Republicans may cling to this belief that they still want to muck around with Medicare, but it’s not going to happen. For one, their partners in an entire house of Congress don’t want to touch the thing. I suppose they can give means testing a shot, but privatization isn’t happening.
So for any big changes in the safety net, there’s Medicaid, as I said yesterday. The proposed cuts to Medicaid in the House Republican budget, which combined with nullifying the Medicaid expansion in the health care law equals around $1.3 trillion over 10 years, would kick 31-44 million off the insurance rolls, more than the total gains from the Affordable Care Act. And I said yesterday that Medicaid doesn’t have an organized constituency on its behalf. But it doesn’t have to be that way. The same people who routinely defend Medicare, seniors advocates, could and should fight for Medicaid. Because the same individuals are threatened by cuts to Medicaid.
While the largest number of Medicaid recipients are low-income children and adults, who tend to be far less politically potent voices in battles over entitlement programs than older voters, the changes to Medicaid proposed by Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, the House budget chairman, could actually have a more direct impact on older Americans than the Medicare part of his plan.
The House plan would turn Medicaid, which provides health coverage for the poor through a combination of federal and state money, into a block grant program for states. The federal government would give lump sums to states, which in turn would be given more flexibility and independence over use of the money, though the plan does not spell out what the federal requirements would be.
Beginning in 2013, these grants would increase annually at the rate of inflation, with adjustments for population growth, a rate far below that of inflation for health care costs. As a result, states, which have said that they cannot afford to keep up with the program’s costs, are likely to scale back coverage. Such a reduction, critics fear, could have a disproportionate effect on Medicaid spending for nursing home care for the elderly or disabled [...]
“This is a huge deal for the nation’s seniors, and it’s been largely unrecognized,” said Jocelyn Guyer, the co-executive director of the Center for Children and Families at the Georgetown University Health Policy Institute. “Obviously Medicaid is a program designed for low- and modest-income people. But when it comes to nursing homes, a lot of seniors start off middle class and pay for their care with private funds but end up using the Medicaid program.”
70% of all nursing home residents are on Medicaid. The majority of Medicaid spending, around 65%, goes to the elderly. If you called this provision in the House budget the “Force People to Live with Their Mother-in-Law Act,” I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t get out of the gate. But that’s the practical effect. If you effectively eliminate nursing home care through Medicaid by allowing states to reduce their coverage, what you’ll see is children having to take in their parents. They’ll also have their own children at home, in all likelihood, as 85% of all college grads these days are moving back in with their parents. There’s a seriously negative economic impact to all of this, but it also hurts the quality of life of both children and parents.
This seems ripe for AARP to handle. The Medicaid cuts are more dangerous because Americans have less of a conception of Medicaid as a crucial element in the social safety net. Some education would be paramount.




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Nursing homes & hospice providers are owned by wealthy people who will have a problem when their medicaid ‘gravy train’ is cut off, while the patients themselves may not have a voice the owners certainly do. (I know a few owners, they’re today doing more than alright & oddly enough tend to vote ‘r’)
Thank you, David! This issue is going against the common misconception that Medicaid is used for all those poor brown and black welfare children and their unmarried mothers (and let’s don’t even mention the illegals). All of us need to follow your example, and get the truth out there.
Prior to the passage of Americans with Disabilities Act, those younger aged disabled people raised a huge ruckus throughout the land and got that act passed. Elderly people in nursing homes, however, are not able to rally for themselves. We need to rally for them and, maybe, we can find a new Claude Pepper.
I wish that someone would ask Paul Ryan and his compadres to publicly state that what they really envision for senior citizens is that they quietly crawl away and die, because that is the end result of Ryan’s draconian proposals.
I used to urge people to get cameras in the “typical” nursing homes, then take the film to congressional hearings. Problem is that nobody wanted to go in and endanger the residents by filming them and raising management hackles. This is a hidden population, tucked away out of society’s sight–one of the most vulnerable of all dependent groups and, for that reason, one that desperately needs advocates willing to rally mightily for them.
Sorry for the O.T. but this is important and nothing good can come of it.
Unfortunately I don’t see the Vichycrats standing up on this. They might be perceived as “weak on defense”.
Those owners of nursing homes/skilled care facilities/etc tend to be wealthy; tend to vote R; tend not to want to pay a dime in taxes; but tend to the first in line to reap the benefits of YOUR and MY tax dollars in terms of Medicaid clients. I know a few, too, who own/run nursing homes; same story.
It does seem as such folks are cutting off their noses to spite their faces, doesn’t it? As in: killing the very goose who is laying such golden eggs for them. Short-sighted, much?
By all means, let’s perpetuate the government taking care of anyone as the first resort.
And if the conditions are so bad, sure, go ahead and remove ALL profit motive for the “wealthy people” who own them.
Another offering from the “concerned citizen.”
