Amid the spectacle of cheering crowds in celebration of the death of a man who himself murdered thousands of Americans, World Trade Center survivor Harry Waizer spoke best for me. “I just can’t find it in me to be glad one more person is dead, even if it is Osama bin Laden.”
But if I had to add something, I would say that I can’t find it in me to consider this as meaningful a development as the world finds it. I believe that the operation itself, spanning a decade, was a triumph of intelligence gathering, police work and careful planning, and that ought to be admired, though not celebrated as a shining example that “America can do whatever we set our mind to.” Hopefully we can set our sights higher than killing an enemy in the future. What we can say is that a decade of war brought us no closer to this stated goal to bring bin Laden to account.
The fact that bin Laden had a large mansion specially built in the affluent city of Abbottabad in Pakistan, the home of the Pakistan Military Academy, and that he stayed there for years without being disturbed, is the most significant part of this drama, to me. Though President Obama tried to stress that he worked with Pakistani allies on the operation, it really doesn’t seem like it, and nobody has answered why the world’s most wanted fugitive could chill for so long in a giant compound in the middle of Pakistan, rather than hide away in a cave.
The reason I say that it wasn’t a meaningful development, other than the visceral, psychic value (which we saw in the outpouring of emotion in Washington and New York City last night), is that US policy is unlikely to change. The White House background briefing did state that “the death of bin Laden puts al-Qaida on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse,” and I think that’s true. Terrorism expert Peter Bergen last night called it “the end of the war on terror.” But this event fragments and decentralizes something that was already fragmented and decentralized. And notice that it didn’t take long for the official warnings and calls for vigilance against a terrorist threat to ensue. I can’t envision any serious policy change that will spring from the death of Osama bin Laden. We’re still going to have a substantial force in Afghanistan. We’re still going to undertake covert operations in Pakistan. We’re still going to try to stick around in Iraq. We’re still going to make everyone in America take off their shoes and belts and have their bodies X-ray scanned before they get on a plane. We’re still going to see executives assert grand powers to keep America safe, perhaps even more so now that secret, covert counter-terrorism actions have proven successful.
And that’s a sad thing. Because this could easily be a turning point in our posture toward national security. We could say that police work and intelligence makes sense as a response to an extremist threat, one which should be kept in balance and not used to terrify the American public into accepting assaults on their civil liberties. We could say that massive military presences as foreign occupiers do not actually make America safe in any meaningful sense. We could say that working with allies to roll up criminal networks has far more value than any drone strike or invasion. We’re not going to say any of it, though the killing of bin Laden could be a natural time to make those statements.
I also have the sense that the bin Laden operation represents something akin to that idiom about fighting the last war. The Muslim world is so very different from where it was on 9/11. The Arab uprisings are far more consequential than bin Laden and Al Qaeda ever were. They herald a new Arab mindset, a desire among young people, downtrodden people, repressed people, to have self-expression and self-governance. They have overthrown two dictators and remade an entire region and they didn’t need Osama bin Laden to do it. Bin Laden was killed on Sunday, but in the eyes of the Arab world circa May 2011, he was already an anachronism.
I do not begrudge anyone, especially those with loved ones who perished on 9/11, the catharsis they may have felt at this action. Maybe if I lived in New York or Washington I would have a similar residual feeling. But from my vantage point, I see another action that will sadly not pull us off the road of the national security state, in a symbolic war that no longer needs to be fought, at least not in the manner in which we have been fighting it. I hope I’m wrong and this does presage a new direction. I hope that, deprived of its leader, Al Qaeda becomes a footnote that can no longer be used as a boogeyman. I hope that, deprived of its cause, wars in Muslim countries are viewed with puzzlement and are seen as unsupportable for much longer. But it doesn’t feel like that.




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Does anybody know what “officially” allegedly happened? I’ve heard that UBL’s purported body was “buried at sea”? Seriously? That’s the story?
