I don’t want to belabor the whole birther circus, or legitimize it, or whatever. In fact, I almost abandoned this post twice. But we’re well beyond that point after today’s events, so indulge me. And I do think the spectacle of an American President having to debase himself to confront conspiracy theorists registers as a low moment in American politics and a signal of US decline. Not just because of what it says about the media, and the hash they’ve made of the public square over the years. The press is nuts, and they’re not even the press – if by that term you mean the organizations who disseminate important information to ensure a well-informed citizenry.
But more important, I think that this marks the end of anyone calling this a post-racial society. Because this entire issue revolves around race, about the alien aspect of a black man in the White House. The comments telling Obama to get off the basketball court is part and parcel of the same thing. Basically, you have a subset of this country who will never see a black man as an American. I think Baratunde Thurston’s words are extremely poignant.
And furthermore, there was this expectation from everyone involved in this – including the President himself – that the release of the birth certificate will change pretty much no minds. We don’t have a society that values facts anymore, if we ever did. We don’t have any critical thinking beyond the tribal logic that persists. And that matters well beyond this fever swamp issue of a birth certificate. If you can challenge the place of the President’s birth in the face of all the evidence, then you certainly can challenge the evidence that tax cuts don’t pay for themselves, or that austerity creates needless human suffering and doesn’t even cut the budget deficit. Facts have no place in this polarized society. And that has driven American decline over the past several years.
You can add in the lack of trust in institutions – political leaders, media figures, virtually anything and everything – which is a universal and not a partisan trait in modern American life. It’s no wonder people conjure up their own stories rather than believe facts anymore.
People want to disparage this whole thing as not a “real” issue – present company included. But what it says about America circa 2011 is very real.



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You can add in the lack of trust in institutions – political leaders, media figures, virtually anything and everything – which is a universal and not a partisan trait in modern American life.
I’ll let someone else comment on political figures, but the media figures brought that lack of trust on themselves.
Count me among those who think that Obama should have put it all out there during the campaign. Risk management people tell you to be as open as you can and get as much information out as you can, as quickly as you can.
That said, I had been giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he’s just trying to burnish his Teaparty cred with the birther stuff, but when he started questioning Obama’s academic qualifications he proved that he is indeed a racist. Very disappointing.
What’s the diagnosis for someone who disses his supporters as “sanctimonious purists”
but cravenly caves to his enemies? Stockholm syndrome with a side order of narcissism?
“Count me among those who think that Obama should have put it all out there during the campaign.”; me as well. Simply don’t understand the game Obama was playing with this; allowed a whole lot of nonsense to occur when it could have been ‘nipped in the bud’. BUT, such IS consistent with the Dem Party allowing the Repubs to ‘frame the arguments’ and gain traction when they should have been shoved ‘under the bus’.
David Dayen
X2
And my thanks, from here in the Sonoran Desert.
Jaango
Yeah. The birthers are white racists. But the president debased himself long before today. Our first black president sold himself to rich white men. He pretended to be a man of the people knowing that he had already sold us out. Barack Obama and Clarence Thomas bear no resemblance to Dr. King and Malcome X.
Fox news radio attacked Trump today saying that Trump has been for Single Payer Health Care.I knew Trump was defending Social Security and Medicare.
Good post, with heat and vehemence. I especially like paragraph 3: “And furthermore,…”
Politics has become nothing more than “ugly hollywood” and the media covers it as such with TMZ and Access Hollywood style banality.
So. We’ve got the effing “long form” birth certificate. Now the hue and cry is for college transcripts. There’s really only one issue here, folks — There’s a black man in the White House.
Trump is the GoTo Guy. Hope he demands full disclosure about crop circles and cow mutilations.
agreed.
If his mother was an American, then, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he’d be entitled to American citizenship. Is this incorrect? If his mother was indeed a U.S. citizen, what does it matter where he was born–and why does this continue to be an issue?
But this is true also:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/
I’ve seen from time to time people on this blog say they would vote for Trump out of frustration with Obama. Trust me, I share your frustration and anger at him and the rest of the neoliberal Vichycrats. But I’d like to go on record right now as holding the belief that birtherism is racism and there is no way that I will ever vote for a racist, no matter how much Obama pisses me off. Trump or any other racist is not a viable alternative. I don’t know what the answer is but voting for bigoted assholes is not it.
