Greg Sargent has more of the story about Tom Coburn’s unceremonious exit from the Gang of Six. We pretty much knew it had to do with Coburn seeking a global spending cap for Medicare. We didn’t know the details:
The “Gang of Six” talks on deficit reduction broke down after Senators Dick Durbin and Tom Coburn got locked in a heated yelling match over Coburn’s demand for extremely deep cuts in Medicare that Durbin thought would “destroy” the popular program, a Senate aide familiar with the talks tells me.
According to the aide familiar with the talks, the senators got into a heated argument on Monday night, after Coburn demanded an additional $130 billion in Medicare, in addition to the $400 billion in Medicare cuts recommended by President Obama’s fiscal commission, for a total of $530 billion in cuts for current recipients.
“Coburn came in on Monday and said, ‘I want $130 billion,’” the aide says. “The conservation was heated. There was yelling. Durbin said, ‘I am not doing this. That destroys Medicare. That goes even further than Paul Ryan. We’re not doing it.’”
I don’t know who this narrator is and what his or her motivations are. It’s a Durbin staffer for all I know. But we do know a few things from this:
1) They were using the Bowles-Simpson cat food recommendations for Medicare, which would have cut $400 billion from the program over a decade. That’s on top of the $500 billion in cuts, mainly from ending Medicare Advantage overpayments, in the Affordable Care Act. So what were those cuts? Here was the main briefing document from Bowles-Simpson. It includes:
Pay doctors and other providers less, improve efficiency, and reward quality by speeding up payment reforms and increasing drug rebates
Pay lawyers less and reduce the cost of defensive medicine by adopting comprehensive tort reform
Expand cost-sharing in Medicare to promote informed consumer health choices and spending
Expand successful cost containment demonstrations
Strengthen IPAB
Recommend additional health savings (illustrative examples to follow)
So Bowles and Simpson would establish a new payment system for Medicare with “modest reductions” for providers, and bargaining with pharmaceuticals for name drugs in exchange for letting them participate in Medicare Part D. But they also included that increase in “cost-sharing.” That means having program beneficiaries pay for more of Medicare. Bowles and Simpson wanted to eliminate first-dollar coverage in Medigap plans, and establish a universal deductible, a single coinsurance rate, and a catastrophic coverage cap in Medicare. Bowles and Simpson only got through half of this. Their final slide says “Identify an additional $200 billion savings in federal health spending,” meaning “you come up with it.” They would empower the Independent Payment Advisory Board to do that.
They also had a bunch of other ideas, like cutting federal spending on medical degree education, throwing dual-eligibles (for Medicare and Medicaid) into Medicaid Managed Care, and expanding other payment reforms. There were a host of non-Medicare health spending cuts they recommended too, mostly increasing co-pays for Medicaid, Federal Employee Health Benefits retirees and even Tricare. For the most part though not entirely, the Bowles-Simpson plan for health care was “make people pay for more of it.” That was the baseline of the Gang of Six. Everyone at the table was comfortable with that.
2) Coburn wanted to add an additional $150 billion of cuts on top of that. This, according to this account, would “destroy Medicare.” Above and beyond all the other cuts being made? How?
3) People believe that Durbin speaks for Obama in these negotiations. Then you have to say that Medicare will be a fundamental issue in the 2012 elections, as we’re already seeing. Dismantling the program or cutting it “too much” are the bright lines.
4) Coburn and his Republican colleagues like to say that current retirees “would not be affected” by the program. On the one hand, this means that, in order to reduce the burden of debt on our children and grandchildren, we’re going to increase the burden of health care on them. But looked at another way, this is nonsense. Coburn wanted immediate, near-term cuts on retirees.
So while the Gang of Six has basically been cashed, we can learn from this experience what Democrats were willing to give up, and what they weren’t. It’s not the prettiest of pictures.





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It certainly isn’t. Are Durbin & Co. really looking to destroy the Democratic Party? Because it sure looks that way.
that’s hideous.
Obama’s a “liberal”?
couldn’t they save the same amount just be setting drug prices like every other country in the world?
these people are evil.
Take my pledge. No cuts or no votes.
Let them know they can’t get away with it.
So, how’s that third party primary challenge sounding about now?
I sure hope everyone reading this or anything else on the subject realizes the FACT that if there is ANY cut in Medicare, or Social Security, or ANYTHING else in the bill to increase the debt limit that it is a FACT that it will be owned by the DEMOCRATS.
The ONLY thing the Democrats need to do is remind everyone, including those in positions of influence with the Republican Party, of what the stakes are if they don’t increase it. There is no way, NO WAY, that the Repbublicans will actually not increase it. Therefore, if there are cuts to popular programs as part of the deal, it will be because the Democrats CHOSE to allow them to be part of the deal.
And they need to be held accountable for that CHOICE.
But for some reason, lots of folks on the “left” feel Republicans should be held accountable for their attacks on the social safety net, but the Democrats shouldn’t be held accountable. It boggles the mind.
x2
By whom? There’s the problem: no credible candidate.
