I don’t know if we can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt Pakistani complicity in the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden or the attack on the compound, though I have my suspicions. But it will be interesting to see how that affects the Afghanistan war. Pakistan wants to be a player in any peace deal involving Hamid Karzai and the Afghan Taliban. I don’t know if whatever happened on bin Laden facilitates that. What I do know is that his death has increased calls for drawdown from US progressives.
The leaders of a House liberal caucus pressed President Obama on Wednesday to approve a “significant drawdown” of U.S. troops from Afghanistan this summer now that Osama bin Laden’s been killed.
Six top members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, including its co-chairmen, Reps. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) and Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), urged the president to use the successful assault against bin Laden in Pakistan as a pretext for hefty cuts to the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan.
“You acted decisively in your efforts to capture the mastermind behind those tragic events and we commend your calls for national and global solidarity as we acknowledge the world is safer for his absence,” the lawmakers wrote. “It is our hope that you can similarly unifY the nation by bringing our troops home and ending America’s longest war in history- a position supported by an overwhelming majority of the American people.”
You could envision some scenario where a regional deal gets inked with the pressure of Al Qaeda out of the picture, opening the door for withdrawal. I don’t think that will happen so quickly. As Jonathan Landay speculates, this could change the strategy – a de-emphasizing of Al Qaeda as a casus belli for the war and an increase in emphasis on the home-grown insurgency – but not necessarily a change in force size. But one lawmaker is being pretty bold in saying that the costs are no longer justified – Republican Sen. Richard Lugar.
“Clearly it would not be in our national security interest to have the Taliban take over the government or have Afghanistan reestablished as a terrorist safe haven,” Lugar said in a Tuesday statement. “But the President has not offered a vision of what success in Afghanistan would entail or how progress toward success would be measured.”
Lugar added that, with only 100 Al Qaeda remaining in Afghanistan, the country “does not carry a strategic value that justifies 100,000 American troops and a $100 billion per year cost, especially given current fiscal restraints.” Plus, the very fact of the raid inside Pakistan shows that no safe haven is truly safe, nor do we have no tools we’re willing to use to deal with the prospect of a safe haven, even if we aren’t holding the country in question under occupation. We obviously have no problem responding to terrorists at any time and any place.
We’ll have to see how this plays out over a number of months. But I would not be surprised to see a gradual shift in priorities away from Afghanistan. With public attention at a high level, now would be a good time to start that.




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Oh Lugar, you sanctimonious purist. Stop being logical.
He must not have any MIC donors…
Thanks for the post, DDay. I hope our country takes up the call to bring our troops home. There was no reason for them to be there before, there’s certainly no reason for it now.
The vocabulary rationalizing the Afghan war long ago changed to ‘getting the Taliban.’ So getting OBL will have no influence in reducing the war there.
Point well taken. Isn’t Team USA in Afghanistan now for the “sake” of Afghani women? Wasn’t W opining about that just recently?
Osama bin Laden? Who dat? Who cares?
And if the Taliban were to be eradicated, the justification would be winning the peace⢠or some other copyrighted MIC talking point. As long as the MIC is making money, there we will stay. They rule our world.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
It seems to me that Senator Lugar has provided an opening to create a “bipartisan” coalition that could bring real pressure to bear on ObamaRahma to begin with an immediate draw down and a recommitment to the timetable for both Iraq and Afghanistan laid down in 2009. The politics are settin up really well for this and if you combine that with the political priorities of the economy, jobs, taxes and the need for real economic stimulus, you have the conditions for a rivival of the “New Deal” spirit that ruled in the first 6-9 months of 2009.
And this is where communities like FDL come in – helping to organize at the grass roots in states like Wisconsin that are struggling for their political lives around the issues of the war(s), jobs and economic democracy. FDL like MoveOn could be a catalist for local progressives to get candidates elected that run on these issues and could provide organizing and cover for insurrections within BOTH established political parties in time for the primaries next year.
The elements are there right now for a real “bi-partisan” push to wind down the wars and shore up the democracy movements not only in the Middle East but right here at home.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, CHANGE YOU CAN BE PART OF!!!
I think the lil wimmin thingy petered out years ago, since it’s definitely the case that war is worse for women that just about any alternative.
The Taliban thing, as I understand it, is a Pashtun nationalism thing. The Pashtuns, a plurality of the Afghan pop (30%?) and split (on purpose) by the Durrand line bet Af & Pak, are underrepresented in Af govt, since the U.S. invaded with the No. Alliance, Tajiks.
Since the word Taliban is easier for the U.S. to demagogue than Pashtun, and since the Taliban hosted AQ, the U.S. argument is that it has to defeat the Taliban otherwise AQ will come back.
Whereas from the Pashtun’s POV, they just want foreign powers out of their country so they can fight whoever’s left and gain the political power they should have courtesy of their numbers.
When not planning attacks, bin Laden would send his courier to the Islamabad WalMart for Coors & Doritos… ;^)
– Balkingpoints / www
From all I hear on antiwar.com, the U.S. will be forced by the Iraqis to leave, for their internal political reasons. (Short version: Maliki needs Muqtada al Sadr and he wants U.S. out.)
Rationale for U.S. in Afghan in my 6, so that continues.
However, with U.S. troops, aka potential Iranian hostages, out of Iraq, next U.S. military action could well be against Iran.
What, there’s no delivery services in Abbottabad, or was OBL just a bad tipper.
Anybody watch Frontline last night? They did a report on “AQ”….just a bunch of young men, running around in the middle of nowhere with guns on cheap mopeds, killing each other for petty reasons..Just like West Side Story or any other gang mentality thugs. These guys would be as capable of executing a major attack as any local boondock loser. Not.