I, too, am happy that families directly affected by 9/11, and those with relatives lost in the war, can feel some justice and catharsis. But I do not feel joy at this death. If it meant the troops would come home — that the death was the end of the wars — I might be able to truly celebrate.
ah Dayen – you have shot to the top of my Gotta Buy This Guy A Drink ! list
ok, so you were already in the Top 5 but man oh man does this straightforward post speak so very clearly for me
Well said. This needs context, and your post is the first I’ve read that attempts to do that.
Ding.
I find no meaning in this event whatsoever.
And can someone please explain to me what “closure” is?
I think the meaning of every dramatacized event such as this is to dominate conversation and “reset” everyone’s mind to a more controlled frame. Meme shift, if you will.
Closure is moving on — whether it’s called for or not.
I could not agree with you more.
Well said.
The real impact is the popular imagery. The message. I WISH the left could understand how important the message is. This inability to recognize how important the message is leads to the left constantly screwing itself.
Bin Laden’s importance was as a figurehead. This is a significant turn of events in world culture.
Whether it’s a positive or negative turn of events is debatable. But to not even recognize it as truly significant event is to fundamentally misunderstand how the world works.
Not feeling the joy, either. I may be reliving 9/11 …
“Closure” is a word used by people who want you to put your unresolvable, inconvenient feelings away so they don’t have to deal with them. They pretend to offer you the path to that ~ some action or event providing “closure” ~ some magic that you must perform or believe ~ but it’s nonsense.
Unfortunately, well-meaning people who do not know what to say and cannot say “I do not know what to say … I am so sorry” may parrot the term when they are trying very hard to be helpful.
ymmv.
I wonder how few Americans know that the USA funded Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviets? I guess the same number who know that the USA also sold poison gas to Saddam.
In any neigborhood (especially in a third world country), in no time, all the neighbors know who lives in the mansion.
A lot of the UBL story makes no sense.
I’m not sure if this is a misquote, but I just heard on BBC that Osama’s compound was less than 1 kilometer away from Pakistan Military Academy. Not in the same town or village but less than 1 kilometer away!
Everyone moved on from OBL a long time ago.
I swear, you got to go crazy in this country to stay sane …
Some of the ironies from last night:
Eliminating the original impetus of the war on terror is now being justified by many of the talking heads to try to escalate the war on terror … “they are really going to come after us now”, “we got them on the ropes and now it’s time for the knock out punch”, idiocies etc. The u.s. gov’t only dwells on its triumphs so I wouldn’t doubt that this at least will be used to escalate drone attacks in the Arab world.
The u.s. government forced revelers in dc last night to celebrate this great triumph of the land of the free IN CAGES (fenced off areas – “freedom” zones) … and revel in their “freedom” they did.
If bin laden would have blasted the world trade center with all those wall street outfits today there certainly would be a lot less grieving in this country about it.
Some other thoughts:
bin laden may be dead, but he won. And, like Ian wrote, he was willing to die to win.
How anyone can look at the totality of the situation and consider this a victory or a triumph is beyond me. First of all, it took the u.s. government 10 YEARS to get him and, through the wars … and the war on terror … that 911 was used to justify:, also the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and the destruction of many of our civil liberties that this country purported to stand for. And that won’t change.
In regards to dumping bin laden’s body at sea:
IMO, the primary reason that they dumped bin laden’s body in the sea is to give the Arab world an opportunity to believe that u.s. gov’t is full of shit … again. I believe that the u.s. government got him though, but it’s not like the Arabs don’t have many good reasons not to believe what they say. So, the body was dumped at sea … for no one to see … to diffuse any Arab unrest about bin laden’s killing during a very volatile time and therefore try to prevent a catapult point.
And if you want to believe that bin laden is dead, you believe it … and if you don’t, you don’t. There’s no proof of it so you can believe anything that you want to. In fact, the u.s. government’s psy-ops guys are probably already laying seeds in the Arab street that bin Laden isn’t dead … that this is a campaign publicity stunt by obama or whatnot.
