The endgame of the deficit fight is going to be so brutal and so predictable I can barely bring myself to watch it. Republicans will say “we won’t raise the debt limit” even though they’ve privately assured Wall Street and the President they will. Democrats will say “this is irresponsible” even though they’ll attach something just as irresponsible to what ultimately passes. And the compromise reform will end up as something the White House wanted anyway.
Harry Reid telegraphed this in his conference call yesterday.
The leader of the Democratic-controlled Senate said Wednesday that any legislation increasing the government’s ability to borrow more money to meet its obligations should contain a cap on how big the deficit can be in any given year.
Majority Leader Harry Reid said the mechanism would involve a new law binding Congress to reduce the deficit. The Nevada Democrat didn’t give further details, but several proposals on Capitol Hill would trigger automatic spending cuts or tax increases if Congress can’t meet spending or deficit targets.
“You would just have a law that says we have to do it,” Reid told reporters in a conference call. “There are all kinds of triggering mechanisms.”
The trigger is essentially the same trigger that President Obama snuck into his fiscal policy speech that beat up on Paul Ryan and sent liberal hearts soaring. A deficit cap is certainly an improvement over a spending cap like Bob Corker’s CAP Act, which White House officials are apparently running around trying to stop. But it’s no prize. It essentially says that, if the deficit hits a certain limit, spending cuts or tax increases would have to ensure to bring the deficit down. Now, knowing what you know about this Congress and to whom it listens, exactly who do you think those spending cuts or tax hikes will harm?
I do believe there’s substantial ability to design a trigger that will never trigger; Washington was practically born to create such loopholes. And maybe that’s what Reid has in mind. But assuming this practically goes through, you’re looking at restraints on the federal government’s ability to run deficits to boost aggregate demand permanently. We’re at a point where the economy has run below optimum demand for going on three years. And the prescription for this is to ensure such a position forever?
The WSJ reports that key Democratic constituencies in Congress, including the New Dems and even the Progressive Caucus (!), are lining up in support of a deficit cap. Maybe it’s a least worst option at this stage. But the word “worst” is still in there.





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Bill, Kelly, PW — where are you? Gotta work within the Dem party, right?
Got $10 billion to start a party from the ground up? The only reason the Greens have enough money to siphon votes from the Dems is because the GOP funds them.
(But it’s so sweet that you think of us. We must really get under your skin.)
Now, to address the grownups:
David, I was struck by this passage in the WSJ article you cite as evidence that the ProgCauc is for a debt cap:
In other words, they know full well the Republicans would rather eat ground glass than agree to serious Pentagon cuts.
But I was darkly amused by this subsequent passage:
As opposed to taxing the rich?
Beachpoulist,
The only reasons democrats get any funding is because they are corporate whores. Obviously if you want to be a grown up serious person, you have to keep supporting the democratic party even though they fight against your own best interest. Who doesn’t want to be grown up and serious after all?
So keep pretending you can make a difference within the democratic party as the large multinational corporations pour millions into the party. That strategy is obviously working very well.
Don’t even consider voting for Nader in 2012 or any green party candadite. They only fight for silly childish things like single payer and such.
loopholes only work if and when those in charge want to use them.
military spending? –> “we have loopholes!”
social security? –> “no loopholes!”
we’ve been there for most of (but not all) of the last 30 years.
so long as there is not full employment, we are underutilizing the country’s real (not financial) assets.
i object to your implication (not the first time) that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is not a grown up.
Anyone know anything about that New Dem Coalition? Is that a new cover for Blue Dogs or what?
do you seriously think the democrats would prefer implementing serious pentagon cuts to eating ground glass?
it’s not about real policy choices represented by 2 different political parties. it’s about branding and political point scoring.
I love how bill and PW (to be fair I’ve got a lot more love for PW) always go straight to some variation of “do you have 10 billion to start a party?” as if electoral politics is the end all be all of “serious” politics and discussion. It’s like they can’t imagine a world where power is exerted through other means that the rich don’t control, despite witnessing and understanding the right exert power through other means every single day. Truly disheartening sometimes.
With all this kabuki bs about the deficit and deficit triggers, the legitimacy of the president, the return of the culture wars of de-funding planned parenthood, social security and medicare wanting to be scrapped, one would begin to think that we are reliving the 90′s again.
Ohhhhhh, that’s perfect. I’m stealing that.
Way OT
Some of you may know I’ve been looking for a job. 18 months now.
Well, I got one today.