We go to war with trillions of $ and precious lives to fight against those few idiots???? Gimme a break. Furthermore…We are supposed to fear them. Fuck them! The gangs operating in cities all over this country are no different…in fact, they are probably worse. Just consider what’s going on in Mexico.
Get out of the Middle East Now.
Oh wait…then we’ll wreck the economy..or our honor…kiss my fat butt.
Given that our fearless leader doesn’t give a good holy damn about what the people of the United States think about a foreign policy whose implementation consists of pointing guns at anything that doesn’t move or have a US flag on it, I find it quite unlikely Obama will do anything that we approve of anytime soon.
Troops out of Afghanipak? Fuck no. Leaving isn’t even on the table, and get used to it.
Citizen eCAHNomics:
I usually defer to your expertise and solid reasoning on politics and economics but on this I think you are a bit jaded and might be lettin’ your frustrations over the last 10 years cloud your thinkin’. First of all, this country would explode if we even started to beat the drums for war with Iran in a fuckin election year and Obama doesn’t gain re-election on war expansion. You must remember how shallow the “support” for the existing wars and occupations has been since the beginning and now with the economic costs bearing down on all factions of the electorate there is just not any stomach or political will for another one.
No Citizen eCAHN, Obama can’t run on war expansion, all he can hope to do is buy off some of the players (like Petraeus) with positions in the “new” post-war imperial hierarchy. We can end this thing AND get some economic change if we organize our politics right at the local level in states that matter.
Just to add.
Simply look at the recent moves. Panetta to Defense? Petraeus to CIA? Not to mention the others still there, Brennan, Clinton. These are not agents for changing the status quo.
There isn’t ANYONE in the power structure that is talking turkey about getting the hell out.
O just started another war against the Muslims less than a month ago and no one said boo.
With respect, that dog doesn’t hunt any more.
If you think local political pressure is going to make any difference, you’re living in the past.
The United States is no longer a functioning democracy. And momentum is carrying it further from it each and every day.
Our electorate has served as lemmings for the two-party flacks and the PTB molds public opinion on war, taxes, jobs to their advantage. Until and unless that changes, evidence for which is severely lacking, things are only going to get worse.
Sign me 100% cynic since Obama’s election. I have no faith in anything except the power of the almighty dollar, and even that is getting questionable.
The navy seal team executed their order. The plan was to end the talking points for terrorists propaganda. Mission accomplished like or not. A terrorist master mind with assests was eliminated from the national defense puzzle. MIC cannot support these occupations from manpower or asset perspective. The small OPS approach is cheap and effective by comparasion. That is where deficit reduction can be found as well.
Peace seems an elusive bird, but worth investing in as a stitch in time saves nine.
Our diplomatic and aid policy should come with peaceful strings. Emperor Ashoka established a rule of law based on non harming. Violence was not tolerated or utilised. Peace Now
The Isreali influence for ME occupation is powering that status quo.
Remember the sweet ole days when the U.S. could topple a regime, install its puppet, with just a couple of tens of millions & a CIA ops team?
Now the U.S. has to send in the whole U.S. military, engage in (faux) national building, at the cost of trillions, and still not have power in the other country.
Wonder why? Sending the whole asset with 800 bases seems a militarization of American society. Yet no draft. Just throw money.
Local pops don’t care about U.S. anymore, one way or the other.
The U.S. had much more influence before the Soviet Union destructed bc if the other country wasn’t in the U.S. sphere, it would be in the Soviet sphere, which would be worse. So local elites went along with U.S.
Citizen ackack:
Sigh…I’ll go right out and tell the thousands of folks who are workin the streets and neighborhoods to get their politics (and their jobs) back here in Wisconsin that we are no longer a functioning democracy and they should jest shut up and bend over. No Citizen ackack, the only way we get change is for people to make it themselves and if you think that local victories in places like Wisconsin can’t have tremendous power to effect national politics and actions then you’re the dog that don’t hunt.
“get their politics (and their jobs) back here in Wisconsin that we are no longer a functioning democracy and they should jest shut up and bend over. ”
Yes, you should. Better than false hope.
Shit’s still happening, whether you like it or not.
Last I checked the people in charge had very few votes, but most of the money. You how cheap it is to buy a congressman? For between $5 and $10k, they’ll do almost anything you want. That is not democracy.
The war mongers say even though Osama is now gone, we need to waste lots more money in Afghan. in order to keep a check on the Afghan-Paki border bc Paki has nukes. Russia, China and all European nations are much closer to Paki’s nukes than we are. They don’t react as if there is a huge nuke concern. Those nations aren’t spending billions of dollars and lots of young lives a month in Afghan. War mongers and US military are full of
sh!t. Get out of Afghan now and bring the peace dividends to our roads, schools and hurting state and local governments. BS on the fake, useless wars, bribes in the form of foreign aid and all the useless nation building abroad. Time for some well needed protectionism and time to replenish our nation. Some military people who like to work with toys paid for by US tax payers may have to find other forms of employment and benefits with the help of state governors like Walker and Kasick.
If Obama were smart (and of course… well, you know) he’d have waited one day – exactly 24 hours – after announcing bin Laden’s death and then ordered the immediate withdrawl of troops from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq.
But there’s that pesky oil thing…
Yup, declare victory, pin some medals on the generals and bring the troops home.
If the worlds oil wells want liberty, let them be the ones that fight for it.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus, what a joke they are! No other Congressional group is as ineffective. El Rahmbo used to use them as a dart board, nicknamed them “f**ing retards.”
In any case, Obama is the least likely person to confront the CIA-Pentagon Junta. Doesn’t want to end up like JFK.