Because it isn’t about where he was born and it never has been. It’s about the color of his skin.
“Count me among those who think that Obama should have put it all out there during the campaign.”
Sorry ,I don’t agree.Why should he cuz some nuts were demanding he produce his birth certificate.This is just as offensive as the Arizona legislation that demand that brown folks produce citizenship certification when asked by the Police.
It’s almost like bullying….almost anyone can demand you do something or else…..
X20 Peg I sure don’t agree with any of that crap. You judge a person by their heart not by anything else. Best lesson I ever learned thankfully when I was still young.
My comment @ 17 is in responce to bmull @ 2.
David, glad you saw the post through. Yours and Baratunde’s words were easily the best I’ve encountered on an issue whose basis is silly and whose existence is troubling.
I always live by the maxim that you judge a person for who they are, not what they are. There are choices we make and those that are made for us. We can only be held responsible for the ones we make.
When I was growing up in Milwaukee in the early ’60s, we had two newspapers, one conservative and one slightly liberal. The John Birch Society was very popular then, but I don’t remember reading its garbage in the daily papers. We now have a large percentage of people in our country who live in a fact-free, alternate universe and a media that takes them seriously. We are in real trouble when citizens can no longer separate facts from fantasy.
Here’s is what is signfificant. Birtherism is not limited to Southerners. It is not limited to ignorant poor whites. It originated and was pushed by a foreign emigre in California. It is not a matter or trust or belief or knowledge. It is pure racist middle-school bullying by the political establishment and the media. It has been a conspiracy of nod-nod wink-wink. And now they’ve “won” because they’ve drawn a reaction from the president himself.
It continues to be an issue because it was, is, and ever was more bullying than a belief that he was an illegitimate president. And none of the so-called “grown-ups” in DC or the media have the guts to tell folks to shut up with their racist bullying.
It’s the media giving permission to the racists to act out. Next George Will will be the grand marshal for a KKK march in DC reminiscent of the 1920s.
Tolerate this and you soon will be tolerating the return of Jim Crow laws and child labor and all sorts of other “contrarian” or “counter-intuitive” actions pushed under the guise of opposing “political correctness” and “ensuring free speech”.
We’ve seen this script before, haven’t we.
For profit news soon becomes for profit narrative.
“Barack Obama and Clarence Thomas bear no resemblance to Dr. King and Malcome X.”
N-O-N-E
I tend to agree; it was all about racism.
But why won’t they address the fact his mother was American, and so was he, no matter where he was born? Have I missed something big here? I mean, my sister was born in Panama, and she’s as American as I am.
I get confused….
Oh baloney. Nowhere has Obama been disparaged more than here at FDL. All kinds of names. Oilbummer etc. He’s a faker and this issue is just one element of an overall reaction of many people to being victimized by a charlatan. That’s the truth.
Now all of a sudden opposition to Obama is racism. No.
What has transpired since Obama was elected was pretty much what I expected. Racial issues are more obvious and visible here simply because the country is more ethnically and culturally diverse than say some European country. I can attest to the fact that their are a number of European countries that are even more bigoted than we are. Finland and Sweden and Russia to name just three.
And you should remember all the to do over the Roma in France as well as the Muslim veil issue.
Not that any of this excuses it by any means. Just to keep things in perspective.
And speaking of perspective, does anyone thing the reaction would have been any different if say a Native American or an Asian American or Latino American would have been elected to office ?
Opposition to Obama isn’t racism. Birtherism about Obama is racism. Those words aren’t synonymous.
DD, great post. Facts no longer matter in this fucked up world, especially if the other guy happens to be the wrong color.
“Whoops: Trump claimed he would commit war crimes if elected president” (RawStory.Com, Apr. 26, 2011)
Donald Trump: the “reality” TV show host candidate worse than Fred Thompson
Tonight Lawrence O’Donnell delivered two exceptional segments on The Last Word. First, he launched a blistering attack on NBC for coddling Trump. Second, O’Donnell booted Orley Taitz off the show.
He was on fire.
Yep but we are already looking at changes to child labor laws.
And just why should he be different than other recent presidents?
Just for a change of pace, wouldn’t it be nice if we elected a president who wouldn’t even consider committing war crimes?
Why yes, now that you ask, I am enjoying my fantasy.
He keeps up that attitude they may boot him. But I loved watching Orley.
