The news peg of the Obama fiscal policy speech is that he wanted to begin negotiations in early May on a solution, headed by Vice President Biden and including representatives of Democrats and Republicans in both chambers (did he say that he’d throw them up on C-SPAN?). Harry Reid promptly chose two representatives for Senate Democrats – the Chairs of the Appropriations and Finance Committees, Dan Inouye and Max Baucus. That’s actually less than what Obama called for – he wanted four from each caucus. But Republicans don’t want to negotiate at all, at least not in this format.
The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, told Mr. Obama at the White House on Wednesday that a 17-member group would be too large to be constructive, and he is considering naming just one Senate Republican instead of four, Republicans say. One said that he is considering naming Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, the number-two Republican in the Senate who, like many Republicans, adamantly refuses to consider raising taxes for high-income Americans, as Mr. Obama has proposed.
The Republican speaker of the House, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, indicated to reporters early on Thursday – and privately to other lawmakers – that he might not name anyone to the negotiating group.
Maybe if Obama would only invite Paul Ryan to lunch, we could get this done in between the salad and the main course. The Applebee’s salad, of course.
The Republican argument is that the President wants to replace the deficit commission with another commission, but it’s more of a negotiation strategy than a commission. And Boehner and McConnell seemingly want to control that negotiation, which they can do easier with less members involved in it. Anyway, it looks like it won’t happen. And that’s good news for the suddenly ascendant “do nothing” strategy, which looks better with each passing day.
Alas, Obama did swoop in today to undercut his own message on negotiations, at least with respect to the debt limit:
Failure by Congress to raise the U.S. debt limit “could plunge the world economy back into recession,” President Barack Obama declared Friday, and he acknowledged that he must compromise on spending with Republicans who control the House to avoid such a crisis.
“I think he’s absolutely right that it’s not going to happen without some spending cuts,” the president told The Associated Press in an interview in his hometown, agreeing with House Speaker John Boehner’s assessment.
Obama urged swift action, saying he doesn’t want the United States to get close to a deadline that would destabilize financial markets. He said he was confident Congress ultimately would raise the limit.
In the space of one paragraph, we see everything wrong with this negotiation strategy. On the one hand, Obama says that a failure to increase the debt limit would plunge the country into chaos. This comes as even GOP hopefuls like Haley Barbour are telling their fellow Congressmen that they shouldn’t take a clean vote off the table. But in the next breath, Obama says that some spending cuts would have to be carried along with the vote.
Obama could pretty simply offer nothing and allow Wall Street to force Boehner into submission. This would be a successful strategy, as evidenced by the fact that Boehner, Eric Cantor, and everyone in the GOP insists that the debt limit will be raised. So you can only conclude that spending cuts or structural reforms will be attached to the vote because that’s what the President wants.




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I am still shocked that there are still people who believe that Obama doesn’t want cuts and think that he is bad at negotiations. Nobody can be that dumb.
This is how Obama would by a car,
Republicans: we would like to sell you the car for $1,000,000 but we will give it to you for free because we have to.
Obama: you guys drive a hard bargain, will you take $600,000?
Republicans: We would like $1,000,0000, but we could accept $800,000, but we will still drop it off at your front door for free. Just take the damn car please, before the tea partiers find out.
Obama: Wow, ok my final offer is $850,000, take it or leave it.
Republicans: We will take it, please just take the damn car.
Obamam’s negotiation style is just screaming for cartoon bears.
fewer members. Hate to be a grammar Nazi but come on, this is one of the most common and notorious grammatical errors that shouldn’t appear in your otherwise outstanding work.
Fixie, please?
I heard on the radio last night
Obama fundraiser in Chicago,’
some seats going for $38,000.00.
I guess when you pay that much, you’re expecting more than dinner.
The ROR on that $38,000 will be 800%, or 8000%, I forget which. (Back of envelop carried out during one book salon where author had the figures for some campaign contributions and benefits of an oil corp, or oil ind, or some such example.)
Oh, yes, indeed, please send Kyl!
*not intended to be a factual statement
Your analogy is off.
O: I’ll not pay you $1,000,000. My final offer is 1,500,000.
R: Let me think about it.
O: OK, I’ll make it $2,000,000, and not a penny less.
O will find new and ingenious ways to capitulate and give away the farm to the elites, all while bowing and scraping to the T-GOP and asking frantically: do you like me? do you like me?
To the progressive base, O will snarl: stop being such sanctimonious purist ret*rds and give me more money to “run” for POTUS in order to represent you in the WH.
