The only thing wrong with Paul Krugman’s column today is that he doesn’t mention David Brooks by name. But you can see Brooks in every inch of this critique of whiny Republicans who, when challenged on their nonsense, retreat to the higher moral ground of calling their opponents “uncivil.” Krugman hits on this strategy, which essentially is one of working the refs. It allows Republicans to say basically whatever they want in public, and when called on it, they turn from aggressors to martyrs against the big, bad, mean left. As he said in a blog post earlier this week, this is what people do when they know they’ve been beat.
I especially enjoyed Krugman’s broadside against the Heritage Foundation, which provided the dishonest numbers underneath Paul Ryan’s budget proposal:
When the proposal was released, it was praised as a “wonk-approved” plan that had been run by the experts. But the “experts” in question, it turned out, were at the Heritage Foundation, and few people outside the hard right found their conclusions credible. In the words of the consulting firm Macroeconomic Advisers — which makes its living telling businesses what they need to know, not telling politicians what they want to hear — the Heritage analysis was “both flawed and contrived.” Basically, Heritage went all in on the much-refuted claim that cutting taxes on the wealthy produces miraculous economic results, including a surge in revenue that actually reduces the deficit.
By the way, Heritage is always like this. Whenever there’s something the G.O.P. doesn’t like — say, environmental protection — Heritage can be counted on to produce a report, based on no economic model anyone else recognizes, claiming that this policy would cause huge job losses. Correspondingly, whenever there’s something Republicans want, like tax cuts for the wealthy or for corporations, Heritage can be counted on to claim that this policy would yield immense economic benefits.
Krugman also takes on this notion of bipartisan solutions, which has a particular meaning these days. “Sorry to be cynical, but right now “bipartisan” is usually code for assembling some conservative Democrats and ultraconservative Republicans — all of them with close ties to the wealthy, and many who are wealthy themselves — and having them proclaim that low taxes on high incomes and drastic cuts in social insurance are the only possible solution,” he writes.
Basically, Krugman endorses a full debate on fiscal policy, with legitimate numbers, unencumbered by the conventions of civility and without this fake notion of bipartisanship where the midpoint between two solutions is automatically the wisest course.
In other words, he’s a very unserious person.




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Most unserious of all was the call in late 2008 and early 2009 for a $1.3 trillion stimulus, light on the tax cuts and heavy on supporting states and localities and refurbishing infrastructure. It’s a good thing that more serious minds and civil voices prevailed. Oh, wait…
“…he’s a very unserious person”.
I love this definition and designation, since I am an even more “unserious person” given that I adhere to the Native American/Chicano Constrom from here in the Sonoran Desert. To wit, we of our Indigenous Hemisphere continue to appreciate Abraham Lincoln’s admonition that America’s wealth will eventually accrue to America’s labor.
As such, it’s only a matter of time that the “Marines will be sent into the off-shore banking havens and repatriate this, in today’s terms, the over &104 trillion available.”
And it from this ‘scenario’ that America’s national debt and defict reduction, will become actualized. And much of this gita will be placed into a national trust and where every person will be achieving the American Dream for being entreprenuers, medical doctors, teachers, social workers, and for other professional endeavors. Moreover, every man, woman and child in our Hemisphere will achieve their “The Americas’ Dream” as well. And that is America’s Noblesse Oblige, writ large.
Jaango
This is because the truth favors the left :) Liberals are right, damnit.
Calling criminals criminals, liars liars, and hacks hacks = Uncivil.
Calling seniors and poor people greedy, doves unpatriotic, and gays degenerate = Serious.
Well, you have to be serious to be that bass-ackwards. It takes commitment.
Are Times columnist prohibited or at least discourages from criticizing the fellow columnists by name? Just one of many stupid stuff things about The Times.
In any case, it’s amazing how generous Krugman’s been in praising Obama’s plan, or whatever it is. Obama advocates cuts discretionary spending by 800 billion dollars in the middle of an unemployment crisis, and Krugman says, basically, Nicely Done! Krugman’s never been a Dean Baker or Jamie Galbraith, but you could usually look to him to look beyond the hype and spin and see the bottom line. As Dean Baker points out, W signed a jobs package when there was 4.7 unemployment. As the center shifts every rightward, now with Krugman’s help.
