Marc Ambinder at National Journal breaks the news of a deal framework on the 2011 budget, which would include painful spending cuts but no defunding of Planned Parenthood.
Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution tonight to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form [...]
The proposal under review could form the basis of an agreement on a six-month continuing resolution that averts a government shutdown of longer than a few days. The prospective measure would cut spending by about $39 billion from current levels, two aides said. It would not include a ban on federal funding for Planned Parenthood, but part of the arrangement would likely be an unspecified and symbolic procedural step intended to give Boehner and conservatives political cover on the issue, the aides said. Democratic appear to have accepted an increased level of cuts in exchange for the GOP dropping the rider.
Essentially, Democrats bought Planned Parenthood’s continued life for between $1-$4 billion, depending on who you believe.
You have to go back to the initial numbers to see the magnitude of this policy loss. In December, when a continuing resolution for the rest of the year was getting negotiated, the level of funding for FY 2011 was markedly higher than it will be under this deal. Ryan Grim runs the numbers.
The difference comes from the starting point. Democrats are working off of the president’s requested budget for the fiscal year, which was $1.128 trillion. That’s the same baseline that House Republicans used when they cut $102 billion with their first bill, H.R. 1, bringing the spending down to $1.026 trillion.
But there is a number that realistically could have become law, and that’s the one that was proposed by Sens. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). Known as the Sessions-McCaskill level, it blew up in December over a fight over earmarks, but it had the broad support of both parties in general.
That figure was $1.108 trillion — $58 billion above what Democrats are now willing to accept.
That was written before this latest deal, so it’s actually $59 billion. And the benefit for exchanging the Making Work Pay tax cut with the payroll tax cut, one of the only changes in the tax cut deal that didn’t simply extend current law? $60 billion. So if you accept that Democrats could have gotten Sessions-McCaskill into the tax cut deal, four months later almost the ENTIRE stimulus from the payroll tax cut is gone. Completely. As Ryan notes, “The focus on Planned Parenthood may be distracting from a dramatic GOP victory on spending.”
The $513 defense budget is precisely the level that Senate appropriators targeted back in December. So the defense budget is basically getting out of this untouched. Republicans tried to up that defense budget above the Pentagon’s request, so that was beaten back.
This means that all $29 billion in cuts – remember $10 billion have already been enacted – will come from the non-defense budget. The latest on that is that about half will come from the discretionary budget, and half from mandatory spending. This spreads the pain, but there’s a great deal of uncertainty about what those cuts will mean in the specifics.
The stopgap bill would just keep operations continuous and ensure military pay.
Once the politics are over, we can assess the policy with clear eyes. And I think you’ll find that the failure to put the 2011 budget to bed in the last Congress cost the economy $60 billion.



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I almost would prefer the Dems draw a line in the sand and let the government shut down, rather than kowtow to these bastards.
Agreed.
And no mention of raising the debt limit so we’ll be right back here in a month?
Brilliant.
Absolutely.
Remember, that they’re not is a CHOICE that they’re making.
A choice for which it is fair to hold them accountable.
And it’s more evidence that they don’t really care about kowtowing to the Republicans.
Not sure how much evidence some folks out there need, but apparently the mountains thus far isn’t enough for many.
What a bunch of losers these Democrats are! They have seen my last vote and dollars for them. Give in to the Fascists all the time.
as I’ve been saying, this entire government shut down was orchestrated by the big zero, he is demonstrating he is far worse then bush in every single catagory accept possibly his nomination to the scotus
I was just thinking “I wonder what the status of the budget negotiations is”, and I checked here, and here it is.
Yes, the Democrats are caving on spending. No question. Yes, it was wildly irresponsible not to pass a budget last year.
Credit where credit is due, though, they did draw a line in the sand at PP funding and EPA regulations.
Trouble is, if we want to fix the economy, not just corporate profits, we need to be dramatically increasing domestic spending over the next decade or two. Too bad we have nobody in Washington who is even talking about the real issue.
