Last night, after a meeting at the White House, John Boehner and Harry Reid issued a terse joint statement. It read, “We have narrowed the issues, however, we have not yet reached an agreement. We will continue to work through the night to attempt to resolve our remaining differences.” President Obama made brief remarks, and he said that he hoped Speaker Boehner would have an answer for him in the morning.
It’s the morning.
And there’s no hint of an agreement, at least not yet. The media has begun to realize, too, that the Republicans are shutting down the government because they don’t like women getting cheap cancer screenings or breathing clean air:
The two sides appeared to be only a few billion dollars apart on the level of spending to be approved for the balance of this year, a relatively small gap in a $3.5 trillion budget. Negotiations appeared to be hung up mostly over Republican demands to tighten restrictions on financing for abortions and to limit environmental regulations, and by Mr. Boehner’s desire to squeeze every dollar in cuts out of the Democrats that he could [...]
The policy disputes involved a handful of provisions. One would greatly limit financing for Planned Parenthood and other family-planning providers, in the United States and overseas, and prevent the District of Columbia from using its tax dollars to help poor women pay for abortions.
Also at issue were measures that would restrict the regulatory powers of the Environmental Protection Agency, a favorite target of Republicans since they took over the House, by preventing the agency from enforcing significant portions of the Clean Air Act and regulating carbon emissions.
If this were about a few billion dollars, the deal would be done faster than a haggle at an Arab souk. This is going to happen, as Ryan Grim says, because John Boehner’s caucus “would not approve funding for the government if any money were allowed to flow to Planned Parenthood through legislation known as Title X.” Interestingly, he posits it as something deeply sought by old-line Republican theocrats, who want to deliver something on social issues, not necessarily the freshmen, who are more motivated by other concerns. I’m not sure there’s all that much difference there, but it makes some sense that the concerns of more powerful House Republicans are driving the negotiations.
This was pre-ordained by John Boehner’s “open rule” for HR 1. It invested whoever passed a rider into getting their rider into a final agreement. Don Young (R-AK) got an amendment passed that exempts the EPA from regulating emissions from oil drilling in Alaska. I suspect he won’t vote for any continuing resolution that doesn’t include that amendment. Now multiply that out by hundreds.
As Dick Durbin said yesterday, this isn’t about the deficit, it’s about bumper stickers. And Chuck Schumer’s points sound correct.
Either way, Democrats have no plans to defund Planned Parenthood at the insistence of House Republicans, Schumer said Thursday night. “We have been against them from the beginning and we’re not changing, nor should we. These are fights that have nothing to do with the deficit,” he said.
Schumer said earlier Thursday that Democrats were ready to meet Boehner’s number, but that Boehner was using money as a distraction so that the public wouldn’t realize his members were fighting over cultural issues.
“The only reason the numbers aren’t solved is because Speaker Boehner knows that if he did that, then everyone would know that it’s the riders, and he doesn’t want that out. But if you look at how many hours in the rooms of negotiators that discussing riders, it’s predominant,” he said. “The Speaker’s folks have admitted that we’ve been fair on the numbers.”
Clearly, the last election was a referendum on whether Planned Parenthood effectively delivers pap smears to women. So at least this makes sense in that context.
Senate Democrats will probably try to pass a clean one-week stopgap today, but the Republicans are likely to filibuster.
Incidentally, while details matter, this shutdown is also about setting up negotiations for the next year and a half on budgetary issues, to see which side will blink. And former Reagan budget director David Stockman senses weakness: “I think the Republicans need to stand rigidly firm and shut the government down for a few days. The Obama White House is weak. If the Republicans hold the line, Obama will fold faster than a lawn chair. And the Republicans will get their $60 billion in reductions.”
That would be true, if this were about money.




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This is breathtaking. I was especially struck by the observation that the Obama White House is weak. What will they do? Agree to defund, but over a period of time? And what amount of EPA jurisdiction seceding would satisfy them? See, I do not believe the average tea partier on the street is whipped up about these issues, it is the entities funding them. I see Obama not losing a thing by standing up to them, but I know from the last two years, that’s not his stock and trade.
Have you ever actually haggled at an Arab souk, the pace can be glacial; it’s all about being polite while lamenting that the other guy is going to put you in the poorhouse over the deal.