“Are you Paul Krugman? . . . my dad loves your shit.”
This is the same way HCR was decided, but back then Krugman described it as the art of what is politically possible. That’s why I hate Krugman.
Krugman was on the News Hour opposite a Tea Party representative of Ryan’s plan. Krugman tried to say the plan involved vouchers for medicare which was a source of pride when Ryan first announced the plan. The Tea Party person and the moderator from the News Hour would not let Krugman make his point and allowed the lies to go on and on apparently showing “respect” for the Republicans. They deserve no respect. The “civility” covers up privatization that is crime, money-laundering, think tanks writing legislation for the wealthy few. They have had their day growing their stuff in the dark. Time for a big light to clean the air.
LOL!
OT – From NYT.
I liked that part best of all
The Heritage Foundation was created as a propaganda organ, in 1973, in response to the 1971 Lewis Powell (yes THAT Lewis Powell, before he ascended to the US Supreme Court) memo proposing think tanks etc. to make the conservative case.
Why, especially after a long history of critiques like these, is their credibility any greater than O’Keefe’s?
/rhetorical vent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
Nixon was to liberal for these guys??? We have joked about this often here but its still surprising to get confirmation.
Krugman has no problem being incivil when it comes to FDL fighting corporatist HCR:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/11/krugman-shoots-the-messenger-blames-wheeler-fdl-for-%e2%80%9cfueling-a-fake-scandal%e2%80%9d-over-gruber/
He’s got no problem touting Heritage Foundation Romneycare and going after FDL for pointing out the highly relevant dealings of Jonathan Gruber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
So Bobo gets his facts from guys who dream up South American Death squads, Nun killing torture and war crimes?
It’s not so much that liberals are right, but that serious thinkers tend to be liberal. Most Scientists Politically Liberal (Reality Must Have a Liberal Bias)
I think that the Medicare voucher idea is a perfect one to wrap around their necks like a millstone. This weekend’s Bill Maher panel discussed it at length. Ed Schultz’s point is simple, “What happens when you give an elderly person a $15,000 voucher for healthcare and they use it all up? And oh by the way, a person in an extended-care facility could spend that in three months. What happens then?” Right on cue former RNC chairman Steele plays the “uncivil” card. They don’t have an answer for this one because there is none. Maher raised tthe point that the idea that seniors are going to even get someone to sell them affordable health insurance is laughable, definitely unserious.
This voucher point is a solid one for our side, and one that we need to keep hammering home. Especially to our friends and family who are “informed” by television news.
Except that every economist worthy of the name was saying that we needed to let the Bush tax cuts expire and put in at least $2 trillion worth of actual stimulus (or a second stimulus on top of Obama’s woefully inadequate first one) instead of bailing out the banks. But nice try, Mr. Rockwell.
But Heritage (and AEI and Cato and…) are forever on NPR as the official officials of know-it-all village-think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
Blood diamonds and more war crimes Bobo sure chooses a funny set of reference material.
Indeed. It’s difficult to maintain a sense of rightousness even when you’ve been proven wrong. Repeatedly.
Raw Story has video of Andrew Breitbart calling “liberals” uncivil and then telling liberals to “go to hell.” ROFL!! Politics is a comedy show these days! This is the best political video I’ve seen in years….
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/04/palin-breitbart-booed-at-tea-party-event/
I think one actually has to apply their solutions to a problem before they can be proved right; due to the President’s proclivity toward splitting everything down the middle in a spirit of bipartisanship, I don’t think liberal policies have yet truly been applied to any of societies ills yet. However, we do know that conservative policies were applied for the full term of the Bush 43 admin, in terms of lower tax rates, and that did not produce the jobs as billed. Still, we have to find a principal willing to put liberal policies to work their magic before we can claim rightness, I think.
Read the FDL book club to be fair I was in civil to him first I asked him what the cost of the Ivy league letting legacy admissions pass and get degrees with Gentlemen’s C’s like Bush did had on our economy.
