This is really ugly:
Rumors swirled that the federal judge who had struck down California’s same-sex marriage ban last summer was gay, but the lawyers charged with defending the measure remained silent on the subject. Their preferred strategy for getting the ruling overturned on appeal was to focus on the law, not a judge’s personal life, they said.
Eight months later, Proposition 8′s proponents and their attorneys have taken a new position. They filed a motion Monday seeking to vacate Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker’s historic ruling, a move they said was prompted by the now-retired jurist’s recent disclosure that he is in a long-term relationship with another man.
Lawyers for the ban’s backers argue that the judge’s relationship status, not his sexual orientation, gave him too much in common with the couples who successfully sued to overturn the ban in his court. The judge should have recused himself or at least revealed the relationship to avoid a real or perceived conflict of interest, the lawyers say.
“If at any time while this case was pending before him, Chief Judge Walker and his partner determined that they desired, or might desire, to marry, Chief Judge Walker plainly had an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding,” wrote attorneys for the coalition of religious and conservative groups that put Proposition 8 on the November 2008 ballot.
Now I was one of a handful of people to actually sit in the courtroom for that trial, and I think if you asked anyone who was there the opinion would be unanimous: Vaughn Walker was a completely impartial jurist throughout that trial, making his rulings based on the evidence at hand. The truth is that the Defendant-Intervenors came with a shitty case. Their expert witnesses mostly dropped out, and the ones who remained lost all their credibility upon cross-examination. David Boies and Ted Olson out-argued them in court, not least because they had the plain facts on their side. And Walker ruled accordingly.
The fact that the Defendant-Intervenors never brought this up, not only at the trial stage, but for months after the ruling, gives the game away here.
What’s more, the slippery slope for this kind of argument is clear. If Walker would have to recuse because he is gay and in a relationship, would a judge in a heterosexual marriage also have to recuse? Would he not have to recuse if he merely cruised from club to club every night and didn’t have a long-term partner? Could only a confirmed bachelor or bachelorette who vowed never to marry, and thus not have their marriage threatened by a same-sex couple, have the distance necessary to judge? Can a woman not fairly judge a gender discrimination case? Can any judge over the age of 65 not fairly rule in an age discrimination case?
This ugly tactic plays to the basest instincts of the human condition, positing LGBT judges as somehow not as committed to fairness in a court of law as their heterosexual counterparts. The American Foundation for Equal Rights had the exact right response. “This motion is another in a string of desperate and absurd motions by the proponents of Proposition 8, who refuse to accept that the freedom to marry is a constitutional right.”



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Not surprising, since the homophobes have got nothing else. If the law were really impartial, this gambit wouldn’t have traction. The problem [to paraphrase WW1 UK Foreign Minister Grey] is that while nations (and their courts) can be officially neutral, no man can be. And, the Bushies have stocking the courts with ideologues that claim stare decisis in confirmation hearings and practice wingnut activism on the bench [CJ Roberts, ahem]. So it is possible that while the argument was never raised in trial or appeals part 1, that “oversight” was more tactical because neither Walker or the 9th circuit would be very receptive to the idea. Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts would be receptive to this claim and they only need one more [Kennedy, in my view] to win the war. You only need four for the Supremes to consider this.
This also may explain why Olson and Boies worked harder on standing issues than on the case’s facts in appeal hearings, since without standing there is no cert to the Supremes.
We all know that if this wasn’t Prop 8, perhaps a criminal trial like Miranda, the D-I crew would have been slashed to bits based on the case they presented in court, which is the ONLY trial record supposed to be used for appeals. The 4-con Supremes made a point of this in rejecting relief for prisoner appeals. Essentially, use it or lose it. Being ideologues, however, means that facts aren’t the same when politics are involved, and the 4-cons will shamelessly bring the case in, in order to whip up the base just in time for 2012. Funny how it times out…..
We are seeing the pushing to the extremes as far as they can get away with it. I guess the next move will be that we can’t have a black judge if the defendant is black, etc. These people are creeps.
So, are they going to demand that no hetero judge be allowed to hear divorce cases because they too may someday file for divorce? Of course not! This is just another way of saying that anybody who is gay can’t have good or even impartial judgment. Anybody who continues to give this group cover as being anything but homophobic bigots are complicit in that bigotry.
Thanks David.
This tactic itself just shows the baseline of the PropH8′ers thinking:
That’s it.