I’ve seen this movie before…. and I don’t like the ending.
And I promise to wash and wax it every week for you as long as you own it, and I’ll pay for the car wash shampoo and wax and cloths and everything. Please please pretty please take all of the serfs’ money from them!!!
Don’t be shocked….The ship will have to go down before belief will come to ‘em.
In short,we will all have to be destitute before most realize that they have been conned.
OT – I can’t wait to see the matches that come from this.
Movie critics don’t think much of the movie, either.
Priceless links.
Cleaning my desk today and came across a Maya Angelou quote: “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.”
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
I think that ObamaRhama is testing the waters to see if the progressive base of his party will simply cross their fingers and hold their breath or if they will turn his sorry assed administration into cannon fodder. Time to mobilize the troops and tell the bastard that we understand what he’s doin’ and there will be no more healthcare swindles.
This is the game of chicked that I have been talkin about…if he tries to turn the progressive base into the enemy, THEN we call for insurgency inside the party and we keep the threat of third party in the ammo pouch until his actions alienate what’s left of the independants too.
What I am afraid of is losin’ the momentum we have here in Wisconsin and other Northern states and breakin’ loose before we have a mobilized and disciplined mass that has the experience of state recalls and building political coalitions. Right now we need real progressives to call ObamaRhama out before he runs too far into the weeds negotiatin’ with himself.
Obama drew the political battle lines and isolated the fascisti now we make ‘im ACT or we shove his rhetoric where the sun never shines. But there is a lot of political work bein done out here and unless we can get it done before Obama discourages the masses we lose our chance. We can’t always choose our battles and we can’t always win every one but this is a battle that must be fought or we lose our troops without firin’ a shot.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE’S A BATTLE OUTSIDE AND IT’S RAGIN’!!!
p.s. Is that s’posed ta be “ANALS” of negotiation?
I wonder if moran guy is a member of that dating site. Probably not. Spelling is most likely involved.
It’s tempting to believe that Mr. Obama hasn’t a clue about how to negotiate effectively. Glenn Greenwald’s take, which is more thoughtful than mine, is that he’s very good at it. What we don’t ask ourselves is on whose behalf is he negotiating.
If Mr. Obama were negotiating for progressive and liberals, or even traditional centrists (as opposed to those who call the center the halfway point between rightwing Democrats and far rightwing Republicans), then negotiating with himself, giving in ahead of being asked, giving his opponents more than they ask for, would be considered painfully ignorant or ruinously naive.
Mr. Obama does not seem ignorant or naive. He’s a Chicago pol. That would suggest he’s negotiating for some other goals than those of his own party, for some other interests than those of middle Americans who put him in office. The questions are what interests and goals, and why is he hiding them.
That’s an all time fave quote of mine, and very applicable to Obama.
Ahh, yet another front pager about Barack Obama and what the corporate oligarchs are doing. Brilliant.
Count me in Lets make a billion phone calls and send a milliom + to march up to Obama’s big White House, and show him we are “mad as hell” and we’re not going to take it anymore”.
Because he is the ” MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE”
Citizen SouthernDragon:
Now I rely on you to keep me straight and hold me on the road but this shit sends me out into the ether with Jimi Hendrix and the Pearl…JEEzus, this is gettin ta be more like a bad Sartre play or a Kafka nightmare than America in the 21st century. I know that this is just a big joke God is playin on us…tell me that both the movie and the dating site are figments of Donald Trump’s imagination…PLEEZE!!!!
Help me out here Brother Dragonman…I don’t think I ken hold it tagether!
Heh!!!
Citizen fdr14:
A march like the “poor people’s march” this summer would be a great trainin’ operation…the REAL demonstrations then would come from inside and outside the convention hall in Charlotte.
Heh, the dating site has been up since 2003. That we’re just now hearin’ about it should tell ya how popular it is. The fact that nobody has tried to make a flick out of Atlas Shrugged in all these years should tell ya something.
Fun for fools. Not worth a second thought.
And why does he want it? Because the big corporate entities that mooch off the government while paying no taxes want it — and he wants (and needs) their campaign contributions in this post-Citizens United era.
What can we do about it? Well, here’s a start: http://www.publicampaign.org
Great idea.. I’m in. I think it’s critical to focus Obama’s treachery as well as the tea party and repug’s attempt at turning us into a ” Banana Republic”
RIGHT ON! and bless Jimi Hendrix. Hoping to get to hear him play again on the other side.
a solution to a manufactured political problem.
because we don’t actually have any real problems or issues to address.
