted until the outcome of the referendum, which would mean years of delay for the stripping of some collective bargaining rights for public employees, the loss of the right to strike, and moving the decision-making for settling labor disputes to local officials.
Simply put, the outcome is not at all clear in Ohio. And the Republicans in the legislature, who have seen their popularity vanish in recent months, are not at all thrilled with passing SB 5 at all.




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The republicans in Ohio depend on law enforcement and church endorsments for their re-elections. Both groups are coming out against SB 5. Not sure the GOPers will do well in the next election with only their corporate backers.
Boxturtle (apparently, neither are the GOPers)
Hah! Just goes to show what over-reaching actually yields! Not much.
Ah-hah, so maybe that’s why they’re holding up this misogynist bill, too:
Ohio bill that would ban most abortions put on hold LINK.
Dammed if they do pass the bill and likely lose the election. Or fail their political contributors who will dry up their cash and cost the Governor his shot at running for President?
Given the ego’s involved in Alpha Squirrel politics the Governor will try his best to push this through he wants to be President more than anything.
Republicans around the country sure seemed to dive off the rationality cliff just as soon as it became clear that Obama has some real problems with his base. If I was conspiracy minded, I’d be tempted to call kabuki on the whole kit and kabooodle.
We need to devise a system where corporations are allowed to vote at the ballot boxes. And each of their votes should count for the number of people they employ. So a company with 1 million employees would be able to cast 1 vote that was worth 1 million votes!
Then the sellout will be complete.
Thanks David, and thanks fatster for that link.
True but Bush style Gamblers always double down their bets when they are losing. Which now that I think about it explains so much about our economy.
America is dependent on oil don’t create green cars invade oil countries at huge cost for years! America makes SUV’s that consume tons of oil double down invade Iraq and give a tax break for SUV’s. America buys oil from evil dictators turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.
Banks lose money gambling double down and bail them out so they can keep gambling.
The GOP thinks like Junkies doubling down is behavior junkies do with drugs to keep trying to get high as they develop tolerance economics, war etc doubling down is a way of life for the GOP. Much like Junkies they can’t think of any other way to live and lying to get what they want is no problem.
Only if they could cast negative votes as well – negative for each job they have off shore rather than within the US. So if they have 1 Million employees but only 10,k in the US, then their vote would actually count against them.
(OK, it needs some work but I think you get the idea)
What about Ohio bill restricting voting?
But but but that would defeat the purpose of corporate dominance of US politics. Every corporation worth a damn has offshored the majority of its operations. Everyone knows that :)
Yeah, but it would force them to prove they are actually “US citizens” though – since if they weren’t “US citizens” they wouldn’t be allowed to vote anyway.
I hope this bill passes..The public Employee Unions have overstepped their bounds. There has been no one representing the taxpayer for too long..and shame on the elected officials for that.
pinata enters, stage right
And why is that?? Perhaps because of over over over regulations, overzealous Unions, and prohibitive corporate taxes..just to name a few..
You want jobs to stay here, get rid of all of the above.
OT, but this’ll make your stomach turn.
Troll infestation.
Yep. Lowering taxes has worked so well over the past 10 years. You’re right. Let’s do more of that.
He’s on every fucking thread, too. Can’t get away from it.
You’re missing the point. We need to completely turn this country’s well-being over to our Corporate overlords. If that means allowing them to usurp our electoral process, so be it. Otherwise, you’re un-American.
Ask alamode.
Do you like having clean air to breathe? Thank regulations
Do you like having uncontaminated food to eat? Thank regulations
Do you like uncontaminated medicine? Thank regulations
Do you like to drink clean water? Thank regulations
Regulations govern the sewage systems that drain into the rivers. Regulations govern ALL aspects of an integrated environment.
And corporations are not over taxed as long as they can keep moneys off shore which gives them effective tax rates of zero
Damn I wish the trolls would come with something other than the same tired talking points.
