The Senate plans a floor vote on the Ryan budget at some undisclosed point. Initially the thought was it would come up this week, but now that has been pushed back to “sometime this month.” There are only two weeks left before the Memorial Day break, so that doesn’t leave much time.
It would be a big mistake to let the month go by without getting Republicans in the Senate on the record. Dean Heller, the new Senator from Nevada who already voted to end Medicare in the House, has every intention of doing it again. Scott Brown announced he would vote for the Ryan budget as well, and in all likelihood you can get Olympia Snowe and Richard Lugar to vote for it. So virtually every marginally contestable seat on the Republican side will have GOP candidates who voted to end Medicare. And with so many more Democratic seats up for grabs, they’ll need to play offense somewhere to take off the pressure.
But the well-laid trap for Republicans on Medicare is being undermined by the proponents of a grand bargain.
On “Fox News Sunday,” the talk was so cooperative that host Chris Wallace dubbed the conversation “television diplomacy.” On several topics, Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, warmly agreed to meet and share ideas on everything from Medicare and tax reform to border security.
“I just listened very carefully to what Jon Kyl said. And I believe he has set the stage for us to enter into a meaningful conversation,” Durbin said after Kyl announced he won’t agree to raising taxes, but would consider eliminating loopholes in the business tax code that complicate calculating the bottom line.
“Democrats are prepared to talk about the future of major entitlement programs, reform that is not going to deny the basic protections, which we put in the programs, but acknowledges the fact that we have serious economic problems ahead of us if we don’t have some reform in both Medicare and Social Security,” Durbin said.
Durbin drew the line at privatization, which is on offer in the Ryan budget, but it doesn’t exactly bolster the Democratic message and should give real concern to those who don’t want to see seniors pricing cat food.
It comes at a time when Republicans are flinching in the wake of loud protests to their ideas for Medicare. But it won’t be long before they recognize the attitudes of both sides of the debate, and gain the impression that nobody is really working to protect their interests. Nancy Pelosi has had the best posture in this debate. She’s said that the Democrats have an alternative to the Ryan budget: it’s called Medicare. Medicare faces a demographic problem and a general problem with the broken US health care system. Those are viable subjects of study, but ending Medicare is most certainly not. And with that connection to the Republicans underway, the best thing to do is to just let that happen. That starts by holding the vote in the Senate.
UPDATE: I spoke too soon about Pelosi. We’re in “everything is on the table” mode.




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Those are some seriously right wingnut comments over at The Hill website.
Ryan’s not the story anymore. The real story is big-name Dems like Durbin, Pelosi, Conrad,
and Hoyer are going to cut your Medicare and Social Security. They’ll do it over the next month or two.
And they’ll do it with Obama’s blessing.
I agree Durbin and the rest are traitors.
Yep.
The fix is in…
and the fucking
…is about to begin.
The punchline will be that Democrats “saved” Social Security and Medicare by not privatizing them as they go about hacking it up and raiding it.
Maybe we should all go buy shares of Johnson&Johnson, who are the makers of KY Jelly… bc all citizens are gonna need a boatload of it as the reaming officially begins…
Cuts are the first step. Next step, the option to privatize if you want to (defunding). Then Medicare is Bankrupt. Must privatize the system.
Then you haven’t read the comments at Drudgico. They are even worse.
So, in fact, Durbin isn’t “undercutting” the Democratic party’s message on medicare, he’s delivering the Democratic party’s position on medicare.
Does anybody have any real plan for a populist takeover?
NO.
Are the rightwingers for or against cutting/gutting Medicare & Soc Sec on those websites?
I’m curious bc some of the conservatives who blog here – could be paid sock puppets, but might be conservatives who feel like blogging here – tend to advocate for cutting both systems based on the fake-libertarian nonsense that we all have to “learn” to “take care of ourselves.”
I’m not clear on why they think I’m not “taking care of myself,” when I’ve contributed to both programs all of my working life, and I’m just looking for a decent return on my investment. But that’s another story.
In all seriousness, if you have any ideas, please share them. I confess: I don’t but am open to valid suggestions.
