The President will speak in just a few minutes on the long-term deficit and strategies for getting it under control. Rep. Paul Ryan will be in attendance, along with cat food commission co-chairs Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson. The speech can be watched live at Whitehouse.gov or above.
The advance reports I’ve seen of the speech make it a mixed bag. I think the part on entitlements will be significantly less consequential than many believe (and the poll numbers make that a pretty good strategy), but the overall spending cuts more consequential. Defense will see some hits as well. And there will be probably the same insistence on ending the high-end Bush tax cuts, again trying to cleave them from the entire set of tax cuts.
Of course this is a policy vision, not something that the President will just enforce. It sets up the beginning of a negotiation. And there will be some news on that front as well.
As to why we’re here at all, the President wants to win re-election and thinks that path includes a “serious” discussion on the future of the budget. There hasn’t been much of a serious discussion about the future of 14 million-plus unemployed workers. But the White House believes that will take care of itself. Either that, or they’re rationalizing this way:
“The White House shows little sign of worrying about a dip in growth and how it might affect the unemployment rate, which has fallen by a percentage point since the year began but still sits at 8.8 percent, danger territory for an incumbent president seeking reelection.
Obama advisers largely believe, instead, that the economy has moved on from what White House officials call a “Phase 1” recovery—in which the government was forced to cut taxes and spend heavily to pump up consumer demand and rescue the nation from the brink of another Great Depression.
Now, the officials believe, the recovery has reached “Phase 2,” where the prospects of a double-dip recession are slim, expanding growth can survive a hit in government spending, and the total level of spending cuts is less important than the composition of them. (That reasoning helps explain why the White House was willing to agree to $38.5 billion in cuts to the current-year budget in negotiations last week, while insisting on protecting education and research programs the administration sees as key drivers to future growth.)”
They’re just not that concerned about it, which is interesting, since their electoral future depends on a strong recovery. But what do I know?
Coming up in just a few minutes, at the bottom of the hour…
…One nugget that’s been leaked is that the President will call basically for negotiating for cheaper prescription drugs through Medicare. He scores it at a savings of at least $200 billion over 10 years. The Pharma deal is dead!
…The topline number that everyone will report is that Obama will call for $4 trillion in deficit reduction. But he does it over 12 years, which means a smaller reduction than Bowles-Simpson or letting the Bush tax cuts expire.
…Obama has taken the stage.
“This debate over budgets and deficits is about more than numbers on a page… it’s about the kind of future we want.”
…Obama starts by outlining the role of government, essentially to “do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves,” in the words of Abraham Lincoln.
This is a good paragraph:
Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff, may strike any one of us. “There but for the grace of God go I,” we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities. We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.
So far this reads like a lecture on government, the value of the welfare state and progressive taxation.
People are going to get rightfully mad at the notion that “we lost our way” on fiscal responsibility in the post-Clinton era, when George Bush had a Republican Congress for six years. He just can’t point the finger at Republicans when the moment warrants it.
Graf: “To give you an idea of how much damage this caused to our national checkbook, consider this: in the last decade, if we had simply found a way to pay for the tax cuts and the prescription drug benefit, our deficit would currently be at low historical levels in the coming years.” That’s, um, still true.
…The lecture had moved on to why rising debt is important. Now moving to the bond vigilantes…
Other than the bond vigilantes bit, I’d say that this preamble is generally 90% factual. Right now he’s explaining the budget itself, which is in fact 2/3 health care spending, the military and Social Security. What he’s leaving out is the massive spending in the form of tax expenditures.
…I love the brushing over of … “economists think that with the economy just starting to grow again, we will need a phased-in approach.” In other words, we shouldn’t really do this right now, but I’ll just throw that in as an aside and get on with the cutting.
…Pretty strong on the Ryan budget, not letting up.
…Obama says “put simply, this would end Medicare as we know it.” Killing Ryan on cutting taxes on the rich. Somebody pull the plug before Obama proposes something, so far this is fine!
The fact is, their vision is less about reducing the deficit than it is about changing the basic social compact in America. As Ronald Reagan’s own budget director said, there’s nothing “serious” or “courageous” about this plan. There’s nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. There’s nothing courageous about asking for sacrifice from those who can least afford it and don’t have any clout on Capitol Hill. And this is not a vision of the America I know.
The America I know is generous and compassionate; a land of opportunity and optimism. We take responsibility for ourselves and each other; for the country we want and the future we share. We are the nation that built a railroad across a continent and brought light to communities shrouded in darkness. We sent a generation to college on the GI bill and saved millions of seniors from poverty with Social Security and Medicare. We have led the world in scientific research and technological breakthroughs that have transformed millions of lives.
