No real movement thus far today on talks to avoid a government shutdown, but there is one piece of good news: the water works are functioning again.
John Boehner was driven to tears again today. This time it happened at a closed-door meeting of House Republicans.
According to sources inside the meeting, Boehner it happened while Boehner was speaking to the group about the latest on his negotiations with Democrats over government funding. Boehner talked about his meeting yesterday with President Obama and then, in a rousing conclusion, he thanked the House Republicans for standing by him and supporting him through these tense negotiations.
The Republican conference responded with a standing ovation for their speaker.
As you could imagine, that prompted the Speaker to cry.
“Yes,” said one person at the meeting, “He cried, but only briefly.”
I don’t like to mock a man for crying. So I’ll just mock him for crying over the great love his white male colleagues show him and not the prospect of poor people dying on the streets of America.
To the extent that there are talks, they are being administered by Boehner chief of staff Barry Jackson and Reid chief of staff David Krone. And despite the claims that the level of cuts number has changed, that doesn’t seem to be the issue as much as the many policy riders:
At a higher level, Boehner and Reid are still miles apart on the policy riders that Republicans are demanding — including controversial restrictions on abortion, EPA authority, and implementation of the health care law. Reid and President Obama drew a firm line on these in a White House meeting with Boehner on Tuesday. They’re making the case that even if the Speaker manages to secure a small number of them, he’ll be as much on the outs with conservatives in his party as he would be if he comes back empty handed.
Boehner spokesman Michael Steel responded to this version of events in an email. “There’s no way we can come to agreement on a number without agreement on riders,” he said. “There will be no deal on a number until there’s agreement on riders.”
Seems like the confusion over the level of cuts is a deliberate strategy to pack as many riders into the bill as possible.
Call me a pessimist, but I don’t see any way this gets done. And so the media has begun to turn to the real-world consequences of a government shutdown. And they are pretty grave. National parks would shut down. Non-essential agency personnel would be sent home without pay, and they’d have to turn in their Blackberries. Cleanup on toxic waste sites could be halted. While homeland security operations would continue, it would occur with reduced staffs and particularly reduced management. Fannie and Freddie could stop guaranteeing loans, as could the Small Business Administration. The implications are virtually limitless.
Some of the worst effects would hit the states:
If a shutdown were to happen, the federal money that helps states pay the administrative costs of their stretched unemployment programs could dry up, forcing states to advance the money to keep the programs running. Federal grants for a variety of programs — including research, higher education and training local law enforcement officers — could be delayed.
Furloughing nonessential federal workers and halting payments to federal contractors could have a domino effect as local tax collections plummet in the Washington area and other places with many federal workers. And if national parks were closed, some states could lose tourism business, and the local tax revenues they generate.
“It all comes down to timing,” said Scott D. Pattison, the executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers, which has been fielding calls this week from nervous state officials. “If it’s just a few days, you can deal with it. But if it’s over a week or two, the financial management people’s foreheads start to get a little sweaty.”
By the way, don’t worry: our many wars will continue. The soldiers fighting them just won’t get paid, is all.
The ultimate cost of this foolishness depends on the length of the shutdown. But the fiscally responsible members of Congress bringing us this shutdown ought to know: there will be a cost.



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I, on the other hand, have no problem with mocking a man for crying. Especially when they’re just fucking crocodile tears and the man is, and I think this always bears repeating, orange.
So if the soldiers don’t get paid, that means the contractors won’t get paid either, right?
I hope the general public realizes what’s at stake here and doesn’t fall for the corporate line. Good news that Beck will get the axe! But i wonder what other slimeball will take his place…
Has anyone had the balls to confront Obama with his own words from the December tax deal yet???
Remember when he gave away the farm, and many, including many here, said that if he was going to do that, he should at least ensure the hostage taking ends and thus asked for stuff like a budget or CR and raising the debt level?
He was even specifically asked about the potential hostages of raising the debt level at a news conference IIRC, where he of course basically laughed off the question. (Said something along the lines of “I’ll take BONER at his word” or some such stupid shit IIRC.)
So why doesn’t anyone bring that back up to him and ask him how he feels now???
He’d better get the debt limit rais INCLUDED in whatever budget does get done or we’re going to be right back here in less than a month.
Orange ya gonna say, let’s all get out our little bitty violins?
