I wrote at the end of the liveblog on Obama’s speech today that, but for the fact that the speech should never have been given, I didn’t have much wrong with it. Obama got suckered into making a big show of his deficit reduction bona fides at a time when the biggest problem in the country concern millions of idle bodies who could be working and contributing. The weakest part of the speech was his rebuttal to this concern, where he says he basically agrees, he gave everyone a payroll tax cut (which doesn’t do a heck of a lot for people not on a payroll), and an evidence-free assertion that “doing nothing on the deficit is just not an option.” But it’s actually quite a good option.
At the moment the international investment class is prepared to lend money to the United States of America at low interest rates. What’s more, at the moment the United States of America has a lot of infrastructure needs. Furthermore, at the moment the United States of America has a large number of unemployed people. The logical course of action would be to accept international investors’ desire for us to increase our volume of low interest borrowing in order to put people to work on useful infrastructure projects. Near the end of his speech, Obama said that “doing nothing on the deficit is just not an option.” But it is an option! It’s not an option for Spain, which is facing sky-high borrowing costs. It’s not an option for Portugal, which just accepted a bailout from the European Union. But it is very much an option for the United States of America. It’s a good option, an appealing option, an option that will increase our wealth over the long term. It won’t be an option forever, but that’s all the more reason to exercise the option while we can.
Policies like this are just a missed opportunity, a chance to actually win the future with investments in the present that extend our economic performance. We could recover the half of the deficit created by falling tax receipts just by employing people. No deficit reduction works at 8.8% unemployment.
But this is Washington, and they’re consumed with deficit frenzy at the moment. The era of stimulus and investment is dead, to the extent that it was ever alive. So what did we get here?
Well, we got a lecture that started with a generally correct statement that the deficit problem was caused by tax cuts and wars overseas. Then there was a balanced set of proposals put forward to fix it. It wasn’t “end the tax cuts and the wars overseas,” though there was a nod to that early in the speech, a line that probably snuck in from an early draft. “If we had simply found a way to pay for tax cuts … deficit would currently be at low historical levels in the coming years.” That’s still true. In fact, most of the deficit problem goes away with the Bush tax cuts. The rest could go away simply by ending the wars and reducing defense to pre-Bush levels.
The President was extremely hard on the Republican budget introduced by Paul Ryan. He correctly said that there was nothing courageous about picking on the poor and rewarding the rich. He said that the plan would “end Medicare as we know it” and turn it into a voucher system, including the excellent line “their plan lowers the government’s health care bills by asking seniors and poor families to pay them instead.” He said that tax cuts for the rich were obscene.
But instead of the simple math equation I outlined earlier as a response, we got the complex one devised by the President today. It includes a raft of policies:
• $4 trillion in deficit reduction, with the creation of a new 12-year budget window that allows for less cutting than the usual 10 years.
• $800 billion in discretionary spending cuts, through the current five-year freeze and additional program cuts. I’d rate that extremely austere.
• $400 billion in security-related cuts, including defense and homeland security. So the ratio of domestic to defense cuts is 2:1.
• Increased powers for the Independent Payment Advisory Board to lower cost growth in Medicare to 0.5% above GDP, rather than 1%. The IPAB would be able to reduce payments and restructure Medicare to ensure they reach that target. In addition, the prescription drug industry would take a hit: Medicare would be allowed to bargain for cheaper prices, and biologic patents would be reduced from 12 years to 7. The formula from Medicaid would be changed in a way that cuts costs, but that’s fairly vague. Basically, this implements the cost-saving measures from the Affordable Care Act and piles on a few more, for a total of $480 billion in additional savings.
• There are $360 billion in additional cuts to mandatory spending, like “Ag subsidies, the federal pension insurance system, and anti-fraud measures.”
• One trillion in increased tax revenue, through letting the Bush tax cuts expire beyond the first $250,000 of income, and reducing tax expenditures. This could result in lowering rates, depending on the amount of expenditures eliminated. Also they want to cap itemized deductions.
• Social Security got a passing mention and it was verbatim from the State of the Union. The impression given was “Congress should deal with it, so… get back to me.”
So to get to $4 trillion, you have $3 trillion in spending cuts and what they’re calling “interest reductions,” on the theory that reducing the debt lowers the interest payments, and $1 trillion in tax revenue. This is considered a “balanced” solution.
slight update: If it’s true that tax expenditures are being counted as spending cuts, then the 3:1 ratio goes down significantly. I actually don’t mind that formulation as a rhetorical device, but it makes it harder to see what the balance is.