“At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst.” ~ Aristotle
Nothing will change until there is restoration of trust and accountability.
He booted her? He actually cut her mic and told her to leave?
Yes.
Woohoo! I’ll have to keep my eye on C&L tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
But nobody watches O’Donnell, and it makes no difference anyhow. Who’s Orley Taitz? I mean, I’ve also mentioned Bradley Manning’s inhumane confinement to friends–and they go, “Who’s Bradley Manning?” We’re in trouble with a capital T.
He sure went after the NBC execs. That sort of thing can get you unemployed. Maybe he can move over with Keith. BTW, Spitzer is getting my attention lately. That time slot is going to get really rough in a few months.
Fuck Trump and his racebaiting jive. (Disclosure: some of my best friends are real estate developers.)
This doesn’t go away: What in the world ever qualified Obama to be POTUS?
Other than his birth?
The immediate cause is a racist reaction to the black man in the WH.
The larger cause is the racist reaction to America becoming a non-white-majority nation.
They want to force white women at gun point to have children they don’t want. They want to restrict contraception to increase the white birth rate.
They want to eliminate illegal immigration and racially manage legal immigration.
They want to create a “guest worker” class of non-white cheap labor who may be here and may even have legal status, but are not eligible to vote or receive government services.
They want to suppress the votes of non-whites.
And they want to end birthright citizenship unless both parents are citizens (and white).
This frenzy all came to a head with Obama’s election because they couldn’t deny the changes in the racial make up of the country any longer. The fear of minority white status, long known but comfortably far in the future, was brought home on inauguration day.
This is really what they mean by “taking America back”.
“Lawrence O’Donnell V Orly Taitz OMG” (Video uploaded 2 hrs. ago, Apr. 27, 2011)
The fact that he is over 35 and has lived in the United States for at least the last 14 consecutive years. Other than that and citizenship, there are no other qualifications to be president, at least legally speaking.
Woohoo! Thanks! :)
“What in the world ever qualified Obama to be POTUS?”
A majority of the votes in the Electoral College.
Um Actually I was thinking the electoral college but I’ll go with Margaret on this one.
Three years of pursuit? Who bankrolls this woman? Any guesses?
LMAO! “Go play with Donald Trump”.
{ ROFL } The MOXNews photo (early in the video) of Taitz was perfect. Cue the Saturday Night Live skit!
Gotta love The Onion’s take on it too.
I always thought Trump was a piece of shit and now I know it.(reply to Margaret)
Taitz is out to destroy with whatever she can pick up and fling. That’s also what I got from that interview with O’Donnell.
Did she ever pay her $20,000 fine? I have to assume so since she’s not in jail. Something tells me after Monday she’s going to be fined again.
Does anyone know why Obama released this information now?
My two cents. Obama released this information to interject racism into the campaign. The birthers are playing right into his hands by asking for his school transcripts.
Why is this woman still on the California bar?
Because no self-respecting White Women would lay down with a Black Man, she might as well be none-existent. Everybody does it, they say He’s the Black President automatically ignoring his mother.
Americans have to put you in a box, he can’t just be an American, embodying our multicultural roots.
Angela Merkel said a few months back “Multi-Culturalism” has failed in Germany (talking about Muslims, Arabs and Turks). Actually it FAILED in The United States as it pretended all along that it was “One Nation Under God”.
If this low point in American history doesn’t get you angry enough to push Obama into doing what he needs to do, stop wishing he would do what you want him to do, just maybe we can make something useful out of this dark moment.
Then again, do you really care FDL? Making excuses like he should have caved in when that stupid Queen Birther started her ranting about his birth certificate, when you know from DAY ONE this has been a way to say “We don’t like the idea of a n***r in the white house but we can’t say that out loud”. Just look at what those on the right say “He’s the worst President ever”
Anything that they say on the right has racial overtones. During the primaries I voted for Kucinich because I knew any debate would start on the far left. It was far more difficult to elect him than Obama. Obama wasn’t saying much during the Primaries and let the Clintons expose themselves as White folk that would go to the race card to win an election.
Then like Clinton RAN not Walked to the CENTER. Washington DC (Not the City) is Center Right to Far Right, the rest of the country proven in polling again and again and again is Center Left at best and quite Left on social issues.
Thats why I say its time to leave America, its almost too far gone and there’s no way back. It will have to crash and burn before it learns its valuable lesson(s).