Of course he was speechless:)
Which is why his column today is a pleasant surprise.
Consider this: If the Sulzbergers knew that Krugman was going to be writing the sort of pieces he’s been writing, he never would have been hired in the first place. (Hell, Molly Ivins knew long before her death that she could never have worked at the NYT at any time in the last quarter-century. Yet asswipes like John Tierney and William Kristol have their feet bathed in virtual rose oil by Times management.)
I rented the recent documentary, ‘Inside Job’ from my Netflix account and watched it this past weekend. It fleshed out most of what I already suspected or knew, but I was at once enraged and nauseated by the revelations.
Men like Krugman will never be part of the inner circle of any president’s advisers or counselors because he appears to be a man of integrity and a truth-teller. Something that no president seems interested in employing or listening to.
The breadth and depth of corruption and duplicity in finance and politics is staggering and sickening. At least with the Mafia and la Cosa Nostra, you know what you’re getting because they don’t really pretend to be anything other than what they are. Politics and finance is a completely different animal.
When it comes to the Democrats and Republicans, I’m reminded of the words of George Wallace during his run for president when he said, referring to the Democratic and Republican candidates, “There ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between ‘em.” When it comes to being a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street, Congress and the White House, regardless of which party controls them, are virtually identical. Pick your poison. It will matter little in the end.
What it remarkable about the documentary and what struck me during Obama’s campaign and his election is that there was a fleeting moment when basic, fundamental, far-reaching, and true reform could have been achieved in many areas, especially in Wall Street and banking. Unfortunately for the middle class, the Goldman Sachs/Wall Street pipeline was flowing wide open from Day One of the administration. Anyone from Volker to Warren who had any inclination to push for serious change was compartmentalized, marginalized, and virtually ostracized. The Geithners, Summers, Clintonites, Rubinites, and their ilk were welcomed with open arms and given free rein.
The very people who were responsible for the national Butt-Fucking in front of the whole world that nearly crashed the entire system were given the First Seat at the President’s table and allowed unfettered control of the economy and financial system.
So, we are where we are and it’s not a whole lot different than it was before Obama took office. Oh, there’s a little window-dressing around the edges, but nothing of real consequence. And now we get to look forward in the next years or so to the complete dismantling of Medicare and Social Security. Don’t think so? Do you seriously think one speech last week will mean anything behind closed doors? As Dr. Phil would say, “Based on past experience, what would lead you to believe otherwise?” Remember so-called health care reform? You can be as optimistic and delusional as you wish. I’ve seen nothing in Obama’s nature or methods and the results of the same that gives me reason to think otherwise.
When we are being uncivil thats GOP code for our plans are working:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
Groups that support and produce policy papers either planning or excusing war crimes get tax free status?
OF COURSE Nixon was too liberal for these guys. He implemented price controls, for crying out loud. How is it that this can remain a source of surprise? Sometimes I have to wonder whether the FDL crew has any idea whatsoever what fiscal conservatives believe.
Nixon was hated for being a liar who abused the power of his office. He struck a lot of people as a dangerous fascist. He was socially conservative in the sense of reflexively hating anything that smacked of the “counterculture.” He was identified with an unpopular war. He was also a Republican. That doesn’t mean that everything he did comported with what are usually described as conservative principles, especially fiscal ones.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: An Inconvenient Truth for Teabaggers: America’s Taxes Hit Historic Lows
I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying, but I’d also submit that FDR’s policies were incredibly liberal and bore fruit. There is historical framing for the argument.
Inside Job is the hottest ticket in town these days. Corporate media is avoiding it like the plague.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
My bold Anti Semite for a price? In what world does it make sense to back Anti Semites after 9/11? Its not like we needed Malaysia’s army. Its not like Ossama’s Arabs had then or now made much contact though I’m sure he inspired local groups.
Its not like I would trust an Anti Semite at all about anything for any reason.
I would like to see what quid was the pro quo America ever got from Malaysia. The Heritage Foundation apparently got some Quid to sell out America.
That makes them traitors and its war time firing squad and they get tried under terrorist laws!