Another quote from the filing:
(emphasis mine)
Which, I gotta say, seems to fly in the face of their original argument that same sex relationships cannot be, by nature, committed or stable. Are all of teh gays promiscuous and frequently partner changing?
Spot on. Incapable of unbiased, impartial or sound judgment. That’s their whole argument.
The fact that Judge Walker was gay, in a committed, long-term relationship, was known during the trial. I read it in the LA Times, as well as online. Nothing was done, no argument was made during the trial that Walker should be recused from trying the case.
Bringing this up now is clearly a last-ditch effort. They got nothin’ else.
I could easily question any straight judge’s ability to be impartial on the same grounds. These people are pure scum, no question about it.
Clearly their hatred knows no bounds. Their whole position is unsupportable and doomed yet they continue to throw large amounts of money at it. It makes me wonder about their donors. I mean, what kind of person gives money to an organization whose sole purpose is a quixotic quest to deny a whole segment of the population equal rights under the law? (Rhetorical question of course)
They’re just now figuring this out?
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-02-07/bay-area/17848482_1_same-sex-marriage-sexual-orientation-judge-walker
I’m looking at the whole motion here, and you know what?
They are arguing that not only did Judge Walker have a waivable conflict, but a nonwaivable one as well:
[emphasis added]
Evil ones.
These people are all Eric Cartman. Going around pretending to make the world a better place when what they are really doing is making the world a better place for them. Just like almost every other conservative when they baselessly lament being “forced” to be tolerant and so forth while they actually are forcing their own opinions of what society should be upon us, completely without irony. Anti bullying laws to them = “fascism” while outlawing same sex relationships = “moral values”. Piss.
Everything DDay wrote, and if the fact that the judge might gain rights from a ruling he is involved in is prima facie evidence that this judge as an individual American citizen is not considered being equal to other individual American citizens.
Case closed. Let’s all go home now!
Sounds kinda like they are throwing everything against the wall to see if any of it sticks, eh?
Are you sure that the PropH8′ers and their attorneys even consider non-straight folks are people? With such legal arguments shamelessly presented by officers of the court, I am beginning to wonder. Shades of Paul Clement (hat tip Teddy)!
Yep.
More fakeitude, twofacery and bullshit in this motion:
[emph. added]
Blergh.
http://www.newser.com/story/80369/judge-hearing-prop-8-case-is-gay.html
There were various stories in the news about Judge Walker being gay & living for many years in a committed rel. This is NOT “news.” Walker, being of a certain age, was reticent about his pers. life and was not openly gay. But by the time of the trial, it had been reported on in various places, at least in CA.
So this is eminently boooooogus, but sadly unsurpising for this H8te-filled H8teful group. The whole Prop 8 situation has stunk from the beginning & from top to bottom. It’s just about denying a segment of our populace their civil rights in the name of kowtowing to religious extremists mostly from the Latter Day Saints Church in Utah.
May they rot. Judge Walker should NOT be recused under any circumstances, but since the PTB have made a mockery of the Rule of Law, who the heck knows what will fly these days. Got my fingers crossed that the H8ters will never prevail.
Thanks for the update.
They sure are making some enormous assumptions. Has Walker ever said he wanted to get married? They’re putting Walker on trial. That trial was about whether the Proposition 8 people had standing, not whether Walker should be issued a marriage license.
I would say that’s correct. To be completely fair, this kind of legal tactic is not uncommon, esp in bigger cases such as this one. While it’s obnoxious & H8teful in the extreme, it is pretty typical of how the legal system operates.
Well of course the H8ters are gonna put Walker “on trial.” It’s how it’s done… not great, not totally acceptable to you ‘n me, but it’s how the legal system goes about it’s business. Dog eat dog ‘n all. Not that I like it or agree. Just saying…
Right.
Trying to impeach the trier of fact doesn’t do anything for the actual facts and that the H8ers failed to demonstrate harm to anybody else’s marriage.
Seems like hate and stupid go together with that crowd.
I get the impression that the haters don’t want gay people to live a gay “lifestyle” – whatever that is. Does it mean they have to be truck drivers as opposed to decorators? The Haters just want everyone to stay in the closet and not mess up their Leave It To Beaver happiness. They believe that God created everything – just not gays. And God is pretty pissed about that – She told me so.
My fundie family is pretty anti-gay but has to confront it both by knowing people from childhood – who they liked & cared about – who grew up to be gay, as well as an adult family member who gay, living in a rel with a long-time partner & has a child (child conceived prior to the gay rel).
