Today begins the bipartisan, bicameral deficit reduction talks led by Joe Biden. Being a semi-public meeting, it’s a sure bet that nothing will happen at it. But if the Washington Post got this right, then Republicans have already made a major concession to start the negotiation:
Senior Republicans conceded Wednesday that a deal is unlikely on a contentious plan to overhaul Medicare and offered to open budget talks with the White House by focusing on areas where both parties can agree, such as cutting farm subsidies.
On the eve of debt-reduction talks led by Vice President Biden, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (Va.) said Republicans remain convinced that reining in federal retirement programs is the key to stabilizing the nation’s finances over the long term. But he said Republicans recognize they may need to look elsewhere to achieve consensus after President Obama “excoriated us” for a proposal to privatize Medicare.
That search could start, Cantor said, with a list of GOP proposals that would save $715 billion over the next decade by ending payments to wealthy farmers, limiting lawsuits against doctors, and expanding government auctions of broadcast spectrum to telecommunications companies, among other items.
Um, Republicans aren’t dropping their Medicare phase-out plan because Obama was mean to them. They’re dropping it because it’s deeply unpopular and their constituents gave them an earful about it over the past two weeks. I’m sure this was preceded by freshman Republicans pleading with the leadership to stop the suicide mission. And no doubt Wall Street looking over the shoulder of the House GOP loomed large.
By the way, if Cantor thinks that Democrats and their allies will suddenly forgive and forget about Republicans and their vote to, yes, end Medicare, he’d better not watch TV in October 2012.
Now, Cantor is trying to take back the story. But both the story and his insistence that he’s still with Paul Ryan can be consistent. Cantor will press for the Ryan budget but the Medicare pieces won’t be a deal-breaker. I don’t know why he felt the need to pre-negotiate, but it’s a common Washington occurrence.
You can see with the examples above that the spending cuts may come in some areas of common ground. Slashing Big Ag subsidies makes sense, and according to Politico Republicans will set a “target” for cutting Big Oil subsidies, suggesting that Democrats won that debate as well. Now, my preference would be to see that money channeled into direct job creation (we’ll get there in a future post), but if you’re going to cut, that’s certainly fat that can be trimmed.
As for what else will come out of a debt limit deal, it looks to have caps and triggers as its major parts.
In addition to raising the debt ceiling from its current limit of $14.3 trillion, lawmakers would include legislative language in the bill that called for caps on government spending in over the next one or two years. The level at which that cap would be set is unclear and is likely to be a major fault line during discussions. In addition, lawmakers will include a debt failsafe “trigger” that would kick in once those caps expire. Such a policy — which would require that the ratio of debt-to-GDP be reduced to a certain level if Congress cannot stabilize it by the end of the decade — could take several forms. Democrats, however, will insist that revenue raisers or adjustments to the tax code be part of the deal.
“That’s the ball game,” one top Democratic aide said of ensuring that tax policy be part of the final arrangement to raise the debt ceiling.
“[T]hey want to make it a trigger that allows for revenue,” added another Democratic Senate aide. “But this arrangement wouldn’t preclude them from saying they will cap spending for, say, 2012. It would allow them to say here is your spending.”
This is a hybrid spending/deficit cap that puts off the real questions – like where to cut if the deficit goes above the cap – to a future Congress. But if Washington excels at anything, it’s how to design triggers that never trigger. And if this story is correct that the deal would seek to lower the deficit to 3% of GDP in 2015, then as Bill McBride says it’s a nothingburger.
I find this amusing. First the current CBO projection shows the deficit at 3% of GDP in 2015 – so this is a big yawn, plus a future congress can change the rules. Of course the 3% includes the expiration of the tax cuts at the end of 2012, but that just means another battle after the election. (Note: the tax cuts were really “tax shifts” since they shifted the burden to future taxpayers).
It looks like the debt limit will be a light sashay, with the real issues put off to the 2012 budget and beyond. Of course, this remains the wrong conversation to be having.





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I had heard Medicaid may now be the focus; a bigger debt. Also more vulnerable people, I think.
Always an iffy proposition.
Eric Cantor is a lying sack of crap. Discuss.
No discussion needed. Evident fact.
Send in the Biden!!!!
Thanks for the post DDay.
The Regressive Party ran away from the American people decades ago.
What to do with a sack of shit:
1. Place on porch of mean old man down the street.
2. Set on fire and ring doorbell.
3. Stand in yard, point and laugh.
I think your observation about Cantor is far too mild. I think he is nothing but a punk. Oh, and not very bright.
And the Vichycrats weren’t far behind.
x2
please pardon, DDay, but some completely unsolicited OT from Indiana (the northern-most Southern State):
Mitch Daniels is almost certainly running for President (if his wife decides to ok it)….
Mike Pence announced today that he is running for IN Governor…
and last but not least, Donald M*********ing Trump is going to drive the pace car for the Indianapolis 500.
Why the hell am I still here?
x3
hard to give props to Chris Matthews, but he *did* reduce Cantor to flop sweat and mumbles – oh about a year ago (?) on Hardballs.
