John Boehner gave his economic address in Manhattan last night, and as we saw from the excerpts, his list of demands for increasing the debt limit includes:
• Spending cuts of a greater value than the increase in the debt limit. Right now the White House wants a $2 trillion increase, so that translates to $2 trillion in cuts. No time horizon for those cuts was specified, just that they could be over a longer time than it would take to reach the new debt limit.
• Those cuts can come from anywhere but tax hikes, which are “off the table.”
• Deficit caps or targets are not enough, though “program reforms” should be included.
• “That includes honest conversations about how best to preserve Medicare.”
The speech actually started by criticizing Dodd-Frank, but let’s focus on the debt limit parts, because that’s the near-term issue. This is a pretty hard line. You’re talking about a budget deal that slices trillions within 2-3 months, without any tax hikes (cuts of tax expenditures may be allowable – that’s even in the Ryan budget – but Boehner didn’t really say). This is about as maximal a demand as you can get, after Republicans last week appeared to back off and recognize that their Medicare phase-out plan wouldn’t fly. My sense is that Boehner, reacting to the iron law of institutions, is desperately trying to maintain his stature in the GOP, amid rumblings from the Tea Party that he’s a terrible negotiator.
Incidentally, this was the wrong audience for a red-meat speech calling the need to pay America’s debts already incurred “the arrogance of power”:
The Speaker’s stand drew little reaction from the banquet hall of Wall Street executives, who offered polite applause at the end of Boehner’s speech but sat in silence through his demands on the debt limit [...]
“I know there are many in this room who are uneasy with this debate,” (Boehner) said. “I understand your concerns.”
Attendees offered a mixed reaction to his presentation, with some saying he did little to allay concerns in the financial community about the debt threshold.
“Disconnected from reality,” one attendee said as he walked briskly out of the ballroom.
“It was predictable,” said Perry Braun, chief investment officer of Wilton Re., a life reinsurance company. “Not that he wasn’t genuine, but I think it was posturing.”
Others quoted understood this as the Speaker taking a strong position in a negotiation, something that you’d never hear from attendees walking out of a speech by, say, President Obama.
Perhaps Boehner’s bluff should be called. He wasn’t willing to be specific about the Ryan plan or Medicare or Social Security (though at the end he did endorse means testing, which I’ll get to later). He really wants the President to put forward those plans to give him some cover. We saw what happened in town halls when Republicans had no cover for cutting Medicare. But I think Boehner is more attentive to his own base, which wants him to posture, rather than the need to get a deal done.
Eventually, the debt limit will be raised, but with Kent Conrad talking about short-term increases, you could see a similar death by a thousand cuts strategy that was successful in the 2011 appropriations fight. Only the numbers would be much bigger here, because Boehner (and actually his Tea Party base) just laid down the marker.




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The Boner plan is as usual take from the poor and middle class and give lavish tax cuts (again) to the Rich and Corporations. Hey the “Little” guy doesn’t contribute to their elections so why should We give them anything. Let them fend for them selves, we really don’t care about them at all.
I really do not understand why Republicans are allowed unilaterally take this off the table without giving something up.
I’m all for cutting offensive “defense budget” by two trillion anytime, other than that shut up. . This war shit seems like a drug, we believe we can’t live without even though it will destroy that which it claims to defend.
Do we have 40 hard ass democratic Senators that will hold out until the tax cuts are repealed?
Do we have 40 hard ass democratic Senators that will hold out until the tax cuts are repealed?
Short answer: no. The over and under is around 10. Capitol Hill Democrats are the Washington Generals of politics.
As you say, Boehner’s trying to execute a tap dance that pleases the Tea Party and other freshmen idiots without causing Wall Street to freak out — and it’s not working. Time to call his bluff.
Oh, and the whole “we can’t tax the rich ‘cuz they give us jobs” line is bull.
Because they know how prone Obama and Capitol Hill Democrats are to make pre-emptive concessions, just as they did on the public option and the Bush tax cuts.
This is all badly played political theatre. Congressman BoneHead has no real choice. But he may try and play chicken with the democrats and the president on it.
His Tea Part base however don’t give a wet slap if the country defaults. It would suite them just fine. But the republican backers on wall street do not share this opinion at all. A default would cause them to quite literally loose their shirts. So for him this is a no win situation.
The democrats should hang tough and not give an inch. But will they ? Probably not.
Yes, call his bluff. It’s time, past time, to call his bluff.
The “public option” was traded away to the Hospital Association, the Bush tax cuts were a gift for Obama’s Wall Street backers. Neither really were concessions to the Republicans, though, they were framed that way.
If this was anything but kabuki, the Democrats would be the ones taking hostages and forcing the Republicans to make concessions.
Tax the bastards at 90% again for dedicated infastructure improvements only; roads, bridges, high speed trains, high speed internet ect. and let’s see which system creates more jobs.
They had ten years to prove cutting taxes is a FAILURE and they have , time for a cool change for the people. Let’s try ten years of high taxes like the 50′s.
Trinkle down means being pissed on by the rich, that’s all.
Let me first say that I believe in comprehensive tax reform, OK? But put that to the side for a minute.