Perched on top of the Washington monument (well before the shutdown anyhow), surveying 360, don’t see a single adult.
Actually he sorta makes me want to cry also….a Speaker who comes to follow Sam Rayburn and LBJ, etc. Now a roadblock….so sad.
Oh Mighty F. G.
You speak truth to power.
Nope. No balls.
And not paying soldiers. Now that’s a class act.
It’s okay. Congress will still get paid and that’s the important thing.
/Boner
We’ve seen him do that on quite a number of issues where he’s made really bad mistakes. Too bad no one decided to take count from the beginning. It could be one of the signatures of his administrations. Like W’s smirk.
Ya got that right.
I remember seeing Nixon wipe the tears from his upper lip.
Boehner only, ever, cries for himself.
Never for the child who’ll go hungry when Boehner gets the t-baggers their wish. Never for the disabled person wondering if his Social Security check will be interrupted. Never for the pensioner wondering if his doctor will honor that Medicare-paid appointment next week.
No, no tears for any of them.
Just tears for himself, The Boehn. That’s all, ever.
Doesn’t that HURT?
He’s a drunk. Drunks cry for themselves.
Good point. Psychologists must have a name for people who do that. Other than narcissists; something more specifically related to the crying jag.
Not at all. I put on my toe shoes and am standing on one leg (not the one with the injured knee) doing a perfect arabesque. Unfortunately my tutu is at the cleaners.
It is a genetic problem. The medical term for it is Cri du Turd.
Bring on the shutdown. That way everyone in the country will know what life would be like under a Ryan (Repub) budget. Maybe we’ll even see that there are many government programs we want to keep.
Good point.
I see this as a bait-and-switch if one takes the bait (emotional hook) from Boehner.
And that government shutdown … Pretty destructive premeditated plan there. Looks like everyone who has the temerity to Question.Their.Authority is being punished by a Congress who thinks it should still be paid for torturing the rest of use. That’s not leadership. That’s abuse of political position and power.
Pic of boner is fantastic. Have sent it everywhere.
where is Kirk when ya need him?? He just might know.
Lots of drunks in my family. All of them cried for themselves after 2-3 beers.
You’re right. Bait and switch requires at least two players.
Cry me a river, cry me a river…
As a resident of Fargo where local radio is reporting that, when the flood crest comes this weekend that thousands are sandbagging dikes to protect the city against, FEMA will be furloughed if there’s a government shutdown, believe me when I say I am not amused by Boner’s waterworks.
Nor Bachmann’s boners.
Nor any of the ideologue idiocies of the Teabaggers. Chris Matthews sure nails ‘em today.
Obama is a pawn of the Illuminati and a Republican mole. Obama designed this play so that he can acquiesce to the Republicans on the austerity budget.
When he does, he will say he made a good compromise. He’ll get his “half a loaf”. He will say it was the best we could do under the circumstances. The best he could do. He will say that the Republicans put partisanship before country. He made his best effort to be bipartisan and take them at their word, etc..
Obama designed this play. He could have gotten the budget done months ago.
Look at the deal Obama gave the mortgage holders. The FDIC guarantees 80 percent of the original highly inflated loan value of the deeply discounted loans they bought up.
The banks short sell the properties for wahtever price and they get a huge kickback from the taxpayer on every deal. They’re making out like bandits.
IN the meantime, no private American homeowner can compete! He can’t sell his house until the banks run through their bottomless inventory of foreclosures and short sales. We’re all stuck. Unless we sell at short sale prices. But we get no gubmint kickback. We get a kick in the ass.
What’s “Comfortable Shoes” Obama got for us?
Austerity Measures.
Maybe they should buy a higher class of beer.
Once upon a time presidents used the media to take their case to the American people. Pardon the jaded cynicism but I’ve seen this movie before. Won’t belong before Obama comes on TV and says he really had no choice, he just didn’t have the votes, they made me do it, blah, blah, blah.
OMG. What a tragedy.
The United States of America I used to love no longer exists, and I am even beginning to wonder if it ever did exist. The dark evil of selfishness and violence that was at the core of this nation, like an infection that has been swelling for years has come to the surface and is bursting.
It’s a con. The idea is to get the marks to drop their guards in order to wham them with something(s) really nasty. Ugly stuff.
Yes on all you say. Esp the part about the “designed.”
They cried just looking at a Guinness.
