The first Predator drone strike has hit Libya, the US military confirmed today. It’s not clear where it struck, but explosions were heard outside Tripoli, in addition to in the area around the besieged city of Misurata. Some missiles fired by NATO apparently hit an underground bunker near the Gadhafi compound in Tripoli, which looks to have been used for military storage.
Meanwhile, the Libyan deputy foreign minister has intimated that Gadhafi’s army would leave Misurata because of airstrikes, and allow tribes loyal to Gadhafi to fight on their behalf. According to Khaled Kaim, the tribes would talk to the rebels in Misurata first, and if that failed they would fight them, with little compunction to prevent civilian casualties, in his words (Gadhafi’s snipers have already been shooting at civilians in the city). The rebels have been encouraged by the retreat of Gadhafi forces in Misurata, particularly from buildings along Tripoli Street. There is still fierce fighting going on in Misurata, however, and the opposition views this claim of withdrawal as misinformation. In fact, the rebels claim that local tribes are fighting against Gadhafi, not with him.
Tribes in the Western mountains are definitely opposed to Gadhafi, and have firm control of that region, having defeated government forces in a rout last month. But it’s unclear whether these groups in the Western mountains have any loyalty to the opposition out of Benghazi, and what will become of the two sides in a post-Gadhafi environment. The potential for tribal warfare is certainly there.
While the use of Predator drones has concerned Gadhafi, according to sources, that doesn’t make it a good idea. In fact, drones have become a terrible symbol in the Arab world of imperial oppression; witness Pakistan, where the US has apparently abandoned a drone base after continued pressure by the government to end the attacks. The impact, not just in Libya but elsewhere, could be quite unfavorable.
My quick reaction, as a journalist who has chronicled the growing use of drones, is that this extension to the Libyan theater is a mistake. It brings a weapon that has become for many Muslims a symbol of the arrogance of U.S. power into a theater next door to the Egyptian and Tunisian revolutions, the most promising events in a generation. It projects American power in the most negative possible way.
I wrote late last year that the problem with the Predators is that they provide too easy an answer to political and military problems. They Saudis asked for them last year to go after Yemenis they didn’t like; the Turks use them (looking over our shoulders) to target Kurdish extremists in Iraqi Kurdistan. And now the United States will use them to beef up a stalemated NATO campaign in Libya, on behalf of a rebel army that very well may include Islamic radicals who, under other circumstances, might themselves have been targets of Predator attack.
I will not co-sign to Ignatius’ depiction of the rebels as Islamic radicals; we have no real idea about that, which is part of the problem. But blowback has been a feature of our interventions, to be sure.




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Magnificent ‘Merican Murder Machine marches on ….in other news we don’t give a shit who we’re killing, as long as we’re KILLING !!!
Happy easter and passover to all.
USA…. #1 …. USA …. # 1 ….over and over
Liked the prominence of blowback & emphasis on
in your post, dday.
Great. We’re pulling more money out of nowhere for another goddamn son of a bitchin bloody horrible corporate-profit-making war, BUT MY LIMP ASS PRES WON’T FIGHT FOR HEALTHCARE, SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. FUCK FUCK FUCK, I just want to kill and smash things. And the sheeple continue to take it up the ass and change the subject anytime you mention how awful everything is. Oh well, think positive! We’re gonna see a royal wedding soon! Oh boy!
Good interview on prevalence of drones & implications.
Makes you an American.
Didn’t Marcy or someone here give a dollar amount for each drone attack? I thought it was in the millions to drop just one.
What is it with our military commanders that they feel they can do this, and without an offer to discuss issues?
How do they know that the biggest part of these people are radicals? And, so what if they are?
Sooo: SkyNet did become self-aware, only four days late?
Well Gadhafi should be relieved Predator drones have not done squat to Ossama if America sends in drones it means they are not trying to kill you.
Civilians are an other matter entirely it seems the drones were intended to kill civilians.
I don’t look at what people say I just look at the results of their actions and make judgments and so far drones only seem to be be able to hit civilians and maybe some low level terrorists.
If drones were doing a good job Ossama and all Al Quiedia’s leadership would be dead by now they would not be able to organize attacks on Americans in Afghanistan.
But of course we know that every year the Taliban gets stronger.
drones have become a terrible symbol in the Arab world of imperial oppression
More like drones are a symbol of American stupidity we spend millions and take years to not do the job we claim we are doing.