Here’s how Harry Reid responded, showing that the speech was marginally useful:
“The President’s responsible vision for reducing the deficit provides a clear contrast with Republicans’ reckless plan to end Medicare and Social Security. The President’s plan will reduce the deficit by more than $4 trillion while protecting seniors on Medicare, and it recognizes that Social Security should be dealt with separately. The Republican plan, on the other hand, uses the shared goal of reducing our deficit as an excuse for slashing seniors’ hard-earned benefits in order to pay for tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.
“There’s been a lot of talk about shared sacrifice when it comes to cutting spending and reducing the deficit. Republicans believe the sacrifice should fall mainly on seniors and the middle class, while millionaires and big corporations get more tax breaks. As the President made clear, Democrats have a different view. We believe that the responsible approach is to make sure the wealthiest Americans contribute their fair share as we try to bring our fiscal situation back into balance.”
This rhetoric is all fine. And the rhetoric in the speech, with its defense of government action, was mostly fine too. But the direction of the debate is all wrong. We’re wasting human potential with a focus on deficits. It’s the wrong time and place. The speech is fine a) if you believe the lines in the sand will not be crossed and b) if you ignore the fact that millions of people are out of work.
UPDATE: Then there’s the point about this becoming the new baseline, the leftward pole in the debate, a point Paul Krugman makes here. That’s a dangerous step, and even worse is the silly “failsafe” which will mandate spending cuts and tax hikes if these deficit targets aren’t met by 2014. That’s essentially a spending cap, and it’s a terrible idea.



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DD great post
DD great point here
“The weakest part of the speech was his rebuttal to this concern, where he says he basically agrees, he gave everyone a payroll tax cut (which doesn’t do a heck of a lot for people not on a payroll), ”
this says a lot, Obama and his political team are not good at connecting the dots, the statement above says it all.
Obama refuses to deal with the Economy.
Obama also refuses to point out this huge fact! that WALL STREET failed and the middle class bail them out! remember 2008? anyone
Obama and the MSM treat the rich like they are GODs, no! they are not.
A lot of wealthy people in the USA got bailed out, because they failed.
the rich don’t need to help the middle class, they owe the middle class!
13 trillion dollars is one hell of welfare plan! me thinks
“Medicare would be allowed to bargain for cheaper prices, and biologic patents would be reduced from 12 years to 7″; now weren’t these the very items that ‘couldn’t get passed’ when the House and Senate had ‘good’ Dem majorities? And didn’t the WH scuttle Durbin’s efforts and lined up votes for the drug price negotiations?
The failure to speak about a ‘jobs program’ really says a lot about Obama’s plan. Another missed opportunity by “The Orator”.
And Medicare includes Medicaid so what about the aid to the States for Medicaid?
I don’t know about anyone else, but can’t they see a 3-card-monte grifter when they see one?
While I appreciate the thorough review of the speech – it’s incredible that after 2 1/2 years of watching this administration and President, anyone could open a sentence with: “Obama got suckered into making a big show…..”
Obama got suckered into nothing. He and his team are doing exactly what they want. It is the misplaced blind faith of those who still believe he represents their beliefs that are being suckered. That progressives weren’t represented in the speech is a given. However, it’s hard to find the democratic party anywhere in there either.
yikes!
1) there is no deficit problem other than it is too small.
2) do you have any evidence or argument that the deficit can be decreased by either tax increases or spending cuts? (other than the neoliberal mythology i think it is?)
the deficit can not be forecasted without taking into account the effect a deficit reduction would have on the economy (hint: it’s not good). neither net tax increases nor net spending cuts will help because we need a bigger deficit to keep the economy from crashing — and this is true so long as the private credit is broken and so long as the private sector is not taking on more debt.
it’s really simple, i’ve posted it before… but knut said, “These basic points of income accounting cannot be re-stated too often.” and it looks like i better post it again: it’s called a fallacy of composition. these are really important in macroeconomics.
here’s a bit from randy wray’s “Teaching the Fallacy of Composition: The Federal Budget Deficit”
We could save $$$ billions if DC negotiated lower Rx prices. But of course that would cut down on the number attending Obama’s $1,000-a-plate dinners.
