Individual constituents, without the backing of a well-funded movement organization or cable network, continue to harass Republican House members who voted for the Paul Ryan budget at town hall meetings. This has reached a critical mass level, which if they were hyped by an aforementioned cable network you would know.
Here’s just a sampling. Rick Berg (R-ND):
“I would like to know: Did you vote to eliminate Medicare as it is today?” a man asks Berg during his library appearance in an exchange caught on video by PlainsDaily.com.
“No,” Berg says, before the audience contradicts him [...]
“I want you to tell me how much it’s going to cost us when we’re 65 years old after you give us a voucher,” [a woman] says.
“Fifty-five or over, absolutely no change, absolutely no change, in this Medicare program,” Berg promises.
“As long as you are over 55,” the woman responds. “If you’re 54, to hell with those people.”
(This is another sign that the exemption for seniors 55 and over is just not going over well with anyone.)
People at the town hall were much less sympathetic to Gosar’s vote in favor of the House budget bill that would significantly transform Medicare. It’s a risky vote in a state like Arizona, where retirees known as “snowbirds” flock to the desert sun, and vote in high numbers.
“I’m horrified by the plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system,” says retiree Susan Cosentino. “I think it will just send the seniors into poverty.”
Cosentino was one of about a hundred or so people at the town hall in Sedona. Most were seniors. Another, Anne Leap, also works with retirees. She runs a small business connecting them with services they need to live independently.
She says “Seniors at the lower end are so frightened by all this, and seniors at the upper end are just outraged. It’s a scary time for us.”
Schilling denied to one questioner that the program includes a voucher system, and in response to another, he said an inflation factor is built in to the program to cover premium costs.
According to Ryan’s website for the plan “Path to Prosperity,” “it creates a Medicare payment, initially averaging $11,000, to be used to purchase a Medicare certified plan.”
The Congressional Budget Office reports that under Ryan’s plan, seniors would pay 68 percent of their premium by 2030, compared to 25 percent of the current premium.
(So Schilling’s strategy is to just lie about the proposal.)
Herrera Beutler disagreed that the plan would create a voucher system. “It’s premium support,” she said — similar to today’s Medicare Advantage plans and the health coverage members of Congress enjoy, which allow them to choose from a range of plans that fit their needs.
“Medicare Advantage is the demonstration program,” she said. “Thirty-seven percent of seniors in Southwest Washington have chosen that option. … We’ll drive down costs throughout the entire Medicare system.”
However, a 2009 report to Congress by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission found that the federal government pays private insurance companies on average 14 percent more for providing coverage to Medicare Advantage beneficiaries than it would pay for the same beneficiary in the traditional Medicare program.
(see above.)
When Herger told the group that those on the new plan would have the same health care plan that lawmakers in Congress have, Gary German, 58, of Redding shouted out, “You lie. That’s a lie.”
German, who identified himself as a liberal independent voter who doesn’t normally attend tea party meetings, later pressed Herger about the plan, asking why the wealthy weren’t being asked to help raise federal revenue even though their tax payments have fallen over the years.
“It seems like you’re only focusing on one half of the problem,” German said. “You’re trying to balance the budget on the backs of seniors and sick people.”
(That area of California is a very conservative place, incidentally, and that was a Tea Party meeting.)
And we know about Nicole Sandler getting arrested at a town hall meeting for Allen West (R-FL). She also got maced while in prison. Lovely.
I know this won’t change many minds in the Republican caucus. What remains to be seen is whether it can change public attitudes and kick off an independent movement rooted in economic security and fairness. Maybe someday these same people can talk about the millions of people unnecessarily out of work through no fault of their own, too.




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Talk about tone deaf on the part of Ryan & Co.
There are a lot of economically fearful/stressed/desperate people in their late 40′s and early 50′s.
They know that losing a job at that age is end of story, and the last thing they want to hear
is that they’re being thrown under the bus to keep Ayn Rand’s followers happy.
No kidding. This is right up there with Tom Emmer’s mythical $100,000-a-year waiter: http://firedoglake.com/2010/07/10/come-saturday-morning-tom-emmers-war-on-the-waitstaff/
I don’t know. I think the Rs at working so hard to be jerks, if abolishing Medicare doesn’t kick off a public movement, the Rs will keep striving for something that will.
The Goopers forgot one of their basic rules: never tell the truth about anything. Of course, it hard to do in this case, because they aactually have to pass a law. I`m sure tht glitch will be fixed next time out.
Ryan thinks he has a job for life if he just does what he is told. The day he realizes that he is actually disposable like all the other people he was told he wasn’t like, his world will go tilt.
I’ve been amazed to watch this spontaneous reaction from people at these meetings (which, as DD points out, isn’t funded by Kochs or egged on by cable). I wonder what effect it will have in the polling booth, with so much anger directed at the GOP?