And unless al-queda comes out and says that he is dead … and they may have some reason not to (not to give the u.s. a “victory”?) … then the most angriest Arabs will be the ones that are also the least likely to believe that bin Laden is dead.
Z
Oh! well said!
If “closure” was a s simple as burying the body, none of us would continue to grieve.
People find all sorts of psycho-babble to avoid feeling or helping their friends through their feelings, I’ve found.
It seems to me that the coordination of intelligence, police work and special forces activity is a better solution to terrorism than boots-on-the-ground-style war. But I also agree that nothing will change.
I also suspect Osama bin-Laden was executed and the body disposed, for obvious reasons, rather than brought to justice.
No kidding. I doubt most citizens know that, nor do they know that at times we have sold weapons to Gaddafi, as well as to Saddam. That we armed the Taliban to fight the Soviets and then just walked away when that conflict was over, only to watch the Taliban do what it did.
Talk about FUBAR. What “closure” am I supposed to get out this alleged “killing” that took a decade to happen? Not clear on that concept.
Are you sure about that? A bunch of crowds at Ground Zero and the White House would seem to indicate otherwise.
Well when you fill up next time with at least 15% Saudi gas, just think about all the client states and ditatorships developed under the Carter doctrine and by the Clintons. Our former President Clinton grifted how much from the Saudis in “speaking fees” and “foundation donations” after he left the WH. (ans: at least 21mm)
Now the Saudis slaughter Shia in Bahrain and not a word from the US and/or the Clintons. All of this is ignored even as a premise in considering what Bin Laden was able to manipulate with his Saudi millions.
Well, at the very least, this makes a nice club for Obama to beat over the heads of the Republicans all next year.
No kidding. Esp after Benazhir Butto told us all that ObL was dead a long time ago. What a load…
was in a public area last night using the wifi when the breaking news scrolled about a presidential announcement at 1030pm and then TPM ssaid it was about a covert cia operation overseas and i said to the group watching the ceiling mounted teevee that the usa either captured or killed OBL and everybody asked me how i knew that and i said that i pay attention and then sure enough, that is what happened.
then i said to the group that now the usa could get the f*** out of Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and dismantle TSA and DHS and get rid of that odious and evil “Patriot” Act and restore our civil liberties and close Guantanamao Bay Death & Torture Camp and start observing the Rule of Law again and things like that.
what was the group’s reaction ????
horror !!! we can’t do that !!! THOSE people still hate us for our Freedoms and Democracies and blahblahblah.
we are f***ed. this sh*t will never ever end. too much $$$$$$ and power involved.
Rarely do I read a post in which I agree with every sentence and wish it was one I had written myself. Great post, David.
That’s the money quote for me. What’s going to change? Not effen much if anything. This Kabuki Show signifies nothing, other then the mother of all POTUS campaign kick-offs.
Dramatic events, esp tragic ones, never get “closed.” There’s always reliving them. PTSD is only one name given to the phenomenon.
Writing the umteenth book about how the U.S. really really really coulda shoulda won the VN war, if only the military had been in charge, or really really really coulda shoulda recognized that VN was an unwinnable quagmire from the beginning, are famous examples. As is the perpetual argument about whether the U.S. shoulda nuked the Japanese.
I read your comment at Greenwald. It’s good. I thought Glenn’s article was a little light in content and perpective. Perhaps because I thought the same things already.
Yeah, maybe, but even so: So What?? The T-GOP will be as nutty, racist and delusional as ever, and Obama will cave and be all bipartisan-y like before. Nothing’s changed in that regard. Don’t kid yourself.
We buried the story at sea.
Flash in the pan.
http://www.afp.com/afpcom/en/taglibrary/thematic/actuality
Sorry it’s not a better link. From the article “Bin Laden’s body was quickly buried at sea, US officials said. “We wanted to avoid a situation where it would become a shrine,” one said.”
I prefer bipartisan-y to destructive lunacy.