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Oh please! Blame the victim much? Obama didn’t have to “inject racism” into anything.
No idea, not being a member of the bar, California or otherwise. I believe they are still letting her practice dentistry too.
Even if he has (and I have considered the release of data as possibly some kind of strategy), I’m still not voting for the guy.
Stop it, its ROOTED in Racism, they don’t want him to succeed. Part of it is he’s a Democrat, the other reason is he’s Black. That’s why the media and everybody REMINDS you of that.
I always question the President politics, never the man race or place of birth.I can’t say he should of did this along time ago.Being a Black man myself, somethings are hard to do. I believed this take away some his dignity and the Office Of The President . No man should have to prove he human.I know hind sight is twenty-twenty .This is not going to make me soft on the President politics. I always tell the psycho alpha dogs on the right that that racism have to go.You do not have like a man politics,but you have respect the man. They have to get over themselves and deal with their own short comings. The right wing and some dixiecrats have been using that dog whistle for years. I call it undercover racism.You question his humanism. Things like, “he is not of us”. They do not realize he is probability more one them on the right (without the racism), than one of us on the left.
oh.my.dawG
Is this the 3D Chess that everybody says Obama is playing?
Just remember, he’s the one that released the information after two years of not addressing this issue.
I agree with the issue of “debasing” a president. It’s all a matter of trust. It’s not like Richard Nixon lying about tapes. It is not even Bill Clinton seeking to hide details of his anatomy.
Rather, it seems that because a President of the United States is black, and has a weird Muslim name, he is therefore inherently untrustworthy to a significant sector of the United States.
Per Dayen, that means we’re NOT a “postracial society.” Agreed again.
Surely, that too is part of why Obama held off on this step. He surely wanted to believe that even whites who weren’t latte-sipping Volvo drivers had “evolved” since 1954.
And, truth is, many have not, including members of my own family and people younger than me than I have run into at previous newspapers.
Question: “Angry black man” stereotypes aside, does this mean that Obama will stop being Preznit Kumbaya? Probably not.
As for 11-dimensional, not 3-D chess, he may actually be doing that, and halfway well: http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-birth-certificate-political.html
And the trolls invade. Gone.
One Love, One Love. I think Riley Freeman said it best -
He said F the Queen which is fitting given this Royal Wedding Nonsense and he also said F Guy Richie for being a Mangina but that’s for another blog.
Opposition to a president’s policy decisions is not synonymous with opposition based on what his skin color is. Maybe you should have read my comments at 15, 16 and 21 before you crammed your foot in your mouth all the way up to the knee. Opposition doesn’t have to be racial, birtherism by nature is race based.
Most of Obama’s former voting base feel wildly betrayed, and for good reason. The birther issue gained steam because Obama has capitulated far too often. I don’t care if it was race based or not. He’s screwed us over, let war criminals go free, surrounded himself with banksters, extended illegal wiretapping, screwed us on healthcare, screwed us on bank regulation, screwed us on taxing the rich.
It wouldn’t be “nice” or “bi-partisan-y” to challenge the Republican ass-clowns.
And besides, don’t you have to “look backwards” to see the folks you’ve thrown under the bus? Couldn’t have that.
Playing The Trump Card. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,962273,00.html
It’s a sad day for the US that we have regressed to this. A postracial country we are not. Regarding some comments:
1. Why so long? You gotta be kidding me. First, it was a nuts charge that shouldn’t have even been taken seriously, and revealed more about the questioner than the questioned. Second, he DID release the documentation, years ago- the normal ‘short form’ that is legally accepted to apply for passports.
2. Why does it matter, if he’s a citizen through mom, either way? Because a US president is required, by the constitution, to be born on US soil.
3. How do we know it’s racist? That’s an inference. There no rational or sane reason this has legs, other than that people just want to believe it. But it’s fascinating that the birthers, generally, don’t consider themselves racist, even though they clearly are. People sometimes deceive themselves by using ‘logic’ selectively in service of their base emotions and prejudices. Personally, I think that is some of the reason that people defy logic to call Obama a Marxist on the right, even as he is reviled as a quasi Newt Gingrich on the left.
I never heard Trump say anything about the Birth Certificate untill the media asked.Now the media needs to remove this type of questions.Media gave the USA citizen a shinny ball to play with and fight over.Now move on to Liveable wage jobs and building the USA take Social Security and Medicare off the cutting table for all ower grandchildren.