‘Course that’s really not a large accomplishment, as I believe that most anyone could do this.
Hey, stranger
Trump’s pace car
Since raising the debt ceiling is unpopular, the mine field that the Democrats will step in is to have another vote to raise the debt ceiling just before the election. Methinks that the Republicans will extend the debt ceiling by $1.5-2 billion, which would put default at the next election’s doorstep.
I had not heard about the Indy 500 pace car driver. Guess it’s only F1 for me from now on.
heh.
that car is *not* gonna hold all The Donald’s entourage….
Spot on! They seem to be in a race to the bottom with the Regressives.
There’s been some drama around the pace car thing. Some rumblings of complaint from individuals involved with the decision. Folks who are actually sane and don’t want to reward an asshat for birtherism nonsense.
Being all about money, though, the Indy 500 will let Trump drive.
A bit off topic but I ran into an example of government competence just now. Since my birthday is this month, I had to renew my driver’s license so I went online to find the nearest location and viola! I was able to renew online in about five minutes. They’ll mail it to me in 20-45 days, meanwhile I use the printed confirmation. Same lame ass 6 year old picture though. :-/
I think they’re currently all rolling around on the bottom with eachother. The Vichycrats only seem to be slightly behind in the metaphorical race there because we catch them at the moments where they are on top of the dog pile.
Well, if he doesn’t fuckin’ crash the thing the only thing folks will have to miss on teebee is the start. I just can’t imagine The Donald getting the pace car up to speed. Scare the wimpy ass motherfucker to death, it would.
I think they only pace at 65mph at Indy.
Only thing that would make me watch? If he let his hair drive.
Being all about money, though, the Indy 500 will let Trump drive.
maybe not….
Curt Cavin’s Twitter from about 12 minutes ago says he’s backing out.
(Curt Cavin is the local racing writer for the Indy Star)
Cantor is a great example of what the Regressives have become: A beauty contest that only the best looking and wingnuttiest can win. Good hair: check! Loves the rich: check! Hates equality: check! Caucasian: check! Hypocrite: check!
Sheeeeeeeit, my ol’ 68 VW could beat that in the quarter mile.
Hip glasses: check!
At least the Regressives can read a poll, something the Vichycrats have never learned how to do.
So much for conviction of your principles…meaning the action to eliminate or change Medicare/Medicaid is a non-starter because their constituents will freak out. Well they did and the Republicans didn’t even last a few weeks of brow-beating by their constituents. The Democrats on the otherhand withstood the kabuki-theatre backlash (because it was organized rather than organic public backlash) and pressed forward with their convictions.
In this political climate, if you want anything accomplished, hire a Democrat. Otherwise, you will get what the Republicans have delivered over the past decade…wars, debt, uncontrolled spending, attack on workers and unions, attacks on women, a floundering economy, record setting disparity between the poor and rich, corporate rule of everything…and on and on and on. Why would anyone vote for a Republican if you cared about the well being of the country. Which proves Republicans don’t care about the country…they only care about money for the rich and corporations.
LMAO! What universe did that happen in?
Holy shit, we musta survived a collision of membranes.
Right? I guess Brian Greene was right.
Good thing we have copy editors around. Sheesh.
Whatever the Dems believe in, and I don’t know any more, they certainly are not willing to fight for principles.
Have you seen this?
Yep. So tired of people telling me how much better the Vichycrats are. If they were as good as they are claimed to be, I wouldn’t call them Vichycrats.
One of the GOP triggers should be when military spending is increased or when more money is poured into foreign aid or any other security. A trigger for bailing out any banking or financial institution needs to be added.
Of course I’ve seen that but thanks for thinking of me. :)
I must be missing something–how does “limiting lawsuits against doctors” do anything about federal spending?
It doesn’t, anymore than providing vouchers in place of medicare saves anybody money
Why can’t the Democrats offer a single payer as their position as they go into meeting to “compromise”?
Indeed single payer saves money – and sets the stage foe prospective national basic care budgets – thereby controlling health care inflation.
The program could be funded by combining current sources of government health spending (Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) into a single fund with modest new taxes, such as a small payroll tax or earmarked income taxes. While taxes will increase for individual citizens, the increase will be offset by reductions in premiums and out-of-pocket spending. Employees may also receive higher wages from employers, who will no longer have to pay as much for health benefits as part of employee compensation (i.e. instead of paying employees in health benefits, employers will pay higher wages).
http://www.amsa.org/AMSA/Libraries/Committee_Docs/SinglePayer101.sflb.ashx
From at least Hugh Everett in 1957, to many a sci-fi plot before that, to John Bell in the 60′s this has been the only way to make QM “logical” – if logical means tossing Occam’s razor in favor of a solution that is not all that predictive. /s
This was hot when I was coming through (Bell published while I was at MIT) – and one of the reasons I ran to math. Folks will not admit QM may not be quite true, so we get attempts to make it logical which are less or just not testable – in effect a religious demand for faith.
Cute that “many universes” gets a http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/audio/2011/mar/21/science-weekly-podcast-brian-greene-tim-jackson write up as if it was new! :-)