And watching Vermont try to develop its own single-payer plan by opting out of the plan Congress passed, the ACA, which Obama signed. American voters will take note of this development–and the opposition Vermonters face from the national government (including Mr. President and D’s).
And the same Republicans who encouraged and organized disruptions at Democratic town hall events are just whiiiiiiiiiiiiining no end about actual, real grassroots reactions.
Yeah. I laugh whenever I think of Bobby Jindal.
Citizen allan:
“There are a lot of fearful/stressed/desparate people…”
This is, of course, a significant component of the fascist strategy: create a “crisis”, threaten everyone and rely on the divisions of race, gender and class to keep popular coalitions from forming to make democratic political decisions on how to soleve the problem. Here in Wisconsin, it isn’t working. If the fascists had not announced the “Ryan Budget” so early and let the the Walker putch dismantle state services and destroy local governance, the divisions may have survived to keep people from idetifying with each other in their fear. The announcement of the Ryan budget just made the connection between what was happening to people in Wisconsin and what was threatening everyone else and connected the Walker’s plan to the plan to dismantle Social Security and Medicare. This was a tremedously fortunate mistake and has allowed real populist coalitions to emmerge that can’t be tied to Obama or the Democratic Party.
A conversation has begun between people, a conversation for which the vocabulary and rhetoric is not dictated by the representatives of corporate power. At least to this point, the multiplier of people to people to votes is much larger than that of money to people to votes. It reamains to be seen whether or not the massive transfer of wealth from workers to the oligarchs has provided enough money to overwhelm the math.
Something is happening here in Wisconsin that progressives need to understand and be part of, not as an elite vangard but as functioning citizens. We need people who are willing to do the work of listening to, understanding and working for the people as they figure all this out. There is no “middle ground” you are either with your brothers and sisters or you are a tool of the fascist oligarchy, your ideology will follow your experience in this fight so come and join us.
This is the best congress ever, according to the electronic voting machine readouts.
Governors too, amazing how the country turned hard right in the electronic voting booth.
That the goopers lie goes without saying but in this particular instance I am sure that very few, if any, of the ardent ideologists knew what was in the bill they were asked to sign off on. Not that they would have dared change their vote had they known about the pitfalls.
The Big Zero created a monster when he allowed InsurPharma to write, and he supported, a cocked up bill that did nothing but benefit big industry. It had little or nothing to do with reforming access to health care. If it had the goopers would not even be allowed, by their constituents, to get to square one in their attempts to get rid of it.
Frankly the insurance rates have gone up so precipitously since the Big Zero’s “reform” that my spouse, and many other women, are now paying 66% more for insurance than one year ago…and for less coverage as they now have to have a second policy for reproductive health care.
Reply to knut @ 4
Knut said, “The Goopers forgot one of their basic rules: never tell the truth about anything. Of course, it hard to do in this case, because they aactually have to pass a law. I`m sure tht glitch will be fixed next time out.”
I’m hoping that there is the begining of a movement in this country where people are finally waking up to the PTB and calling them out on their bulls*it. They are educating themselves about the changes that effect them. Here’s hoping…
Ryan’s plan is pure kabuki, IMO
It’s set the stage to make Obama “look” like he’s the only dam between the horrid GOP and grandma dying a horrible death. So, he looks like the only chance for Medicare or Medicaid or Social Security, for that matter.
They talk about “sovereign debt”. Well, SS and Medicare ARE sovereign debts, which the gov wants to default on.
Obama will get re-elected on this perceived “progressivism” and promptly pull the rug out. It’s the same thing that happened under Bush. He concentrated on the wars ( except for outsourcing as fast as he could) and then, after he stole ’04, turned his beady eyes on the commons. That’s what Obama’s going to do, plus bring predator drones to the US in case we don’t like it.
Yes! All of us are hoping against hope that Madison is the spark that ignites the tinder nationwide.
But my fear right now, is how do you in WI protect the integrity of the recalls? An ensueing legal battle of two to three years in the courts, is tantamount to defeating the recalls outright for the fascists purposes.
Good old Diebold; it can turn you into a republican or a DINO in a second
Norske, what’s the status of the petitions the Regressives have floating around trying to recall Dems? Haven’t heard anything and isn’t the R’s deadline mos ricki tick?
Agreed. Start off as right wing as possible. Obama makes draconian cuts in the status quo and declares victory.
Quite possibly true. There’s so much damn Kabuki going on from so many sources these days, it’s hard to tell what’s “really” happening and what’s done for show.
One thing’s for sure, *maybe* some citizens are awakening from their stupors to realize how they’re being robbed blind by the PTB. It’s not just the Ryan’s of this planet, nor is it the T-GOP, either. I sure don’t trust Obama one little iota. O has no one’s “best interests” in mind except for that of the upper 1%. In O’s eyes, the commoners are all expendable and grandma can be tossed under the nearest bus.