Durbin has been a sap since being re-elected in 2006. Now he is Obama’s poodle. The guy has abandoned the Democrats in favor of oligarchies. There is no chance in hell he will ever be on our side anymore especially after making sure the public option did not get a vote because our Dear Leader negotiated it away in July. I only hope a challenger in 2012 rises to defeat this prick in the primaries here in Illinois.
And he reminds me of the high schooler who thinks himself a loser so he sells himself out to be with the “popular” crowd – i.e. deficit scold club. The guy has no morals or convictions that he will not sell out — that much has become apparent. And pretty much knew that when he did an about face and once Dems ruled the Senate, continued to fund the Iraq War. What an a -hole
The Democrats are mostly closet Republicans, anyway. What possible difference could it make to them at this point? And being put out of office, rare as that is, is not a financial hardship.
Obama isn’t even a Democrat.
Don’t forget to add Village Clown Car Media™.
They aid the conservathink more than is generally acknowledge when we condemn uniparty garbage. It’s not possible to commit these crimes without them.
Why Mrs. Alan Greenspan is still on MSNBC is beyond my ken.
First post I’ve seen from you here.
Welcome to the Lake.
Simply because she’s Mrs. Alan Greenspan… more’s the pity.
But agree wholeheartedly with you.
I’ve taken to calling him “Mr. Andrea Mitchell”
And they call liberals unrealistic simpletons who want a pony.
Durbin, Obama – how’s that chase for the mythical, elusive bipartisanship pony working out for you?
That’s so bogus it’s almost beyond comprehension. They’re not really even trying anymore, are they? but why should they? Will citizens even know, much less care? And if they know, will they get out of their comfy chairs to protest? Doubt it.
A lot of Doctors won’t even accept new Medicare patients, unless another one passes away or leaves the Doctor’s practice… bc the paperwork is a bear & the Docs often feel that they’re underpaid for services rendered. So they can only “afford” to have “X” number of Medicare patients without going under themselves.
I have no idea how true that is, but I know several doctors who run their med. practice this way… and while they live comfortably, they’re not stinking rich, either.
Forcing Tort reform simply isn’t going to save that much money in terms of Medicare. All it will result in is that the “small people” will have less recourse to protecting themselves.
Bastards!
Durbin sold himself out a long time ago. I thought Durbin & Coburn were making out with each other last Sunday on MTP?? Trouble in paradise??
Absolutely. As I was saying to a coworker when I said that “America has two political parties, a conservative one (the Democrats) and a fascist one (the Republicans), when compared to the political dynamics in every other modern state” she was aghast. I then also said “there’s a lot kabuki involved. Ever note how the Democrats sound a lot morel liberal when they don’t have power, when they don’t have the votes to possibly get through what they say they want passed? Yet when they DO have the votes, they still don’t pass it?”.
If the Republicans having just the House can play hardball, then so can the Dems–if they want to. They say that protecting Medicare and SS is important, they say that tax increases on the rich are important, well, here’s their chance to deliver. But you know, the cries for “bipartisanship” (i.e., Democrats giving Republicans 95 % of what they want) will then escalate in the Village.
-stewartm
heh…
Oh, kall, I think the republicans all want unicorns. The horn. It’s so shiny and sharp and could work for compensation for other inadequacies, real or imagined.
Tort reform is a fraud.
Yea, Durbin’s $400 billion in cuts “save” the program but Coburn’s extra $130 billion in cuts “destroys” the program. Durbin is a lying douchebag.
Quite well, actually. We’re another story, tho.
Cat Food? Oh, if only you were that lucky! By the time they’ve finished with you, cat food will be serf-caviar! You’ll get it once a year at most and be thankful for it!
Serfdom in the United States is shaping up to be something very, very special! Your oligarchs make their Russian counterparts look like shy, retiring wall flowers.
Let the monstrous reaming commence!
True enough.
Ugh, nevermind.
Just remembered the “Restore” function, did that, and my old browser is back.
Sorry.
Which browser are you using? I assume Firefox?
I guess this means forcing patients to ask the prices of procedures and pick the cheapest ones because the co-payments are so high that you may not be able to afford the more expensive ones.
This is pretty much a joke because it would require the doctors and nurses and technicians to know the prices of everything, which would be tough because EVERYBODY GETS A DIFFERENT PRICE depending on who they are and what insurance they have. The un-insured get the highest price, of course.
BTW, my experience helping my Mom on Medicare is that the first, last and only choice we had when we called the EMT’s to take her to the hospital after she fell was, “Which hospital do you want to go to?” How far have these … people … departed from reality that they can actually believe that old people on Medicare, in confusion, pain and distress are to be expected to pick and choose what they are going to accept from the doctors? And the future of America is going to be decided (in some small part) by frightened sick old people expected to help save millions of dollars for the budget.
Yup. Well if you have confused old people, then you can just ram whatever down their throats. And if it doesn’t work, oh well. Too bad, so sad, get used to it.