I just finished reading “Our Town” by Cynthia Carr,a book about the last lynching in the North in 1930. It is a fascinating and appalling narrative about the Klan in Indiana. After reading her interviews of local residents and members of the Klan, there I’d no doubt in my mind that racism is at the heart of the Tea Party and the Birther Movement. I highly recommend this book. She makes a strong case for a South Africa style reconciliation in this country.
There’s no doubt the birther issue is racist driven for political gain, but I have zero empathy for Obama. In fact, I almost feel this is some kind of karma for being such a lying sack of neo-liberal shit.
Amen. In all honesty though, he should have just released all that crap, birth certificate, transcripts, all that crap when he was campaigning. He made a molehill into a mountain and the birthers think they’ve won a victory. Obama looks weak. Then again, when hasn’t he?
So disappointed with this man on so many levels. I can’t vote him. Nope. Regardless of what moron may be in his stead. We have neutered the Democrats and opposition because he is supposedly one of us. He has institutionalized so many of the horrible things Bush did. He has to go if for no other reason to hopefully wake up the Democrats. Lol, unfortunately thinking back to the Democrats taking Congress, Nancy and impeachment is off the table for Bush sorta makes me second guess whether or not it will make any difference.
They are such sell outs, all of them.
Crackers and educated northern whites of my generation (boomer) suspect blacks – excepting Harvard men – are inferior: stupid, lazy, incoherent, violent and resentful in spite of how colorblind America is. We were brought up that way but were taught in school that whites aren’t superior. Lots of northern whites feel funny around black folks knowing blacks are at least our equals yet thinking deep down that they aren’t. I wasted half my life in this mode until a friend explained it to me: African Americans aren’t stupid or boring, in fact the opposite is true when you consider the strength and intelligence of the race that survived the Middle Passage and slavery, or if you bother to listen in on Ebonics conversations.
Republicans win national elections with images that lead confused American majorities to think that blacks want to take our money and dole it out to black thugs and welfare queens in Cadillacs; a black president must want this too. But the Republicans can’t actually say these things because it’s too politically incorrect even for them! The Democratic Party lost the racist south when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Obama won some of it back with the help of black voters and of whites who considered themselves non-racist (many of those are rethinking that proposition). All Obama would have to do to expose this shameful Southern Strategy is to come out forcefully as a black man. Threaten to abolish the prison system or worse. The racist wing of the Republican Party would implode. Then what would become of the Republicans and the tea party?
Looking at all the Republicans for President who would work best with a Democrat Senate and Congress?Someone wanting to finish Building The USA to greatness and knows cutting everything will not work.Would have to be better than Obama with a Democrat Senate and Congress.
What a totally non-important issue to keep people focused on the sideshow the political system in this country has become. this issue would best be served by being wholly ignored.
Let’s see. This WH has done nothing for progressive who elected him yet progressive wage battle for this WH. No wonder WH correctly summarized that they could ignore progressives.
Why not spend time and effort on causes and let WH fight its own battle.
WH could have squashed it long time ago if they posted it out there for all to see. Their own fault. Not worth time and effort that could be spent on real issues.
WH keeps progressives focused on birther anger while taking the progressive anger off social security medicare give away compromise to repubs.
Oppositions in Congress or in the Public? Public Opposition is largely policy related either way. But Congress? Its more racial than it isn’t and I always like how White People always wanna tell me or other Black People that something is not quite racism when there’s evidence all around you.
Solve the racism problem in America and you would largely solve a majority of the problems in this country.
Stop pretending just because their aren’t KKK rallies, Cross Burnings and appearances on Day Time Talk Show TV, that these people went away. All they did was move to Stormfront, that’s all.
You would think some people by now have learned not to say the N word in public, that is automatically admitting your racist and that’s WAY TOO EASY. Calling other white people Wiggers is offensive. Its offensive as Beck saying Obama has a problem with White Culture. Of course what he means to say if he was actually smart is ANGLO culture.
Anglo Culture -
Oppressed and Murdered Aborigines in Australia called Stolen Generations
We already know about British Slave Trade and American Slave Trade, denying Haiti recognition after booting the French out of Haiti. Occupying Haiti in the early 20th Century.
So you think after the murder of MLK and RFK in 1968 the world stood still?