I don’t even know what to say about the politics of this. It’s about the worst way Democrats could have done it if you care about what the liberals think. And as already pointed out it doesn’t say anything about the debt ceiling.
It is pretty awesome if true that all the paychecks for govt employees won’t go away for a while.
The Title X funds for Planned Parenthood are $70 million, but there are hundreds of millions of Medicaid funds for PP that were not on the table.
$1 billion in domestic cuts saved a small fraction of PP’s government funding.
So who won and who’s holding the fig leaf? I’d say the GOP won. I was expecting Dems to refuse to go beyond $38 billion (already a ridiculous concession) and the government would be shut down. I guess I gave Dems too much credit.
It will be interesting to see how much of the GOP caucus Boehner gets on board this compromise. Bachmann has signaled Tea Party caucus walkback on Planned Parenthood (for now). Wonder how many will be seen as walking the plank for Boehner.
@3 – Betting the debt limit is tied to the Ryan-ACS-whoever can outbid them budget for FY 2012. I’m thinking Dems know that that is the next fight unless the GOP shuts down the government now–which still might happen. When they start dickering over the legislative language if not at midnight tonight.
Amen.
Did Dems really “draw the line” at PP funding and EPA regulations?
It seems like the GOP took those things hostage and Dems had to sacrifice billions of dollars in spending to buy them a temporary respite. I call that giving in.
I say Thanks for this Story but nothing new here please move along. WTF voting Green in@012 unless Russ runs.
The only way a bright guy like Barack Obama could get his butt handed to him so consistantly by such a group of GOP lightweights is intentionally.
What if they gave a government shutdown and nobody cared? Just askin’. It’s natural for elephants to think folks should be paid peanuts.
And all us little ol’ gals should better just STFU ‘cuz look how hard they worked to keep some little ol’ health care for us.
Up next, lil’ ol’ Latinos.
Got that right, and well put.
I’m thinking we’ll never have a “budget” per se again, our thoroughly corrupted and broken govt simply cannot achieve such. It will be CRs forev.
They could have caved on both the riders and the spending, but they haven’t, at least not yet.
Like it or not, the Republicans are in charge of the House, they won over 60 seats in the last election, and all tax and spending bills must originate in the House. They have a lot of leverage in these negotiations. There was no excuse for the last two years, but this is what we’re facing until the next election.
I’m not sure that my feelings will change in the near future, but, there is one thing I strongly feel right now… I am thoroughly disgusted with our political system and the lack of compassion by politicians and so many of my fellow citizens who believe in these budget cuts during tough times for so many people (obviously not those at FDL). I truly want to permanently leave this country for one of the “socialist” countries.
“The news” is for people who know pro wrestling is fake but still think “politics” is real.
Apparently Boehner is meeting with the House GOP caucus at 9:45 PM ET — no staff — to get his caucus’s buy-in (or not) on the deal.
Well I don’t know why some of you are even surprised. These are the same geniuses that thought it was brilliant to pass an individual mandate with no cost controls and a tax on benefits. And anyway why is no one seeing what is obvious? The Repugs added nonsense like the riders that they know won’t pass because it’s something absurd that costs them nothing that they can then trade away for the much more substantive win on spending cuts. It’s like Israeli negotiation tactics. At the last minute, they propose something absurd they know the other side won’t agree to, make a big show of demanding the crazy thing, and then throw it away in the end negotiations so they can pretend they’ve given up something when they gave up nothing.
I think it’s another collapse symptom.
This is one of Dmitri Orlov’s points about the Soviet collapse. At some point, it’s just impossible to get anything done. Not only politically, but any sort of large-scale, complex project. You can start it, you can dig some holes and pour some concrete and string some lines, but one thing goes wrong after another, budgets get cut, problems arise, there are shortages, etc., and it never gets finished.
Politically, you not only can’t solve problems, you can’t even talk about them. So you wave your arms about Planned Parenthood or cutting a tenth of one percent out of the budget and declare victory.