By now, I don’t think anyone in the Arab world gives a shit about bin Laden. I wouldn’t be surprised if we had dug up his corpse and shot it.
But everyone will posture and warn us about the re-newed “threat of retaliation”. Heck, maybe Obama will bring back the color-coded terror alerts that so many bought.
They certainly don’t seem to be trying to calm anyone on TEEVEE right now.
But hey! the stock market is joyous and the price of precious metals went down….a little. so, it all good, right? RIGHT?
We can’t move on from this, though. Even if we brought every troop home from Af/Pak. The families of the dead would still mourn. The soldiers who have lost their limbs and their minds would still need attention.
The last 9 years and 7 months will forever be a scar on this country. At least until the last Afghan War vet passes on.
Thanks for this thoughtful post. It’s been smelling like CNN on “progressive” sites all morning.
Flashback: Bush on bin Laden: “I really don’t spend that much time on him.”
Just “BE HAPPY”
This will get the Obamabots out in force for sure! It’ll be a wonderful couple days here in the comments at the ‘Lake.
Yes, quite agree with all that you say. We can all debate until the cows come home whether Team USA “killed” ObL (yesterday? last week? I’ve heard both touted) or not. It really doesn’t matter. What matters most is how Team USA has “handled” the Kabuki Show this time around, which is *claiming* that the body was buried at sea.
That’s the tell. Nothing has changed. It’s still “game on,” and US taxpayers will continue to be hit-up for $$$$ to feed the gaping maw of the MIC. What’s changed? Abso-effen-lutely nothing.
Jesus Fucking Christ, that’s the first thing I noticed while reading the NYT story. Buried at sea? WTF? No forensic evidence? Something stinks here worse than a week-old fish left to rot on the drainboard.
Thank you for the post, David. Your writing is superb and you’re always topical and informative.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
It is hard to argue with your analysis that this will change nothing in the way the American empire works or the terrible appetite for blood and treasure of our imperial corporate beast. I, however, think that we might have an opportunity here to redirect attention to the precious little treasure we have left and the fatal error of feeding what is left to the dying oil dinosauer (a little Norske humor here). We can’t sustain the levels of guns in which we have hitherto invested and we are already runnin outta butter…so the battle for the future of capitalism in the US is now engaged between the banksters and technocrats on one side and the oilagarchs on the other. The key, as was the case in the Egyptian democracy movement, will be where the military comes down…my bet is with the banksters.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR IS NOW IN YOUR LIVINGROOM SO DEAL WITH IT!!
Tell it to her.
According to Benazir Bhutto, just before she was assassinated, the ISI killed OBL in 2002…
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
heh… thanks for that. forgot about it. yeah: how ’bout that one? Didn’t one of those rightwing jerks wax lyrical last night about how everyone should “thank bush”?
eh – I’ve been referring to that all morning. I figured ObL was dead a long time ago – either by a bullet or bc of his bad health issues.
Ask her in another decade whether OBL’s death made any difference to her mental health.
Your bet is my bet.
I owe you a drink. I just got here and haven’t read down-page yet. What will you have this morning?
It was all the result of the fantastic groundwerk layed by Cheney Halliburton, Dubya Bushco, Rummy Tamiflu, Worldbank Wolfowitz.
It required the sacrifice of 200 million outsourced jobs, Collateralized Debt Obligations, Credit Default Swaps, and the biggest housing bubble pump and dump in world history, but:
YAHOO! WE GOT BIN LADEN!
Thank you for this post, David. I agree!
I am looking forward to Newt Gingrich tearing into Obama over the operation that killed OBL. If Obama does it, then Newt is against it.
Maybe Gingrich will have to be silent for a while.
I am glad I am hearing this… I felt really left out last night. I just really dont care. Maybe 5 years ago or 7 or 9.
To be honest I never internalized 9/11 in the first place. To me it was like watching the Tsunami or Katrina or the current Japan disasater. Its something awful that happened to other people really far away.