Remember the Media Whore shrieking about “Death Panels”?? Well, really: this IS the true death panel going on here. But I’m sure we won’t see the Grifter coming along to “defend” granny from egregious practices now.
Coburn gone? Yelling and confrontation? Whew! That was a close one! Now I guess we’re safe with the Dems! They’ll save the day for us “lesser people!” /s
They don’t believe it, but they think everyone else will.
Has Obama gone running after Coburn yet, pleading with him to stay on?
A bit late to the party. The link behind “Greg Sargent” in the first sentence of the post is bad. Here is the correct link:
Gang of Six talks broke down amid yelling…
Internet Explorer.
I misspoke in my edit. I remembered the Restore function but hadn’t yet actually done it, and assumed it would be back.
It took awhile to go through that restore process, but my old browser is back now. Thanks though.
And once againt sorry for the OT.
Remember Rep. Grayson. He said “hurry up and die”. That’s the Plutocracy’s health plan for the peasants.
I turned off the Restore function and it’s taken me this long to figure out what you’re talking about.
I’m a Firefox user, have been for years, but the latest iteration of IE is quite nice. And probably as secure as Firefox, at this point. Given the sophistication of malware coders today, it’s foolish to depend on your browser, by any name, to defend against attacks by itself. I have security galore and I still run full scans weekly–and find occasional miscreants.
Pay providers less–wow. It’s already nearly impossible for a woman to get care from a gynecologist under Medicare–gynecologists in my area are dumping long-term patients when they turn 65, no joke. I hope if those of us over 65 wind up with some type of reproductive cancer, they will deign to treat us but I’d hate to bet on it. I’ll be using my primary care physician for gynecological services starting next year.
Your primary doc does those exams?
I primary doc is fully capable of doing the basic exam and basic tests, including pap tests and so on.
BUT WHY!?!?!? would anyone want a primary doc versus the specialist in that area?
it makes no sense. in fact, it’s nonsense.
medicine in this country is a joke. not only the cost, but where it’s headed.
ob gyn malpractice rates are insane and it’s not helped by tort reform. just check the stats on any state that has tort reform … same cost. it’s because the companies are greedy, always trying to make more. no matter what. and at the expense of Americans.
Durbin is such a little scumbag.
Agree that a specialist is better: more experience, all things being equal, means better outcomes. I’m sort of betwixt and between, here, because no one has ever refused my Medicare, including the surgeon who operated on me for breast cancer and still sees me annually for checkups. I’m wondering if being in a population- and med facility-dense area has anything to do with it. I am. Whatever the case, if docs won’t take Medicare patients, it’s only a matter of time until many of them don’t have practices, IMO. Docs don’t have the leverage they once did and it’s going to come down to Take this or nothing. They’ll threaten to leave the profession, but first of all, to what, and second, medicine has seen at least one major temperament shift in med school applicants since the doctor-as-god days and we’ll survive another. The days when doctors were purveyors of “the miracles of modern medicine” are over and their otherworldly power with it.
I assume alan Greenspan stays on MSBC due to Andrea Mitchell becaues he sucks and should be banned from TV..
This whole thing sounds more like a lover’s tiff between Durbin and Coburn. The whole “there was yelling” makes it look like a power couple has broken up.
And the fact that Durbin (I agree that he is speaking for Obama) was willing to part with 400 billion dollars in cuts is outrageous.
What Atrios said…
I would think 400 billion would pretty well finish it off without the added 130 billion.
Obama agrees with Simpson on the moves to destroy Medicare ($400 B cut) and “save” Social Security.
Who could have guessed that?
Pity the Congress refused to pass a commission bill and Obama had to use his Presidential power to form one on his own – that leaves such a big fingerprint folks might catch on – not the folks on MSNBC – but the base might catch on and stay home.
Of course TPM and Kos do not see that happening.
Can’t wait for tomorrows big announcement on Israel/Palestine Peace – 60/40 in favor of Obama following the Dennis Ross approach of say nothing specific – but there is that 40% chance he will follow Hillary’s advice and actually do something. But I am not getting my hopes up.
Been here for years — from the time that Jane and Christy were pretty much running the show. Just don’t wade into the water too much, but I read it everyday.
The “cost-sharing” bit always got me. I’m still fond of something I wrote on that point well over a year ago:
Same as it ever was.
I post links to the articles from this site about Democrats willing to cut SS and Medicare on Twitter all the time. The responses I get receive are unbelievable. People can’t grasp that Democrats are willing to do this, somehow our message is not getting through.
Add Ruth Marcus of the WaPo to the Clown Car Media Posse. Ms. Marcus has a crush on Mitch Daniels-she wants him to run for prez so he’ll make Obama a “better” candidate. Mind you, she says she wouldn’t vote for Mitchie, she just wants him in the mix.
Of course, since Ms. Marcus lives in the Washington media bubble, she doesn’t care what havoc Mitchie’s wrought in Indiana.