I know I would. Letting them gut everything but defense and Republican priorities is piss poor when you consider that they are essentially saving the Republicans from themselves. Fuck the Republicans. They want to jump off the cliff, let them. And this is just the beginning folks. They’ve got about a month to work on the debt ceiling now. Can’t wait to hear what they’ll demand be eliminated in exchange for that but I’ll bet anything that PP is back on the block.
Spot on. He’s complicit or stupid and weak. There are no other options.
I can’t tell you how it pissed me off to know that congress, the people responsible for the shutdown, would get their paychecks but the service people who risk their lives for us, wouldn’t. I think there should be a law that not only does Congress NOT get paid during a shutdown, but that they lose twice the amount they’d normally earn during the shutdown. Their own skins seem to be their primary motivation, so let’s put it into the game.
The “policy loss” was guaranteed, after the mid-term loss.
Barack Obama: the president who keeps on giving…to the republicans.
which is why I always go back to the enormous mistake to leave this budget hanging out there, waiting to be chopped.
So; the question is:
Are we going to reward him for this “mission accomplished” of dragging the democratic party back into the political shithouse, by giving him a chance at another 4 years of it?
Agreed but unfortunately it would take Congress to pass the law. It will never happen. They’ve got their priorities after all.
And aren’t they going to be gone for the next 2 weeks, making that effectively 2 weeks? Gads.
Oh, I know it’s sheer fantasy, but a girl can dream.
ahh… excuse me…. but…. That’s not the case.
What power did the House have under the Dubya Empire? Very little. What power part of that Imperial Presidency’s power has Obama surrendered? little to none.
What the hell the point of keeping an imperial power for… like… signing statements, but then not using those signing statements?
Corrupt to the core.
Yep. All Obama’s done with his bully pulpit is shill for BigCorp®.
Better yet, let’s pass a law that they forfeit their entire annual pay if they allow a shut down. After all, a shut down of government is a massive failure on their part in fulfilling their job duties.
I don’t think there’s gonna be an opponent for Obama.
I honestly don’t know what to do if there is no opponent for Obama. The GOP is too close to Spain-under-Franco-model-Fascism to think about allowing the GOP to have any easy wins.
Change tactics? Flood local Dem organizations instead? Redirect energy to the city-county level?
I’m not sure they drew a line re EPA regulations —- they said there would be a study. More like they have the EPA on life-support.
I’m breathless waiting for the Great Compromiser to step to the podium and announce the glorious victory in the name of bipartisanship. What this country needs is a lesson in class consciousness and a kick ass attitude of the poor, working class, middle class and those that think they might actually be progressive.
A third party is long overdue. Fuck the Democrats!
He’s a fucking disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With enough KY jelly I’m sure the Great Compromiser is thinking “this doesn’t feel too bad.”
I think I heard that they’ve proposed some sort of bill that eliminates their salaries during a shutdown. Apparently they’re realizing how bad it would look for these spoiled petulant children not to suffer during a shutdown. Of course, over half are millionaires, so…
There’s one more. He’s both (all three)!
So can anyone here tell us what made up the billions that have gone on the chopping block in exchange for buying the Repubs off the regressive women’s healthcare riders?
I’m sorry, funding for KY is one of the things O and the D’s were willing to cut.
One could say that makes this very definition of “raw deal.”
Oh, and I assume you mean this in the sense of “to violate, to expose to the enemy, to render ineffective.” As in to compromise one’s defenses, or one’s principles.
“The Great Violator.” Well, that is what seduction is really all about.
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“When he said ‘Change We Can Believe In’ I didn’t know he meant changing my anal virginity.”
The Great Quisling?
The Greens probably aren’t going to be nationally competitive by 2012, but we can start building for 2016.
The loss of the House is due to the turnout in Nov. 2010 and that’s due in part to Citizens United, the Koch bros., the TEA partiers and other Republican machinations. It’s also due to some Dems who saw no reason to vote. Well, now you can see the result.