A-yep. Will be interesting to watch how this plays out bc what you highlight, Norske, is a key issue here, which should not be ignored.
After my jeering last night at the Kabuki Show of Team USA *claiming* to have killed ObL, my second thought was: we HAVE to be running out of money to keep engaging in endless WARZ, Inc. You can only squeeze so much blood out of a stone, and the US economy – despite various optimistic reports – is till in the dumper, esp as far as jobs go.
So why did the PTB suddenly decide to “kill” ObL now?? Per usual: follow the money!
This all stinks. It’s way too convenient.
In the midst of a 3 year old financial crisis, the Senate set to hold a vote on the elimination of Medicaid, the nationwide assault on unions, record oil profits, and the upcoming inevitable cave on budget issues in the debt ceiling fight, we get a shiny Osama body dangled in front of us.
It stinks.
Gotta wonder how any of that relates to my comment, but okay.
My usual: iced green tea, no sugar!
Was that YOU last night who was comparing ObL to Jar-Jar Binks? I only had my phone & was scrolling thru the zillion comments quickly.
You can if you want. I don’t think I’d be interested in being that rude or presumptuous.
Did Obama really get Osama?
SHOW US THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, OBAMA!
Now you know where this thing is going. :)
Analysis: Killing the alibi
Washington has less reason or justification to wage a war in Afghanistan now that bin Laden is no more.
Negative. Kelly Canfield dropped Jar Jar in there somewhere.
*slides tea down the bar*
Huh?
Another day goes by, and:
* We are still burning coal
* We are still using nukes
* Our population increased, again
* More species have gone extinct
* We are still dependent on automobiles
* We still don’t have a public option
* We still haven’t raised taxes on the wealthy
We don’t need no stinkin Medicare, Social Security. We got bootstraps. We’re USA AMericans, by GOG!
Haven’t you heard? The Wicked Witch IS Dead!
Here come Pete Peterson.
On google talk right now with a colleague in India.
He’s congratulating me on our assassination of Osama.
Ok: I’ll dive in on that one. I have no idea (none) how it would feel to have lost family in the World Trade Center on 9/11, but I did have good friends who lived/worked in Manhattan on that day and who’ve talked at length to me about that day. I get it that it must’ve been horrid. And I certainly don’t wish to diss anyone over that; it was real; it was frighteningly awful.
I have loads of questions about 9/11, mainly in re to how the Bush Admin did not, imo, approrpriately respond to clear warnings about info indicating that it was likely there would be some kind of attack on NYC.
Following 9/11, I’ve had tons of questions about how the Bush Admin & now the Obama Admin have responded to the so-called “War on Terror.”
No matter what happened to US citizens on 9/11, I think we’ve all been duped and robbed to feed the gaping maw of the greedheads running the Military Industrial Complex.
If people who lost loved ones on 9/11 somehow feel “comforted” or find “closure” with the notion that Team USA “killed” Osama bin Laden recently: well so be it. Good for them.
I don’t happen to believe that’s what happened. Just bc this propoganda gives some “comfort” to some citizens does not *justify* it for me. Just saying… that’s my opinion.
DNA confirms…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54098.html
He’s a good man
Adding up SOME of the “cost” are ya?
Good on ya, hackworth1, good on ya.
Another sort of “reckoning” is coming, one day, to this nation.
NOTHING will change America’s behavior but economic collapse or physical destruction. America has NO other ways of learning, it seems.
DW
Buried at sea. And right after the birth certificate was released. Too much propaganda in too little time. Buried at sea, really?
(I am not a birther)
Thanks for the tea and thanks for identifying the “culprit.” I had a good guffaw over the Jar-Jar comparison! snort
I never ever heard about this “Muslim custom” of burial at sea and I’ve lived in Muslim Kashmir and have quite a few Muslim friends.
So “convenient” that we cannot really “see” the body – eh?
Well, GOSH, if Politico SAID it, that MUST be the TRUTH. /s
Furthermore, the widows put the discussion of their personal feeling in the public domain, so why is it inappropriate to talk about it.
