As we near the 11th hour before a government shutdown, the wavering on the GOP side is intense. I mentioned some of it this morning: Pat Toomey and Michele Bachman balked at shutting down the government over riders. Bachmann has expanded on that in a post at RedState with the title “Not a Big Enough Fight.” Joining her in this assessment: Mike Huckabee:
“Nobody’s more pro-life than me. Nobody,” Huckabee said. “But as much as I want to see Planned Parenthood defunded, as much as I want to see NPR lose their funding, the reality is the president and the Senate are never gonna go along with that. So win the deal you can win and live to fight another day.”
Karl Rove (not sure I agree with his argument – reliance on the “strong leader” ratings looks spurious – but FWIW):
While government shutdowns didn’t jeopardize Republicans’ hold on Congress, they helped President Clinton position himself for a successful 1996 re-election. President Obama’s ratings as a strong leader have slipped this year – Gallup polling last week found he had dropped 8 points. Republicans should be careful not to let him recover as he gears up for his 2012 re-election campaign.
And Tom Coburn:
President Barack Obama isn’t likely to sign legislation with House-passed policy “riders,” including restrictions on abortion, the Oklahoma Republican said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. Coburn, an obstetrician who opposes abortion, said it’s more important to find solutions to put the country on a longer-term path to fiscal stability.
“It’s pretty unrealistic to think with this president that you’re going to get a lot of riders,” said Coburn, 63. “That’s number one. Number two is, what’s the greatest moral dilemma of our day? Abortion certainly is a big one, but if we don’t address all these other financial issues that are going to cripple those that are with us, we’ll be making a mistake.”
Incidentally, I found that one when it was tweeted out by fellow Republican Senator Mark Kirk.
Republicans look terrified to actually go through with the shutdown given the focus on women’s health and choice. The question then becomes: who’s forcing the issue?
By the way, all these Republicans are merely saying to declare victory and wrap this up. Because they know what everyone knows – this will be a substantive policy victory that sets them up well for future fights on spending. Democrats basically came almost 100% of the way to their side on that, now offering $38 billion in budget cuts in the 2011 fiscal year. That’s a real policy shift to austerity at a time when fiscal stimulus is actually still necessary. Republicans can take that sure policy victory and move on to the next fight, or sit around trying to impose a social agenda and take a political hit that could change the policy implications. The choice is clear for anyone with enough reason – and since Michele Bachmann agrees, I guess unreason as well.




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Some of these people are trying to inoculate themselves from blame since they are running for higher office.
Coburn is just being pragmatic that a shutdown over $75 million in PP cuts is not worth it. But that argument cuts both ways.
Yup. That sounds about right to me, David.
I don’t trust the ‘strong leader’ poll questions either.
Yep, they received most of what they want so they can go back their base show what a great job they did getting demodogs to roll over once again. I just hope that some of the base wakes up to the fact that they to are going to had.
Well done sir!
Whatever they do short of a shutdown isn’t going to be enough for the baggers.
Bachman, Huckabee and Coburn are with the terrorists!!!!!!! >:(
Of course, for Rove it is only about election prospects.
A minor request. When the post is accompanied by a pick of Bachmann, I’d prefer the one where she tongues W’s ear at SOTU.
EWW! I’d managed to scrub that one from my mind. Brain bleach, stat!
I think there’s something to Rove’s thinking. By accepting (willingly and greedily) the tax cuts, the Rs gave Obama a victory and a stimulus (even though that would be undermined later by spending cuts.) Without that “deal,” Obama would be in far more serious serious trouble today. Overplaying their hand now could easily make Obama look like the adult in the room — if not a leader.
Photoshopped with W’s ass.
A leader??? That’s a stretch in my mind.
I thought what she kissed was an ass?
What about “if not” do you not understand? :-)
Now that would be some spin to the simplicity that Bachman played two dimensional chess on his ass while Obama was playing 11th dimensional chess on liberals.
touché
Ouch. That goes too far. As Margaret said, brain bleach stat.