…Ahh, he didn’t just walk off the stage after ripping Ryan a new one. Ah well.
So there’s the topline number, $4 trillion over 12 years. There are some parts to this: keeping discretionary domestic spending low and cutting defense is the first. I should note that there are twice as many discretionary cuts as there are in defense in this plan. In Bowles-Simpson is was 1:1.
…The health care stuff:
The third step in our approach is to further reduce health care spending in our budget. Here, the difference with the House Republican plan could not be clearer: their plan lowers the government’s health care bills by asking seniors and poor families to pay them instead. Our approach lowers the government’s health care bills by reducing the cost of health care itself.
Already, the reforms we passed in the health care law will reduce our deficit by $1 trillion. My approach would build on these reforms. We will reduce wasteful subsidies and erroneous payments. We will cut spending on prescription drugs by using Medicare’s purchasing power to drive greater efficiency and speed generic brands of medicine onto the market. We will work with governors of both parties to demand more efficiency and accountability from Medicaid. We will change the way we pay for health care – not by procedure or the number of days spent in a hospital, but with new incentives for doctors and hospitals to prevent injuries and improve results. And we will slow the growth of Medicare costs by strengthening an independent commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and consumers who will look at all the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending while protecting access to the services seniors need.
Now, we believe the reforms we’ve proposed to strengthen Medicare and Medicaid will enable us to keep these commitments to our citizens while saving us $500 billion by 2023, and an additional one trillion dollars in the decade after that. And if we’re wrong, and Medicare costs rise faster than we expect, this approach will give the independent commission the authority to make additional savings by further improving Medicare.
But let me be absolutely clear: I will preserve these health care programs as a promise we make to each other in this society. I will not allow Medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry, with a shrinking benefit to pay for rising costs. I will not tell families with children who have disabilities that they have to fend for themselves. We will reform these programs, but we will not abandon the fundamental commitment this country has kept for generations.
Basically, extends the cost savings in the Affordable Care Act, adds bulk purchasing of prescription drugs, increases the power of the Independent Payment Advisory Board.
…The Social Security bit is verbatim from the State of the Union. Basically, it’s “you deal with it, Congress, and get back to me.”
…”I refuse” to renew tax cuts for the rich again.
This is the breakdown:
This is my approach to reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next twelve years. It’s an approach that achieves about $2 trillion in spending cuts across the budget. It will lower our interest payments on the debt by $1 trillion. It calls for tax reform to cut about $1 trillion in spending from the tax code. And it achieves these goals while protecting the middle class, our commitment to seniors, and our investments in the future.
That’s a 2:1 ratio of spending to taxes to close the deficit.
…This debt failsafe is pretty silly:
In the coming years, if the recovery speeds up and our economy grows faster than our current projections, we can make even greater progress than I have pledged here. But just to hold Washington – and me – accountable and make sure that the debt burden continues to decline, my plan includes a debt failsafe. If, by 2014, our debt is not projected to fall as a share of the economy – or if Congress has failed to act – my plan will require us to come together and make up the additional savings with more spending cuts and more spending reductions in the tax code. That should be an incentive for us to act boldly now, instead of kicking our problems further down the road.
You can’t bind future Congresses. But the idea that you should is pretty stupid. You can’t talk about 2014 and forced spending cuts unless you know what the economy looks like in 2014.
Here’s the “some will say, others will say” part that’s in all Obama speeches. One directly tackles the notion that talking about spending with 8.8% unemployment is crazy:
Others will say that we shouldn’t even talk about cutting spending until the economy is fully recovered. I’m sympathetic to this view, which is one of the reasons I supported the payroll tax cuts we passed in December. It’s also why we have to use a scalpel and not a machete to reduce the deficit – so that we can keep making the investments that create jobs. But doing nothing on the deficit is just not an option. Our debt has grown so large that we could do real damage to the economy if we don’t begin a process now to get our fiscal house in order.
The stimulus from payroll tax cuts is gone. Period. It was cancelled out by the 2011 budget deal. The rest of this just asserts that doing nothing is not an option. Evidence-free.
…Then there’s this:
Indeed, to those in my own party, I say that if we truly believe in a progressive vision of our society, we have the obligation to prove that we can afford our commitments. If we believe that government can make a difference in people’s lives, we have the obligation to prove that it works – by making government smarter, leaner and more effective.
Well, we can prove that. We have proven that. It’s called “let the Bush tax cuts expire.” And, scene. We can do a few other things at the margins, but that about does it.
