AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka will make a speech today in Washington where he will call for an independent labor movement that protects the interests of the working class and does not look out for one party or the other.
In a speech at the National Press Club, the head of the nation’s largest labor federation will say that unions intend to focus their 2012 political efforts not based on lawmakers’ party affiliation but rather their stance on issues near and dear to labor.
“We are looking hard at how we work in the nation’s political arena. We have listened hard, and what workers want is an independent labor movement that builds the power of working people — in the workplace and in political life,” Trumka will say, according to excerpts of his remarks. “Our role is not to build the power of a political party or a candidate. It is to improve the lives of working families and strengthen our country.”
It’s practically a rite of passage for a labor leader to stress their independence from the Democratic Party. In the end, the alarm bells almost always go off, and labor runs back into the waiting arms of the Democrats. Not to mention that labor is intimately intertwined with the Democratic Party. They have seats on the DNC, fercryinoutloud. So will this time be any different?
One change from previous years is that labor faces an existential crisis in the states. To the extent that they won’t focus their work on national Democrats, it’s because they’re trying to save themselves in Wisconsin and Ohio and Florida and New Hampshire and across the country. They don’t have much of a choice.
The second thing is that it’s been pretty plain to see that labor got almost nothing for their efforts for national Democrats over the past few years. A progressive member of Congress told me this week that he would understand labor not making the same investment in the Democratic Party, because the return on that investment has been so nonexistent. This candid recognition at the highest levels signals that labor has made their position known. In addition, nobody is better positioned than labor to make the argument that the working class has lost all its traction and faces an assault from inequality, wage stagnation and an economy that only works for the rich. Democrats have abandoned that ideological battle, so labor must pick up the slack.
I’m still skeptical that much will change here. But labor my not just be in rebellion against Democrats at the federal level, they may just be preoccupied at the state level.




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This is a screamingly obvious opportunity for FDL to look to partner with AFL-CIO and actually take steps to make a “Labour Party”. Moreover, the result of any “scorecard” that approves ca. 5 current members of Congress should be to ask those 5 to join that new “Labour Party”. You will then be at war with the remaining rump of the Uniparty, and your struggle must not cease until it is completely dead, slain and most of its officers are in jail. But please, do the obvious. Accept that there is no future whatsoever for anything involving the word “Democrat”, and begin the process of setting up a “Labour Party”, with the intention of winning Congress, and the Presidency, reforming the electoral system, taxing the super wealthy in a one-off round at 75-90% of their global assets and so on. If this is not done, your future will be an “Arab Spring” – but Syrian/Libyan, not Egyptian/Tunisian.
I could be wrong, but I think it might be different this time.
Throwing people and constituencies under the bus has never been done as screamingly brazenly, and with as little apology or acknowledgment, as it has under this administration, and the present iteration of the Democratic Party.
Trumka’s big speech is Bullshit Kabuki 101.
In the end this gutless Veal Pen fucker will sell the public, the voters, and his own members down the tubes.
I we make a Labor Party can we spell it like we do here in ‘Merka?
In the end we can’t do things like they do them in England because we don’t have a parliamentary system with proportional representation. The way an independant movement can have the most influence is by supporting candidates within the more friendly party who also support its agenda. Which sounds like the plan here. It’s not that Trumka is going to support some Republicans here, some Democrats there. He’s going to support Democrats who help Labor, and not those that don’t. Instead of sending money to DNC / DCCC / DSCC he’s focusing on individual candidates.
The best thing they could do would be to set up a recruiting pipeline to fund primary challengers in districts with unfriendly Democrats. Hold the “Blue Dogs” feet to the fire the same way their corporate paymasters do.
The Democratic party… BETRAYED liberals, progressives and traditional Democrats.
Any solution to this problem that involves a continued allegiance to this corrupt organization… is doomed to failure.
I am a life long progressive and an Ex-Democrat who re-registered as an Independent.
Registering as an Independent [not affiliated with any political party] is the best political decision I have ever made.