I was 5 miles away from WTC on 9/11 fwiw.
But more important, I had a tragic event in my life almost 25 years ago. One never forgets or adjusts emotionally.
We are still burning coal good* We are still using nukes good* Our population increased, again illegal immigration* More species have gone extinct happens* We are still dependent on automobiles wonderful* We still don’t have a public option thank goodness* We still haven’t raised taxes on the wealthy ..how about taxing the 47% who pay NO income taxes??
easy to get DNA..there was blood all over the place
This episode reminds me of Simon Wiesenthal and the bringing to justice of Adolf Eichmann. Eichmann’s death represented Justice to many affected people. I feel the same.
BTW, I have an Iraqi friend who told me what he would have done to Saddam Hussein (and to UBL). He stated that he would burry Saddam under a public toilet in Bagdad. That way, Iraqis could piss and shit on his remains for eternity.
Citizen onitgoes:
Now yer gettin’ it Citizen…and before we fall too far into the tar pit around here let’s focus on what Obama’s choice to “kill off” Osama means today and how we can use that knowledge. Clearly we must redouble the efforts on the ground against the old line fascists that are fixin’ ta ride into power on the burning tail feathers of ObamaRahma and the tide of the newly empowered KKK in the various states. Obama and the banksters need us now more than ever and now is not the time to mumble and stumnble around grumbling about the fake Bin Lauden assasination. We have a moment here in which we can take advantage of people’s release of their grinding fear of the “other” and focus ‘em on the sourse of the terror in their lives for the last 30 years.
That is right, eCahn. The scar is always there. Closure is a myth. Closure is a marketing tool. Closure rolls out of the mouths of people close to the tragedy who don’t want to be contaminated by the grief of the family and friends left behind. Closure is denial.
agree. no one here is dissing people who lost loved ones on 9/11, even as we know that the govt has refused to appropriately assist 9/11 first responders who’ve suffered health problems bc of their bravery…
wallowing in how this propoganda somehow allegedly makes some citizens “feel better” or “find closure” misses the point.
Magic Bulletins, onitgoes, discovered on a grassy knoll … once upon a time.
That is why the “Mansion-compound” was destroyed.
Loose threads can trip-up even the best and brightest.
Questions are merely questions, but actual “evidence”? ‘Tis alway “best” when “absent”.
DW
Quite agree. If this propoganda can be used for this purpose then I’m all for pretending that ObL was “killed” recently. So be it.
The boogeyman is dead, folks. NOW WHAT?? NOW how do we stop killing foreigners for fun & profit and to the deteriment – financially and otherwise – of the average US taxpayer????? That’s the question.
This death of BenLaden story is bullshit. It makes me sick to see people eating it up.
Citizen onitgoes:
I hope that folks around hFDL will stop makin’ fools of themselves tryin’ ta solve the phony mystery of “was it Osama or wasn’t it” and focus on takin advantage of the moment to help a terrorized country refocus on what is really happenin’ here.
Sure. Fine. But Eichmann was *brought to trial,* and when Eichmann was executed, we could be pretty certain that it was, you know, really Eichmann that was killed.
We have NONE of the above with this current Kabuki Show. Sorry: no dice.
On the one hand, I can’t say this event was meaningless to me. The manner of Bin Laden’s death was exactly as I would have originally envisioned it; a small surgical strike based on painstaking intelligence. I salute the patient, painstaking men that relentlessly tracked this man down and finished him. In the end, the wars were just a sideshow, as we knew.
And yet, this man was completely successful in what he wanted to accomplish. The economy is in decline, the banks are insolvent, and American lives are still being lost as a direct or indirect result of his actions. Even more sadly, the United States has betrayed its most cherished freedoms and surrendered its moral leadership in the world, and right now I don’t see a way to recover from that.
He is dead, yes; but he won because we were stupid.
What about the Unions tyranical assault on Boeing??
