Hey, remember that Libyan war? Third simultaneous conflict? I know, spending on wars has nothing to do with the budget, so it’s been removed from the discussion lately. Anyway, NATO’s in charge now, and the US bugged out. They’re not even running bombing missions anymore! Except, as friend to FDL Spencer Ackerman points out, they are:
Pentagon officials confirm to NBC News that U.S. pilots have attacked Libyan air defenses three times in the past week. They’ve not hit Moammar Gadhafi’s ground forces, the ones that continue to attack rebel positions and Libyan civilians. And the Pentagon swears it’s kept its pledge to remain in a “supporting” role for NATO by pointing to that distinction.
“We do not characterize those as ’strikes,’ because [air defense suppression] is considered a defensive, vice offensive, mission,” said Col. David Lapan, a Defense Department spokesman.
You decide if that’s a distinction without a difference. The mantra from the Obama administration was that the U.S. contribution to the hot end of the war in Libya would last for “days, not weeks.” According to Lapan, six F-16s, supported by five of the Navy’s EA-18 Growler jamming jets, have flown 97 sorties to suppress Gadhafi’s air defenses since NATO fully took charge of the war without U.S. gunships on April 4.
And this is all before NATO meets to decide on stepping up the mission. They’ve already begun to attack Gadhafi’s forces around the orphaned city of Misurata, which is in a humanitarian crisis. And while NATO members pledged all means of support for the Libyan rebels, including cash and “means of defense” (that’s arms shipments), the rebels have begun to clamor for ground troops.
Libyan war cheerleader Juan Cole forwards talk of an uprising in Tripoli. But I don’t think anyone is convinced of a quick end to the Gadhafi regime anymore. And the humanitarian crises that the military operation was designed to avert are already coming to pass – the World Food Program estimates that half of the country’s 6.5 million residents will have trouble finding food if the fighting continues much longer. Here’s Andrew Sullivan:
My concern is that this war was begun without any serious, far-ranging discussion of what should happen after the massacre was prevented. White House sources tell me there will never be boots on the ground, and that the no-fly zone will be NATO’s responsibility, not just America’s. They also tell me there will be no arms funneled to the rebels. The next phase will, apparently, be like Iraq between the first and second wars against Saddam: a no-fly zone, and an economic, diplomatic squeeze until Qaddafi pops out of Libya like the pus in a ripe zit.
But the Iraq experience surely shows the severe limits to this pop-the-zit strategy.
The sanctions and a decade-long no-fly zone were, after all, not sufficient to force Saddam from power. Dictators have learned the art of hanging on the hard way, and Qaddafi is not the type to give up. We’ve already seen the massive superiority of Qaddafi’s armed forces, despite the successful targeting of munition sites and tanks. We are also now witnessing the classic asymmetrical response to a super-power. Qaddafi’s forces are now in the white pick-up trucks used by the rebels, making it harder and harder to target them from the skies. He is arming those civilians loyal to him with rifles. If the struggle for power ends up within major cities, like Tripoli and Benghazi, the allies will be toothless. Bombing densely populated areas would inevitably lead to large civilian casualties, and the US is not Israel in this regard. It is not acting in self-defense; it is acting in an attempt at long-range social and political engineering. And, of course, the last thing the US wants is to kill Libyan civilians in order to save them.
He concludes that escalation would be the natural consequence of Gadhafi remaining in power, which incidentally is what we’re seeing. And the US is involved.
As Spencer stresses, the President just called for $400 billion in deficit reduction from the defense budget by 2023. The Pentagon was none too happy with that, by the way. But it stretches credulity that you’ll get any deficit benefit from war operations when you keep larding on more wars. Nobody’s talking about how much these Libya sorties are costing Americans. And you can bet that won’t come up in any “grand bargain” negotiations, either.





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Everyone should read this article posted on zero hedge. Guess what it points out that the bankers, the criminal cartel, are also part of the reason we attacked libya. While nobody thing Ghaddafi is a saint it also highlight the living standards in libya. Free, education, free health, a $50,000 interest free loan on marriage, and so on. Want to know how ghaddafi does this? libya’s central bank is owned by the govt so they loan money interest free and hence can pay for all these public projects.
I urge everyone to read the article and do more research.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking
Cheerleader is right. Juan Cole is losing credibility, or should be, by the minute. One thing to support this stupid war, quite another to promote it in such a way that completely ignores the dangers and dismisses opponents. He’s coming across as a zealot.
