I feel like US fiscal policy is trapped on some kind of treadmill. Democrats offer some level of budget cuts for the current fiscal year, Republicans reject anything less than what they’ve proposed, and then they put together a short-term stopgap with all of the Democrats’ cuts. The Democrats wind up agreeing, and the whole negotiation starts over again, with Democrats moving closer to the Republican position by offering yet more cuts.
Now we have the third offer from the Democrats, with $10 billion in cuts already enacted. They plan to offer $20 billion more.
The White House and Democratic lawmakers, with less than two weeks left to avoid a government shutdown, are assembling a proposal for roughly $20 billion in additional spending cuts that could soon be offered to Republicans, according to people close to the budget talks.
That would come on top of $10 billion in cuts that Congress has already enacted and would represent a deeper reduction than the Obama administration and Senate Democrats had offered previously in negotiations. But it isn’t clear that would be enough to satisfy Republicans, who initially sought $61 billion in spending cuts and face pressure from tea-party activists not to compromise.
You could make a case that the first $10 billion didn’t have a huge impact, as they went to programs already scheduled to be cut (I don’t totally subscribe to that). But the low-hanging fruit is gone. This $20 billion will hurt.
Michael Ettlinger and Michael Linden take note of what this means. Democrats are now ready to cut $30 billion below 2010 levels for the 2011 budget. That was the Republican leadership’s initial offer, basically a pro-rated version of their $100 billion in cuts from the Obama 2011 budget request. They went further to the right after losing the tea party conservatives and then sought $100 billion overall from that budget request, or in real dollars a $61 billion reduction. So here come the Democrats, offering the $30 billion in cuts that the Republican leadership wanted in the first place.
There’s no question that Republicans played the “Bad Cop, Insane Cop” game very expertly. But it was apparent from the moment that Democrats allowed the 2011 budget to be decided on the watch of the new Republican House that there would be a massive reduction like this. They failed to finish a 2011 budget resolution as part of the deal for extending the Bush tax cuts for two years. They failed to incorporate an increase in the debt limit into that as well. As a result, they forced themselves to negotiate with a bad hand. And they’re not the best negotiators in the first place.
The result is a series of immediate cuts when the recovery remains fragile. Furthermore all of those cuts will hit the relatively shallow non-discretionary non-security slice of the budget, magnifying the impact on Americans who receive services from that.
Nobody should be feigning surprise that the baseline, best-case scenario is the level of cuts the Republican leadership asked for in the first place. It was baked into the cake when the budget was left out of the tax cut deal. Indeed I always called the 2011 budget negotiations the second half of the tax cut deal. And now that deal, trading tax cuts for millionaires for tax-driven stimulus that is getting cancelled out by budget reductions, looks pretty pathetic indeed.




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What’s the background story here. Whose fault was this primarily?
Budget cuts during a recession to pay for the extension of tax cuts for the rich.
Democrats are losers.
Correction: Democrats are sellouts.
As revolting as the Republicans are they are nowhere near as disgusting as the slimy Democrats.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need a progressive party.
Yep
Rs: $20 billion. Going once. Going twice….
O: $40 billion.
Rs: $40 billion. Going once. Going twice…
O: $60 billion ….
Vichycrats with Marshall Petain Barry.
True leadership/s
why are our Democratic leaders even considering taxing future seniors, to give tax cuts to the dead?
Cutting Social Security is a tax.
The goopers talk a lot about wanting to protect our children and grandchildren, but when it comes to action, they propose cuts to our kids’ and grandkids’Social Security.
If you really want care about and want to protect future generations, you dont take away their retirement.
Is anyone taking bets on how many more times the goal post will be moved before the budget is finally complete? Will they also be betting on the final figures or whether the Rethugs will get exactly what they originally asked for in the end? What a farce our representative government has become!
And the Democratic Party keeps nominating the sellouts election after election. Congress is full of *****.
I give the Tea Party credit for pushing the Republicans; I wish the Progressive had the same courage. Instead we fall for the line, “you need to vote for us, the Republicans are worse”. We need to elect people that keep their promises, if not , we should impeach them. If we don’t, we deserve what we get. Faux change, that nobody can believe in, is not acceptable.
Any budget where we don’t end funding for three wars is a joke. If the Military budget is off the table then we will still be in debt and this is all Kabuki.
WinChoke the FutureDemocrats will be losers in 2012.
The Republicans will have cratered the economy by then and the Democrats will take (deservedly) all the blame.
Gaa-a-ahhhh!!!! What IS it with Democrats and bargaining?!?!? What is the problem with Democrats sitting back and saying “Okay guys, your turn to come up with cuts”? Obviously, if Democrats had an ‘arf a clue, they’d respond to every cut proposal with “See? This just shows us all just how much Republicans hate and despise regular citizens!”
It’s so simple!!! Just amazes me Democrats just don’t seem to get it!
How much did Chile cut when they did a Shock Doctrine on their economy based on the teachings and advice of Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics? Once we reach those level of cuts we should stop….unless the Obama/Tea Party ( I see no difference between the two now David is right they are bad cop, insane cop) has decided that Chile’s problem was that Chile did not go far enough.