They are awfully good about contorting themselves about the whole issue. My mom (RIP) once told me that she did *agree* that gays were born that way and that’s the way it turned out for them (as opposed to some who think that gays just “choose” to be gay in order to… ??? be “sinful” just for the heck of it?? who knows?). However, while mom felt that gays should be “out” and not be discriminated against in any way, mom also had an adamant belief that gays should never ever under any circumstances have sex. Nor should they live in a gay rel. They should just stay single, be celibate & live alone.
I told mom that was “nice” of her considering that she was “lucky” enough to be born hetero, was in a good marriage, etc, so SHE didn’t have live alone, fend for herself, and be celibate. Thanks a lot, mom.
Mom sorta didn’t like me much for saying that, but that was my mom’s default position for how she felt about me anyway… too challenging (and too logical) by half.
Just an insight on how some think. My mom probably would’ve agreed with Prop8 but more or less reflexively bc her minister (one of Doug Coe’s minions) would’ve said that’s what she should “think.”
What!? The motion didn’t include
10 pounds sh.. v. 5 pound bag.
How sloppy.
I suspect these shenanigans have little to do with Prop 8.
That and the attempt to defend DOMA are meant to keep the religious right interested in politics until 2012.
All to keep froth in the right wing spittle.
Ah, this is round one of the GOP’s pre election shiney objects.
As always, we’ll have to suffer through weeks of bullshit.
The Dems won’t defend anyone or anything while the
Thugs rant and rage till they get their way.
In the end, zero jobs created. More time wasted.
Mission accomplished.
If HCR goes to SCOTUS, Clarence must recuse himself.
His wife and partner lobbys for the health insurance industry.
Clarence stands to gain financially if SCOTUS decides
in favor of the health insurance industry.
He won’t recuse, and nobody will give a shit.
This is really their last gasp. They must not care how this looks to fair-minded Americans. They are desperate to codify their bigotry in law before demographics make their hate even more marginal.
Soon, if not now, this kind of legal maneuvering will be laughed at. Yet these h8ers must not care.
I hope everyone has actually read the ruling — which is magnificent. The ‘phobes are going to have a hard time proving that Walker’s gayness affected his ruling.
They knew he was gay goijg in and said nothing. Now they’ve got “buyer’s remourse.”
As noted above (#5, #13 are especially apt) this revelation in the filing was not news during the trial. Even now, the attempt to fling poop hurts their case as noted by Margaret @5, since the promiscuity alleged means no long-term stable relationship is possible. So, the timing has another purpose, since the GOP doesn’t do this kind of thing without a plan.
As noted above as well, this kind of recusal demand opens a large can of worms for other recusals. BTW no way Clarence recuses himself, like any other GOP disciple, IOKIYAR, and we see that from Scalia too.
I still think this is timed to get SCOTUS to look at it, with the 4-con pack [Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas] voting to review. Also worth examining is what is the “shiny object” hiding behind the scenes? What else is going on that deserves airtime but will not get it because of the faux outrage generated by this filing? This is SOP for the GOP to dangle things out to attract attention away. This is important, but I doubt it is alone in wankery.
Can they bring up an issue on appeal that they did not raise at the trial stage and of which they were aware at that point?
I think your statement is rhetorical, but just to be clear: no these people don’t care how they look bc to *their* like-minded friends & family members, sadly this *appears* “heroic.” Honey, I did everything I could to be bigoted & stop someone from getting their just civil rights. The H8ters certainly don’t give a sh*t how they “look” to the rest of the world, either; that’s clear.
Here’s Lyle Denniston at ScotusBlog on this:
http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/04/prop-8-plea-to-throw-out-ruling/
After the hyperventilating regarding the 9th Circuit is complete, what might happen (or not) at SCOTUS?
It seems to me that’s where it will end up, no? That’ll take awhile.
He should have recused himself due to conflict of interest. I’m all for gay marriage, but there is clear conflict of interest. Judges are suppose to recuse themselves even if there is an possible appearance of conflict of interest.
Of course, marriage interests no judge, so no judge could have possibly decided this case.
Yes, how proud the straight judge would have been to proclaim himself or herself above any conflict with regard to marriage… because being teh Gay is all about being biased.
Only those already entitled to the institution are unbiased about that institution. You realize what you are saying, right?