…This is the news peg:
And in early May, the Vice President will begin regular meetings with leaders in both parties with the aim of reaching a final agreement on a plan to reduce the deficit by the end of June.
So that’s the timeline.
…wrapping up. This could have been a ton worse. Other than the fact that this speech is being given at all, I didn’t have a major problem with it.




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Thanks, Kelly. Yes, the rage will be mighty.
Seconding that. Thanks, Kelly. Good thinking.
Wow. He really out-American Flags all the other American Flaggers.
Talk about voodoo.
Here’s my *serious* questions for everyone.
Who does Obama think this speech’s audience is?
Who does he think he is talking to today?
And what does he hope to accomplish?
And not being snarky here … but maybe he’s *just* talking to Ryan and Simpson?
It sure as fucking hell ain’t me.
LOL! They evidently haven’t walked down main street.
Trickle-up austerity.
jeezus, rinse priebus was just on with mrs. greenspan and spewed 5 minutes of douchebag vitriol. These guys are in total attack mode. Donna Brazille came on immediately after and her first response to a softball question had ‘win the future’ in the first paragraph.
Rachel Maddow was just on with mrs. greenspan, and it looks like she may have put down the kool aid cup. She came down hard on POTUS last night, and today she threw down on his putrid victory dance speech from saturday.
The line he crossed for her was the Planned Parenthood betrayal in DC.
Today, if he hints that SS has some room for bargaining it will be gloves off.
We’ll see.
He is not talking to us, hasn’t been since the campaign trail.
History, silly. /s
Well, Rachel better get ready for more betrayal — lots more.
We’ve had ten years of the Bush tax cuts. Lets be fair and have ten years of no Bush tax cuts. Lets see what is better for the nation in 2021.
JP Morgan made a 67% profit last quarter while revenue was down. How does that happen?
amen!
They hire Enron accountants.
Good catch.
His audience is congress, specifically the GOP. I think he’s hoping that if he surrenders unconditionally, they won’t ask for anything else. He’s wrong.
He think’s he’s talking to the American People. He really does. Sad, isn’t it?
He hopes to accomplish his re-election. What, you thought this was about the economy?
Boxturtle (Perhaps if he bargained directly with the Tea party…)
Obama wanted a public option, then killed it for Pharma. Obama wanted drug re-importation, then killed it for Pharma. Now he wants to negotiate Medicare/Medicaid prescription prices? Don’t worry, he’ll kill it for Pharma.
The Pharma deal is not dead.
Here he goes slinging the BS from the starting gate..
LOL! (slaps knee)
HEY!
I just posted a diary for anyone not wanting to watch the speech or wishing to blow off some “shrill” steam during said speech
cbl’s bounce house is here
oh yeah, I’m a giver :D
Fuck you, Obama. Fuck. You,
OMG! Here comes the baby boomers. It’s challenge, doncha know.
This is what is happening to our country!! More kabuki!!
Exactly.
The usual puerile analogy with the household budget, which Plouffe no doubt thinks will appeal to the idiots he assumes BO’s talking to.
Sick. and. Sad.
but – at least it is *Bush’s* fault….
dear president obama,
your comments re the deficit, the surplus and “american becoming debt free” are TOTAL BULLSHIT!!
…..
ackk. the stupid, it burns!
my president’s speech is as bat-shit-crazy as anything i’ve heard from ms. palin.
Got the sound muted. Would rather have a sharp stick in my eye than listen to this despicable POS.
Oh god, ‘win the future’
Full text of speech here:
I’m seeing the first leg of the lawn chair folding.
actually thought of putting together a I’d rather ________ than listen thread
Me too…amazing how dishonest he looks.
Read this and know why America the Ugly is no longer America the beautiful.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/04/our-polarized-and-money-driven-congress-created-over-25-years-by-republicans.html
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Elect whomever the outcome will be the same…the political dice are loaded.
“borrowing from china”
!!!???!!!
i can’t listen any more. too many lies, too many right wing talking points. too much deadly neoliberal nonsense.
and way too much bat-shit-crazy.
i’ll read the transcript later.
But he is back on campaign trail, and talk is cheap.
Pitching it toward “the young people out there” because they fear they’re going to stay home next year.
‘win the future’ 2
Why would health care continue to rise? Wasn’t the purpose of the magical health care reform deal to make sure that health care wasn’t hyperinflated?
Yup.
I know this is from the WSJ, but assuming it comes from the WH, it is so much shit it makes me want to throw up. Where is the White House getting this crappy advice? If it is coming from Geithner’s camp (which I suspect), he ought to be shown the door. Who the hell is doing the work over there. As to the CEA, once they got rid of Christie Romer, they had nobody left who actually knows what they’re doing.