They are earnings..not profits..most of that money will be re-invested into r&d..The oil companies make only 3% of their earnings in the USA..The USA is hostile..thus, you pay at the pump..the budget must be cut, entitlements phased out and growth at home encouraged..free market enterprise is the answer to all of our economic ills
“Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. St. Monday and St. Tuesday, will soon cease to be holidays. Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them.”
–Benjamin Franklin, letter to Collinson, 1753
Hey I’ve been whiiiiiing about that, myself, Norske, so I confess to being guilty.
However, I think that *most* of us are attempting to use it as a “teachable” moment to point out how fake this whole thing is.
I think also that most of us are on the same page as you: nothing has really changed, but can we use this moment as an even bigger “teachable moment” and possibly to affect some “real” change.
I get you. I agree. Absolutely that is THE SALIENT point to take from this.
Gregg Levine has a fresh cross-post available: President Obama Speaks Live at Medal Ceremony
Here are my initial reactions, fwiw. and BTW dday, thank you so much again for a level-headed post.
1. Really? He’s really dead? Initial shock of the news. Plus I just can’t cheer and smile about death, even an enemy’s. It does feel like a victory, but one I can’t cheer.
2. How’d they get him? why did it take so long?
3. Troops home now. Will this change policy? Probably not.
4. Is this Mission Accomplished?
5. How do 9/11 families feel?
6. Will rightwingers be upset that they cannot scare us with OBL anymore?
7. Can I keep my shoes on at the airport now? Probably not.
8. Can I trust this news? Probably, but I will be told not to or that it doesn’t matter and Go USA!
9. More shock.
Yep. Well said. So how can we avoid such stupidity going forward (asked bc I, too, don’t want this crap repeated)?? Something for everyone to consider fully.
Amen. I don’t plan to lose one moments sleep over the death of Osama. He was a terribly bad human being who caused the deaths of thousands of people. At the very least, one of the excuses for this “be afraid” crap has been removed. Burying him at sea makes perfect sense – a grave where people could go and “honor” him would have been a mistake. I don’t feel proud or delighted and I would not have joined the cheering in the streets. It’s done.
“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm”
The last thing bin Laden saw was a US SEAL doing his job.
Norske, from your fingertips to the hearts AND minds of them what get it.
That they may find the energy to educate and encourage for so long as it may take …
The class war is becoming daily more visible.
And being seen as such by more people than ever before, and the timing, should we seize it, will increasingly become ours.
Your narratives are among the most powerful in their resonance and truth.
On with more power to you and all who speak the human truth.
DW
Kabuki Show. It’s the trope of tropes on FDL. If you saw a sunrise you’d be convinced that the PTB had orchestrated a laser show simulation of a sunrise just to trick you. The similarities between the anti-Obama right and the anti-Obama left are getting creepier by the day. Heap all the scorn on O you like for being the pet of Wall Street etc. etc., but this turn-the-other-cheek pooh-poohing on the part of DD and others toward the Saudi rich boy theocrat killer is sickening.
The ability to function in most areas of life after tragic events differs from one person to another, with most people probably being able to “move on.” But as you say, the scar remains.
To look at another aspect of celebrations of OBL’s death, it is revenge.
From what little I know about revenge, it is the opposite of closure. Tends not only to self-reinforcing, but often in a downward spiral.
If it’s in Politico it must be true. /s
I’m rather amazed at the reaction here this morning.
One thing that should be remembered is that Osama was not only responsible to thousands of dead Americans, but there is no way that Bush would have had a second term if 9/11 had not occurred. And I’m supposed to be angry at our gov’t or something. I think not
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So sorry you dont feel the elation I do..I feel like I am inhaling fresh air..I received a call last night at 9:30pm from a friend in Australia..informing me of the wonderful news. He said the Aussies were celebrating also!! Made my heart very proud.
Thanks to the CIA and the Navy Seals for a job well done. Thanks to Pres Obama for showing strength and diligence. and “God Bless America”.