Independent means free from political party brainwashing. I am now free to see the REALITY of politics… which is that both the Democrats and Republicans have been corrupted to the core by Wealthy Special Interests. The battle is no longer between R’s and D’s … it is between the American people and our entire corrupt government.
Just as important is the fact that I no longer support or validate a corrupt organization. Because I am no longer on the rolls of the party and no longer a member I have sent a message, LOUD AND CLEAR to the Democratic party that I am no longer interested and I will not support their “product”… corruption.
Americans can not continue to blindly follow these corrupt political parties. Americans need to stop being patsies and dupes for scoundrels. We can no longer march behind fake leaders who claim to represent us… when in fact they do not.
The time has come to stand up to corruption.
No! We want more than this:
Not “one off”
1. Estate taxes at 75-90%
2. Passive income, portfolio income, capital gains and earned income taxed at 5identically, and all pay SS and medicare taxes with no caps.
3. Removal of “Corporate Personhood”
4. Goods imported levied with tarrifs for twice the difference between our regulation (environmental & labor), and taxes.
5. Services exported (offshored) charged a tariff equivalent to (4).
6. Public financing of elections.
7. A standard, published, analysis on the difference of costs between public provision of service and corporate provision of service.
The New Progressive Alliance at http://newprogs.org/ will fight for real change including a primary for Obama or running an independent candidate. The time for hoping to get the 2008 candidate back is long gone.
Labor has to make a choice: keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results OR abandon support of both legacy parties.
Trumka should take a look at the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy for an idea they could work with to bust the legacy parties and create the space for something new.
I think his point is well taken. I don’t give to the party. I give to the ACLU, the Holocaust Museum, Planned Parenthood, etc… I will probably give to specific candidates like Jeff Merkeley or Peter DeFazio. But never, ever again will I give to the Democratic Party. Only money talks.
If we follow the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy then there will be space for all kinds of changes to occur. Until we bust the legacy parties no significant change is possible.
It sounds like you would be in support of the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy. If you haven’t yet please hop over to that post and check it out. We need to bust the legacy parties!
The oligarchs want to bust the unions. The unions should return the favor by busting the legacy parties of the oligarchs.
I believe you.
I’ve never been a union member, so I can only speak from the sidelines here, but it seems to me that organized labor must either get serious or die — that continuing to give working people’s money to an organization that will give it to shitbags like Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, Dick Durbin and Blanche Lincoln is no longer an option.
I don’t believe Trumka. His statement is a lie like much of America. He’s not serious.
The only way to make some people happy is to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
I hope it’s true. I really really hope it’s true. Labor has been the ultimate Democratic battered wife. They have less than nothing to show for decades of Democratic electoral activism. Stagnation would be one thing – but they’ve been rolled back so so much.
Cue the Egnor and Friends Failure Faction to show up any minute now and tell us how anything but slavish devotion to the elites that run the Democratic party means we’re all doomed in a sea of Republican power because there’s such a HUGE difference.
How about a union that has never supported or depended upon a political party? A union that doesn’t have one leader but where every member is a leader. A union by the workers, for the workers. One Big Union, the IWW.
this is exactly what’s needed. the way to a viable alternative party is to convert incumbents.
you can’t be independent of a party if there’s only one party that’ll talk to you. if there is no other choice, then sweet fate, make one.
can’t say it any better than kabuki and independentvoter.
and well synoia, what can I say, you had me at “No!”
supporting “Dems” is akin to supporting Corportists. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE!
they want to continue legalized bribery. HELL NO!!!
let the Dems party fall. they are an affront to americans. and no different than the other wing of the Corporatist party. the exceptions in the Dems (what are there maybe 2 real Dems, ie. old school libs, left?) only prove the rule.
and just like Dem leadership, labor’s leadership is also corrupt. who prevented a general strike in Wisconsin or other places? if a general strike had been planned, the royalty would have been begging the workers. a few days of it, as the Europeans do, and we would have our country back from these Aholes and thieves. but no, labor’s leadership said let’s focus ONLY on recalls. like recalls scare the royalty? no way. always more politicians to buy. a general strike, maybe even national, and that’s it. those thieves and liars would be on their knees begging workers.
