I admitted to a little surprise with how quickly leading Democrats pounced on the idea that the killing of Osama bin Laden should lead to a reexamining of the war in Afghanistan and an accelerated withdrawal. But I think I’ve figured it out. You have a lot of low-information voters and constituents who check in on politics very sparingly. They heard about the bin Laden killing, and they naturally saw his presence in the region as the reason for our war in Afghanistan. That changed quite a while ago, but not to the low-information voters. So in addition to those who are just fatigued by war, you have this whole new group of people who don’t understand why we would continue to fight if the mission has been accomplished. There’s a credibility gap there that can be exploited.
And antiwar Democrats plan to use the fact to their advantage:
Anti-war members have one advantage, and it’s a considerable one. The public is with them. Last month, a Pew Research Poll found that only 44 percent of Americans wanted troops to stay in Afghanistan “until the situation has stabilized.” Fifty percent of Americans disagreed. Three years ago, when Obama was campaigning for an Afghan surge, the numbers were 61 and 32. Around the same time, a Washington Post/ABC News Poll had 64 percent of voters saying the war was “not worth fighting.” That was the highest the number had ever been.
There is no candy-coating it: Support for the war has fallen off steadily. After Bin Laden, we’re not likely to see a new wellspring of pro-war feeling. On Monday, war critics beat them to the punch in framing and describing what had happened in Abbottabad.
“Obviously, the operation that was successful did not require the military occupation of a nation,” said Tom Andrews, the former Maine congressman who directs Win Without War. “It required good intelligence. It required the capacity to execute a precision-based operation. And it demonstrates the sort of precision needed to fight terrorism. This is coming on the eve of the decision of the president to do an accelerated transition from Afghanistan.”
The entire counter-insurgency strategy to deny safe havens, over a targeted counter-terrorism strategy, has been made ridiculous by the bin Laden killing.
Obviously the relative success of this strategy depends on the commander-in-chief, and he’s shown no inclination to scale back the effort in Afghanistan (or Iraq, for that matter, with the obvious attempts to extend the US presence). Obama does have the pretext to change his view, and he can do it in July, when an inflection point and some manner of withdrawals were planned anyway.
Public opinion is the wild card here. The President has a re-election to win. A couple members of the Republican field oppose the war, though not yet the favorites. And I doubt the GOP will nominate a war opponent. This still could be a wedge issue for Obama. He just has to use it.
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After Obama decides that keeping troops in Afghanistan is a necessity now that the evil one has been dispatched, his stance on the war on the campaign trail will be, “I agree with my Republican opponents that we need to maintain a presence in the area to preclude a resurgence of Bin Laden’s followers.”
Fuckin’ asshole doesn’t want any of our troops out of anywhere.
I suspect that the U.S. may be considering attacking Pakistan in some form…like go after their nukes or something like that or perhaps some other country. Right before the Iraq war there was an obvious increase in military helicopter and large military airplane activity where I live (which is on a flight path for them). In the last two weeks or so, there has been such an increase again. Just speculation from what I’m observing…especially because of these recent events. No, they are not “black” helicopters..;) Probably doesn’t mean anything.
Check out this op-ed by Utah Congressman (R) Jason Chaffetz. When even Utah Republicans want out, it’s time to end the war:
My snap-judgement prediction is that the kerfuffle about Pakistan/ISI protecting UBL will be used to provide an impetus to stay.
That’s what I’m talkin’ about…
I smell more war and other war.
The American satraps of Afghanistan and Iraq, who in their right mind believes we are leaving anytime soon?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082201670.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Embassy,_Baghdad
Remember when Pakistan blocked US supply access to Pakistan? Pakistan is strategically necessary to the US..I think they are in the crosshairs. Beware of China…
This isn’t about OBL, but I don’t think it is unrelated:
In a letter to Gregoire, Washington state’s two U.S. attorneys warned that even state employees could be subject to prosecution for their role in marijuana regulation. The letter does not specify how that would happen, but the implication is that state workers who are involved in approving and regulating the sale of an illegal drug are committing a crime.
No state workers have been charged federally for regulating medical marijuana laws, and legal experts say such a move would be extraordinary — if not unprecedented in recent history. Gregoire said she didn’t want to take the chance, arguing that it would be irresponsible for her to leave her workers vulnerable.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_medical_marijuana_feds
The US Attorneys who are doing this are both Obama appointees. So now the Obama administration – without the possibility of blaming Bush holdovers doing a rogue action – are threatening state employees for carrying out state laws. Expect thuggish administrations to act like thugs both abroad and at home.
But they’re already threatening US with reprisals for “killing” the dead man. Wait for it, I say. They’ll ramp up to keep their corporate wars.
I’m not worried about China, they’ve already bought most of our homes and land. That war was won without a shot fired.