It seems to me that there’s even more room nationally to push for the de-criminalization and taxation of marijuana.
Over at the Obamington Post, all of the Obamabots are celebrating Yet Another Great Victory For Barack. Pretty much everything is Yet Another Great Victory For Barack, I guess.
A huge part of the 2010 win for the Rs was the reaction to the piss poor HCR bill.
Thanks Obama. The gift that keeps on giving, to the rich.
What 4cdave said.
The theater over this $30B-$60B budget cut absolutely astounds me. Any reality-based reading of economic indicators suggest, based on non-polluted macroeconomic fundamentals, we should be increasing fiscal spending, not cutting it. Our economy will not return to its 2006/2007 highwater mark, middle-class employment will never reach those levels, without dramatic fiscal policy, i.e., government spending to create demand.
That Obama refuses to use his bully pulpit to educate the American public on this is sheer cowardice, an utter betrayal of his campaign and of the potential of his presidency. But given the opposition, his chances look pretty good for 2012. It’s pretty clear what his priorities are.
I can’t hold Dems that stayed home in 2010 responsible, hell I had to drag myself to the polls and gag while I voted for the dems. But why wasn’t the lesson learned by 0 and the rest? My opinion is that they all swill from the same trough ergo they are nearly the same.
Imagine if the response to this government shutdown stunt and Ryan’s budget (which are unquestionably linked as part of managed propaganda effort) was something like FDR’s Economic Bill of Rights?
Why can we only dream of such a response? One often hears about how the left doesn’t know which way to turn. Please watch. Again, and again, and again…
This is where we must start IMO.
Obama would never do that, no balls. He is a weakling and a coward.
In response to jo6pac at 14:
I’d vote Green period. Wouldn’t vote for Russ, or any Democratic Party candidate: waste of time, resources, and we’d end up with Oilbama for W’s fourth term anyway.
Antoine
PS: And, in my opinion, Russ back stabbed his constituents when he voted for the Baucus-Liz Fowler-Obama-Big Pharma health care scam.
Our team got rolled. If the Planned Parenthood and HCR revocation come up as stand alone bills, they will pass the house and likely pass the senate as well. There are too many senators in red states that need cover to get re-elected next year. I don’t see any success on our side.
Many Democrats lost their houses over the past couple of years while the banksters got bailed out. This happened with a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them felt more than a little let down.
x2
Anal virginity! LOL !
couldn’t agree more. No more cash, no more time. Did you see the president crowing about the cuts, as though it was to be proud of? Sick. I am done with the demostupids.
Great. Now can we reach a deal on impeaching Obama?
ftfy
And on the subject of high water and reality-based reading, it’s clear there’s no intention of trying to save the Titanic – only of keeping the proles in steerage from rushing the lifeboats until the rich are safely away.
Also, calling Obama’s actions “cowardice” assumes – without evidence – that saving the economy, or the people, was anything Obama ever wanted to do.
Obama, like all seducers, simply says whatever the naive and the self-deluded want to hear. It’s not his fault his supporters refused to heed the warnings and believed him simply because they wanted to.
It seems the unsinkable Titanic is an apt metaphor not only for the U.S. economy, but for Obama’s Presidency as well.
“Everything’s going swimmingly.”
I agree –
plus the side agreements to screw Planned Parenthood, et alia, in future votes that must be allow by the Senate -
Obama as usual showed no backbone except as to controlling his image to the “independents”.
Besides the base, the left – progressive and liberals – have no place else to go because the other person sucks more -
one could easily develop a dislike for Obama. //s
On every major issue in the last campaign obama now holds the opposite position from what he held during the election. On health care, offshore drilling , Iraq, gitmo, the bush tax cuts, even social spending obama has executed McCain’s campaigns position or a position even further to the right. We may actually have had more liberal government if we elected john mccain. If elections do not effect the policy that is implemented you do not live in a democracy.