the whole system is corrupt. and none of these “leaders” can be trusted. their actions, or lack thereof, speak volumes. Trumka is no different than O. nice pretty words, and absolutely no effective actions for the workers.
put out or get out. ie. get it done!!!, or get out of the way so that others can.
the Europeans can organize national strikes and mass protests, and labor here can’t??? BS. the leadership chooses not to. don’t trust them. they all suck up to a system that pays them the bennies. and that’s all they care about.
recalls? what a joke if that’s the ONLY strategy.
these things are just delaying real action as long as possible so that when they do happen, we will be too powerless to have any effect. when free workers strike, God himself hears. when a slave strikes, they are taken out back. they are just waiting till the slavery is codified in the amerikan psyche. and then it will be too late.
Spot on thought.
The “they have no place else to go” idea is used to ignore labor, and to ignore the left/the base of the party.
Indeed “they have no place else to go” might be the slogan of the new party.
How FDL gets in bed – formally – with labor – is an interesting question. But that bed would sure seem more rational with Labor in it with FDL than it would be with FDL and the Tea Party (where anti-war is the only common thought – and that being only true for the libertarian wing of the GOP/Tea Party which also wants to end aid to Israel – indeed end all foreign aid). Labor is not in love with the left because members see us as against “just wars” – not patriotic – and feel we do not really support unions as a first principle. The left seems to look down on union members because they do support some wars and tend to not be as educated as much as the “professional left”. It would be a culture clash but merger would be doable in my opinion. The stop rich and corporate control – or at least offset it with Government regulations, fair progressive taxes, and a strong labor movement – would seem to be something we could agree on.
Keep those thoughts coming! Since any liberal political power was steadily quashed after the WWII a new labor movement could unit all unions teachers, fire, police, prison, services= unions UAW. AFL/CIO and more. A new power that is capable of national strikes, consumer boycotts and paralysing actions that would get international support. Good on Trumka for showing the find of leadership that fills this vacuum. The possibilities to move to a European socialist/industrialist state with universal healthcare, living wages for all are very bright.
you are correct.
and hearing those names … I just threw up a little in my mouth.
with Dems like these, who needs Repubs. 2 branches of the Corporatist party.
4. Goods imported levied with tarrifs for twice the difference between our regulation (environmental & labor), and taxes.
I’d agree with many of your points, but not this one. Erecting trade barriers: tariffs; quotas; voluntary export/import restraints; simply screws the consumer. It transfers wealth to corporations at consumer expense. Say you can go buy a pound of imported cheese at $7. That keeps the price of cheese produced locally down to say $5. Slap a tariff on imported cheese that raises the price to $10/lbs and the local producers will raise their price to 7, 8, or 9 dollars/lbs. Now consumers pay more for both imported and domestically produced cheese. In addition, the foreign trade partner will retaliate, and not just on cheese, which will limit our exports. Everyone suffers except the corporations.
Those pesky unintended consequences.
When the time comes, unions may fall in line, but it’s good that Trumka is saying this. Maybe the Dems will get nervous and it also might slow down other donations. The Dems need to be hit where it hurts and that’s always money.
matthewj
I havnt seen that before… sounds very interesting. I will check it out.
I can say that I agree with the concept. Voters need to learn the power of their vote. To vote in protest of corruption is an infinately wiser vote than to continue to vote for the same corrupt politicians over and over and over and expect a different result. Why would corrupt politicians ever change when they are being rewarded-encouraged for what they are doing by voters who reelect them over and over and over. They wont change. Thus the totally corrupt government we have now.
Thanks for the link.
I tend to believe Trumka because his actions have been followed up by words. He protested and got arrested at one of the investment banks on Wall Street. He has backed his words with action.