Before too long with all the re-definitions of war and attacks, December 7th 1941 will effectively be redefined as a defensive non-war act, while the US was the aggressors in responding…afterall the Japanese had no ground troops and they went after military targets. I really wish someone would ask Obama about the humanitarian air defense suppression in Pearl Harbor.
I read the article and I certainly will do some research on this. Thanks.
LMAO! Didn’t need an article to figure that out! Thanks for the link though. :)
This juxtaposition is odd:
And, neither is Israel. And, when did the U.S. have a problem with bombing densely populated areas?
Who coulda anticipated.
Now that’s out of the way…
Early on, Juan Cole wrote a piece about why Libya wasn’t Iraq 2003.
I left a comment asking why it wasn’t Iraq 1991.
Of course, such a stupid question did not deserve a response.
Another one of my idols who developed feet of clay. But none have fallen from grace quite so rapidly in my experience.
Good article, and thanks for bringing attention to this issue — but “third simultaneous conflict?” Come on, let’s not be stingy. The largest and most aggressive military force in the world is capable of so much more brutality. Its acts of terror continue in Pakistan and likely other countries, not to mention its indirect acts of violent repression through its strong influence and military aid:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/13/us-pakistan-violence-idUSTRE73C1OB20110413?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
Time to switch to ‘smart sanctions’ already? /s
Well put! I think the Pentagon has taken over the country. No one has yet taken notice of this.
I don’t understand all of the hubbub over this. The US turned control of the operation to NATO. But the US is still part of NATO. I’d assume the US would continue to be involved with missions, they’re just not running the war anymore. Frankly it’d be more surprising to me if the US wasn’t involved in this NATO operation. The whole purpose of NATO is for its members to act mutually.
This should be no surprise to anyone. In all of NATO, the U.S. is the only military with the capability to take on the surface to air missle sites. We fly the AWACS and the Wild Weasles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Weasel –no one else does.
The growing economies of Argentina and Brazil are a perfect example of this.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2007-11-07-argentina-economy_N.htm
NATO aircraft have to attack Libya air defenses so that Libya air defenses don’t shoot at NATO aircraft when those NATO aircraft are attacking Libya air defenses. See? Simple.
Well, yeah, would a “Defense Department spokesman” ever be involved in offensive operations? Everything the “Defense Department” does is — by definition — defensive in nature. Invading, bombing, rocketing, you name it, it’s all “defensive,” Keeping America Free™.
Libya may have had a civil war betwixt Libyans which if the US,Europe and the UN had stayed the hell out of would very likely have been over by now.
Instead the US and Europe ( well France,Italy and UK ) decided Libyan oil was the low hanging fruit in this Libyan civil war and wanted in.
The United Nations was used to make tbis meddling by US and Europe appear to be legitimate and humanitarian and “clean” on the politics. Sure. OK.
Well…now the NFZ to protect Libyans from Libyans has morphed into some kind of open ended back door colonialism project with ground troops who are not Libyan surely being contemplated now by US and Europe. What a surprise that is. What can go wrong now? We will likely find out. Surge!
Using NATO as a cover to provide “valid political and military cover” or more accurately as a device of misdirection has not been done with much skill. The deception most evident with this ruse of US “handing over” the Libyan NFZ to NATO. Who runs NATO and provides the big warmaking funding and flying machines to NATO? The USA does.
So Libyan civil war is now a War For Oil with some bald colonialism era outside meddling involved on basis of UN being used to make it look legit.
Barack Obama seems to be as much a warmonger as The Decider ever was and now that Americans are in Libya killing Libyans how that does not create some blowback for the Pentagon’s and CIA beloved WOT seems a big and not too well considered possibility.
Meanwhile Congress and the WH are very worried about American federal deficit and how to cut spending and doing silly deficit cutting politics theatre. Evidently attacking Libya is not a matter of spending paper dollars that are being printed willy nilly by WashingtonDC these days.
What can go wrong? Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan? What? You against humanitarianism? Pentagon and CIA are in Libya because they wanted to be.
Pentagon and CIA are in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan because they want to be. Would like to be in Iran too if ever given the opening moment.
Imagine Barack Obama ordering Pentagon and CIA out of Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan? Well…imagine all you want. Obama will not and Pentagon and CIA will make damn sure he does not. Who runs who?
The moment Obama did that he would be killed by a “terrorist” or a “right wing” “lone-wolf” (who would conveniently die in custody).