Most economists agree that we cannot keep increasing the national debt without catastrophic long-term consequences. So it seems to me to be a bit dangerous to say, “we are going to keep passing budgets that eclipse the debt cap in less than a year” without some agreement on making sure we are addressing the deficit. Doesn’t anyone have the balls to address this issue?
Ok, now, let the “troll” comments begin.
Since greedy bastard Alan Simpson only thinks about himself and his gazillion$$, maybe we here at FDL could take up a collection to have Simpson flip the bird at Agent Orange? (not exactly snark)
Now THAT’s an Act in the Kabuki Show (which is all this is) that I *might* be induced to pay to watch! (again, not exactly snark).
At least it would be highly entertaining… like nasty greedy Mr. Burns flipping off Homer Simpson sporting a really bad manufactured orange tan! DOH!!!!
It is hard to fathom the magnitude of the numbers involved, for both people on the left and the right. Some people on the right tend to think that one can cut things like foreign aid and that will balance the budget. Similarly, some people on the left tend to think that one can cut just the defense budget, and/or raise taxes on the rich, and that will balance the budget. Neither is correct.
Here is one way to attempt to visualize the fiscal disaster that awaits us. If the government confiscated the total wealth of the Forbes 400 – that means not only taxing them at 100%, but taking every thing that they own as well – that figure would – just barely – cover only THIS YEAR’S deficit. Small, simplistic solutions like “cutting the defense budget” are not going to do the job. We need big, bold change in order to right our financial ship.
see 3
The military madmen a destroying the country morally and financially !
Why?
Offensive defense has near bankrupted us.
Where was the “we going broke” talk when taxes were 90% back in the fifties ? There wasn’t any or the unmitigated greed that passes for americanism these days.
Names and links to these economists you refer to please.
See the fact that the annual Defense budget is on the order of $900 B. So you would BARELY cut the annual deficit in half if you got rid of every penny.
See 14 above – he is right on the money.
Let’s get off the class envy bandwagon here and start coming up with real ways to solve ths crisis.
suthrnluvr is right – the tipping point appears to be somewhere in the neighborhood of a debt-to-GDP ratio of 90%. At this point investors start getting too nervous to buy our bonds, the interest rates go through the roof, and we become financially insolvent. The reason appears to be due to a lack of faith that economic growth alone will reduce the debt. We got out of debt trouble in the past because we had strong economic growth, or a likely expectation of strong economic growth in the future, so high debt loads could be managed due to swiftly rising GDP. We don’t have that going for us this time around.
How about the Mises Institute or anyone following Austrian economic theory? How about Peter Schiff?
Even the revered Keynesian Paul Krugman has testified before Congress that the ratio of national debt to GDP is reaching dangerous levels.
Troll. Probably paid troll.
That took longer than I thought. For the record, not a troll. Just a concerned citizen.
Cut the defense budget by 75% then damn it, we don’t need or can afford the Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine and it would still be the biggest defense budget on the planet.
The Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine got us into this mess !
OK, then you are still about $1 TRILLION short of balancing the budget.
Where else?
Okay, fine. Then what?
tagteam trolls.
Trinkle“Tinkle down” means being pissed on by the rich, that’s all.There fixed it for ya…
By the way, the US Dept. of Defense employs 2.3 million Military (Active, Reserve, and Guard) and almost 700,000 Civilian. That doesn’t even touch the private sector companies that supply DoD. What do you think will happen to the unemployment rate if you cut spending 75%?
What is trollish about what I’ve written? Honestly, if you think I’m a troll, I’d like to know what I have supposedly done to earn that title.
Keep it cut we didn’t get into this mess in twelve months and it’s dishonest to claim it can be fixed in a year.
Yeah, hate it when we start espousing FACTS, huh?
You disagreed with FDL dogma.
The “D” in FDL actually means “dogma”, not “dog”.
Fine – but we would still have huge deficits and an unsustainable debt load. Cutting the defense budget is not enough. It seems like you want to cut the defense budget for non-fiscal reasons. That is fine but it doesn’t solve the fiscal challenge.
Raise the TAXES on the RICH to 50%! Eliminate the practice of taxing capital gains at 15% and tax them the same as ordinary income and Make ALL corporations pay at least 35% taxes on gross profits. That would fix all the budget problems!!
Personally I don’t give a good God damn about the killers and their suppliers.
So you would rather to engage in mindless murder to keep the unemployment down ?
Nice.
Is defense fiscal or not ?
It’s over 58% of the budget in an honest accounting.
Defense is $900 B a year on a budget of about $3.6 T. So more like 25%. Get a new calculator.
I thought the idea was to grow the economy to increase the revenue stream to the Treasury department? Not make the U.S an even less competitive place to do business. Will do a world of wonder for job creation…..We need to grow the economy not shrink it to get out of this fiscal mess.
What is going on? Why does every comment need moderator approval? What have I said here that is offensive to anyone? I’m trying to have a dialogue and this silliness makes it nearly impossible and destroys the flow of conversation.
New acocunting term? Gross Profits? Define, please.