Also, I seem to remember a local police or fire fighter union saying that they will no longer support national candidates, but only locals. The earth is shifting, but (I fear) until things get much worse, they will not get much better.
Count me in on this “platform”.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
This is a great and very timely post. Please get together with others on your contact list in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana and Ohio and all the states in which teachers have been targeted specifically to cover for draconian cuts in local services and wage standards. As progressives we need to look at the immediate experience of the new labor coalitions that are working right now in states like the above mentioned.
Like Citizen Kabuki 101, I too believe FDL should develope a working relationship with the AFL-CIO but also with the state teachers unions. The way to grow a national labor political alliance is at the state level in coalition with local Democrats who are tryin to create a progressive and grassroots based party, sometimes in direct conflict or with the benign neglect of the state party. Here in Wisconsin, our Senate District 10 is a perfect opportunity to bypass the state party players and work directly with WEAC, the AFL-CIO and SEIU. If a new labor movement begins at the state district level using the existing public unions, it can coalesce with those progressives who have been working to change the centralized and nationalized state party organizations for years now.
Howard Dean created the infrastucture for independent state party structures and was so successful that one of the first things ObamaRahma did was to blow it up and re-centralize it in the White House through the DNC. If a strong national labor party is to evolve, it seems to me that it is going to grow out of real political campaigns at the local level that are outside the reach of the corporatist national party.
We have been given this moment in history to use what has been given to us and bring people together where they are already fighting and for the very things we all have been fighting for over the last 40 years.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, HISTORY DOESN’T WAIT!!
I will believe it when I see it!
Consider me skeptical. The unions were sure quick to push Obamacare and union execs even partnered with healthcare industry execs in an attempt to sell Obamacare.
Will he finally admit that class divisions are objective facts of capitalist societies, that these divisions cannot be reconciled under capitalism, and that is why the working people need their independent political formations, fight for ending capitalism and gain power for people who make society possible and civilization possible with their labor? Or is he just complaining that Obama and the right wing, spineless cowards Democrats are not delivering on the promises, and as soon as they throw a few bones to the AFL-CIO, the labor movement will be back in the fold with its tail behind its legs?
I’m skeptical, too, but I’m willing to listen and watch and learn. IF Trumka is *really* serious, like for real, then I’m quite willing to see where this leads.
As a former “Democratic” voter, who has also registered as an Independent, I would love to see a truly viable third party that, you know, actually represents the “common citizen,” and is not insanely beholden to the corporations and the upper 1%.
If Trumka is not able to follow through, it definitely could spell a continued slow death of the Unions, which are one of the few “hopes” we “small people” have left.
Keep talking Trumka, and furthermore: really follow through.
By the way, I think Trumka is in the upper 1%, if that makes any difference.
Citizen onitgoes:
A viable third party is going to explode out of the rotting shell of one of the existing parties, it can’t sprout out of the will and minds of disenfranchised individials. That is why I emplore you to get involved with local politics, with people and workers who have been workin’ the ground and have been lookin for more boots to make the march. If you are lucky enough to live in a state that has an ongoing recall or locally based insurgency growing then give yourself up, go knock on doors, listen to people who are already engaged. If you’re not, start with a couple of your neighbors who feel like you do, make an insurgency with folks who are already organized and just as diseffected as you.The one thing you can’t do thouigh is “sit back and listen (and) watch…” you have to get your hands dirty nobody is gunna come and teach you or come and beg you…they are all to0 busy.
I disagree. A single viable third party is not likely to emerge on its own. Voters are too afraid of the perceived greater evil.
The only way to see change is a united legacy party busting effort as I presented in No Confidence Protest Vote 2012. This would bring all third party and independent movements under the same banner. We would stand united to bring down the oligarchs. This will create space for multiple parties to compete for viability. Without standing united as American citizens we will continue to see the march of the fascist oligarchy.
I’m not so sure about that. The upper 1% is a pretty small group & obscenely wealthy. I don’t doubt that Trumka has money, but the upper 1%? Highly unlikely. Has Trumka, in the past, been *influenced* by the upper 1% and/or corporations? More likely. Therein lies the critical difference between your unattributed assertion and mine.