LOL
But only own the “loans”…when the dollar dumps or we go bankrupt officially..they are left holding the bag. That’s when the shizzola hits the fan. Plus, it’s all about oil for the future..The Chinese are not really interested in our real estate. JMHO
“So in addition to those who are just fatigued by war, you have this whole new group of people who don’t understand why we would continue to fight if the mission has been accomplished. There’s a credibility gap there that can be exploited.”
This is a Faustian bargain. In other words, we’ll just say yes to the barely patched together scenario in Abbottown as a way of saving face and pursuing the withdrawal of forces? Win-win for the Obama team as certainly this will forge a cleft between the diminishing numbers of folk who remember when the rule of law was the rule of law and justice meant trials and those who will just go along to get along.
Sure, if you don’t believe in real truth, real justice, pride in country and the traditions thereof, go ahead, buy into the charade.
We can urge the end of these disastrous expenditures of human treasure without resorting to wink-wink.
Check to see whether the Afghan pipeline is still on for building. That will determine how long we will stay and where. No other reason exists (OBL) or is being addressed (women’s rights), that have been raised as justifications before. Observe we haven’t really left Iraq (and are getting more mortar fire in the FOBs now) even as long as it has been since Saddam was lynched to silence him.
Can’t end the war. The economy, limping as it is, depends on a continued–maybe even increased–expenditure in “defense”: people, materials, equipment, munitions. We end the war(s) and we have major additional pressure on GDP, stock prices, unemployment, even oil.
I see the admin finding another reason–or sixteen–to stay the course.
Make Love F#ck War – Moby & Public Enemy (video)
Petition to bring the troop home now!
BraveNewFilms.Org: Rethink Afghanistan
RootsAction.Org: Bin Laden’s Death: Time to Rein in Empire
Do the math.
Obama has upped the annual AfPak War cost to $120B.
That’s $4K per capita in Afghanistan, which is 4X per capita GDP ($1K).
We could double their economy at half the cost and get out besides.
Unfortunately: yes.
One consequence of stopping the Warz without end is that there will be higher, not lower, unemployment due to MIC contractors & workers losing jobs without the War cash-cow. Of course, IF our so-called leaders came up with some public works programs at home, then jobs & industry could saved & we all benefit.
Oooops, there I go being all sanctimoniously leftist & socialism-y and practical & rational again… can’t have that!
True that.
So here’s the thing, and I don’t know why our political “leadership” can’t find the backbone to propose it and drive it through:
End the Warz (love that spelling!)
Create a ten-year plan of infrastructure renewal, providing huge numbers of construction jobs here-and-now, in every area. Bridges, tunnels, buildings, roads; it all needs renewal.
Create a ten-year plan to put photovoltaics on every rooftop in America. We might only hit 60% in ten years, but think what that would do to generate jobs and income in domestic manufacturing plants (where all solar panels will have to be sourced from), installation, and related.
Create a national network of wind farms, all turbines and towers sourced from domestic plants.
Build a national high-efficiency smart grid to transport electric power.
Create an incentive program with the goal of 50% of the total fleet being hybrid within ten years, sourcing from domestic high-efficiency battery plants. That would save huge amounts of oil and provide lots of excellent jobs in middle America.
And so on. There’s plenty more. Planting trees. Creating rooftop and backyard gardens. The list is endless.
Very hippie, but it would WORK. And change our entire country for the better, providing jobs, careers, purpose, and direction.
OK, climbing off my soapbox. And I know I’m late to the thread and few will read this, but what the hell.
I like your ideas. And here’s another for you to consider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4L18zOEYI
(I’m usually the one who gets to turn out the lights in epu-land, so nice to meet you, marksb.)
I’m surprised that Obama hasn’t already capitalized on his Codpiece Moment to slip some US ground troops into his Libyan quagmire. If he had done it yesterday, who would even have noticed?
He’ll never have a better opportunity. Haven’t we just proved that our military can accomplish anything it sets out to?
Leave Afghanistan now that bin Laden is dead?
Help reduce the deficit? Check.
Right thing to do? Check.
Politically popular? Check.
Obama is going to negotiate with Republicans? Uh-oh.
I think this explanation is a major reason so many people were cheering and out in the streets celebrating Sunday night.
Especially young people – been hearing and reading interviews with young folks who were in grade school on 9/11, college now….one parent said he hadn’t realized how deeply affected his daughter was until she called him Sun. night to cheer OBL’s death (that might have been a poster here at fdl).
The kids seem to have deeply internalized the threat and personalized it in OBL, thus the catharsis of hearing he’s dead, and the leap to “the war is over!”, leading to young people behaving as if their college had won something big.
Embarrassing reaction, but on reflection, understandable.
Similar for low-information adults, I think.
Now, can we please use it?
Well said, SD.
DD hits the nail on it, too.
Dems jumping in to end the Afghan
war to score points with low
info voters.
My senitments as well.
Not only do they know damn well it’ll
never happen, they’ll be standing in
line to support future
war funding legislation.