Again, GOOD triumphed over evil
I shall never be able to see that suggestion without thinking of demi and Margarets “play” on the Rawhide theme song, Kris …
DW
We can argue about the rightness or wrongness of Obama’s decision here all day, and I’m sure there’ll be plenty of questions to go around. But I’m not interested in telling someone who’s been personally affected by Bin Laden’s terrorism how they should feel about it.
That was playing in my mind as I typed it! Hilarious.
Fascinating. Do keep us updated.
I’m feeling really weird about the news. My opinions are not fully formed yet and I don’t want to watch the news except to find out the bare facts about the mission.
When someone dies, even by natural causes, there is something about seeing the actual lifeless body to prevent any emotional defenses from kicking in some heavy duty denial. In the case of high profile deaths – outlaws, celebrities, dictators, criminals like Ken Lay – it helps to keep rumors down to see the only proof that matters: the dead body.
I was ready to accept this news until I heard about the burial at sea. Now I don’t know what to think. That’s because we’ve endured 10 years of propaganda about so much…
Hey! Thanks! I look forward to your future comments.
Did any member of ObL’s family ID him? Were his family present when he was allegedly buried at sea in a hurry? Are they all in mourning today? Was his head facing Mecca? Islamic burial at sea is usually only allowed if the person died at sea and couldn’t be taken back to land w/in the prescribed time. It’s not the ideal buriel for someone of the Islamic faith. Could a lack of ideal ceremony or insult be the reason for heightened American security measures? Job security = create the problem, then scurry to correct it.
More important to my life, where is all the new US infrastructure from the stimulus? Military bases, bunkers and new bank buildings don’t count. We still have some really crappy roads, water systems, schools, ect. and most anything worthwhile is being defunded. Paulson to Bush to Geithner to Obama–where is the support for America rather than the BS wasting of our taxes on other nations and private corps?
Yes, his young Yemeni wife who he married 10 years ago. They went to some length to observe religious tenets, however, I don’t have a problem if he didn’t get the complete package of respect for his passage into the nether world.
I share some of the bristle at the antipathy expressed here. I just quit reading last night screaming STFU in my head, at some of the posts.
I have been very critical of the President and haven’t shed that.
The fact that two teams of about 40 SEALS and spooks pulled this off is incredible, and as someone posted earlier, the last thing UBL saw was a SEAL doing his job.
Thank you, Kassandra! I’m *feeling* a *little* better now.
Yup. You are a wise woman, eCAHN.
The death of UBL has many benefits for this administration. First is that they can use this to reap both political and financial gains wherein the Republicans have to basically eat crow. Secondly, this is extremely embarassing for Pakistan because only a few days ago it was reported that Pakistan was trying to get Afghanistan government to kick the US out. The administration can now use this leverage to say to Afghans we can protect you. Thirdly, the Pakistanis now how to let the US operate with near impunity within their country because we can always say that you are hiding more terrorist just like you hid Osama bin Laden and I am pretty sure this will help strenghten the US puppet Zadari who will probably try to replace some of the military and intelligence leaders. Finally, this will most certainly give the administration the political cover to take out or threaten to take out any foreign leader and they will have popular public support to do so.
“Closure is denial.”
Beautiful, Mary. That’s gonna be my new shorthand. Says it all.
Meaning? Pretty much every time they execute a murderer on death row-the survivors don’t feel joy. They feel empty. It doesn’t bring anyone back. Are the towers going to rise magically from the ashes? Are we going to leave Afganistan? Are we going to close Guantanamo now and become a nation of law? (more unlikely than ever since I learned some info on the supposed whereabouts of Bin Laden came from there)
There were fireworks I heard here in suburbia. I wanted to weep. We learn nothing we achieve nothing. The wars continue. As do our souls being parties to torture and murder that is still going on. Personally I found that gleam in Obama’s eyes sickening. He achieved the holy grail. He has his precious four more years now. Can’t wait to see what he does with them. More weeping shall ensue. Bookmark this post.