I have yet to see ANY “stimulous”, what this president has done is taken my money and given it to rich people, that was his idea of “stimulous”, the depraved and rediculous “trickle down” “economic strategies” of this guy will be paid on the backs of the labor class and will be paid for generations
I don’t want him controlling my money any more, man this guy has got to go
obama’s real hope is that the republicans will deliberately field a candidate that cannot win because they know they could never EVER have gotten the redistribution of assets if a someone from their party who ran as a republican were in office
they have someone from their party and he gets people believing he’s some kind of democrat and nothing could make us weaker
I’m not sure Bachmann is playing chess. More like lighting farts — or something less complex.
Barbara Boxer was just asked by Tweety what amount was agreed upon. She said they gave the Repubs 78% of what they wanted.
They wanted $100 billion in cuts. Do the math. She was too chicken to give the amount in $.
John Boehner needs to stop listening to the wild rantings of the extreme Tea Party and understand what’s at stake here, and get his priorities straight. You know it’s bad when Michele Bachmann is sounding more reasonable than the Republican Speaker of the House…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Checkers maybe. I doubt Bachmann would know a rook from a pawn. “Chess” probably sounds too French for her.
Everyone should withhold their taxes. That’ll learn ‘em.
Do the math, Chris. You went to a Jesuit college.
She didn’t say do the math…I did..but she’s a chickenshit…they all are.
I wonder how much longer fdl will be arround since the repukes voted to revoke net neutrality
They will accept everything in the Repubs demands and just maybe they’ll drop the PP stuff and they’ve already dropped EPA. The rest of the riders are just as bad.
Well, maybe “chess” was an overreach, but Her farts did play him like a tune.
“they have someone from their party and he gets people believing he’s some kind of democrat and nothing could make us weaker”
I agree. What could be more perfect for the top 2% than the pain associated with conservative policies being labelled as liberal failures. It doesn’t get any better than that.
As long as it takes the Senate to pass it and for Big Telecom® to write Obama, (who has promised to veto it), a nice, fat
bribecampaign check.ah….he promised to veto the bill…that dooms net neutrality, thought we had longer then that, man I wish he didn’t make that promise
I just made myself projectile vomit…
LOL
how bout those beatles?
oh
wait
that was last night on one of my very favorite light threads of all time
I think I will pack it in here at star bucks and head home, see all later
Matthews can’t stop running his mouth long enough to do simple arithmetic. I dashed off a very hostile note to the network a few days back on that very subject. Obviously, it had no effect. Never really thought it would, but it felt good to use a few expletives in that context, knowing that someone might happen to read it.
Well, he’s gotta change something I suppose.
Bulimia, huh. Photo should be on the bottom of the toilet seat at every modeling event.
Check out the dood on the left.
He’s staring straight down, he can’t bear to look either!!
LOL
Two words describe Tweety for me: Dry Drunk.
Rude weighs in on The Stupid, Cruel, and Dickish Riders to the House Budget Bill (Plus Fun with Planned Parenthood Funding):
Also, he mentions the upcoming book salon at FDL.
That’s just wrong. And way too funny! I like it.
My two words would be stupid jerk.
Not that dry. Anyone who sits across the table from him has to bring their own salad guard.
Hadn’t noticed that until you pointed it out. Poor sap..
Those work also.
More bullshit for those “Democrats” out there that still believe there’s some difference between the parties other than on social issues.
And bullshit it is, they gave the Republicans more than 100% of what they wanted, because BONER was quoted as saying in February that they wanted $30 Billion, or something like that. I’ll see if I can find it but I soooo suck at searches. So they gave $38 billion, which was MORE than what they were asking. (For others who may be asking how $78 Billion turned into $38 Billion, I believe that Obama began the negotiations with a $40 billion cut. I’ll try to find that too, but no one should hold their breath.)
Is that Virginia Foxx in the background? Again eww.
I hope you’re not writing from personal experience.