Careful David. You’ll upset the Obamabots.
Borrow. The. Money.
Fix the employment problem, not the deficit canard. Jeeze, our government sux.
The man has absolute zero Kelvin credibility. It is a certainty that anything that sounds good is going to turn out to be really bad. End of story.
Investing in infrastructure is such a no-brainer on so many levels that it hardly even merits discussion. And yet, the nation’s capitol is stuffed to the gills with half-bright deficit hawks doing their level best to convince the citizenry that the sky is falling.
Hey DeeCee Pols and Enablers: Expire the Bush tax cuts, tick rates up a few points on the very wealthy, make corporations pay, implement all manner of infrastructure projects and Voila! The economy starts humming again. Just exactly how complicated is this, anyway?
This really is Shock Doctrine at its finest.
The more I read text from the speech the more I realize that this was just a setup. He’s painting the background for next month and the month after.
They’ve already negotiated the deals and decided exactly how this will go down.
I wonder if we can make enough noise to stop them? Maybe we should call Wisconsin, see how they did it.
Thanks, selise. I never get tired of reading that.
Oh stop it. FDR already did that. We can’t copy him. That would be so 80 years ago.
I would love to know just what the phrase “win the future” means. I understood that it was piffle when the Big Zero said it but now you use the phrase so I presume you have some understanding of it’s meaning…any chance of clarification?
amen!
Yer hired as Chief Economic Advisor.
Good point. I’ll bet they didn’t even have covered wagons then, let alone cars…
I agree with DD about the “wasted human potential.” With so many people unemployed or underemployed, not to mention that the jobs out there don’t begin to tap into the potential of those who have them, what’s missing from the government’s approach so far has been to directly create jobs.
On the speech, I was very wary before it started. Obama could easily pull a Bill Clinton and fall for “triangulation” around welfare reform, or these days social security, medicare, medicaid and discretionary programs. Today he didn’t and so he also didn’t lose my vote in 2012 yet. Depending on how he and/or the Democrats roll out the budget and negotiate for it, it could turn out to be pretty reasonable. I liked how he made it clear that the Paul Ryan approach is to kick grandma to the curb. That should be the message when Republicans try to say “we’re broke, we have to ‘privatize’ these programs (read: corporate hand-outs and grandma not being able to afford proper health care). Corporations and the wealthy need to pay more in taxes, so that is the path to generating enough revenue to avoid very harmful cuts. Are the Republicans going to stand up there and say “those making above 250k/year absolutely can not give up their Bush tax cuts?” I dare them to do that and insist on cutting all this aid.
Democrats are notorious for their ability to lose on a winning issue, so time will tell.
KISS
Keep It Simple… Smarty!
Raise taxes on the wel to do aka: rich.
Sometimes it’s just so obvious, that it is easily overlooked!
It also is one of those things, like some glaring thing, like a huge nose, you have to pretend isn’t noticeable… the people are being tricked again by their good nature, to go along with the ruse. TAX EM GOOD! It’s for their own good, they’ll thank you for it… someday.
Tax hell out of em!
By definition, a frenzy is irrational. What is it that every school and college counselor annually repeats to their charges: Put your mind in gear before you put your mouth in motion.
Congress and the president are putting us in motion while keeping their minds in neutral, and neither is looking at how steep down hill is the road we’re on. Nor have they checked the brakes.
No they aren’t.
Deficits are code for destroying social welfare.
There’s this shiny award called The Future™ and Obama wants to win it. It’s given out once a generation by Wall Street and goes to the person who takes the most future from poor people and delivers it unto the rich.
Can’t relate.
Yes, but. Results are what I’m waiting for, not promises.
No I cannot accept that. You have capitalized The Future and that is, in my book, cheating. But you do get an award for creativity.
“on the theory that reducing the debt lowers the interest payments..”
My understanding is that the debt is for money that has already been spent. So how does reducing the future deficit lower interest payments on past debt?
Start with the idea that one needs to spend the money to accomplish critical goals. National Security is a valid goal but I have yet to hear anyone justify what we spend upon it other than picking on a few obviously stupid and wasteful programs. We need to go back to zero based budgeting. Everyone penny above that needs to be justified. If we cut the defense budget in half it would be equal to what we had in 2001. Were we unsafe then? What has changed since then that required doubling the budget.