I’m noticing that too. I didn’t remember much of my U.S. history from elementary & HS, so each time a new (to me) topic comes up, I read up a bit on the history. It’s not at all what we were taught in school.
Oh well, so much for that idea.
I swear to god that if there’s a bank shutdown I know that barry oil bomber will say “let’s look forwards not backwards, noones to blame! I’m so bipartisan mirite?”
Republicans: It’s all the muslim presidents fault!
Somethings wrong with Boehner. A friend of mines pregnant and feels sorry for Boehner, she thinks he’s too hormonal.
also, he seems to have odd ideas about authority. They told him he might be Speaker, he cried. He got the job, he cried. He gets a standing ovation for nothing, he cries. Unless he has some tear duct defect or something… but coupled with the appearances at many many press conferences where others speak and he dodders and weaves – when all he has to do is stand there and maybe nod his head –
be it booze or stress or the knowledge that ‘functional alchoholics’ are almost always two jags away from a bawl, even if he is an alchoholic, he would know having run a bar for so long. Right?
Right?
Warring on constituents is the job description of petty tinpot tyrants not real Congress persons.
In the aliens movies after the alien facehugger puts the egg in the character, the character coughs (first great depression) feels better for a little while (post depression 1, pre ray gun) then starts coughing blood thinking they’re sick (ray gun revolution).
A short time later while the patients dying in the hospital room (housing crisis) the alien bursts out of the chest and goes into the air vents (the rich and the dumb poor people gullible enough to follow them showing just how dispicably selfish and evil they are)
After spending some time in the vents it comes down as a fully grown alien and starts killing people (privatizing medicaid, medicare, gutting regulations, ending planned parenthood)
Moral of the story:
Elect Predator in 2012, he’ll put the aliens head on a pike where it damned well belongs.
He would cry if he read what you wrote, you know.
Don’t worry, they plan on gutting tsunami, volcano and flood detection so noone will be afraid when the next one comes.
They won’t be prepared but at least they won’t panic about it!
I’ve been checking and checking and can’t get a straight answer; will SocSec checks still be processed?
Here’s the thing. During the last shutdown about 64k SocSec workers were furloughed. SO there was no new intake or processing during that period, and not all the checks went out.
Fast forward, and much of the payment processing is now done by contractors, who WON’t BE PAID.
OMB is responsible for the rules of the shutdown and there’s a lawsuit and a FOIA request to clear this up, but there’s no clear cut answer. WHen I called the local SocSec office and got to a manager, she went off the script the underling said “We have every confidence” and admitted she didn’t know.
Boner spends most of his time and more than my annual salary playing golf. It’s where he make his “deals”. Boner gives away the farm for favors and bribes. He robs the poor and gives to the rich. It has never been reported that Boner ever shed a tear making deals on the links.
Boner is a genuine Shitbird.
It will show the elderly what will happen if republicans end social security.
Hopefully that would be enough to slap some reality into the republicrats that want to gut it.
But but but he worked so hard from nothing!
He worked hard just like everyone else…in his daddies bar.
To them inheriting stuff is hard work.
Now that would really suck for me… where the hell are the pitch forks and torches?? These republicans are going to unleash the masses against them, there are a whole lot more of the little people than them… Almost seems that they are committing political suicide!
It’s not funny. My “elders” are blue to the bone; Judy was a Dem precinct captain in Nebraska for 25 years. This will hurt them, badly, if payments aren’t processed and I don’t have the spare bank to cover for them.
They know they can reach the chopper before the unwashed masses finish setting up the royal haircutter.
Congress persons (using the term loosely) decide their own salaries and are paid with government checks right? So why are they not government employees and subject to the same payroll rules? I just found out that their aides are paid with taxpayer money. Who decided that? How many thousands of dollars more per year (when considering per diem, travel reimbursement, health care, ALL those days when Congress is not in session, mailing costs, office space, limousines, flight arrangements, entourage travel costs, foreign travel for “political: analysis purposes) does an actual single Congressional office cost us taxpayers?? Do Congressional aides get paid during a shutdown? Cabinet members? Why? Why do they not share the burden they foist upon those who support them and supply so many essential services to the rest of us? Something is grossly unfair about this situation.
That’s a pretty crappy way of looking at it IMO. Since the majority of seniors have been voting Republican ALL of them deserve to get screwed, is that it?
For how many people will this be the tipping point into hunger, illness, or death? No check? No meds. No food.