The circus was going through town and I got a job circumcizing elephants.
It doesn’t pay much, but the tips are big.
Glenn Greenwald will be on Dylan Ratigan in a few minutes. Looks like he may talk about America’s advancement to military state.
I’d prefer to see folks here make an effort to get along. United we stand, divided we fall & fail. Most of are passionate and I believe we have our hearts in the right place. Hope we can observe our competing ideologies and make an effort to refrain from dismissive or derisory comments. Speaking only for myself, of course.
I learn a lot from most who post here; may not always agree but gain insights. Just have an aversion to condescension or attacks.
Peace, please.
LOL! Wooo-Hooo! Congrats on that job!
Congress can’t bind future Congresses, which is what triggers try to do.
Anyone who watched December’s Bush tax-cut fiasco can see how that works.
I saw the title and honestly thought it said Reid Endorses “Deficit Crap”
Or maybe I didn’t mis-read it?
well said.
i will try to do better and take your wise words to heart.
I don’t get this.
All the Republicans need to do is go back to being the party of “NO” and get the draconian cuts they want anyway, it’s built in.
What reason would they have to avoid the triggers?
Oh you have to be very careful now. Some states are outlawing that, so you might need to brush up on ammendments to the differing states laws.
Reply to peasantparty @ 15
;0)
Thank you, onitgoes. I have been increasingly distressed by the condescension and sneering of late when someone disagrees. It surely doesn’t encourage others to comment, does it?
LOL!!!
i’m pretty sure that all (or at least most) significant political change in the last century originated in social movement politics, not electoral politics.
one_outer, please do!
Just another gamed played out by congress that is owned by the elite masters and in the end, nothing for Main Street and everything for ws/dod.
Everything is on schedule, please move along.
A Karpian analysis of Obama. As true now as ever. The two parties are one; they work cooperatively toward the same objective: retention of power.
http://www.counterpunch.org/connolly10292010.html
LOL! and congrats!
It’s tough sometimes, though I love your sentiments.
On the other hand, I find it super tough to see myself as on the same side of those who want to help the Democrats take us backwards. The Democrats are a regressive party and even though these individuals aren’t regressive themselves (they’re making a strategic calculation) I cannot escape a clear view of aid and comfort being given to those that fuck us all over on a daily basis.
I could launch into a long winded metaphor here, but it’s really as simple as Battered Wife Syndrome. Why do you folks carry water for aristocrats that don’t give a shit about you and never did a single thing for you? That aren’t responsive to your issues but are super responsive to those that would hurt you for profit?
And they think we’re not serious. At least I know who my friends are and who my enemies are. Harummmph.
It’s becoming more apparent that once elected to Congress, your IQ drops at least 40 points. Did any Democrats actually take macroeconomics in college? Keynesian deficit investment spending by the government is the only action that will get us to full employment, because all evidence shows that the banks aren’t lending and business is hiring… overseas.
Someone explain to me again the difference between Dems and Repubs, cause all I see is that one wants to shoot us point blank with a gun, and the other wants to poison us in our sleep.
Either way, we (the middle class) are just as dead.
Oh dear!
There ya go selise, talking about “utilizing” the country’s REAL assests.
Next, you’ll tell us that maximizing the potential of everyone would be a good thing, why, it might even change the world, for who knows what those who have been marginalized might actually contribute?
Know that you continue to have my appreciation, selise, for behaving like a genuine human being of deep and thoughtful substance, exemplifying what actual, genuine, leadership looks and talks like.
Your message IS getting through.
DW
Anyone who has been reading DDay’s posts understands how incredibly stupid and unnecessary this capitulation — no, sell out — really is. The folks to whom the Rs are most beholden — TPTB — have told them to cease and desist on not raising the debt ceiling. There is NO reason to negotiate anything away to get the ceiling raised. NOTHING.
Instead, Reid is prepared to bargain away the single most important federal policy tool to maintain full employment: deficit spending. Without this tool — currently voluntarily pissed away by Barry — future recessions CANNOT be fought effectively. Future unemployment cannot be addressed.
This is total capitulation in the face of no effective opposition. And Reid is just following Barry’s lead. For a win in 2012, he’s willing to give away the nation’s single most important fiscal policy tool.
With all due respect, if you think Reid is smart enough to design a deficit trigger that can never be used by the Rs to reduce federal spending in the future, you need to stock up on the K-Y.
Oh, and by the way, this is the guy who wants to “trap” the Rs into voting for Ryan’s budget — to help in 2012. Good luck with that.