In point of fact, the United States has become ever more dependent upon imported or foreign oil. A mere thirty years ago, 28% of the oil consumed in the United States was imported. Today nearly 60% of the oil utilized and consumed in the United States is imported from other countries.
Turning to the stability of the nations from which the U.S. imports oil, a good share of imported oil does come from nations that have fairly stable political situations. However the largest amount of oil reserves are located in the Middle East — one of the most volatile regions of the world. Most people are surprised to learn that the country from which the United States imports the greatest amount of oil is Canada. In recent years, the United States has imported approximately 200 million barrels of crude oil annually from Canada.
Oil imports into the United States from Saudi Arabia come in at second place with about 160 million barrels of crude oil annually from the Kingdom. The United States imports about the same amount of oil from Mexico as it does from Saudi Arabia on an annual basis. Other countries from which the United States imports oil are: Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, the United Kingdom, Norway, Angola, Algeria and Colombia.
So, wouldn’t it make sense to increase drilling for oil and natural gas here, in our own country? Do you know that royalties from oil and gas reserves, paid by those nasty ole’ oil companies would pay off the national debt in no time??And jobs jobs jobs..boy would they create the jobs.
But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO..instead we’re going to lend Petrobras of Brazil,2 billion dollars to drill in the Gulf, because we can’t,
sending more jobs and tax revenue overseas..because George Soros is a major stockholder in Petrobras and has the US federal govt. and left do gooder progressives in his pocket..
You simply cannot keep yelling about this when you have created it..
Yep. We need to up-grade our trolls. They’re getting predictable.
Call the Orkin Man.
Damn I wish the trolls would come with something other than the same tired talking points
At least we have talking points and don’t constantly revert to name calling “trolls” ..just wondering, where did that term originate..?
Fuck, I’ll let someone else handle 23. So many lies and falsehoods.
Let’s cut the hide off of our country instead of mainstreaming alternative energies. That’s a wonderful solution.
Ah yes, the ultimate right wing boogity boogity man. If Soros didn’t exist, they would have to invent him
No get some tariffs if you want jobs. Globalization and less regulation is what we had for the Bush/Obama years and guess what still waiting for those jobs.
I’m tired of waiting 10 years of deregulation has failed. Its time to go the other way FDR work projects!
House Speaker Batchelder is quoted in a different article by Siegel in the Columbus Dispatch:
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/03/24/copy/amid-rancor-voter-id-bill-moves-to-senate.html?adsec=politics&sid=101
He [Batchelder] added: “We don’t need to have people stand up on the floor of the House of Representatives and act as if everything that is going on is racist, particularly not from the party that gave fewer votes to the 1964 Civil Rights Act than the Republican Party.”
False in the House and false in the Senate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Canada I believe can’t make money off of oil unless its $100 a barrel.
No it doesn’t green power creates jobs and the fuel is free add in the cost of pollution plus the wars for oil and green power is cheaper than drilling for oil here.
Next we could drill everywhere in America and still not have enough oil to satisfy our needs but a 100 sq mile area of solar panels in the SW of America could solve all our power needs.
Oil companies pay off the national debt with royalties??? bwahahaha! When do the oil companies ever pay what they owe for those fees the American Indians are still waiting for what they are owed for those fees for decades!
Never mind what Fracking does to local water supplies.
Rep. Robert Mecklenborg, the bill’s sponsor, said that in Georgia, black vote totals increased in the most recent presidential and gubernatorial elections after a photo ID was required.
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This is from the same link.
Increased over what?
How were voters identified as black? Is voter registration in GA by race?
The implication is that the photo id increased black turnout. Increased black turnout at the same PERCENTAGE as white?
Robert Byrd (born 1917) belonged to the KKK. This was in the 1940s at the same time Ronald Reagan (born 1911), older than Byrd, was married to Jane Wyman and was a Democrat and labor leader.
Hey GOP, thanks for the jobs! /s