FWIW, Kelly, NPR’s Liz Halperin has government officials explaining that soc sec checks will still get out, IRS tax claims will be processed but slower.
Homeland Security, military posts overseas are ‘essential’…
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/06/135180184/how-a-government-shutdown-would-play-out
I’d guess that more people here than not know older people. Some, intimately. It is not good, I agree.
Thanks for looking further, but the NPR piece is a bit of spin.
The “essential” people (including Army etc.) still have to work, but they don’t get paid. The Department of SocSec still hasn’t finalized plans, and you know what? Lots of people in ’95 and ’96 did miss/have delayed payments.
Not paying soldiers on time is a long and honorable tradition. In the old days it ran the risk of the soldiers changing sides in the middle of the battle, but in most cases the only result was something like the sack of Rome. Given that the only thing our soldiers have to sack is Kabul, it doesn’t look like much of a risk.
I agree with you.
Historically, elderly voters were generally Democratic. Democratic support from the elderly plummeted under Obama. (Maybe wisdom does come with age.)
But I’m also concerned that this is a stark look at the difference between sucking and sucking worse. I’ve been among the loudest saying I could live with the sucking worse crowd for a while if that’s what it took to transform the Democratic party or create a progressive alternative. Right now I’m very much aware that it’s not my life on the line.
I feel completely trapped.
Dems can’t save everybody. The deficit is huge, choice have to be made. All Dems should be trying to cut defense. The money wasted on offensive capability belies our peaceful intent. Then go after the farm subsidies and aid to foreign military’s.
Yesterday Nathan Aschbacher provided a link about the shutdown anxiety, and he suggested that FDL provide a front page presentation of the “reality” more than the “politics”.
Here’s the link he provided (it’s ‘old’, from AP, but not outdated):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110224/ap_on_re_us/us_what_shutdown
yeah, it seems a bit like the reports about radiation levels…
“We’re hoping it’ll just blow over, but meanwhile we’re raising the acceptable levels, just in case.” and NPR will dutifully report what they are told.
I believe the Tea Party will support an import tariff, it would do a lot to increase employment. Even senior could benefit. SS won’t last long with this deficit.
Boehner is a weeping self-centered assclown who needs to grow a conscience.
Sadly, my CBS affiliate just promoted their 11 o’clock newscast talking about Obama attending a political event here in NYC while the government was facing shut down. Yup, liberal NYC just had a media outlet that wasn’t Fox essentially accuse the President of ignoring an impending crisis. What do you think is happening in Mississippi?
While I hope and pray that most people get that the shut down is the fault of the Republicans, I’m not so sure that we can count on it. Boehner may be able to cry tears of joy, while the Tea Party crazies get the chaos they crave before getting the country they want.
Wouldn’t a shutdown be a wake up call to millions of Americans? Maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
I am so stealing that.
Certainly woke them up last time, and not how the Republicans expected…
Just a fantasy: The president (Jed Bartlet maybe) says “As Commander in Chief, if Congressional Republicans fail to fund and the government is forced to shut down, I will commence full and immediate pullout of all troops currently deployed in overseas operations. By closing the government, the Republicans will have forced America to retreat.”
Again, just daydreams, where hardball would have started a long time ago.
He’d have to be human to have the capacity to grow a conscience. I personally don’t believe that anyone that shade of orange is human…just another Disneytron gone rogue.
If only…
But this ain’t West Wing.
Actually I’m hoping for the AARP bussing in seniors to blockade congress and not let them out until they promise not to touch social security and medicare.
A literal blockade, young, old, poor, middle class.
A crowd of hundreds of thousands of people pissed off at the shutdown telling them that they will pass a budget and leave the programs alone or the crowd won’t disperse is what I’m hoping for.
Then again I’d only see that in a hallucination, but I can hope that there’s a wakeup call and a massive massive uprising.
My entire life all I have heard is rhetoric about how glorius the free market is, and how the economy would grow beyond belief if government would just get out of the way. How much do you want to bet on the day the government shuts down, and is out of the way the stock market nose dives. When all those corporations get the government tit yanked out of their mouths they are going to completely panic. Defense industries, health care, education, pharma, finance, and airlines not one of them would make a dime of profit without trillions in government money.
Absolutely correct Scott.Follow the money my daddy always told me.
Sorry, that was Liz Halloran of NPR. My bad.