America likes to do things cheap, half ass, and take their time milking the military contracts for all their worth. As long as only a few troops die nobody cares. As long as the middle class has a few jobs nobody cares.
I think when the economy went bad people started to care about the war because they new that money could be used to create jobs.
To eradicate leaders of countries today; we, the U.S. government just has to label there leaders as dictators, whether they are or not, to justify their killing of the countries regime and soldiers, never mind the fact that many innocent civiians will be murdered as well. We oppose these leaders for the main reason that they are not willing to go along with our demands for oil, or some other material wealth that the country has in their possession. Our government administrations for the most part, are at the control of our multi national corporations and they direct/drive where to go to war and who needs to be eliminated with respect to leadership in the particular country.
In DD’s context (and the Ignatius passages) there appears to be a conflation of ‘Arab’ and ‘Muslim’, that we should find disturbing. Well, I do.
Good point. Most of U.S. drones strikes are not in the Arab world, but in Pak. It’s a brain fart on my part (mind more into bees & Bernanke today), & prolly is for dday too.
Given that Gaddafi has attacked populations in cities without regard to tribal affiliations, it will be interesting to see which tribes still support him once they are not compelled to. The “withdrawing the army, leaving it to the tribes” statement might also foreshadow the re-uniforming government troops in civilian clothes.
The success of drone attacks depend very much on intelligence about the target’s appearance and location. Guys and gals in Nevada who have never been to Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Libya cannot be relied on to interpret the camera pictures without confirming information from the ground. Unlike in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the rebels have every incentive to deliver reliable information if they have it. Knowing where civilians might be hiding in the midst of urban battles will be the big problem. Having certain knowledge that particular areas of cities have been abandoned completely by civilians will make targeting military assets more reliable.
Suggested title for next post on drones
Send in the
dronesClownsAmerica wants to look like they are doing something but they really don’t want to do anything.
A decade or so of real world evidence in Afghanistan suggests drones don’t do anything except kill civilians and turn them against us.
Cost per Hellfire missile (what the drone fires) is $58,000 each. Drone has two; cost per mission is $116,000. At 100% success rate, the cost to destroy all of the tanks that Gaddafi had in his arsenal (1500 of them) would be $87 milllion, assuming no drones themselves are lost. Plus the costs of actually maintaining and operating the drones.
What they are lousy at is eliminating command-and-control meeting of terrorists. They are very good at taking out tanks and self-propelled artillery.
The Yemeni President will be gone before Qaddafi, and that’s without the West raining bombs on him.
Funny how that works.
And I can’t forget to add; violence is taboo! (except when it’s the strong against the weak!)
On the upside, the use of drones over American cities and airspace will spark a renaissance for the UFO crowd. Too bad about all those dead civilians though. Mistakes happen.
Book Salon up with Nadia Idle and Alex Nunns’s Tweets From Tahrir: Egypt’s Revolution As It Unfolded, In the Words of the People Who Made It hosted by Siun
The Yemeni President will be gone before Gaddafi because (1) he never tried this time (as opposed to previous times) to use the hard suppression techniques that Gaddafi used; (2) the media were able to gauge the support he still retained, while Gaddafi had total control over the media outside Benghazi-held areas; (3) the Gulf Cooperation Council (the same folks who interfered in Bahrain) made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. The UN never convened a Security Council meeting to discuss a resolution on Yemen. And Saleh did not put the country under full military occupation with tanks shelling Aden.
Gaddafi knows no restraint. That’s why NATO bombs are falling–and to be clear–on his tanks, convoys, air defense facilities, and command-and-control facilities. In Libya, Gaddafi is “the strong” and the Libyan people are “the weak”. Violence on the scale of full warfare used on his own people was what was taboo. The UN decided that someone from outside who is stronger was required to deal with Gaddafi.
And by-the-by, there are beginning to be defections from Bashir al-Assad’s regime in Syria as a result on security forces attacking funerals today.
Stephen Walt had this piece up about the Paradox of Intervention. Some of it wryly and bitterly humorous in a way.
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/20/the_intervention_paradox
There were 35 Syracuse students on Pan Am 103. Thirty five !
I do not give two shits who started what, you do not mass murder innocent children. Gaddafi has been living on borrowed time for twenty years, it is time he gets his due. I hope they can get one up his ass.
If Obama says war is peace it must be true.
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