There is only one option. Complicit. He got the house he wanted. They were torpedoing the House last January when gibbs said ‘we’ may loose it and then made sure there were untenable positions for them. He shafted Pelosi because she has bigger ovaries than what is in his package.
The president works through fig leaves.
lieberman, nelson, lincoln, bayh, rahm and now the republicans.
He will ‘embrace’ what he wants them to bring. He will never state a commitment to anything, but like he did tonight, bathe in the glow of a teleprompter and spew the canned verbiage that now makes him only a lesser evil.
Anthony Weiner has already said that this deal smells like the bush tax cut deal.
It was obvious that when pence tossed in the rider about PP that the republican ‘strategy’ will now become, take a program hostage and negotiate a concession.
The predicate for this strategy, and it’s success, came with tonight’s caving.
The dems are spineless little protozoans, and this country is going to be tormented by the republican’s sociopathy for the next two years.
Aided and abetted by the president of detachment.
Adams503 said:
Sadly, we have tried that – it won’t work. The Dems in DC don’t care about the base – they only care about the Corporations that own them. Either start a 3rd party or figure out ways to make the DC Dems fear the base.
There’s no way the DC Dems will ever fear the base, because the base will never, never, and I repeat, never, match the hundreds of millions the DC Dems receive from Corporate America and the plutocrats.
Refresh me on why a budget wasn’t passed last year? Was the issue the Bush tax break extension? Was it Senate fillibustering?
Yup.
The DLC has won and completely taken over the Democratic party. The Party of FDR, HST, JFK and LBJ no longer exists.
Well, one way to look at it is if we had a Republican President, probably all the riders would have been passed.
Yup.
A lot of people crowed when, sometime in the Clinton era, the Dems outraised the Rethugs, but it sent a cold chill down my spine.
Now just about anyone can see why.
The dems stalled for after the election. They reached an agreement, then mcconnell pulled the football so they could take the START treaty and tax cuts hostage. The dems have been consistently played.
Yep.
Kucinich had it right when he called it “The Health Insurance Companies’ Protection Act.”
Then, of course, he went ahead and voted for the damned thing.
It is hard to deny the power of money in elections, so you’re right that the Democrats will continue to have to kiss some corporate rears if they’re to be viable. A third party always struggles to get out their message as a result. Maybe social networking can help.
But since the fiscal year ends september 30, they must have been working on it before the elections, no?
Nope, he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He never intended to represent the lower classes.
Obama is the walking death of the Democratic party. As a life time Democratic voter – I cannot support him for a second term.
‘Toonist Rob Rogers gets it:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/rob-rogers
A Democratic president will never meet progressive criteria unless he/she also has a congress full of Dennis Kuciniches and a Senate full of Bernie Sanders. As you recall, Bill Clinton disappointed progressives as well. You can work to get someone in there more progressive than Obama, but if the Republicans hold onto the House majority and Republicans also take over the Senate, my guess is that person will ultimately disappoint as well. Unless he/she does lots and lots of executive orders.
“Your government is still on the same side of the street of the good Samaritan, and not with those who pass by on the other side.
Of course we will continue our help for the crippled, for the blind, for the mothers, our insurance for the unemployed, our security for the aged. And for these things too, and for a multitude of things like them – We have only just begun to fight.”
-FDR, 1936
“The Great Quisling?”
Ahh, haven’t thought of ‘ol Vidkun Quisling in a while.
The term was coined by the British newspaper The Times in its leader of 15 April 1940, entitled “Quislings everywhere.” The editorial asserted,
“To writers, the word Quisling is a gift from the gods. If they had been ordered to invent a new word for traitor… they could hardly have hit upon a more brilliant combination of letters. Aurally it contrives to suggest something at once slippery and tortuous.”