No condescension and rude attacks do not encourage a lively discussion. I *think* I may have some understanding about the frustration that leads some here to write in not such nice tones (and who knows? I may be guilty myself). Those who post here regularly tend to be political junkies, and consequently we are pretty much daily barraged with what seems like a tsunami of criminal venality almost beyond comprehension with giant lashings of sickening sexism, homophobia, racism, bigotry, and just plain downright nasty behavior.
It’s pretty disheartening & not really surprising that some/all of us may lash out from time to time. Being surrounded by the state of the world is unpleasant, to put it mildly, and I have to *watch* myself carefully out there in “reality” to make sure that the negativity and anger I feel often doesn’t get discharged inappropriately on some undeserving person.
Just saying… it’s understandable, but there have been some thread hijackings lately (not speaking of this one) where the “conversation” was pretty ugly. I have “talked” digitially with some whom I feel are just so darn frustrated that they’ve taken to attacking some here who are actually pretty like-minded.
Just hoping to raise the tone overall. I appreciate almost everyone who posts here regularly. I learn a lot. Let’s try to lift each other up and learn what we can. My more than 2 cents worth… stepping off of the soap box now… best to all.
Is that a new cover for Blue Dogs or what?
yes. they disbanded the DLC recently, replacing it with an organization called the Third Way, but the New Dems are the same group of neo-liberal, pro-corporate whore assholes.
I think Steve responded to your post without meaning to. Anyway, you both speak the truth.
Besides, when you really think about it we have been working for these corporations across America for decades. We have helped them to become the huge conglomerates that they are at the same time they paid us wages, we then turned around and gave all those wages back to them in either purchasing products or servies. These same corporations now not only run your personal life, they are running the country via whoredom from your representatives.
Here’s a counrty that is a all workers are in a union and has high taxes and check out what’s happening there compared to here.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1635689.php/German-unemployment-falls-as-economic-growth-gains-ground
Amazing but they still make stuff and corp. reinvest instead taking home
amen!
i didn’t say it, but i sure am glad you did. dwb, please lead on!
What’s the difference between Harry Reid and Sharron Angle? Can anyone enlighten me? /unfortunately not really snark
Yeah, and Bernanke cannot get behind raising unemployment because God Forbid, it would cause a little inflation!
at least in the 90′s we still had some Dems who represented the Democratic wing of the Party.
Yeah, amazing, isn’t it? I think the major diff *might* be (I haven’t done the research, so take what I say with a pallet of salt) is that Germany’s upper 1- 5% aren’t as insanely wealthy as those from the USA and elsewhere. No doubt they live well, and there’s probably a few mega-wealthy German families of the gilded age mentality.
But I believe that’s one of the bigger differences. Insane greed rampantly out of control has not yet become the vast and spreading dis-ease that it is here.
Those speaking to consideration and respect, to reason, tolerance, and understanding have my continuing appreciation and support.
To a very signifcant degree THIS site is an intentional community of mutual support.
Let it serve as best example.
If our species is to survive AND thrive such communities are not simply necessary to the future … they ARE the future.
DW
Harry Reid: Worst Majority Leader Ever, or Just Horrible?
Sharon Angle was probably never gonna win re-election. Reid hasn’t deserved to be re-elected for at least two terms.
Don’t be too hard on Ol’ Fightin’ Harry…he’s only carrying water for Obama.
Weird how jobs drive an economy, huh?
Totally fair question. We’d be better off with Angle because at least she’d be seen as an enemy (not that I live in Nevada or anything). Instead we get Reid with the same results and a bunch of collaborationists cheering because he has a D next to his name.
Liberals are falling in my esteem by the week.
Time is what Neo-Liberals and GOPers have little of
Once the illusion of the USA dreams becomes what we all know it is a bad nightmare, party over, kabuki over.
OBAMA being in the WH, gives nut jobs a reason to go crazy.
Neo-Liberals and GOPers made a deal with the devil, playing with birthers, and the dumb fox viewers, is going to bite them in the ASS big time.
Obama, Reid, Boehner, policies will only speed up the change coming, that no one wants.
what gives GOVT. POWER is people beliefs in the idea that their Politicians care about them, once this belief system goes up in smoke, GAME OVER.
OBAMA, REID, BOEHNER, are not the smartest people in the room,
RUSSIA just said they will cut off some of their gas exports, WHY? it is very simple to RUSSIA knows that High GAs Prices will destroy the USA and European economies, and probably create massive SOCIAL UNREST.