Interestingly enough, I also know quite a few conservatives in my boomer age group, who have set up these – don’t know what to call it? – schemes/scams, whereby their relatively well off (or at least doing ok) parents pass on all their savings & homes, etc, to their boomer kids. So that the elderly parents end up with apparently very low means & only Soc Sec to tide them over. Then they get Medicaid to assist their payments in the nursing home… all while the extended family *enjoys* the benefits of the eldery parents’ savings/portofolios/home, etc.
Neat trick? I’m sure liberals do it, too, but it so happens that everyone I’ve known to pull this off has been a big-time, anti-tax, R voter with parents who had savings, etc. Hypocritical – much???? And these same boomer kids (and probably their elderly parents) are still voting R and still insanely against any & all taxes. Go figure. Do these people ever think things through??? Not a rhetorical question.
What’s your solution? Retirement tar pits?
By all means, let’s perpetuate the government taking care of anyone as the
firstlast resort.That is why it is call a “safety net.”
What does the profit motive have to do with cutting Medicaid? lol, you guys do love to repeat your talking points.
My experience of my mother entering a nursing home was not a “first resort”. She lived with my wife, kids and me for years as she went steadily downhill to the point that giving her the proper care she needed was impossible.
The nursing homes–at least the state ones here in PA don’t just admit grandma because she’s got a bad case of gas.
And we will NEVER remove ALL profit motive for the wealthy. That’s just Randian propaganda.
But we may well remove all safety nets for the poor.
Death panels! Toss granny down the chute!
You mean concerned paid troll.
I’m old but okay financially. I think a lot about the oldsters who have health problems and are poor and alone. Many will die because there’s no reason to live and no one to help. When people have worked all their lives, it’s very immoral to just kick them aside like a piece of trash.
Sorry re your mother; I know whereat you speak. My dad has Alz & is in skilled nursing care. Very luckily, my parents do have enough $$ to afford this on their own, albeit are very very very happy to have Soc Sec and Medicare to help out.
There’s often a point at which the kids may not be capable of looking after eldery parents with dementia or Alzheimers. Care facilities are needed, esp bc people are living longer. Some of us simply cannot afford the very very high costs of these facilities on our own, and it’s not through be lazy slacker cadillac welfare queens or whatever.
Why conservatives are so hell-bent for leather to do away with all social safety nets is a mystery, but then it’s clear that they’ve been lied to and very easily misled (as well as being downright rude & totally insensitive).
I don’t know that anyone would put their parent/s in a home as a first resort. People are under incredible financial stresses, and caring for (a) parent/s is not easy, under the best of circumstances.
I have spent most weekends for more than a year (with no end in sight) taking care of my mother who lives 100 miles from me. I am trying to save money for my family, and it is not inexpensive to have full-time care, even with the donation of my time.
My parents worked hard and lived frugally, and because of this we have some resources to care for my mother in her home where she is comfortable and has great assistants. This is how it is if one is lucky.
The full-care facility in town is about as horrific as I can stand to imagine, and I think it is better than a lot of places. I don’t want my mother to have to live in that kind of a place, but most people don’t have the option.
If Medicare pays for that, good, regardless. But it is not much of a life, and kind of sickening to think the “profits” that come from it.
But thank goodness there is an option, because most for most people, that’s as good as it gets.
I really appreciate the fact that somebody is finally writing about the fact that Medicaid cuts will put nursing home patients out on the street. I have been leaving comments everywhere, hoping somebody would pick up the ball.
Another point to be made is that when abused and neglected (or orphaned) children are taken into state’s custody, their medical care and, more importantly, mental health counseling is paid for by Medicaid. If we leave grandma in her nursing home we will probably be letting little Johnny go without glasses so he can’t see the blackboard in school and letting his untreated PTSD set him on the road to the penitentiary.
If they block grant these things, the same thing will happen here as when they closed the big mental hospitals and went to community mental health centers. As the costs went up, they failed to increase the money appropriated to mental health, so the actual care has gone down and down and mental health patients are going into the jails and prisons.
The key here is the “adjusted for inflation and population” factor. Who gets to figure inflation? Core inflation? Commodity price inflation? or Health care cost inflation? Whatever it is, I can guarantee it won’t be enough, once the decision starts being made behind closed doors by the CBO or whoever else.
Yep. And if you’re older, then you’ve seen it all. Caring for my elderly parents & other relatives has been an eye-opener, I can tell you. Most who are in nursing homes deserve good care, not a kick in the teeth by mean-sprited know-nothings.
One solution: Save the last bullet for your retirement.
I know a traveling hospice nurse here in TX who told me Medicaid pays between $80 to $200 per hospice patient per day, depending on the patients TILE status, w/the majority of patients billed at $100/day. As she is a traveling nurse her hospice doesn’t pay (or bill Medicaid) for room or board, only hospice care. Her hospice’s census is about 60 patients, if they were all Medicaid her hospice would be billing at least $6000/day or $42,000/week. She & the other nurses are well-paid and the hospice does furnish all drugs & supplies so of course the hospice spends a significant amount of that money providing patient care. But pain meds are cheap and none of their supplies are all that exotic, either. Bonus, the owner employs his wife meaning those two take home the two highest salaries as well as much of their profits. Betcha Mr. R will be plenty pissed to lose his Medicare billings but it’s likely he’s far too blind to realize what who he supports politically plan to do…
I hear you. Helping my roommate with her elderly mom, who had to go into skilled nursing after minor surgery. It wasn’t quite a horror-show, but it wasn’t great, I admit. But for some, that’s all there is, and it was definitely far better than being left out in the street.