Naw, you still don’t get it:
Calling Dems virtually anything is just patriotism; any criticism of Republicans is not only uncivil, but possibly treasonous.
Calling out liars is completely beyond the pale; must have “balance,” you know.
I think Krugman’s pretty much honest and able to tell it like it is but every 6 months or so the editors and publishers of the NY Times have a sitdown and tell him to tow the company line… unfortunate, but if he stops the self -censorship they may take him off the op-ed pages forever, and that would be truly disastrous for the national discourse.
To go Right of Nixon because you think he was too liberal is a statement that carries weight because Nixon has a Reputation for being conservative.
still, Tex99 is right about this, (and he was right about price controls): Nixon would not be batshit crazy enough for today’s repubs, i doubt Reagan would either.
There’s that word believe. They “believe” because what they say can’t be proven, it has to be taken on faith, eg, we have to believe that lowering taxes on the rich will increase tax revenue.
Horseshit.
texan99 @ 30 put it very well.
Noam Chomsky says Nixon was our last liberal president.
“Which is why his column today is a pleasant surprise”
Has he disowned his support for Heritage Foundation Obamacare? If not, then it just looks like he’s opposing it because Ryan is a Republican, but would be out attacking those like FDL if this was a Democratic proposal.
Great read, thanks David.
The Heritage Foundation is not a “Think Tank” it’s a “Belief Tank.” Twisting logic and research into pretzels to fit their preconceived ideological notions. That anyone in the MSM takes these A holes seriously speaks more about the MSM than the A holes themselves.
Isn’t the point really that people are rarely all one thing or the other along a spectrum that we call “conservative” and “liberal”? For one thing, most people are not very consistent, especially pragmatic politicians like Nixon who wanted to be re-elected. For another, there are fiscal conservatives and social conservatives, who often differ sharply in their views. So we shouldn’t be too surprised that someone generally considered a “conservative,” if only because he was identified with the Republican party, would endorse economic policies that even at the time (let alone today) were not considered “conservative.” Nixon was kind of a crazy man. His beliefs were hard to figure out.
Lest we forget (to include the fact in our responses), isn’t Heritage the recipient of a lot of Koch Bros. cash?
That says a lot about where these Ryan numbers came from, and what is truly behind them: more class warfare.
Thundering silence from Nobel Laureates at the Universities of Chicago and Arizona (previously Minnesota)
The Times hired Krugman for his economics, just after the SE Asia and Hedge Fund meltdowns. They needed someone who could write well and explain the stuff to the unwashed. A real conservative, Peter Passell, who did that stuff for them on the final pages had dropped out, for reasons I can’t remember. Paul was their economic expert. From the Times perspective he went over to the Dark Side in the election of 2000, when he fingered Cato and Heritage as the ideologues they are. At the time, those of us who follow politics were wondering where Bush was going to get is economic bench. It turned out he didn’t have any. He simply recruited ideologues, and that includes Greg Mankiw, who seemed pretty ordinary at the time.
Things went from bad to worse as the Bush administration systematically violated all the known laws (such as they are) of macroeconomics. To an economist, this is like denying Newton’s Laws of Motion. It is simply insane, and it took a while for Krugman to realize that it was on purpose. Since then the insanity has grown and infected a big part of the so-called centre, and has completely taken over the village. It is hard to have a sensible conversation about economics with anyone today who is not on the outside of the conventional wisdom.
Those of us who spent our working lives teaching economics in the hopes it would make for better policies are more than flabbergasted, we are angry. So Paul is shrill, like Brad De Long and Joe Stiglitz and Simon Johnston. Paul is one of the very few gifted economists of this generation. There are never more than a half dozen at any one time. Like Keynes in his day, he has recognition but no influence. It’s galling. What people on this board ought to keep in mind is that when he responds, he is thinking as a professional economist, not a politician. You may not like what he says all the time, but he can defend every point he makes, which is not to say you have to accept the defense.
I never beat up on Republicans around here. There is more than enough of that already. But I gotta say Krugman is right. If somebody is actually being civil to Republicans I have to wonder why. Republicans are beneath contempt. They are subhuman. When God made Republicans He gave up on everything else. (I think Kinky Friedman said it)