Citizen Phoenix Woman:
That’s a great analogy, when people in Minnesota heard that ridiculous statement it exposed the fascist feudal view of the relationship between the mass of people and the wealthy and they recognized what their own politics wasn’t. I’m not certain that the conversation I have heard here in western Wisconsin has begun at the same level in Minnesota. I think that having Dayton as governor has allowed people to go about their daily struggle and not think about the work that will be necessary in the next couple a years. I know that my 2 kids who teach in Minnesota feel that “there but for the grace of God and Governor Dayton go I” when they look at what is happenin’ here.
The Democrats will really be able to exploit this
in 2012until Obama proposes gutting Social Security.Citizen SouthernDragon:
The fascists have submitted petitions of recall against 3 Democratic senators but it’s not certain that any of them will survive srcutiny. In the meantime we now have our 6th filed. What is happening now is that the entire process has moved into the election mode before the recalls are even certified. This is a tremendous advantage for us since the only candidates known to be on the ballot are the pathetic creatures bein’ recalled…the longer that these fascist senators have no opponents they are out there all by themselves and the focus of the tremendous anger that is building in their constituencies is directed at them and they can’t deflect it toward some amorphous “liberal” conspiracy.
What is happening at the grassroots here is, for me, the most exciting thing I’ve experienced as an American since I watched Nixon resign…as a matter of fact I really believe we have a chance to get 1968 right in 2012.
The democrats are following suit. Slash and Burn single payer legislation, roll back entitlements. You’re not entitled to anything as a citizen of this nation.
How very socialist of you to consider that taxpayers should be entitled to anything. I think that, anymore, as a taxpayer all I’m entitled to is being ripped off by the upper 1%, who are enabled by foolish T-GOPers voters, who appear to enjoy voting & rallying against their own better interests.
No kidding. This sentence really stood out for me:
Think about that a moment.
This was a meeting where Herger expected to be among friends. And he got his ass kicked for going after Medicare.
Let the Beltway Bloviators pretend it’s not so, but Medicare and Social Security are still third rails as far as the public’s concerned: Touch it, you die.
People are crazy to believe that things won’t change for people over 55. The initial proposal may not involve reduced benefits, but plenty of pressure will be applied to cut those, too.
Those under 55 will be paying the same level of taxes and will eventually receive reduced benefits. There will be antagonism toward those “privileged seniors” who get traditional Medicare with better benefits. Republicans will be at the forefront, egging on those resentful under-55 folks who will be calling for cuts in benefits for those on the traditional program. The majority of working Americans will be paying taxes to support people who get more than they will. That’s a recipe for disaster for Medicare. Just watch conservatives use Koch-funded groups like Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity to generate plenty of rallies designed to vilify those over 55 and to put political pressure on lawmakers.
Another possibility is that, since benefits will be reduced, so will contributions through the Medicare portion of FICA. If that happens, there won’t be enough money to fund full benefits for seniors–and guess what happens next. You’re right, lots of benefit cuts for this “unsustainable” program.
Either way, those on traditional Medicare will lose and the program as we now know it will be gone–even for those over 55.
What Kassandra said – this is all kabuki, folks. Obama is the one the oligarchs need and are determined to get. The fake Republican opposition has to be as kooky as it gets and that is why Trump got such play, and why the Republican plan for medicare is such a horror. They’ve got to have something to make Obama look good, and the team is out there feeding the meme that he’s the better of the two evils.
No, he is not. He is part of it. Don’t buy into it, please, people. We have to find an alternative.
I don’t think that any attempt to vilify seniors over 55 will be successful because those folks are the parents of the under 55′s. Even teabaggers understand the value of medicare and social security to their parents, and ultimately, to them because it relieves the entire family of what is often an unbearable financial burden.
sorry, but it doesn’t matter.
we don’t live in that country anymore.
we live in this country. money rules. PERIOD.
what could be more american than americans turning on other americans?
medicare advantage is a joke. the ultimate rip-off. billions without providing one iota of service ANYWHERE. and yet, still in effect. when Ds had power??? doesn’t matter. just one party – the Corporatist party. two branches R and D.
all they need to do is have the children quibbling over ice cream while the rich steal everything else and laugh all the way to the bank. mission accomplished.
they already took a major shot at SS. protests? nope. anything? nope.
what makes you think they won’t accomplish the same with Medicare?
You must not have been watching the debate over public employee pensions. Republicans have taken note of how easy it is to generate hostility toward those who get “privileged benefits.” They won’t miss the opportunity to use this successful strategy against another group of elderly “elites” who have something younger people won’t be able to get.
You’re assuming that everybody has parents still living, or that they’ll be smart enough to see the connection between maintaining traditional Medicare benefits and their own self-interest. You’re also forgetting just how effective the conservative media machine is. Corporations don’t have children.
This is what I think of when any warmonger says he’s fighting for our freedoms….what frickin’ freedoms? Why the freedom to be screwed by the PTB of course.