That statement has ‘Confidence Fairy’ smeared all over it. Obama still seems to be living in HOPE. The rest of us have moved on.
c’mon over and play !
#fail.
Didn’t see your quote before I made my rant. Worse than voodoo.
That was just a sliver.
2/3 of our budget are spent on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security…
Fucking asshole.
Ohhh. Here comes the truth, he says.
There he goes again. Our budget is spent on social security. It isn’t.
No problem. More rants, please.
He’s telling us that SS, M/M are getting in the way of education and clean energy and food safety.
What a fucking prick. I’m outta here. Bounce house, here I come.
yep.
Why the HELL is he talking about education. Hasn’t it been privatized already. What’s the delay?
I hate that phrase. It’s a terrible motto, and easily disparaged by just about anyone who is paying attention.
Boxturtle (Remember Gerald Ford’s WIN – Whip Inflation Now?)
Just like Charlie Sheen we are “Winning the future.”
Feeling quite sick since he started talking … now I’m dizzy.
Tiger blood.
thank you! will do!
hopefully with the volume off and knut’s rants to read, i’ll recover from what i’ve heard so far.
With the sound off, he’s a smug little asshole.
#WINNING!!!!!!
I *think* he thinks he’s found his mojo. Definitely in campaign mode. The people who care about all this shit are LONG gone.
This will not end well. The Republicks will roast him alive.
Right now he is banging on the GOP plan and how unrealistic it is.
A line in the sand.
Lot’s of pretty words, I’m not going to hold my breath though.
Obama spends trillions on banks and war, guaranteeing slashed social programs. Anything else is theater.
“The America I know is compassionate …”
Not. ANY. More.
B. Manning would disagree with that statement.
It’s in sand alright.
blah blah blah .. see the talking puppet lie and lie and lie ..
Why in hell would anyone listen to this creep.Didn’t he sound reasonable during the Presidential election…and what the fuck happened,he screwed us.
Now for chrissakes! do you really think he means what the fuck comes out of his mouth.
Wake up People.
‘win the future’ #3 jesus christ
Cuts in Defense spending. He is walking in the right direction on that one.
Yaaaay! we’re saved because we’ve forced grandma to pay for her own heating and told the deadbeat under 5 set that they’ll have to tighten their belts because we can’t afford all that reckless spending on WIC.
This would have been nice for a FIRST State of the Union …. WAY. Too. LATE. now.
Yawn…just another campaign speech. Gonna do this, gonna do that, blah blah blah.
Funny how we can’t afford tax cuts for the rich yet we could afford that last year.
Yeah, whatever Mr President…
Does he think that everytime he says it, we take a drink?
Boxturtle (We should have started a buzzwrod drinking game for this speech)
Heh, yeah because the last budget that they just negotiated cut defense right? Oh wait…….
A convincing data point all on its own. Yes. Wow: that compassion line made me really upset.
New Medicare commission to look at costs and keep them in check.
Ugh, here comes he “death panel” debate again.
This POS keeps shifting the meaning of “we,” back and forth between “we” the rich and “we” the majority of the American people sinking into poverty.
Here’s what the wealthiest Americans are hearing: “We can pay less and less in taxes while making more and more profit.”
Anyone want to take a shot at what the rest of us are hearing this POS say?
But he’s not going to abandon the health care needs of seniors.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Gag me.
Somebody should just run up there and punch him in the dick.
[insert modnote here]
He’s real funny with all his “I will not allow” platitudes.
Yeah right…Republicans will bark and you’ll be kissing their shoes giving them whatever they want.
Walked right into it. He’s a cretin!
Tax expenditures now.
The caving will continue until everything is gone, starting in 3… 2… 1…
“I refuse to renew the tax cuts again”
Who’s watching over the pool?
He wants to limit the itemization the wealthy can take at tax time, and redo the tax scale with reform to make it more fair.
what the fuck is this ‘deduction’ thing/
what the heck do you think he’s going to do? why dont you vote for Romney or Palin then? everyhthing Obama is saying makes total sense to any reasonable american, and its not magic … i cannot understand the whiners on this site who bash Obama and have no clue beyond criticizing… imagine if McCain was running the show> then you’d really be happy huh?
Not their shoes.
Lies. And campaign slogans that no one should ever have to listen to ever again.
Well I’m trying to keep it family-friendly.
Has he pronounced the word “jobs” yet? I didn’t hear it.
I thought that was his line LAST TIME!
Oooooh. A fail safe.
A fail safe that requires them to do something if they haven’t done something? That’ll fucking work.
we are so fucked.