Quit having sex people, DUH! You won’t need any gummint subsidized family plannin if u cud just keep ur britches up!! Go to church or something instead, but definitely not a Mosque!
I can’t wait to be told over and over how vital it is I support an administration that’s so weak they can’t win this argument. And I fully expect most people to blame the administration when the shutdown happens.
It ain’t ’94 anymore.
You know, incidentally, you could make the argument that if this is really really about Planned Parenthood and culture war issues then we’ve already passed the tipping point to a sort of de facto fascism. We’d have a situation where tremendous economic harm was done to the economy, even rich people, over a doctrinaire, authoritarian social ideology. It’s the kind of madness, the prioritizing of narrow ideological issues over economic health, that one sees in crumbling empires and fascist regimes. A sure sign of a completely corrupted system cannibalizing itself.
Havin sex right now!… but I’m rich so it’s Okay. And I’m not brown either. So it’s okay. And I love Jesus too, so it’s okay. And I’m married but not to the woman I’m laying right now, but that’s okay cause I love Jesus and will divorce my wife to marry her someday. Gosh working for the gummin is HARD ON a person!
I vote for folding like a lawn chair, there should be a some where that we could bet on time/date it’s done at.
It’s about people getting their way who cannot accept decided points of law that do not fit their ideology. Everyone else is wrong, not them
Thanks for :)))))
This has never been about money or the deficit. If it had been, there wouldn’t be Republican lawmakers in front of their supporters demanding the government shut down over social issues. They wouldn’t be telling everybody that corporate taxes are too high when confronted with the fact that some very large corporations pay no taxes. They wouldn’t have voted in lockstep to keep giving taxpayer money to oil companies who are the most profitable industry in the history of the world. This has always been about ideology and only the lobotomized can possibly think it has anything to do with the “deficit”. The true believers can say it all they want but they know they’re lying.
David,
All those riders and they want to shut down the government by refusing women cancer screening is terrifying in the 21st century!
I wish we could relist all the riders and proposals from the repugs.
That’s good.
So what is the price (presumably, in $Billions) at which the wingnuts give up on invading womens’ personal lives?
And by the by, where are the wingnuts now on that whole “Gubnint gettin’ between a patient and their doctor” bullshit meme? Destroying Planned Parenthood sounds sorta like “Gubnint gettin’ between a patient and their doctor…”
Suck it, wingnuts…
Clearly, the last election was a referendum on whether Planned Parenthood effectively delivers pap smears to women.
Actually, yes it was. As well as every other theocrat demand. As indeed every election is and will continue to be as long as one of the two major political parties on the ballot is in thrall to the theocrats. And the sooner the other party picks up that point and campaigns on it – unscoring that that is in fact what the election is about – the better. Every voter in the country needs to understand – and here I’m speaking primarily of the so-called independents since I think the rest already understand – that every vote for a Republican is a vote for theocratic fascism.
Zactly!
Don’t get between a uterus and its doctor!
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
For me, this government shutdown is a battle between two factions of the oligarchy, the same 2 factions that split whenever the economy is threatened by unending war expenditures and criminal energy pricegougin’ and speculation. If you place on top of that the fact that oil has peaked and the banksters are scared to death that the dollars they have successfully stolen outta the public economy are underwritten by a vanishing commodity you can see this whole melodrama including the situation in Wisconsin and the comin’ election for what it is.
Let’s let the bastards jerk each other off and focus instead on exposin’ the criminal vote fraud in Wisconsin because THIS is what is really happening in the country and both factions are gunna go broke if the government shuts down long enough to send the economy over another cliff.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE FOLKS!!
David Stockman is being UNFAIR to lawn chairs !!!
I wish republicans all get cancer. Cancer of the brain. I’m willing it now, Scott, Canssa, Canssa of the brain…
Except that one side is telling the truth about sending Americans to the poorhouse here, and it ain’t the GOP:
And Rafe, I take it you’re not married or if you are, you don’t have daughters?
The obvious hypocrisy needs to be thrown in wingnut faces, repeatedly and publicly. Why the mindless beltway press neglects, fails or refuses to do so is appalling to me. “But…I might lose my seat on “Morning Joe.”
Personally, I would consider being thrown off of that piece of cable dogshit as a high compliment…
Absolutely!
If they would tell the truth and all get thrown off it wouldn’t be long before the pundit shows would be begging for them to be on.
An empty guest line up on a 24/7 pundit channel would surely change the way they do things!