Were you on the FDL webinar? No new ideas.
That’s right. It’s such an easy way to run the bus over the Rethugs, but they cannot. Democrats also intend to cut, and ultimately privatize SS and Medicare.
R or D, Wall Street pays for their campaigns. Wall Street and AHIP want the whole pie.
The die was cast with the Simpson Boles Catfood Deficit Commission – Cuts. That’s become the model on the Left – The Liberal Position. They have also embraced the derrogatory term “Entitlements”.
Juxtapose that plan with the Ryan Plan on the right.
You get cuts and eventual privatization.
That is inaccurate. The purpose of that call/webinar was not resolution of ideas, for one.
For two, there were some more ideas for activities, to be further developed and vetted as time passes.
I’ve already drawn my line in the sand. I will vote for no candidate who supports cuts in Social Security or Medicare. I lose no opportunity to tell the candidates and the party.
Take a stand.
Just say NO.
This is ALL Obama. Don’t draw any lines in the sand, he warned folks on the Hill.
I, Barack, will determine the terms of the “Grand Bargain” — along with my R friends.
Back off, Durbin and Pelosi. Or get with the program.
Sorry, I missed it. Will there be a summary?
Another is “reform”. Never trust anyone who tells you they are going to “reform” something. Reform means they’re going to con you out of something you want and by the time you wade through the bafflegab, it’s too late.
Pelosi took impeachment off the table, as she said, “If you only knew the half of it.” (referring to Bushco War Crimes).
Now Pelosi says, “everything is on the table” re: Medicare Cuts and Privatization.
Pelosi has needed the Vaudeville Hook for a long time now. She’s a corporate tool. Like O and Durbin Deep.
I couldn’t attend due to needing to work to pay the bills, but I look forward to updates and ideas of how we can participate.
Democrats are obviously no more trustworthy than Republicans.
These are Vichycrats. Are they worthy of your vote? Not mine.
So true. Sadly.
Always amazed when people defend Pelosi, you’d think they’d learn. Durbin’s looking for a job like Pomeroy got, obviously. Who keeps voting for these scumbags?
There was little pushback on the Social Security Trustees report yesterday (the trustees do not represent the Social Security Administration) which was negative and suggested that Medicare and Social Security were in trouble. They artificially raised the longevity expectations by .5 years and artificially lowered the revenue expectations thereby skewing the equation into negative territory more quickly. Only Dean Baker picked that up and wrote a reaction; otherwise all the propaganda outlets reported the trustees story as ‘truth’.
That Dick Durbin is delivering the message not undercutting it. This frame will NEVER change until WE change it…
I look forward to the day when that is common knowledge and we can proceed from there…until then we will keep running in circles…
So when I saw Pelosi’s reversal at the Hill, I waited to see if she issued a qualifying retort. Nope. She was against cuts just last Fall; and now she’s gone over to the other side.
The numbers have been clearly skewed, as reported in various sources, but of course, no one’s gonna point that out. And citizens lock-step in line to repeat: well, there’s *nothing* that can be done, so we just have to suck it up…. and so on…
My sense is that both Durbin and Pelosi know that protecting Medicare is a winning message for Ds — and, if left to their own devices, would do so — but have been told in the sternest terms by the WH that a deal has already been cut.
But, reasonable people can differ on this, and you may be correct.
Seems it gets uglier every day for those of us who had a vision of a life well spent that would leave our last two or three decades or so to be enjoyable.
Hard fought gains by our previe two gens for 8 hour/40 hour work days/weeks, quality education in public schools thru college, healthcare, civil rights . . . all gone in a decade or so and getting worse . . . as an almost 60 something, my gen is gonna hurt hard our last two decades.
I shudder to think about what those behind us will suffer and endure. I DO know it’s all unsustainable and will collapse upon the rich oligarchy, but that will come only after it has collapsed utterly and completely upon the rest of we the people . . .
LeSigh.
A pox upon our erected offals, all of them.
Sure seems like that’s what’s going down. Fuckin depressin way to start the week . . .