In which case we are toast:(
Washington Generals
The Blue Dog Dems are Surrender Monkeys.
Obama and the Democrats should never play poker, cause they get their ass kicked eveyrtime. As I said would happen in 2010, the Democrats would continue to cave to the right and Obama’s so-called “economic recovery” would be killed off. He gave the right the tax cuts in November 2010, and now is being bullied into choking off his recovery (who didn’t see this coming). This guy has signed his own death certificate since entering the White House. What, did he not believe them when they said their sole job was to make him a one term president. Get ready for the next GW Bush to take power in 2012. This bunch of Democrats we have in Washington are the weakest we’ve ever had. They left their spine in their states and districts. We’re going to be in for another 12 years of rule from quite possibly the dumbest and craziest bunch of right wingers we’ve ever seen. And it doesn’t bode well for the left when our so-called Democratic leaders can’t even stand up to these damned nutcases! At this point are there still Obama psychophants out there still spouting this non-sense about him playing chess while the right plays poker. And is there anyone out there who stills has faith in the intelligence of the American people, and that they will do the right thing at the polls. IF recent history is any guide, WE’RE SCREWED!
I think the Dems actually believe the Tea Party lies about being a political movement and not the polls saying a majority of Americans want jobs, want the government to create jobs and support more taxes on the rich to pay the debt.
Never mind the Tea Baggers imaginary majority was nowhere to be found in Wisconsin for weeks but the Left was:).
They are accelerating the pace on our march to neo-feudalism. We’ve got the attack on Unions, Arizona has a bill out to introduce a flat tax, they are trying to gut services for ordinary Americans, yet when General Electric pays zero taxes on $12 Billion in profits…Obama:
“has designated G.E.’s chief executive, Jeffrey R. Immelt, as his liaison to the business community and as the chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, and it is expected to discuss corporate taxes.”
If you aren’t wealthy, very wealthy, this country is not going to be a fun place to reside over the next 50-100 years.
Hey Bluedogs, DINOs and Republican Shitheads: We have a revenue (and a stupidity) problem, not a spending problem. (I’m assuming you studied arithmetic back in the day…)
Here’s an idea: Why don’t you idiots start acting like, ya know, grownups for a change?
By the way, I just saw some pigs fly by. A few of them broke Mach 2. Impressive stuff…
The operative word here is “fail”. I used to think the Vichycrats had no spine now I believe they have no integrity.
Great time to form a third party though.
GE makes Nuclear Reactors chances are GE is sweating bullets about Japan right now, even worse the Japanese seem to be giving up rampant consumerism as a coping mechanism for the tragedy.
Thats the last think any Capitalist wants to hear. BT had a post about the Koch Brothers calling Obama a Socialist recently.
The Koch brothers if America follows the same pattern after a nuclear accident might just see what real socialism looks like. Socialism from the grass roots level.
You know what happens when you let a bully push you around? The bully gets more aggressive and demanding and there is no incentive for him/her to change. So Democrats are weak, stupid or complicit. Which is it?
The Democratic and Republican Parties, along with the interests they represent, can get away with this nonsense because “regular folk” have long supported them or tolerated them. Militarism became the national priority during the Second World War. Opposing the DP and GOP in budgetary matters requires opposing militarism in the United States.
Of course, American militarism has had a huge effect on the American economy. The two are closely entwined with the military component corrupting both the peacetime and financial component of the nation’s economic system. It’s thus hardly certain that demilitarization would not produce another depression, one that could easily spread to the rest of the world.
But America is not a military dictatorship. So, we have that going for us. What we do not have is an opposition party to join.
So how does this affect Nancy’s (endorsed by Obama) plan for investment in green technology research?
MIT reports innovation is continuing in the area of getting us cheap bio-fuel – this time a story on a startup called Proterro, based in Princeton, New Jersey, that replaces the expensive grow sugar cane (or other cellulosic grasses), extract sugar, dispose of waste path to ethanol with an engineering of photosynthetic microorganisms to secrete large amounts of sugar, with a bioreactor for growing the organisms using small amounts of water – a major change from the usual approach of using algae to produce oils. And indeed ways are being developed to use ethanol as a path for making other types of biofuels. In Proterro’s system, more of the water and energy in sunlight is directed into making sugar instead of supporting biomass, and the organisms don’t need to be harvested—instead, they continuously secrete sugar in a form that’s easy to use to make biofuels. Using microbes that naturally produce sucrose when the water that they’re growing in becomes too salty—it’s a defense mechanism to keep water from being sucked out of them into the surrounding water via osmosis – the genes that trigger this mechanism have been engineered.
This kind of innovation deserves support – but are we going to help resize the research bio-reactor into a commercial sized factory reactor – will there be funds for green innovation help in this budget?
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: Test Gains at Michelle Rhee’s Favorite School Possibly Fabricated
I am fairly sure they have been waiting to make these type of cuts for a long time now. They just had to wait till it was the best time to spit them out..