I noted in my comment that I am skeptical but willing to listen.
Citizen Matthew:
“A single viable third party is not going to emerge on its own.”
I guess I don’t articulate too good because that’s exactly what I’m taslkin about. We can’t reinvent the wheel here we must grow the new party out of the roting husk of the old.
I agree with you & matthewj. I’m doing what I can to be involved, and by that, I don’t mean just by blogging. Whatever we can do “on the ground” at home is very important at this time.
Citizen onitgoes:
If ya got some vacation time comin’ or need a break for awhile, come on out here…we can use all the boots we can get. Lotsa very good and interestin’ folks out here on the street.
“We can’t reinvent the wheel here we must grow the new party out of the roting husk of the old.”
In my opinion that is impossible. I’m not sure if you mean a takeover of the Dems or a new party made up of the Dem grassroots but either way is doomed to fail. DLC corporate oligarchs firmly control the party and that isn’t changing and too many of the grassroots are never going to change as long as they perceive it as guaranteed to throw at least and election cycle or two to the Republicans.
The only chance is to unite with grassroots in the center and on the right. United citizens against the oligarchs and their legacy parties is the only way. Bust the parties by getting enough to start leaving both of them at the same time but still voting for alternate candidates. That will create space for new things and will produce at least short term competition in the political arena.
Have you checked out the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy yet? That is something that might have a chance of working.
I’ll keep it in mind, Norske. It would be great to work with the good folks out your way. Pretty busy this summer, however, but I’ve contributed to the causes where I can. Best to you.
Voting isn’t about sending a message or catharsis. Especially with respect to the President, it’s about determining who shall wield tremendous power. The parties are corrupt, but not to the same degree. The Republicans are 95% corrupt (at least) with a few honorable holdouts. Many of those that aren’t corrupt are ideologically aligned with the corrupting interests to such a degree it doesn’t matter.
The Democrats are %50 corrupt. They can be saved. We can bring them back from the edge.
The choice in 2012 at the top of the ticket is likely to be stark. A centrist that throws the left a bone and does the right thing now and again, or a crazy motherfucker. You cannot in good conscience undertake a course of action that will help the crazy motherfucker win. This is not a serious alternative, and will accomplish nothing. If I’ve misunderstood how the Protest Vote would work in this respect, then my apologies…this is my big concern with “message” voting.
I’m all for pumping up quality third party candidates and / or primary challengers within the parties. Pledging can work. But mostly on the state and local level, IMO.
A merger of the Left and Labor is in fact the only viable alternative to the plutocrats. The Reagan Democrats should come home.
Thanks onitgoes. Did you check out my post about the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy and my post about Pledge Based Activism? I would love to get your feedback if you have looked at them…
Yes, I think you have misunderstood. It’s probably my fault for poor presentation. The goal is to unite all third party and independent candidates and the people who support them in order to bust the legacy parties. It may only send a message in the 2012 election but momentum must begin somewhere. This is more than just message voting. It is about breaking down the old power structures to make space for new power structures to emerge.
“The Democrats are %50 corrupt. They can be saved. We can bring them back from the edge.”
This is where we absolutely disagree. Good luck with that. They are as irredeemably corrupt as the Republicans. They just don’t press quite as hard on the gas pedal. Are you familiar with the metaphor of a boiling frog? It’s hard to tell what might be in the best long term interest of the American people at this point. Maybe turning up the heat to get them to jump out of the pot is the best course of action. I really don’t know. What I do know is that absolutely no positive change is going to come from the legacy parties. I wish I was wrong but Obama and 2 years of almost total Democratic control of congress proved this. I hope you didn’t miss the betrayal we have faced since the 2008 election.
Trumka is a blowhard and I don’t believe a word he says. Ultimately he’s a buttboy of the National Democrats and will continue to do their neo-liberal, indeed, union bashing business.