Sorry , I had a brain freeze. When I heard what happen in this latest capitulation from our side. The other side had the real Ghost Face killer(not the rap group),Cave dwelling Troglodytes,The Birthers, THE Tea party, The Evolution deniers ,The Climate Change deniers,and Jesus road dinosaurs crowd. And the pain bat-hit crazy people walking around with rocks in a sack. Our side Had Superman light,with his Kryptonite (pet rock) in a lead container, Foghorn Leghorn in a suite ,” The Old man of Sea”. Not the primordial figure, but the one from Ernest Hemingway major work of fiction.And a bunch or band losers from the hill. People we have got be more careful about who we elected for our side.The other side is playing to win. Our side is just playing.
In regards to the budget “compromise”, it shouldn’t be separated from the “cave” on the continuation of the upper end bush tax cuts. On the tax cut “compromise”, the republicans got damn near everything they wanted except for … supposedly … the continuation of unemployment benefits up to 99 weeks. Though obama postured that he got some tax cuts for the working man that the republicans didn’t want, for the most part that was bullshit … the republicans wanted those tax cuts too. He also got the chance to sell the tax cut deal to his pathetic base as a stimulus. Having democratic control of both the house and senate at the time, he didn’t drive a bargain for a budget resolution and left that exposed to a republican house and a strengthened republican hand in the senate … better to compromise with.
The current “cave in”, which really imo is exactly what the head pr man of the establishment always wanted, now cuts most if not all of that stimulus that he used to justify the bush tax cuts. But now due to the latest republican supposed demand, obama gets to posture that he protected women’s rights when he “compromised” to the republicans for more social spending cuts.
So, the pattern on both of these situations is this: the republicans threaten some action that really would be to their political detriment: cutting off unemployment benefits/closing down the government, but then obama bails their asses out and gives them the stuff that they really want (tax cuts for the rich/cutting social programs), which is exactly what obama wants as well, but it gives him the opportunity to portray himself to his demo-zombie base as saving unemployment benefits/women’s rights and keeping the government open.
The effects of these two actions are this: the rich got their tax cuts and the working class paid for it in the form of further decreasing the social safety net when the opposite is needed now more than ever.
None of this is a revelation or comes as a surprise to many people on this board though.
Z
After all the diaper soiling, they’re still spending too much money on stupid wars.
Obama
Iraq-fail
Gitmo-fail
public option-fail
taxes-fail
now we are bombing libya
Dennis Kucinich,please run in the primary. I need to vote for someone
Looks like a lot of us will be writing folks in
Not to worry…the rest of those pesky riders will be coming through sooner or later….
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party have become a threat to the middle class of America. Leaders of each party should be taken out and flogged. After the flogging, they could quite easily come together and pass legislation that would -
1. Put Millions Back To Work – Federal government invest $2 trillion over 10 years through a national infrastructure bank (run by engineers, not politicians) to create jobs now and increase productivity later. Fund with a millionaire’s tax
2. Keep Social Security Solvent For Generations – raise the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security tax to $180,000. Congress could gradually slow the growth of benefits for middle and high earners while still allowing these benefits to rise in terms of absolute dollars and purchasing power. Lower-wage earners would receive everything they are now promised. Eliminate $4.8 trillion long-term deficit
3. Balance The Budget – over time by cutting the defense budget, end agricultural subsidies, stop corporate welfare, raise taxes on the super-rich, contain the explosion of health-care costs by adding the public option, allow Medicare to purchase drugs, give MEDPAC wider authority and allow drug re-importation
4. End National Addiction To Oil – begin with a carbon tax to reduce consumption, increase energy efficiency and make alternative energy more cost-competitive. Revenues generated should go to reducing payroll taxes to stimulate employment
5. End The Wars – (another form of corporate welfare). Immediately pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen
6. End Bank Monopoly – break up the big banks, strengthen the Volker Rule, end the foreclosure crisis by giving bankruptcy judges the power to order reductions in mortgage principal owed
7. End Political Corruption – enact the Fair Elections Now Act. Strictly voluntary. Matching funds. $100.00 maximum donation. Ban politicians from becoming lobbyists
8. Encourage Upward Mobility In Society – make higher education free to families that can’t afford it. Fund with a financial transactions and bank tax
Wall Street Fraudsters and War Profiteers win. Working Americans lose.