Unfortunately, we elected a Republican as president in 2008.
I won’t be making that mistake again.
Great graphic from moveon.com showing the results of the 50-year assault on America.
What 52 Years Of Tax Cuts For The Wealthy Looks Like LINK.
There is no political opposition party in America.
Since 1970, US productivity has doubled. So, you should be working half as many hours to maintain a 1970 standard of living or you should be paid twice as much for the same number of hours worked in 1970.
US wages have fallen by 7% since 1970.
Democrats have allowed this to go on for four decades.
You vote against your own self interest by voting for a Democrat.
You throw your vote away by voting third party.
You help elect Republicans by not voting.
You can throw the fake Democrats out by voting Republican – sounds crazy, but voting Republican is your only hope for change.
Keep voting for fake liberals and it just might work out for you in another four decades.
Vintage Obama. Make a show of opposition and debate. When the show is over pass whatever the Oligarchy requires. Anybody remember the health care “debate”?
Pretty much sums it up. :)
Um. Correct?
That was a trick question, right?
Why blame the Republicans for cratering the economy? Obama and the sellout Democrats extended the Bush tax cuts. Obama has a veto pen. He didn’t want to use it.
Democrats deserve scorn along with all the blame.
All of the above. I read it as a trick question, too. Mostly, though, I think they’re stupid and complicit more than that they’re weak victims of bullying.
“As a result, they forced themselves to negotiate with a bad hand. And they’re not the best negotiators in the first place.”
You give them way too much credit. One would think you thought that the democrats actually wanted to do something different than what they already doing.
My only question is this. Why are they stopping at $20 Billion? No one is making such a big fuss, publicly, at any rate. They’ve sold out, but they don’t even have the balls to do that right.
Why do we even vote any more? The issues should just go to a business round table.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I agree with you.
We need a progressive party like now. Call it, say, the Progressive Party. Ideally incorporating the Greens, other leftish parties, and whatever Wellstone Democrats who are willing to leave the womb of the Democratic Party.
Now, I’m sure we will be told is not a good time, but tomorrow never comes.
Why do people still write about Democrats and Republicans as if they’re separate groups?
It’s like falling for the political equivalent of good cop, bad cop.
Tempted to say all three…but we really know that the Dems at the national level especially, are bought by the same folks who own the repubs.
So “what is complicit, Alex” is the correct response for the category “Politicians are Whores for Corporate America for $600.”
I personally would rather throw my vote away than vote for a Republican. My integrity is about the only thing I have left, so forgive me if I treasure it.
Israel just requested additional $20 billion because of “instability in the region”, so not surprising that Democrats would come up with enough cuts to cover that. I also had rather “throw my vote away” than vote for a Republican. That’s why I voted for Nader instead of Obama in 2008.
I submit that the Dems are not “Stupid”, rather that they are playing their hand masterfully. They have accomplishing everything that they were bought to do! But they are also excellent in feinting overwhelming support of their constituent’s interests.
In Obama’s case, his biggest backers-Penny Pritzer (the Hilton heiress) and her gang adamantly opposed EFCA and lo & behold no check card unionization! Amazing what your Billion$ can buy. The Dem’s friend$ at Wall Street have been delivered nearly everything that wanted, while the powerful thieves have avoided investigation and justice. Imprisonment continues to rise, personal freedoms continue to be diminished, and the “Law and Justice” is further shaped by the perjurers on the SCOTUS, all while the Greatest Show on Earth entertains & distracts the Hoi Polloi. Public opinion, while often in an overwhelming percentage, is simply ignored while the Government goes which ever way it that most benefits the richest and their interests.
Massive financial inequality has been further aided and abetted, legislation is apparently enacted while safely knowing that it will be gutted or implemented in a faulty manner, while generally containing loopholes to be exploited by the rich and powerful, and the Honduran Death Squad defender in charge of the DOJ continually displays what a corporate tool he is. Huge Corporations pay no taxes & often even get money back from the IRS, while we are constantly reminded that the US has the Highest corporate tax rate in the World and it is stifling American business. Now we discover that the FICA has been a stealth tax on the workers.
This, while our legislative double dealers pretend to be powerless to stop, and usually abet the anti-Working Class agenda of the wealthy. But don’t worry, they are “Fighting hard” for the people! The question to be raised is just how much more of this kind of hard work on our behalf can we stand?
Wow, well said.
I think we’re missing the bigger picture here. Republicans and Democrats are arguing over $20 or $40 billion dollars in cuts, yet we are going deeper in debt by over a $TRILLION each year. That $40 billion in budget cuts doesn’t accomplish anything other than slightly slow down the rate at which we continue to go deeper in debt.
You can’t fix a debt problem by borrowing more money, yet that’s what both parties continue to try. Unless we cut at least a trillion or so dollars out of our annual budget, we’re really not going to accomplish anything. Yes, I know that will be painful, but it’s going to be a lot more painful when the country is insolvent.
It pains me to hear politicians, including our president, talking about how the American people need to tighten our belts, yet they continue to spend, spend, spend with money they don’t have.