RUSSIA also understands OBAMA is considered by a lot of AMERICANS as not an AMERICAN.
Deficit Caps, better create JOBS! and FAST,
Yet again the USA needs to thank FDR!
What leader will save the USA this time?
Anyone who’s thought, since the HCR “debate” that the “progressive caucus” is anything other than a pitiful joke is, well, delusional.
Not another dime or another vote for any member of the Democratic party. To vote for a member of the Democratic party is to be complicit in the rape and pillaging of the United States as much as voting for a member of the Republican party.
By the week! I’ve been unemployed since before Obama came into office and he walked in with a majority in both houses. Nothing has changed except for more ways for the elites and corporates to rape and pillage.
A debt ceiling will hamper anything useful in the near future to change this economy and bring the country back to sound footing. How can we as a country do any of the things that have been suggested, such as a green economy and green manufacturing base if there is no government backing?
Yes they’re very Rich but pay taxes, but ceo do not make the money or bonus like here and they don’t have armies spread around the world and they reinvest in their industries.
Yep Kris, what concept
No “leader” will save the YouEssAy, jedimsnbcko19, the people and ONLY the people may choose, deliberately, in in full conscience, to save the future AND themselves.
The notion of leadership MUST change as must the reponsibility of the people for their own lives, aspirations, and future possibilities.
The people must lead.
This is not a new idea, as Margaret said on an earlier thread, though speaking about progressive sensibilities … the only thing that has impelled our species forward and upward is its own humanity, else, as Margaret said, we’d still be huddled in caves picking fleas off of each other.
It is time to behave like fully conscious and capable human beings. It is our lives and our time which is at stake. It always is.
DW
To be fair, in order to plumb the depths of my ire one must make a long trip. My well of pissed offness is deep and murky.
Two years ago I didn’t call myself a liberal but I didn’t care if others did. Now I hate it. I have to say stuff, “please don’t call me a liberal. Liberals are collaborationists with the corporate class, and don’t understand how they sow the seeds of their own demise. I don’t make deals with my mortal enemies. I’m a socialist. Which means I know who my enemy is.”
It helps the lurking crowd as well. I have learned so much from this site. Your comment speak volumes to me. United is the only way we have a chance. :)
Imma witcha! You have no idea the feats I’ve made in trying to find work. As a 54 year old, I’ve had to rake leaves for people just to pay my power bill and was once a two income household bringing in over 100K per year in the south. That is pretty darned good money for where I live, but it was fought for hard and very much earned by 14 hours a day for long periods of time. I had to sign a noncompete statement when Maersk Shipping Lines laid me off. I can talk about it now since it has been over two years, but believe me, there is nothing that has atrophied in my skills or area of expertise.
My sole conclusion is that Washington and the PTB do not want a working America. They are oppressing this country on purpose!
I agree with you.
there is nothing new under the SUN.
the USA elites back in the 60′s along with the USA military plotted and took over the USA political establishment.
However, they made a huge mistake putting OBAMA in the WH.
Below the surface of the USA, lies a deadly cancer called Racism.
Obama has done everything his masters asked and more, and is still hated by the left and the right.
OBAMA being in the WH, is uniting the Left and the Right, the Left hates OBAMA because he is a con man, and Right hates because he is black “birther”
the elites made a fatal error putting OBAMA in the WH,
Obama being in the WH may just end the illusion of the USA dream.
How ironic? :)
The Reid Deficit Cap better create good USA JOBS.
Me thinks Social Unrest with OBAMA in the WH, with the Left and Right hating him is not good for Stable USA Govt. :)
the Intelligent Left abandon Obama years ago
now the Intelligent Left is working to destroy OBAMA and the Elites.
FDR saved the Elites from themselves!
FDR helped the poor, but he saved the RICH!
Dude, my heart goes out to you. That sucks.
I graduated from college in 2007 with a bunch of debt. My first out of college job didnt’ pay enough to make all my student loan payments and eat, but I didn’t complain. Then I got laid off after 18 months.
I was out of work from February last year to January this year. Now I’m a temp at a big bank brokerage call center. I have no benefits. I have no security. My assignment could end any week. And, sickly and sadly, as bad as that kind of pressure is it was ten times worse last year when I wasn’t working.
Willing to relocate?
My sole conclusion is that Washington and the PTB do not want a working America. They are oppressing this country on purpose!
Yes!
It is not like FDR did not give OBAMA a blue print for getting the USA out of a depression.