If what he’s saying makes sense to you — with Bush tax cuts HE extended, two fucking wars, and 14 million unemployed — then you don’t get it.
id love to know what some of you would like him to say? you ‘progressives’ are ridiculous, we dont live on mars, you cant just snap your finger and get what you want .. not with nut jobs like the Tea Partiers around, u have to outsmart them, not out yell them…
Ohhh, now he has a fail safe plan to make sure that by 2014 if the deficit is not lowered then…
Well then, er uh, um…
You are not my audience. Perhaps you are Obama’s? I guess so.
god that was the nadir.
and the “something” required is bat-shit-crazy.
why are u so sure they’re lies? shouldnt you be out campaigning for Huckabee?
I know. It’s really sinking in. This speech is totally incoherent in the present context. Through the looking glass.
You read it without knowing the context and it doesn’t seem bad. You read it in context and you say ‘talk is cheap.’ We’ve heard this siren song before. He didn’t deliver the first time, and there’s no reason to think he will deliver this time. If he gets down in the trenches and takes a few hits in the face for ordinary people, maybe I’ll change my mind. No free pass. I think a lot of the public who used to support him feel this way now.
Limiting itemization doesn’t mean much of you’re paying a far lower percentage of your income in the first place.
Restore the tax rates to what they were in the ’90s and let the rich keep their deductions.
My impression is that it would significantly increase revenue.
How much are you getting paid for this?
what on earth do u expect him to say?? you deserve a President palin, reader, and thats what youll get with your attitude
the rich give back? Is he delusional?
we don’t have a national deficit problem. we have a stupid problem.
This fucking asshat has the audacity to bring up healthcare costs?!?! After what he signed off on last year?! It’s time for a fucking smoke. I’ll bbl.
He would have to walk a whole bunch of shit back and undo it to get anywhere near what he thinks he is saying today.
All in a lock box for safe keeping.
Leave me alone. Thanks.
that would work if they had a tax burden to begin with. Most of them, like GE don’t and those that do hide it all offshore.
I’ll +1 the comment above…just how much are they paying you?
The biggest problem is the complicity of the MSM. If these various media outlets were doing, ya know, their jobs, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Laying out a case for sane budgeting and domestic policy is easy if the very rudimentary points are spelled out clearly and succinctly. The MSM is more concerned with spinning inanities than with doing the job that they pretend they are doing…
He used the unemployed word at the beginning of the speech, I believe he called them poor unfortunate schmucks or sumpin’
The “rich” give us so much just by being part of our country. I just wish they would grace us with their presence more often so we can tell them how we really feel about them right to their faces.
Oh shit. He’s sending in the Biden.
OMFG…Republicans want to do the right thing for the country? You really think this?
He IS delusional.
Right. That’s a different problem, though, which also needs to be fixed. Restore the tax rates to where they were in the ’90s and prosecute those who avoid paying taxes by hiding money offshore.
Just tuning in. Has he promised a massive public works program and universal health care yet? Oh…
Absolutely! They could ride through each town and burg for us like good little Kings.
Yeah, send his ass down the road.
What a load of saccharine b.s.
Obama turns to the weasels, saying, “Please do the right thing. You’ll have a little less money, but you’ll feel good about yourself.”
Does anyone else hear laughter coming from the gated communities?
Thank god it’s over.
He give trillions to banks, trillions for war, appoints a deficit-hawk stacked budget commission, puts off passing a budget until the Pubs win the House, and then he makes a speech designed to convince his base that he still has their backs.
Yeah, with a knife. Feel the knife? Feel the blood dripping down your back? This guy says that Reagan saved Social Security, when in fact Reagan used it as an undeclared regressive tax. If you are a progressive, your duty to future generations is to fight him and all his ilk from the UniParty.
Not laughter so much as the popping of corks…
Well then, for once my timing was *perfect*. Heh.
Can we kill the live feed now? Mod? David?
Yup…it’s earth-shattering.
I’m sure they’re writing the checks out right now…
What are you referring to? /s
I watch them come out of the gates smiling everyday. The rest of the world is in deep depression watching our friends lose their homes.
Let’s see- he believes in choice but allowed anti choicers to hijack debate and ended up signing away women’s reproduction rights in health care that has helped herald in no less than 75 different bills on abortion. Let’s not even get into what he just did to the women in DC.
Then there was the mandate that he was against before he was for and his “fight” for the public option.
Then there is Guantanamo. Although I totally get that since his Secretary of State’s only experience was holding diplomatic tea parties/s
The number of times this guy has said one thing and done another is pretty darn epic.