If that moran Phil Griffin is going to continue carrying Tweety’s show, then the least he can do is install bandit barriers for the guests. Sorta like what you see in banks these days…
She’s definitely a candidate for strong anti-psychotic medication and/or institutionalization..
Gots to bail. BBL…
Gosh, glad there is a rider against funding to have people put fresh vegetables and fruits on school lunches. That would be terrible, kids eating fresh food has GOT to STOP!
Bachmann is being inadvertently intelligent?
A blind squirrel, a stopped clock, and all that jazz.
OldFatGuy said @ 38
In response to Shoto @ 31 (show text)
“Check out the dood on the left.
He’s staring straight down, he can’t bear to look either!!”
He’s looking at the bulge in W’s pants.
huckabee and bachmann are looking after their own politcal butts. they would be all for this if they were not running for potus-allegedly. especially bachmann-she started the tea party caucus, and now she is siding against them.
$38 BILLION in budget cuts for one year… the ones who lose the most once again are the citizens of this country. Some of those “social” issues will simply be dealt with through defunding.
no, they have not. epa and planned parenthood are off the table as far as the dems are concerned. the tparty want tax cuts of $70-100 billion. that is not even realistic
That’s $38 Billion on top of Obama’s own, more humane cuts, such as LIHEAP.
The Rs gave Obama a victory?? No, Obama’s capitulation when by inaction the tax cuts would have expired anyway meant he gave the Rs a HUGE victory, and a huge unnecessary victory. Obama lost what little support he had from the Dem base when he did that.
The Bush tax cuts didn’t stimulate jacksh*t, and tax cuts overall are poor stimulants compared to government spending. If anything, for reasons I won’t go into, I think the net effect of the Bush/Obama tax cuts is to actually depress the economy.
Completely disagree. If Obama had called the Republicans bluff, and let the Bush tax cuts had expired, I still think he could have bludgeoned the Repugs into accepting unemployment relief continuation. He would have come out looking far stronger than he does now. If the Dems had simply passed a permanent increase to the debt ceiling, the Repugs would have no budget “hostages” to take.
Moreover, the Repugs would still be trying to do things like end Medicare, gut SS, defund NPR and Planned Parenthood, all things that are popular to their base but unpopular with everyone else—because they’re Repugs. They just can’t help themselves.
So either Obama and most Dems are stupid, or complicit on this all. Take your pick.
-stewartm
Ugh, just as I suspected I can’t find either one. Got lots of articles claiming that the Republicans wanted to cut $30 Billion, but none showing the source, and I thought it was BONER.
Anywho, not wasting any more time on searching, I just plain suck at it. Best to regard my statement above as incorrect. Memory tricking me again.
And they’re already at $78 billion, which is right in that range they were asking for.
They gave the Republicans all the cuts they wanted, they’re just arguing over the EPA and PP policy riders.
Apparently, they’ve cut a deal without the PP language…no riders…a one-week extension. Some guy on MSNBC said it. I don’t know his name..at the beginning of O’Donnell’s show.
You and I have no differences with regard to what Obama should have done. And, had he taken our advice, he might have come out a much stronger leader with his base intact.
But Rove’s advice — which I was trying to justify (apparently not successfully) — was aimed at Republicans, not us. His point was for them to be careful not to overreach and make Obama the winner.
I strongly believe that the tax breaks they willingly agreed to — or, in your terms, he gave them — helped Obama regain his footing (admittedly at the expense of his base, as you point out.) My point — agreed to by Krauthammer — is that they gave him the win and stimulus he desperately needed.
You and I agree on what he should have done. I was merely trying to make the point that Rove may have been correct — from a Republican standpoint.
But, after two Martinis — I guess I failed.
dday’s got news:
Tentative Deal on Budget Being Reviewed by White House
Here is some classic Matt Taibbi:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-class-or-paul-ryan-has-balls-20110407
Taibbi is on to something – What is it about these guy’s haircuts/styles?
Here’s my take on Rand Paul’s hair-jobby