We’re supposed to believe that Pakistan is hopping mad over the violation of their sovereignty in the killing of Osama bin Laden (and yes, he’s still dead). They strenuously objected and said that the raid shouldn’t become a precedent.
Mm-hm.
Less than a week later, here was the response to that from the US government.
At least eight people have been killed in a US drone strike in the troubled Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan, officials have said.
It is the first such attack since US commandos killed al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in a fortified compound in the north-western town of Abbottabad.
The raid on Monday heightened tensions between Islamabad and Washington.
The Pakistanis give tacit approval to drone strikes, although in recent weeks they have pressed the United States to limit the program. But they’re so upset about the bin Laden raid that … strike that, it’s business as usual. If Pakistan were legitimately angered by infringements on their sovereignty they wouldn’t let drones attack within four days of the raid.
Meanwhile, the drones have expanded their battlefield to Yemen:
The U.S. military used a drone to strike Thursday at an al-Qaeda target in Yemen, the first such U.S. attack using unmanned aircraft in that country since 2002, according to U.S. and Yemeni officials.
Two al-Qaeda operatives were killed in the attack in the remote, mountainous Yemeni governorate of Shabwa early Thursday, a Yemeni security official said.
I’m a little more surprised by this one because of the unrest in Yemen and the unclear state of the government. I was under the impression that counter-terrorism efforts in Yemen were shut down as a result, which would mean that targeting and intelligence gathering would be difficult to impossible. In addition, it seems pretty volatile to introduce a killing machine from the sky into the combustible mix in Yemen, where the endgame for President Saleh remains unknown.
The larger point is that trifling about legality of raids on bin Laden when the US routinely carries out assassinations from unmanned planes seems a little misplaced.



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On your latter point about ‘trifling’, Mr. Dayen, I would comment that front and center for me, as I have said many times, was the implementation of the first drone attack under Obama’s watch, four days after he assumed the presidency.
I consider the assassination of Bin Laden to be a high profile incident of the same nature – that we have assumed the role of judge, jury, executioner – ‘we’ being this administration in the name of the people. I remember a heading used to be on the old PBS Bill Moyers Now site when Bush invaded Iraq – “Not in our name”. That is what the ‘trifling’ is all about.
“Meanwhile, the drones have extended their battlefeld …”
Hmmm, David, seriously …?
If the drones are doing this “extending” of their own violition, by their own self-determination, then calling corporations “people” has adversely affected the savvy technology, the entire “artificial intelleigence” population (who toil unnoticed, and unappreciated, beneath our awareness) obviously have come to imagine themselves capable of original thought … and thereby possessing certain “rights”. We’re gonna end up with snotty answering machines, and gas-pumps that think the’re Dillinger.
Or, perhaps, it is merely a case of drone drift, which is perfectly understandable, since people HAVE been told that the battlefield is “everywhere”?
And, for a while, it really doesn’t matter “where” the “next” drone “event” occurs, because there will be more drones looking forward …who will do what they’re told.
DW
As war-via-drone drones on, the leaving of Iraq gets more and more expensive.
As Military Leaves Iraq, U.S. Doles out Billions to Mercenaries LINK.
Ackerman also has an article on this.
Parade rainer.
OilyBomber bombs again! Nice going Barry Cocaine.
I’m waiting for the robot soldiers like the DOD has been promising. The US is one sick-assed country.
In which the mechanism continues its self-revelation.
Perhaps, the Pakistani government, being essentially held hostage by crazy religous fundies, has actually asked the U.S. to send in the drones?
Of course, they couldn’t out-right say that, but I also have a hard time believing the Pakistani Air Force is in much danger from ground attack drones.
Just guessing tho.
hi juliania,
i’ve been looking for you here since art21 as well as our entire history got itself expunged. i checked back right after the nz earthquake. derf and i hope your family is doing a-okay.
you make good points in this post to which i respond. quid pro quo, so who say whoa?
you know who holly be, right?
Cue Chevy Chase and Garrett Morris (at the 11 second mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESyTVnxxrPc
Pakistan is in the crosshairs. Follow the bouncing ball:
http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/prince-bandar-obtains-pakistani-military-support-to-counter-u-s-backed-color-revolution-plans/
Then go to the site that made the maps (there is an icon on the map), you will notice that Negroponte’s wife is on the board..
The CIA is merely exhibiting its free rein — it may have picked the house at random. All these people that are killed have friends and relatives many of whom might seek revenge, so this is a type of terrorist recruitment, a tactic which the U.S. has found useful elsewhere. It (terrorist recruitment) worked really well in Iraq.
I’m sure the Cruise Missile Liberals™ will have no problem with this. After all, it’s Obama doing the slaughtering, not Bush so it’s all good.
There’s nothing O doesn’t like more than
I’ve been tempted to leave a note over at Juan Cole asking him how that Libya thingy is working out for him now. So far have managed just to ignore him.
Seems like there’s still only about 1000 armed rebels (near as anyone can tell; news is pretty spotty), not enough to overthrow Gaddafi, and at least some of them were fighting with AQ in Afghanistan in the good ole days.
The link is pretty funny, though I got tired of listening after about 5 minutes.
Hasn’t anyone in the admin at least had the political sense to claim that the raid was done in response to some of the intelligence gathered from bin Laden’s place?
“The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.”-David Friedman
“When the rich wage war, it’s the poor who die”.-Jean-Paul Sartre
“There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare.”-Sun Tzu
Johnny has been silent on Libya recently — OBL came along as a convenient distraction. Chew on this:
Cole Interview: Bin Laden an Utter Failure
Posted on 05/04/2011
I noticed the silence on Libya over at Cole’s place.
As he has developed feet of clay, I’m no longer interested in his opinions any more. I still scan his blog for factual info, but don’t read anything that contains his judgement, which I now consider suspect.
Putting a face to a program, personalizing it, is essential in waging bureaucratic war over obtaining or denying resources for such programs. As you say, we are fast legitimizing through notoriety our claim that we have the right to kill anyone anywhere in the world whom we unilaterally deem a threat.
As in his adoption of all things CheneyBush, Mr. Obama has taken ad hoc excesses and made them part of the firmament. Congress buries its head in lobbyist-provided sand, leaving its collective arse in the air, and says nothing. The courts rarely challenge the conduct of either.
I suspect Cole is correct that the times had passed bin Laden by, and that that was one reason he was living peacefully so close to major Pakistani military bases. The “leadership” of AQ is diverse and cellular. American efforts were making it harder to organize and to strike at major targets. Just as importantly, homegrown rebellions among Arabic peoples demonstrated a wildly divergent means of effecting change that favors the bazaar, not the palace.
I am not sure, but you definitely said the magic word. I’m here, but not that frequently.
Thanks for asking, family is all okay, and as I remarked during the Fukushima examinations done so well here, New Zealand is so lucky not to have nuclear power.
I do miss the facility of all those discussions now so sadly erased, and the many friends who participated.
I just found out about the new Bin Laden yesterday. (Anwar Awlaki) That’s who they were targeting. And bonus he’s an American citizen! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/06/501364/main20060616.shtml
So that’s why Obama needs all the power to kill citizens, see? He’s just protecting US.
Glenn Greenwald no likey, however, and as he has learned this week from “progressives” he is pro-terrorist because he asks for laws and stuff. Kill everyone in sight and ask questions later is our official foreign policy.
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