Detailed (maybe) briefing coming in a couple of hours! Woo Hoo! /s
Yeah, well, I don’t think they’d find the people bowing and/or curtseying to them. I for one would hurl insults. Others might hurl other things.
So, everyone at the DNC is doing high fives right now?
Oh noes you said Palin, I’m ascaired.
:-)
O has my back? You mean O has a knife in my back.
“i can’t listen any more.”; I couldn’t listen to begin with. His voice does to me what Dubya’s did, brings about the same feeling as nails on a blackboard.
Nothing but another pack of lies. There is no recovery. Per Robert Reich and many other less delusional economists. Wall Street is one thing, then there is the real economy, which is deeply in the toilet. Look other nations are seriously starting to move away from the dollar, sell Treasury bonds and he Obama regime is devaluing our currency. This is all circling the bowl activity, not recovery. So he starts the speech with an outrageous lies and just continues, I had to leave because my husband wants to listen to this shit. Instead I am reading an excellent book with Orwell’s letters and observations. He would appreciate the massive doublespeak in this speech, “we will destroy Social Security to save it” ‘We will destroy Medicare to save it.” Right. But these are, after all, the same people who believe we are saving people in other countries by bombing them. The massive delusion and robbery of the American people goes on…
Another “Profiles in Courage” moment from the man who could have stuffed the U.S. Treasury coffers with taxes at 32% (for the wealthiest 5% as they were under Clinton), punitive monies from BP, compensatory damage awards from Wall Street, monies garnered from shoring up tax loopholes that allow companies like GE from having any U.S. tax liabilty while garnering $3.7billion in tax write-offs…..
All of which could, and should have been done by a man who came into office with 300 electoral college votes, and a majority of his party in control of the House and Senate….(and did nothing!!)
Now, I am supposed to believe that the man who flushed a public healthcare option that could/should have been passed with not one single Republican vote is going to get his latest budget “vision” passed in the current economic climate?
Give me a break! Loves the sound of his own voice and means nothing that comes out of it. Of course during the campaign many of us warned of just this; a man who wanted the trappings of the position and wanted to be everything to everyone in order to have his sense of greatness stroked and affirmed by his chanting minions.
Of course we who expressed grave reservations of this man, and found him to be a kindred spirit of Reagan and George W. Bush, were shouted down with “yes, we can” and “that’s rascist”!
Geraldine Ferraro was correct when she said that a woman running for the Presidency with as flimsy a record as Obama would have been laughed off the stage.
Then the re-packaging began….
The guest lecturer in Constitutional Law was turned into a Law Professor, which he never was.
The commnuity organizer was put on the same level as Governor or Senator.
The anti-war speech no one heard or recorded when it happened initially, was turned into a second Gettysburg Address!
The great reader of the teleprompter was turned into the mighty orator, who can speak off the cuff and bring light out of darkness!
No Change….Very little Hope!
(grin) That was my idea. A great opportunity to let them have a load of their crap back.
Yes! Fight the Uniparty fascist regime and it’s bullshit. What a pack of lies the Tall Talking Turd is putting forth yet again.
Agree. The action has to match the words, especially with the anticipated blow-back, and that hasn’t been a hallmark of this Administration.
And as we know, it just wasn’t just DC. He cut foreign money for family planning, cut WIC, and Title X ended up getting a budget decrease.
It was absolutely amazing how he could point out with a straight face that our problems with spending began in the 80′s and still consider Reagan some kind of effin’ demi-god.
QE2 on our dime.
It’s heads they win, tails they win.
What was said about jobs?
I love it too when he keeps saying that everyone has to sacrifice. You’d think he’d point out that the poor and the middle class have sacrificed massively already, right, and that the wealthy have in fact made out like bandits while everyone else has suffered. No? He didn’t say that?
What does ‘living within our means’ even mean? No one ever suggests such a thing about fighting the next war or building the next weapon, or creating the next wall street bailout. Why do we have to go begging for loans anyway, when we are the ones who create the currency to begin with? He talks about medicare savings. Really? Medicare isn’t where the waste is. He talks about reforming social security. That means making people wait longer for social security – these are people who are already working multiple jobs just to get by, working more and making less. Raising the minimum wage to where it should be – that alone would massively raise tax revenue without hurting anyone. Taxing financial transactions as they should be taxed – that would raise massive amounts of money and reduce the incentive for speculation.
And the beauty of all this is that Obama KNOWS that the GOP will axe all the good parts of his plans, such as they are, leaving us with just the bad. He’s counting on it.
We don’t need to be fooled. We need to fight back harder than ever.