Restore all the tax cuts. Cut the defense budget in half. Proceed to step 3.
We are freezing discretionary non defense spending for 5 years. What is it about that kind of spending that can be cut while defense can’t. Is spending in that sector somehow more wasteful than defense. Is fighting glboal warming less important than defense. Actually, it is much more important because one is talking about our ability to inhabit the future planet with a semblance of comfort and civilization.
Obama has framed this whole thing wrong. If our real security was at stake and we believed it, I guarantee no one would be talking about cutting one penny from the budget.
I object! With a link!
Republicans have already said there is no way they are going to raise taxes. Just a few minutes ago on Hardball, in fact.
Thanks so much selise. I have been reading and listening to what you provided me a month ago. It’s DEEP but really required for us to understand how we are being played.
Keep saying this here and everywhere you interact with the public. I’m still in the process of digesting the info you provided.
I’m very, very worried about this passage: “That’s why I’m calling on Congress to reform our individual tax code so that it is fair and simple – so that the amount of taxes you pay isn’t determined by what kind of accountant you can afford. I believe reform should protect the middle class, promote economic growth, and build on the Fiscal Commission’s model of reducing tax expenditures so that there is enough savings to both lower rates and lower the deficit. And as I called for in the State of the Union, we should reform our corporate tax code as well, to make our businesses and our economy more competitive.”
Why? Well, the deficit commission recommended cutting individual tax rates for the wealthy EVEN MORE than they already are, plus getting rid of the mortgage deduction and EITC. This will basically result in tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for everyone else, ESPECIALLY the working poor. So let’s not get our hopes up…
Objection sustained…but it still does not absolve the doofus writing such a phrase that has no bloody meaning. Where, oh where, have all the editors gone.
From the twitter -
They’ll be handing out KFC wet-naps, hand sanitizer, and KY Warming Liquid at the door.
I’m at work, so I’m missing the talking heads. It’s one thing to say “raising taxes is bad,” another to say “and therefore we need to cut social security.” When there’s a conversation, a debate, in which each side gets a turn to talk and shouting doesn’t make you “win,” it might be good food for thought for the voters. AARP could endorse the Democrats. How about that?
Dingaroo!
Forgive us our debt that has arisen due to their corruption and greedy judgment…then maybe people could get credit again and save their homes.
Doubleding
thanks oldnslow. i didn’t figure this out for myself (not smart enough, not even close), but i did spend a lot of time looking for some macroeconomics that was not stupid…. and fortunately there are economists like galbraith, wray, etc who are willing (and in fact want to) teach what they know.
OT: A lil’ dab’ll do ya???
But isn’t a country just like a family? /s
thanks! me too. it takes time to adjust to new paradigms when there is a life time of indoctrination to identify and question.
LOL!
Glenn Greenwald today makes the no longer startling claim that Mr. Obama is actually a shrewd operative and political negotiator. He just doesn’t want the outcomes he sometimes tells his base that he wants.
Fundamentally, Greenwald reminds us, Mr. Obama is a “centrist, above it all” defender of the status quo. He doesn’t care what that status quo is, how it came to be or what it might otherwise be if he used his political capital, if he exercised what earlier generations called political courage and leadership, to change it. To him, that’s not what his job or politics is about. His job is to take the status quo as he finds it, to give it strength, to make it endure. Mr. Obama’s actions, not his occasionally stirring words, prove that out.
Sadly for America and Main Street Americans, Mr. Obama inherited the CheneyBush regime. No matter for Mr. Obama. Disdain for the rule of law? Corruption at the DoJ, dismemberment by lobbyist political appointees of business regulatory agencies? Domestic spying, government secrecy, whistleblower prosecutions? The use of inhumane and tortuous interrogations for political ends? Disaster capitalism at home and war abroad? Those are his givens.
Mr. Obama fundamentally doesn’t care. He’ll run with whatever ball he’s given. He’ll expect applause when he crosses the goal line. He would be nonplussed if it were ever pointed out to him that the goal line he repeatedly crosses happens to be the the Republican one. Or if it were ever pointed out how badly he’s thereby hurting Main Street Americans. The phrase, I think, is acceptable collateral damage.
Mr. Obama’s actions consistently fit Mr. Greenwald’s description of them. The issue is how can liberals and progressives respond to such a blank slate.