The Koch Election Consortium wouldn’t approve of any of that so no chance in hell that’ll happen
The Dems should have drawned the line when bailing out Wall Street Banks without the demands of investing in the USA that created liveable wage jobs.The Dems should have drawned a line that a Public Opption or Medicare for all was Health Care.The Dems should have drawned the line to let all the Tax Cuts Die that was given to the Upper Middle Class and the Financial Elites.The Dems should have drawned the line and made it hard to go to War.Cuts will not do the Job.The USA has to have a leader that knows the USA has to Build,Build,Build USA First.
Federal shutdown barely avoided
Now on to the big game – the 2012 budget and Paul Ryan’s spurious deficit cutting proposals.
The budget fight will include the need to fend off the assault on woman’s health, including the right to choose the legal medical procedure, abortion. And the need to preserve and extend efforts to deal with carbon pollution and climate change. Ryan’s proposal includes the false claim that tax cuts for the wealthy reduces the deficit and creates jobs and the plans to move Medicare from the existing efficient governmental operation to the more expensive, profit-seeking health insurance companies.
Let’s hope that some Republicans will put country ahead of politics.
homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com
Kiss anything important goodbye…in the guise of “bi-partisanship” (sorry Granny, government not shutting down is far more important than your being able to go to the doctor or eat)
anotine22 said:
Agreed. There lies the problem – the Dems in DC are owned and not by us.
We can either leave and form a new party, change the green party into something that wants to win or with hold support from Corporate Dems and let them loose. Which is best/easiest to do I have no clue. One thing is for sure – working for the Democratic Party will not help.
In response to some word plat searching for a title for Obama Bluetoe2 proposed:
Bravo!!!
So far its the best I’ve heard that’s fit to use in public!
You are assuming that there are two distinct groups of bastards. They have proven to me that they are the all the same group of bastards and just blowing smoke up our asses from different directions to keep up the facade that there is a difference.
I agree, and why are the Dems accepting the Republicans premise that dept,right now, is deadly. We are not Greece,Portugal, Spain or Ireland.
They don’t control there own currency.
People, I suggest a boycott is necessary. Individually but with group power, simply cancel your Democratic involvement, if you still have one. It’s easy to do. I did it right after Obama’s first drone attack in the first week of his administration. Since then I have wavered on the edge of ‘oh well, my local Democrat is a good guy’ but that no longer. If he were a good guy he would leave the Democratic Party as I have.
All you do is write or phone your county seat and request a change of party form. Fill it out how ever you want, but put it on record you are no longer a member of this corrupted organization. Gee, how can you live with yourself otherwise? It won’t cost you a penny, and believe me it will count. Right now; do it Monday.
If those semicharismatic politicians left in the bag want votes, let them do the same. And let one of them challenge Obama from the outside.
No more support for Democrats. It wasn’t Republicans who ‘came over’ to the Democrats. It is the Democrats who have utterly failed the people they are supposed to represent. Why would anyone want to be part of that?
Sorry! Some of us are not going to let OBAMA steal the party of FDR.
Look at Wisconsin! did they start a third party? No
they are recalling every GOPer they can.
Obama, and the Corporate Dems needs to start a party and call it
“The Screw the Middle Class Party”
Nothing new here! Kabuki 1101 by OBAMA
Bush tax
Corporate Phoney Dems Scream they hate Bush Tax Cuts for a week
Corporate Fake Dems vote for Bush Tax Cuts week after
the question of the day is how many Dems follow Obama?
me thinks fire works are coming
We are joining the people of Wisconsin
F! the DC Dems we will recall a bunch of them in 2012
Pelosi was awol. She was with Soros in Boston. GOD bless the tea party.