A nation that wants to stay a super power does not give it’s mfg base to another nation.
Obama has intentionally wreck the USA and the DEM party
Who brought the GOP back to life? that would be OBAMA
if I was the GOP, I would just make commercials showing OBAMA getting on Airforce One and off of Airforce One. (this will freak out the Tea Baggers to no end)
All Liberals have to do is show OBAMA playing basketball or running down a beach in Hawaii, while the USA middle class burns
me thinks this would end OBAMA, and all NEW DEMS,
who knows someone may be planning this.
I’m with 100% on this one.
Obama and the Dems are making sure unemployment
remains high.
Meanwhile, the GOP is erasing unionized labor.
Working hand in hand for the same result.
Considering how desperate people are, by the time
they’re finished with us US wages will be in the dumpster.
Makes us more competitive with China and India.
Benefits Wall St., and that’s all they cares about.
Just read that McDonald’s hired 62,000, and turned away
938,000 applicants. Over one million people applied
for minimum wage and part time jobs at McDonald’s.
One million for 50,000 jobs.
Tragic, and not a word of concern from Obama.
What does that tell ya?
The Progressive Caucus is a bunch of morons.
Following them is like jumping off a cliff.
Obama and the Dems keep them around
so we’ll stay aligned with the party.
That’s their sole purpose.
As you say, Obama was put into power – after he assured the PTB and the MOTU that he (AND the Democrats as a whole “party”) was ammenable to the final destruction of government of, by, and for the people.
A small enough price to pay to join the legacy class, for those who desire such a thing.
America, as we have been taught that it was imagined to be … is no longer, its institutions are corrupted, utterly and it endless wars upon reason and humanity have moved the nation beyond realistic redemption.
The people, the civil society or what remains of it, must re-establish principle, beginning with a functioning rule of law.
To my consideration this can ONLY come about as a result of a new, or another, beginning, one not tainted by greed, avarice, hypocrisy and deceit.
Frankly, we are decades from a sufficiently broad and deep understanding of this necessity.
It is doubtful that the rest of the world’s people may reasonably, rationally, and humanly have the patience to tolerate what the behavior of this nation will be in that mean time, I split that word deliberately, so I imagine the likelihood is that we shall have to rebuild from the rubble of a destruction we shall allow to be brought upon ourselves BY ourselves.
Our failure, as a society has dire implications for the species as a whole.
So the actual “rebuilding” will, almost of a certainty, be worldwide.
The question is this, have we the imagination, the understanding, and the essential reasoning power to appreciate life and the planet which we all inhabit?
Have we the capacity, the willpower, and the grace to rise to the challenge of conscious awareness and thoughtful, considered existence?
My sense is that we do.
However, we also have a ten-thousand year history of surrender to violence, tyranny and conceit, which also describes far too much of our own nation’s relatively short history.
We have many new things to learn and embrace and an equal number of old things which we must relinquish and leave behind.
The opportunity is ours, whether we have the courage to understand that THIS time is ours, and, as well OUR responsibility, remains to be seen.
To get from “here” to “there” will require more of us, all together, than we can now imagine.
It would be wise for us to begin.
DW
The following quote doesn’t seem so wacky anymore, does it?
David Rockfeleer’s 1991 Bilderberg Quote.
Quote:
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”
He went on to explain:
“It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
– David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle)
They think they’re way better than the rest of humanity.
And they’re doing exactly what Rockefeller said twenty years ago.
They hate all of us.
They’re also extremely damgerous.
Sp correction: Rockefeller
I’d like to take a moment and award myself an F in typing today.
Thank you for your patience.
Hre we go again. Same ol’ same ol’. Republicans hold a gun to the presidnt’s head to get what they want so the USA won’t crash. And Obama will pretend to be aghast that they would do this. And then he caves in even if he’s holding the bullets to the Repubs empty gun. He can look so put upon “doing the right thing for the American people. Doing this for our own good. Gee, thanks, guy.
the current thinking among the elites is that they are GODs, because they are RICH.
Most inherited their wealth, few work and earned it.
this GOD complex among the rich, will destroy them.
the Earth always wins! we Humans can’t ignore escape the fact, that mother nature gives and mother nature takes away.
the rich attacks on the poor, are nothing new. A lot of people think man gets smarter? not!
the RICH always over reach, and the Poor rise up in Fury.
Climate Change and Social Unrest are going to CHANGE the way Humans live and work on Earth, the Rich will have little say or no say.
Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Earth Quakes, kill poor and rich! with no remorse
I concur, we overestimate ourselves AND our importance.
Earth abides.
DW
He sure sums it up neatly.
and Walter Karp, ……. he’s at the top.
Personally, I’m very important, and so are all of you.
“Sham elections. Sinclair warned that the two party system was a sham as the corporate oligarchs and party bosses decided in private who would win what seats. When an older Democrat displeased the elites, he was suddenly replaced by a Republican “reformer” to show that the system could correct itself and remove corrupt politicians. In reality, the Democratic machine quietly helped elect the “reformer:” he was even more corrupt and beholden to the elites than his predecessor.
(Sound familiar?)”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/04/bill-black-my-class-right-or-wrong-%E2%80%93-the-powell-memorandum%E2%80%99s-40th-anniversary.html
They’re also extremely dangerous.
yes and yes.
I am unable to understand ……. why do they hate us, and ……. why people can’t see that they hate us;
How much more obvious does it have to be?
They hate us, plain and simple.
man that is scary.
Very scary.
And the millions who
still support Obama and the Dems
scare the snot out of me, too.
Human doormats.
It’s like how it was in the USA in circa 1950 – to early 1970s. CEOs only made a certain percentage more than the next highest paid manager, and not a giant amounts more than the worker-bees. The marginal tax rates were higher, and that was an incentive for CEOs and business owners to reinvest in the businesses.
It was win-win-win.
The upper 5% were doing just fine and living like kings, thanks very much. They had plenty.
The average worker, whether middle or working class, was able to afford basic necessities easily, save money, often only one parent worked, so the other could stay home with the kids, and their was usually enough to send kids to college.
And the nation grew and prospered. Infrastructure GREW hugely in that time period. I know bc I watched it happen. I can remember when the country was so proud of projects like the Hoover Dam and interstate highway system and the space program.
Sure things change, and everything would be different now. But this different?????
It’s absurd what things have come to. Yet we have conservatives who come here often to chide us about expecting the upper 1% to pay their fair share. What a concept! Much less expecting US businesses to pay their fair share in taxes. What. a. mess.
They are asleep at the wheel and don’t bother to watch even the corp. “nooz.” My roommate is a good-hearted person & a Union member (pub school teacher) but wastes inord. amt of time watching junk-tv and has NO clue about anything. Feel “protected” by the Union even when I point out stuff to her. Sad.
She will def pull the lever for Obama, no questions asked. Not bc I haven’t done my best to educate her. She believes stone-cold in American exceptionalism, sad to say, and all O has to do is speechify about American exceptionalism and she’s got his vote.
It is rather scary… this is a person who’s reasonably well educated and reasonably smart. Just cannot be bothered to pay any attention at all. Doesn’t want to THINK.
Greens don’t “siphon votes from Dems.” To say such an asinine thing is to assume that Dems OWN those votes. They don’t. And Dems don’t own me.
I was a LOYAL Democrat for my entire adult life. I thought “If we can just get the White House, the Senate and the House at the same time, the Democratic Party will show just how different it is.”
I was a fool. And I refuse to continue to be a fool.
You know why more people don’t vote Green or some other third party? Because of the self-fulfilling prophesy of those who refuse to vote Green or some other third party on the basis that “they can’t win.” And so long as they say that, and continue to vote accordingly, they make it true.
Greens don’t siphon Dem votes, because they aren’t Dem votes.
Now to address the grownups? Can you be more insulting? You may remember me from Table Talk where you knew me as The Ox. And that post of yours is beneath you. If you have an argument to make, then make it. But insults aren’t argument, they’re fallacy. You’re better than that.
They hate us because they have power.
Their identity is their wealth and
wealth equals superiority.
Tremendous wealth is a drug.
It also buys power.
They’re utilizing their power through systemic
government corruption of the world’s only superpower.
If millions of people suffer and die as a result of
their wants and needs, well that’s just the way
it’s gotta be. They don’t give a shit.
We’re beneath them.
We’re nothing.
Flys.
They swat us away.
Losing wealth means becoming one of us.
We all know how some of ‘em took a swan dive in the 1930′s.
They couldn’t bear to become what they always despised.
Evolutionary stagnates.
Taking what they want. Killing if need be.
Predatory. Primitive.
They don’t understand why anyone beneath them should have anything.
Greed is good.
They’re f__ked in the head.
Their offspring is f__ked in the head.
Hoarders. Carnivores. Vultures.
Sociopaths.