If Obama’s proposal to raise taxes on the rich only back to Clinton-era levels were enacted, it is estimated that it would bring in only about $54 billion. If you raised taxes on the rich to 50%, the amount of taxes collected wouldn’t increase proportionately, but it would still be on the order of a few hundred billion dollars. Not nearly as much as you think it would.
If you raise the capital gains tax, capital gains tax revenue will decrease because the tax would be easy to avoid. People simply wouldn’t realize their gains. The experience of the 80′s and 90′s demonstrates this.
This would be an absolute job-killer and it is unlikely to raise the revenue that you think it would. Corporate taxes only constitute about 10% of tax revenue anyway.
Alan Simpson wants you off his lawn.
Which means that the Democrats really are an opposition party. Except that we, and not the Republicans, are their opposition.
Nice to skip the energy department , veterans (coming) benefits, interest on the past military mindless murders sprees and other hidden costs.
The Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine costs way more than 25% no matter how you twist it.
Look up “espouse” in a dictionary, please. A fact requires no espousal-only ideas or opinions do. Your “facts” are merely your own opinions-apparently not founded upon knowledge or facts.
Once again this is all nonsense.
The debt limit will be raised; their (Dems & Rethugs) Wall Street overlords will demand it.
And as for real deficit reduction, just as others here have pointed out 200 billion/yr off the Pentagon’s budget wouldn’t even be missed (except by the MIC) and would provide 2 trillion in savings over the next ten years.
Ok, fixed that. Next question?
Facts? I wore black socks yesterday and did not get cancer. Those are both facts. Related? Who can say.
Your “facts” are unsupported and when I asked for links you got snippy instead. Most of what you and your tagteam partner have said is incorrect.
Now I will go back to work.
Mod, you’re modding ME?
I can see where the GOP is going, they are going to raise the debt limit a little ($200 Billion), and attach spending cuts of $200 billion, then in a month when the debt ceiling is reached again they will raise it again and cut a little more. It’s the same game plan they used to get cuts in the budget battle 2 months ago. Eventually President Obama will come out with a plan to raise the debt limit by $2 Trillion and cut spending by $1 trillion, and then the negotiations will begin. . . Note that the $2 trillion will only last 2 years. The debt limit really needs to be raised by $5 trillion, and a debt reduction plan to balance the budget in 8 to 10 years needs to be put in place, or this government will go bankrupt.
Unfunded mandates, outsourcing, unfunded military actions, tax reductions, trade imbalances, mortgage and finance bubble failures-conservatives have driven up the debt as they have driven down revenue; hence bad debt/GCP ratio. Put the von Mises by the curb with the rest of the trash and read Krugman sometime.
What is incorrect about what I’ve written?
Except our deficit for JUST THIS YEAR is only a little under $2 trillion. Cutting the defense budget alone is insufficient to balance the budget.
Go to warresisters.org for another view of the budget.
Yeah, he is. You’re on our turf paultard.
Stop whining and deal with it like a rugged individualist. Either that or you and your puddin’ sock puppet can GTFO.
I’m going to automatically loathe anyone who calls themself southern lover.
Gee I think I should pay off my mortgage this year. I don’t make enough in a year to pay it off and live so I borrowed it.
Where did you complain when the defense budget doubled under bush, something we couldn’t afford (w/ links please) ?
My father called it sins of omission .
Name the years we’ve had a balanced budget before this year.
To be clear, I wasn’t trying to balance the budget, just point out one significant and off limits area that could move the deficit needle in the right direction.
The solution is to shrink the budget gap over time, not eliminate deficit spending in one years time. Job creation would be another good way to move the numbers in the right direction, since most newly hired people will spend just about all of their income between catching up on expenses and paying taxes.
Yes, and when the people lending you the money (think China in the case of the US) decide that you’ve taken on more debt than your income (think GDP or, more corectly, tax revenues) allows, they will 1) stop lending you money, 2) start jacking up your interest rate, and/or 3) lend you money for shorter periods of time.
Now, you can get yourself a second job (raise taxes), get a raise (increase your productivity) or you can cut your expenses (ditto), or you can sell assets (not an option). But at some point, you are in for a world of hurt.
Nice pie chart. What’s your point?
I can’t read it for you, sorry.
The point is that war spending is made to look much smaller than it is through three major devices:
1. Adding the value of the trust funds into the federal budget, even though it’s not government spending money.
2. Hiding military spending in other departments.
3. Not counting interest on debt incurred by past military adventures as military spending.
When all of this is honestly accounted for, the military is almost 50% of the real federal budget (not the phony “unified” federal budget).
Well, Obama does have a pretty strong record of precompromising and then going beyond what a rational negotiator would include to get a deal.
So, why wouldn’t they take things off the table? And also expect them to stay off?
Obama played that game with single payer supporters, btw.
We need to take spending level back to 2008 at least. The spending spree of the last 5 years by both Republicans and Democrats has us on the edge of becoming bankrupt. Domestic spending was increased by over 70% during this period and it has to stop. We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Eventually we’re going to run out of other peoples money, and then what? I’m waiting on ANYONE with the guts to talk straight up to the American people. All I see if fearmongering and BS.