Pete Peterson’s tool has spoken. O what a POS is O.
Translation: If things cost more dollars than they now cost, countries like Brazil and places where ‘unrest’ is burgeoning won’t be able to afford our fighter jets and counterinsurgency tuition and supplies.
The Tea Party isn’t pleased. They are so yesterday. Didn’t you noticed Romney is in. That means he is the GOP pick. 2012: Reagan Dem vs. Moderate GOP. The GOP used the Tea Party just like Obama is using you.
He didn’t talk about jobs. He didn’t talk about what type of economy we are to have, or how the near future will raise income and prosperity for citizens.
He actually did point that out. He pointed out that 90% saw a decline in wages while the richest have prospered. That and a quarter will get a poor person a gumball out of the gumball machine. I watch what he does, not what he says. He just cut WIC and LIHEAP and he gave the rich more this last go round on the budget. That was after repassing the tax cuts in December.
The Tall Talking Turd is talking to the fascist ruling class, the people he works for, assuring them that he will do everything he can to make sure they don’t suffer any economic adversity, while he divests the rest of us of everything. And he’s cluing the Republicans that he is ready to capitulate, as usual. The Uniparty scurries on…
Not one mention of climate change. Not one mention of the attack on women. Not one mention of torture.
My favorite ludicrous quote was : “The biggest threat to our national security is the deficit.” What total bullshit. The biggest threat to our national security is the instability coming with climate change, and the corollary permanent war. This guy should declare himself a Repuke and be done with it.
BT is upstairs.
Course not. No way is he gonna dis his pharma buds.
He’ll just give them more taxpayers subsidies to make up the differences.
Going for a walk. The stress on a daily basis is just too much.
That’s because he has no plan to increase prosperity. None,nada and zip.
Judging by his first 2 years, just the opposite of what he says.
The “DEFICIT” (cue the horror show music) is the early 201x’s new “terrorism.” Terrorism is so 2000s.
It’s just more Kabuki Show Flim-Flam from the con-artist whores in Wash DC.
“The biggest threat to our national security is the deficit.”
He said that? LOL! The biggest threat to our national security is the program of austerity that will be passed when O capitulates on every progressive promise he has ever made.
Just wait until austerity is in full swing. Then I suspect they’ll see trouble from the huddled masses.
The more things change, the more they remain the same…. Pres Opposite rides again!
Surprising he didn’t restate his support for the public option.
If he actually meant what he said, with no lies, regarding plans to follow through on letting Bush tax cuts go and cutting US military fat around the world–I’d say his speech did not suck too much. I consider wars where we were never attacked as fat. He now needs to fight like a maniac to keep his word. Dems in the House and Senate need to get their act and guts together to form one strong force–or else they are saboteurs to Obama and the life of our country.
The actual quote is :
“But as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Mullen, has said, the greatest long-term threat to America’s national security is America’s debt.”
Blue Texan’s regularly schedule post was postponed due to the liveblog, but is available now: White House Strategy FAIL: Appeal to Independents by Giving Republicans Everything They Want
Thom Hartmann on the radio raving about Obama’s “brillian political ju-jitsu”.
Eleventy-mensional chess is back!
Best summary of the day!!!!!!!
I thought I heard him say that the CJCOS told him that, but ‘debt’ not ‘deficit’.
O.M.G.
So give him a call and tell him to veto the bill that will include neither of those things. Bush tax cuts aren’t up again until 2012. “Fat”! does not equal war. Almost laughable that you think it does.
oh thank god their usual mad optics skillz treated us to some women and people of color in the “chat”
oh wait !
cutting energy /heating and cooling financial assistance to old/young and poor
=
generosity, compassion.
telling poor people in Washington D.C. …… no help with abortion for you, poor person.
also
=
generosity and compassion.
The bit about cutting more if these cuts don’t reduce the deficit isn’t just silly, it’s insane.
These cuts will trash the economy and raise the deficit. So when that happens… Obama says he will want to cut more?
A balanced approach… aka “splitting the difference with insanity”.
It depends on the definition and number of phases. Absent that framework this means nothing.
dabear– Fat DOES equal BS lies to war. Fat Iraq. Fat. Fat. Fat.
But don’t you understand that the rich will give some back because they care oh-so-much for the country and it’s people?
ditching Washington D.C. needle exchange program, which
is proven to save lives, and money
=
generosity and compassion.
Yes, I corrected it at #176
they’re not doing that, it didn’t make it in the deal.
it’s the neoliberal two-step.
thomas palley explains:
more here:
http://www.epsusa.org/events/1010conf/ssprogram.htm
The America I know is generous and compassionate.