Blackbird.
debt peonage to the banksters.
Ding!
Bwahahaha.
Nevertheless, the CPC budget will be vastly superior to any other budget found in DeeCee.
Too bad they’re all actionless cowards who have no effect on policy.
I’d say they’re there to keep the seats warm, but all pols are cold-blooded, right?
That analysis of Mr. Obama also makes sense of the mirror, mirror problem behavior that Cynthia Kouril and I discussed on an earlier thread.
Mr. Obama aggressively supports the status quo in whatever forum he finds it. In Lawrence Tribe’s class at Harvard Law School, the status quo was to read the constitution from a civil right’s activist’s eye. At his summer job, he read from the Book of Goldman Sachs.
When community organizing in Chicago, it was to read the lay of the land from the view of the poor and dislocated. When in the US Senate, the status quo was defined by the once and future vice presidential candidate, Joe Lieberman (albeit from the Democrat and almost from the GOP bench).
In the White House, the status quo is a hard militarism that benefits US claims to global resources and the policy claims of America’s strongest lobbyists – the voices of its military-intelligence industries. Privatization, war and lower corporate taxes are good, then.
The loudest voices on economic policy inside the Beltway, not just inside the West Wing, are all from Goldman Sachs followers. Obama and Geithner’s follow on to Bush’s bankster bail-out could have been (and probably was) written with their wish list in hand. In dealings with Congress, it is the GOP wish list Mr. Obama deems fits the status quo. He takes it as his own, grabs the football and races down the field.
There used to be a small toy that had a funny walk on table tops. When it hit an immoveable object, it made an about face and kept walking without missing a beat. A comic toy to amuse exhausted students at 3 am. Mr. Obama, however, is deadly serious.
I disagree.
O supports corps have much more power (complete power) than they currently have.
Mr President…talk is cheap and blowing smoke ain’t going to cut it your pals Bowles and Boobman Simpson were seen with you today and you kept mentioning them …the People’s budget and the debt plan presented by Jan S are good plans we should push the Dems to push Obama to go left…the people don’t want SS cut or cuts in Medicare and upping taxes on the rich,,,end the wars!!!!!!!!!!
Good post, David. But i actually don’t think it matters that international investors want to loan us more money. Most Americans do not support that. You first have to convince all of us that we are not in deep, deep debt trouble. The GOP has already sold that line.
I think the only way to get O to move left is to push him there. That is, we the people have to help him along.
Or help 0 to the leature circuit
America sells its government bonds to any willing buyer. The more the merrier; it keeps prices low. It doesn’t really care who the buyer is or factor as a negative the political pressure that comes with owning so much of a debtor’s debt that you can smartly influence its conduct.
I submit that he cannot be pushed left. Nothing will drag him there. The left is anathema to him. He hates the left, and all things progressive.
I think that perfectly fits your observation that “O supports corps have much more power (complete power) than they currently have.”
Gee! well said…..He is already getting it from the so called progressives on MSNBC.
We have seen this movie before say somethings progressive in a speech & then look the other way once the time comes.
We have precedent,2008 campaign.
Tinkering with “entitlements” like Soicial Security and Medicare that are not fundamentally broken is unwise and regressive. However, the president finally acknowledge the reality that taxes on the wealthy will need to go back to the levels that created such prosperity before the Bush tax cuts. From the bipartisan deficit commission to former Republicans, there is a universal demand that the dogma of tax cuts be turned back. And every poll shows Americans fully supportive of tax hikes for the rich. This is a sober first step…
Bingo!
I am ready with a big push if you are! :)
Deficits do matter
From Billy Blog
Now let’s explore trending the government defect to zero, that is G=T at the limit of the deficit.
(S – I) = (X – M)
If there is a trade deficit, X – M is negative, X – M < 0, so
(S – I) < 0 that is the private sector is going to go into deficit, the amount being the trade deficit.
The trade deficit has to include all account of foreign effort, including earnings from financial services.
Conclusion
Reducing the deficit is going to make US business profits fall from their current high values, and the business will fight to raise fees to transfer wealth from the increasingly impoverished to the corporations.
Analysis
First the corporations will try to extract more from the impoverished, which has limits, and cut costs by accelerating outsourcing which will increase the trade deficit, then we are in for interesting times.
The corporation will not necessarily see their profits diminished because their activities are spread over multiple economies.