Democrats will provide so much cover for the Republicans that along with the Republican owned MSM, the pie will be all over the Democrats faces.
Both Parties are intent on wrecking Social Security and Medicare. The R’s plan is faster and more thorough. The Dem’s plan is labelled a more moderate version. In reality, the Dems plan engages the R’s plan. Together, they implement a Mafia Bust Out (which both Parties want) to bequeath to their masters on Wall Street and AHIP.
Nah, this smells a lot like what happened on healthcare giveaways to PhArma n insurance n big med. The fiz is in.
I wonder if we the people will gert worked up over this more than we did on the healthcare scam . . . by WTP I mean the general populous, not proggies n pups.
Two political parties pimping for the same clients, tax free global corporations with their criminal executives and financial speculators.
And what’s this about Geithner stealing money from federal retirement funds? Let the looting begin! Can the pillaging be far behind?
Yes it’s Obama’s plan and Pelosi Durban and the powerful Democrats can see both sides of the equation. Voters are gonna be pissed when they vote to cut “entitlements”. But Wall Street and AHIP are gonna pour cash on them.
They’re going to fuck the voters, go with the money and let Obama lead them by the noses.
Some of them will get the hook again in 2012.
The MSM will not spin it to favor Pelosi and the Dems. IT will be spun as usual to favor Rethugs.
Rethug opponents will get away with saying they would never have voted to cut Med.
A deal has been cut. The fix is in. Durbin’s and Pelosi’s statements are “after the fact.” If Barry had chosen to play hardball on raising the debt limit, they would have gone along.
They’re minor players at this point. Even irrelevant. Barry is dealing directly with the Rs. So, I agree, it is just like HCR. But YMMV.
$15 trillion to bail out the crooks on Wall St:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/bailout-costs-vs-big-historical-events/
And the DC Dems will take the money you’ve been paying into Social Security and Medicare YOUR WHOLE WORKING LIFE.
Lucky us.
Who needs Republicans when we’ve got the Democratic party to screw us up the a$$?
Cornel West via Hedges:
Great read. Cornell West is telling it.
This realization for a lot of people seems to be coming at a glacial pace.
Day after day, year after year, it’s mega corporations all wins and at best a few ties for the masses…for the last 10 years it’s been so provocative that for anyone curious enough to look into it they would surely discover the truth of that.
So much to say in so little space, but I’ll try to do this succinctly.
I think I know what everybody else here knows: The professional politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are thrilled that they have us chasing our tails, still believing that achieving our ends is possible, refusing to accept that the system is irretrievably broken and irrevocably weighted against the People, fixed to deliver to the richest few.
Nothing is going to change until money is out of the political system.
Everything else is a distraction.
Obama’s approval numbers are up to something like 60%.
If the coming elections are framed, “Obama and Democrats are better than Republicans” (and well-crafted campaigns of fear are waged again to punctuate that message), then we’re in for more of the same (Obama and DINOs assured victories).
Gallup via LA Times:
You got it.
The way they see it, if it is bipartisan, people will be equally pissed at both sides. So it is a wash.
It’s going to be the Public Option all over again. All the GOP has to do is pull as hard to the right as possible and Obama will come along and claim he’s a centrist. What a con these two so called parties are pulling on us.
Well, to start with we could look to what other industrialized countries do. Virtually all of them cover a higher percentage of people at less cost per person.
Second let the agency negotiate for lower drug prices. There’s a big giant start for you.
I live in NM, close to Mexico. Large numbers of people go across the border to get health care and medicine. Seriously. I’m betting that happens to some extent up north with Canada too. So that whole greatest healthcare system in the world is only true if you can afford what the private companies choose to charge. Fix that and you will have largely solved the problem. Of course this may mean limited profits or (shriek!) non profit.
Obama and the Dens are being told what to do….Bush had Chaney as the shadow President; Obama has anyone from Wall St as his shadow president…Pete Peterson wins; the average American loses…we know the fix is in.
Durbin better remember what happened to Danny Rostenkowski when he got too far away from his constituents’ views.
Obama & the DemoCraps continuing to play on the GOP terms is making them look feckless and incapable of governing.