I agree. I’ve been getting the feeling lately that the front page writers here at FDL like to criticize Obama but they don’t seem to want to go too far right now as the election is approaching. I am hoping they will support some kind of challenge to him as he clearly wants policies at the other end of the spectrum than the folks here. Yet somehow I’m not expecting that – I think that may be a line they are being careful to avoid crossing for some reason.
I used to love that about this place, but now it seems like they are criticizing him for the same thing over, and over, and over and failing to see the larger pattern. It is time for FDL to make a clean break from the dems.
Does it occur to you A) what part of the cycle the elections are in right now plus B) No endorsement of anybody might be a way to maintain a completely independent stance?
A) Yes it does. That’s precisely why I think this is so important.
B) It’s not so important for FDL to endorse any particular candidate. What’s important is that they don’t support politicians who have demonstrated their lack of desire to support policies supported by FDL. This could take the form of supporting any and all primary challengers, supporting an independent movement (not necessarily a particular candidate), etc. The form doesn’t matter so much as doing something aimed at doing what we can to prevent the re-election of a corporate sellout.
Thom Hartman today was gushing over Obama reading a biography of Reagan on his vacation.
Obama has pre-approval for anything he is likely to do. He is so scared of a fight that he has to give in, in advance. It’s just a tactic to avoid making him look like the angry black man. Ever wonder where that idea went, I heard it pretty often on mainstream media back when. It’s still in play. They tried to turn it positive, to the adult in the room. That plays better, but adults don’t give in to children throwing temper tantrums unless they are unskilled, tired, weak.
Obama isn’t going to change. Remember what Zinn said. Obama would be a mediocre and dangerous President. Yet we still want him to win a second term? Wtf is happening to us?
Obama always draws his lines with an Etch A Sketch which he conveniently leaves in the Congressional Republicans cloak room.
Judas Iscariot 2012 – Are You In?
Exactly EoH, and this is how he’s been nogotiating since taking office. And this is smoking gun evidence that the Democrats in Comgress are in on it too, otherwise they would break from him.
That they have CHOSEN and still CHOOSE not to is telling to anyone paying attention.
Yet some still believe the Democratic Party is still on the side of middle America. The mind boggles. It has to be a case of not seeing the evidence because they DON’T WANT to, not because they’re doing a great job of hiding it.
Wake up folks. If we continue to fight againt each other, then the oligarchs win. If we continue to support the Democratic Party, then the oligarchs win just as they are winning now. Our ONLY hope is for all of those of you refusing to see the evidence is to wake up and join us. Because together our power can make a difference.
I am not sure why you are not sure of what obama’s agenda is. I will say it again: when he was elected the motu summoned him and told him that he had a two part charge. obama was to resusitate the repubs from their marginal position similar to the 60′s and to see to it that their goals became relevant again, and he was to destroy the dim party and see to it that their goals were disparaged and discarded. If he carried out the charge, he would have a comfy life after his one term. If he didn’t do as he was told, there were alternatives. The big question to me is why I still see people wondering what he is doing, and some say, after another back stab to progressives, now he has gone too far. What does he have to do to prove that he is a corporatist that is quite happy with continuing to drive the Constitution into irrelevance in our country? Please don’t threaten me with the “awful repubs,” because they have beaten the dims into cowering losers.
god forbid O’Sellout disappoint his true masters.
My reluctance to answer my own question was a literary device, not an indication that I don’t have strong opinions about whose interests Mr. Obama finds worth supporting and those he doesn’t consider worth the bother.
I agree with Mr. Greenwald that Mr. Obama is highly intelligent, disciplined, focused, and an energetic negotiator. He describes Mr. Obama as a centrist, a promoter and defender of the status quo, whatever that might be from moment to moment.
Among the more polite alternative descriptions, I would call that being a chameleon who doesn’t just change color, plaids included, but one that can change shape. There were a few commentators in 2007 and 2008 who spotted his penchant for such behavior; I wasn’t among them.
Right: this is not about naivete or intelligence or negotiating smarts. I think the answer is POWER. Sorry to shout, but, to my mind, Obama has sought nothing less and nothing more than Power, since he’s been in office. Somewhere along the line Obama realized that Power is not granted to the naive, or the intelligent, or those who do the right thing. Power is granted to those who do the right thing by those in Power. Ok, maybe I’m just rambling…I think it has to do with gaining and holding onto Power.
I am there and we should recruit as many as possible!!! Let’s get this show on the road!