Why is Bonehead on my tv talking about responsibility?
He has NONE!
You need to put a prophylactic on that damned TV! Just don’t expect the taxpayers to pay for it.
You will catch a hideous brain injuring disease if you don’t protect yourself.
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: Republicans Balk at Government Shutdown Over Planned Parenthood
Ah, someone who is biology-challenged AND a bigot. Well, that covers two bases. I wonder how many more?
stewartm
LOL. One has to really search through the metaphor drawer to find something even more foldable, eh?
stewartm
People are buying this meme from the Democratic establishment. That’s bad enough, but now we are selling it.
By the end of the day, the “social” rider of our uteri and “health” will be taken out for a stand alone vote. “Compromise” will win the day. The Democrats will vote “yeah” and “yea”, giving away the house, having voted in austerity.
Which then results in the supposed same “social” concern of our health they said they cared about in the first place. Austerity effects women more than any other economic class. Both sides (men) will have used our uterine “health” to save face and wipe the placenta from the eyes of the American people.
We will all be able to see the light that austerity is the only way. Only a Democratic President could sell this shitty diaper and get away with it.
The truth is clear.
It’s a show to highlight their only difference. Social issues.
That good enough for all you pups???
Continue with fascist economic policies from both parties but rejoice over the fact that with one you can count on some sort of defense of social issues?
Anyone tell me what good a right to an abortion is if you effectively can’t get one because of the economic conditions??
Anyone tell me one difference the Democrats have gone to the mat to like this that is an economic one? Or a Presidential Powers one? Or a security state one??
So we’re all good with the Democratic Party as the lesser of two evils when they start and fund wars and tax cuts for the rich and cut every known program for the poor so long as they fight hard for social issues???
Wow.
Just wow.
I am soooooooo rethinking my belief in FDL.
Yup, “social” issues have just become the cover for the illusion that many of the Democratic officials and voters still give a crap or hold any resemblance to their former selves. Last I looked, “social and economic justice” were never separated from the other.
Since the days of Lee Atwater, the Republican party learned they could distract citizens from the economic issues which truly bring about inequality in this country by concentrating on “social issues”. Now we are seeing both parties using this approach. By the way, I also believe to defund Planned Parenthood is disgusting for more reasons than I will articulate here, but the bigger issue is why are the Democrats going along with Billions in cuts?
The Democratic party has agreed to $38 BILLION in cuts. How will that impact all of us? Will that somehow turn around an already “sick” economy for so many citizens?
Let them.
Obama will probably intervene to ask Democrats to give in to the Republicans. That’s his style.
You nailed it, OldFatGuy.
Eh, the shutdown is a MacGuffin. The point is to control the headlines (and consequently, policy) after several months of Wikipedia and Wikipedia-related stories (revolutions, resignations, banks, oil, etc.).
That the US is implicated in so much of this tells me that the Libyan war brouhaha was a more-or-less intentional distraction. Obama takes a dump in the pool and the whole country now has to figure out why *that* happened, all the while handing bankster “settlements” out the back door.
Too bad the Dems aren’t tough enough to call Boehner’s bluff. The Left is pathologically incompetent at hardball.
OBAMA gave in on Planned Parenthood. I don’t understand progressives who keep supporting this guy. Since he’s prez, progressives have lost more than with any other president, republican or democrat.
Is it time to wise up fellow progressives that when push comes to shove on all important issues to his base, Obama ALWAYS caves in?
The govermrnt reminds me of a bunch of wolves happily yelping while tearing apart the goverment programs that have been in place and worked well for over 50 years.
They act like a spoiled children whose only cry is “THIS IS WHAT I WANT AND I WILL CRY UNTIL I GET WHAT I WANT”
I say if they want to git rid of planned parenthood and the epa tell them we wil but we would like to get rid of programs that they support, like tax cuts for the wealthy and corpations, raise the tax rate of capital gains to 50%, add so many riders to get rid of so many programs the republicans like and make sure that the press knows what they are.
The only plan the republicans have is the plan of “WE ARE GOING TO CUT” so say to them “WE CUT ONE OF YOURS, YOU CUT ONE OF MINE” and see if they are really interested in cutting the budget or just blowing something besides smoke.
Why Do you think they want to defund and cut aid to higher education. they want the public to to stupid and ignorant.
I believe you meant “WikiLeaks.”