That is the most demeaning, patronizing crap he’s evet said.
The oligarchy must’ve stifled a few giggles at that one.
Reminds me of how the religious Right keep
people down with biblical diddies like
the poor being closer to God. Sick.
The ruling class must maintain control.
Pretty damn sad it was.
Hartman said he sounded like Campaign Obama. Ya think?
Watch all the liberal talkers except for Malloy line up and salute.
I wonder why these military men’s opinion on the threats to national security don’t matter much?
Climate change, national security and energy dependence are a related set of global challenges that will add to tensions even in stable regions of the world, found the panel, known as the Military Advisory Board.
military panel from 2007.http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2007/2007-04-16-05.asp
You have to enjoy the comedian that is OBAMA
I Obama was for the bush tax cuts in Dec. 2010
Now I am against the Bush tax cuts, because I need some votes
However, I Obama have always been interested in cutting Social Security.
I Obama yet again, ignored the number 1 issue in the USA the Economy and Jobs, to waste people time talking about a deficit crisis that does not exist
For example, when it is time to Attack Iran, we want have no budget crisis at all.
I Obama will ignore the number 1 issue in the USA the rest of my term, WHY everyone knows Hoover ideas don’t work.
Fat equals some program you have never heard of. A bridge to no where program. “Fat” is a carefully chosen word that goes in teleprompters. He can’t say “earmarks”. That sounds too Republican. It actually probably means Defense getting their money back from foreign policy programs. Look for Fat to be a followup to cutting more (last bill) funds for family planning and women’s programs in foreign countries.
you must not like undercover boss?
the show that makes rich people look nice :)
dabear–fat is unnecessary bullsh!t. Iraq was and is a load of fat. I believe fat was my word. Thanks very much for the useles lesson in civics.
Sorry if I excised it from its context, but it’s really incoherent squinting, it’s like Limbaugh’s style.
Fixed.
Well, then my bad, indeed, if you said, “Fat” rather than “Billions” or 50 cents out of every tax dollar.
And that wasn’t civics. That was a lesson in doublespeak. Are you a “progressive” that says “entitlements” too?
Campaign 2012 let the fine meaningless rhetoric begin.
It’s a lovely day.
That’s code for “there goes the middle class mortgage interest deduction”.
Hey, Topper, you want some answers, try today’s from Glenn Greenwald:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/04/13/obama/index.html
Yeah, he sure outsmarted them when he extended the Bush tax cuts, and last week when he capitulated on cuts to the poor & elderly (not to mention stabbing DC voters in the back)…
Hijean831 for President!
Gee wiz,
The Rescumlicans Offered a budget that is so far to the right it fell off the cliff and Obama offered a budget that starts in the middle, anyone have a clue where they will meet with compromise?
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Greenwald can’t seem to decide if Obama is the cause as the transitional president he describes, or only a symptom of an institutional problem, as his description of Washington politics signifies. What Greenwald stops short of saying is that the progressive left needs to pull harder to be noticed by anyone in Washington, let alone Obama, even if it means pulling away from the Democratic Party. Otherwise, all of this is just impotent rage.
That’s a great job of encapsulation the basic overview, the points that should stand out to anybody with eyes and ears. I give you a grade of A+
At the election, the rightist lowbrows did their job, of irrational race bate, and birther bs and caused a strong reaction to that, to tease out the white guilt, and that “we should give B a chance! ” Just the usual vetting of qualifications took a back seat. While some of us probably had ongoing pointless arguements with these around those kinds of things, not seeing the judo somehow that they were able to mindlessly employ, in service to their… whatever it is, ( devil ?) that they work for.
So you got a recycled “communitee organizer” ( a peoples upstart… outta nowhere… ) ( on “Sixty Minutes ” first, there’s a little help from the MSM )
Miraculously appeared from the “heartland” a much needed replacement for the “dunce king” [like one of the Roman idiot rulers in history. ] Then that episode should have sort of gone away quietly, as supposedly a kind of anomaly that happens infrequently, just a rich scoin that got all his ducks in the line and breached the thing.
but the pattern can be seen now. Puppet show, but not funny, some of the characters might make good templates for muppets, but
I just saw a bumper sticker that said
OBAMA BIN LYING
IMPEACH OBAMA
I’m sure it was a Republican bumper sticker but I love the sentiment!
Wow. Speaking of primary. Did anyone see this on Huffup? “An Open Letter to Hillary Clinton”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/an-open-letter-to-hillary_1_b_848589.html
I still don’t think she’ll do it. Bernie must run as an Independent! We need an Open Letter to Bernie.