Obama’s entire presidency has been a missed opportunity.
Let’s hope the American people fire him soon for his failure to achieve any of the goals for which he was hired.
Obama’s speech was really easy to see through, this time. It was 3 points of baloney and 1 point (open “entitlements” to change) of truth. He’s not gonna keep the tax cuts on the rich, blah blah blah. All the same crap he’s said before and immediately “caved”.
Yup, 3-card-monte is exactly what it is.
In our casino economy, anytime you cannot spot the sucker at the table, chances are that sucker is you.
the private sector includes households as well as business. it’s everything that is domestic non-gov.
p.s. thanks for reading the link!
I agree Obama never connects the dots. He is also talented at excusing his own behaviors and laying the blame on others.
However, a speech is just that talk.
In practice Mr Obama has governed as a republican.
It was Mr Obama who chose a) not to fight for lower drug costs by making back door deals and signaling the House and Senate to ignore Byron Dorgan’s call for just that. b) Mr Obama allowed the insurance lobby to write the health care bill insuring costs remain high c) Mr Obama failed to fight and handed the GOP the Bush now Obama tax cuts for the wealthy and he added a payroll tax cut himself inflicting the 1st wound to Social Security.
Mr Obama always relies on a speech. He fails to act, however. And he always capitulates and sacrifices the People in favor of the GOP’s wealthy lobby group.
I can not trust such a weak individual who chose advisors all from Wall Street to salvage Social Security and Medicare. And sorry, you do not save a program by decimating it.
These programs work. They are only in danger because lack of leadership allowed government officials to extract the funds and never pay them back. I do not know about Mr Obama nor the GOP, but my paycheck has two boxes in it, one showing the FICA taken from my check another for Medicare taken from my check. I pay quite a lot for these programs. I said for these programs. If they are general fund monies they should not be in a separate box on my check but simply federal tax. They are segregated because it is a fund and insurance contract made with the people. The government stealing those funds for general fund activities which cater to their personal special interests is a theft and a breach of contract.
I wish Civil Liberties and others would begin litigation.
It is unconscionable.
But Mr Obama thinking a speech will win back those he long turned his back on is kidding himself. Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. A speech does not undue Mr Obama’s republican governing style. Without real actions taken PRIOR to the election, I could never trust him again.
We’re seeing Candidate Obama, who is to President Obama ia Dr. Jeckyll is to Mr. Hyde.
Or, talk is cheap. It’s actions I’m judging you on, Mr. Obama, and so far, I’m not convinced of your bona fides.
Well, I don’t have much to add to this. Obama has no balls and all the talk in the world won’t change that. Actions will.
It would be easier to believe that this was the line in the sand if he hadn’t walked back from a series of lines in the sand from his 2008 campaign, like:
* a public option
* not renewing the Bush tax cuts
* closing Guantanamo
* genuinely rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure
* genuinely building a green economy
One could go on. The rhetoric was pleasing. But, as Nixon said, Watch what we do, not what we say.
When hiring Obama, why did you give him a workforce that wasn’t committed to the same objectives? Really now, why elect only 53 real Democrats, 4 conservative Democrats, a socialist, and an independent, and a RINO,with only of the Democrats with a razor thin margin requiring five months to seat. Did you think Republicans would compromise with Democrats after they thought they were at the beginning of a century of total power, so you didn’t need to elect 65+ Democrats to the Senate?
We do not have a dictatorship, so something like consensus is required which with the current Republican Party requires super-super-majorities in Congress to make Republicans compromise and move to the center.
I find so much of the commentary over the past several years so depressing because it all seems to assume or call for a strong man or dictatorship to govern the US, just not a Republican dictator.
The US is a republican government defined by the Constitution. It is clearly stated that the two chambers of Congress are more important in the legislative process individually than the president. Yet you expect President Obama to override both chambers of Congress.
Obama is not the obstacle to getting the legislation you want; the obstacles are the members of Congress. Fix the problem by focusing on the 535 people who are each more important to legislating than Obama.
The Republicans focused on the 500 or so who were up for election in 2010, and while they attacked Obama almost as much as you do here, they knew the goal was electing as close to 500 Republicans to Congress as possible. In 18 months, the issue isn’t going to be who is president, but who is the 500 elected to Congress.
Obama was lying. How do I know? His lips were moving.
Talk is cheap and all I see here is talk.