It’s very easy to point fingers of blame and chide and scold when you have no personal knowledge of the day-to-day reality of what it’s like to provide care for elderly relatives and friends. It’s a lot of work, and I, too, have spent countless hours flying across the country to enable my parents to live in their apt for as long as was possible. We were lucky to have just enough money to do that, but some people don’t. There’s the end to it. What does the elderly person do? Starve? Die in the street? I’m actually asking that in all seriousness bc that IS the harsh reality that we are discussing here.
My mother-in-law was in a nursing home owned by a friend of ours and it was very good and she received excellent care. But it was the most depressing place I have ever seen. I suppose to the ones who didn’t know where they were it didn’t matter but the ones who were fully alert must have been totally depressed.
The police in my city have killed 12 people in the last year, one just yesterday. Numerous of these killed have had mental health issues that their impoverished families have no means to provide care for, no help with medications or the endless doctor visits that lead to proper diagnoses and care.
When things go critical, they call the police. Now they are learning this is a death sentence. On the news they cry for their murdered child/brother/son.
Yes, we are only going to be able to do this until “skilled nursing care” is needed. We do not have the caregivers who will be lifting, changing diapers, etc. So I am trying to enjoy the “good times.”
Good example; thanks for the info. That’s the type of real-life examples that citizens need to realize what’s truly going on. It’s far to easy for the rightwing to cast stones of aspersion, making believe that anyone who’s on Medicaid is some kind of cadillac welfare slacker whose only interest is sucking off the govt tit. Usually that’s far from the truth; it’s the person’s last (and possibly first) resort.
Go out and volunteer to work with the elderly. Wash them, clean them off after they’ve soiled themselves and put on their adult diapers; help them to go to the bathroom; clean up their vomit & other stuff; feed them bc they cannot; listen to them groaning; listen to their repetitive stories endlessly; hold their gnarled hands; talk to them; help them to walk down the hall…
Then come back and tell me why the elderly *deserve* to be kicked out in the street …
yep. know exactly what you mean. it’s reality. best of luck to you and your parents. I know what it’s like.
Happy to report that some are much better than others and not so depressing. But you really have to be prepared to do some research to find the right place…. and hope that there is actually something in your area that’s better than average but still somehow affordable.
It’s really a balancing act and not easy to find the right facility, that’s for sure. And with costs soaring (mainly bc of *profits*), it’s just going to get harder as time passes.
Hey the Republicans want to empty all the Nursing homes of Seniors who are sucking off the Public Teat! Hell they can surely find a place under an overpass can’t they… Or conversely ship them all to Northern Alaska and put them out on the ice… I hear dying from the cold doesn’t hurt at all you just kind of just go to sleep… Besides the Polar Bears are having a hard time finding food so this would also be a boon for them! Don’t want them going extinct do ya??
We have visited/toured 5 nursing homes that accept Medicaid since last Thursday, on a just-in-case basis if Belch’s mom can’t complete a physical rehab course successfully enough to return to assisted living.
Have more to visit too, as we just realized yesterday that their Medicaid application is in one county, and it will throw a giant wrench in her status if we were to place her in a different county, so 2 of the visits were useless.
Of the 5 though, the range of acceptable was “Crap!” on the bottom of the range to “meh” in the middle and just “OK” at the top.
I’m really getting more expert at this business than I really care to.
Cuts to Medicaid MUST be accompanied by funding for the Soylent Green plants that will be so desperately needed.
And, of course, a change in the laws on suicide. Since it will be a patriotic duty to off oneself if one if not Uberwealthy, it should be legal. The survivors should get white stars (off the top of my head, white chosen as Easter lilies are often used at funerals — maybe the patch or medal should be a lily…or is that too religiously based? Whatev er.)
Gotta have legal suicide and Soylent Green plants to make best use of the elderly and sick’s sacrifice to the greater good of increasing the wealth of the Uberwealthy.
Yup, that was back when LBJ created the Great Society — and politicians in both parties gave a crap about regular people.
Oh, drat, where are the ice floes when we really need them???
North to Alaska! Or maybe South to Antarctica??
A sad comment from a spokesman of an era when kids picked coal instead of going to school
Some countries, most countries, all other countries have nursing home care for virtually no charge. Here, we suck every penny and every drop of blood.
Yeah all those lazy elderly slackers with dementia and other ailments need to get offa their lazy cadillac welfare queen butts and get a job!!! Who do these elderly think they are?? Ripping off the likes of the Koch brothers! How dare they?
Pardon me, I’m just making a technical point here: Medicare only pays for nursing home care on a short-term, post-acute basis. Medicaid pays for long-term nursing home care.