What about you bigchin? Will you join us in the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy? What do you think of it?
Interesting take on Trumka’s move, David. You have our minds whir-click-clicking about the reasons.
I admit that ever since Trumka agreed to sit on Obama’s Jobs Commission, I have been a bit suspicious of him. Here you can see that on my diary about the subject, Ms. Hamsher took me to task, arguing against my take that Labor should be on the Outside agitating, not on the Inside making nice.
I would also ask the room what we have heard from that little Commission, anyway? Some nice photo ops, to be sure, but from the Wall of Silence from the White House and the MSM, you could think that absolutely none of the MOTUs even give a flying fart about the millions unemployed.
I think Trumpka cut a video for the Austerity Teach-In that Cornell West and Frances Fox Piven were involved with, but don’t trust my memory.
It’s heresy to say, I suppose, but I wonder what Trumka is doing.
That may be the case, but I believe that large numbers of actual union members are beginning to see that the Democratic party no longer represents their interests. When you have a corporate neo-liberal as the leader of the Democratic party, the interests of unions or citizens in general are of less interest to the party. Why should union members support either the Democratic or Republican parties who have spit on them repeatedly?
Speculation is just idle. Bearing that in mind, perhaps Trumka is speaking up now due to pressure from the ranks? It’s possible Will Trumka sell out, as he has done in the past? Equally possible (but not absolutely definite).
Perhaps Trumka’s move, though, will provide an opening for the Union membership to continue the momentum and follow through. Stranger things have happened.
Still a die-hard skeptic of Trumka, but am interested in what he happens to be saying at the moment. The AFL-CIO is comprised of many more citizens than just Trumka.
Union members across the country *should* be on notice about how the Democratic party has completely sold out & no longer supports the “small people” in general, and union members in particular. Can Union members pick up the slack? Why not?
I’m still interested to see where this leads.
True in part – but tariffs are a must do if jobs and industries are to be kept in country. The competitive advantage concept only works if you keep your competitive advantage in country, and in today’s world that is no longer possible.
Ricardo is incorrect as to the final result, although your intermediate effect of tariffs allow higher domestic prices is certainly true – indeed allowing higher domestic prices means keeping jobs here – and that is a good.
A WallMart economy is a race to the bottom.
Both Labor and the Left have been evicted from the Democratic Party so they are natural allies.
There will be NO CHANGE comming from the Democrats or Republicans.
We MUST take back our government from those who have corrupted it. The Democrats and Republiacans have no intentions of helping us. Why would they… they have gotten where they are at as a result of the corrupt current system. They have no intentions of standing up to corruption… because thats where they get their power, influence and campaign contributions.
The two political partys are hopelessly and helplessly corrupt… and there is NO saving them.
The two party system has failed. The time has come to stand up to the two corrupt political partys.
In spite of what the “media” wants people to believe, namely, that we are a “right leaning” country,if we continue the current destructive economic policies toward labor, I believe even the conservative labor members will recognize that neither party represents their interests.
So, who do you put in office when both parties are so corrupted? The “lesser of two evils” concept doesn’t work if both parties will destroy your livelihood at the drop of a hat to benefit the interests of the wealthy and powerful. It also means you lose all integrity by completely voting against your own interests. Perhaps real leaders who truly in their hearts want to put the interests of the American people first will emerge.
Matthew… I agree with you.
There is no saving either of the two corrupt political partys. They are too far gone and they have no intentions of standing up to their corruptors. All have benefited from the current corrupt system and they have no intentions of changing it. The change will have to come from the American people-voters.
The answer in with Independent [not affiliated with any political party] voters. Independent voters are ready and willing to vote for candidates OTHER than corrupt Democrats and corrupt Republicans.
We must break the back of the corrupt two party system. Neither party represents the Amreican people. We must have to courage to stand up to corruption.
There are only 2 possibilities: either the Democratic Party is retaken from the corporatists or there must be a Third Party. I don’t see any other way forward. In either case, the alliance of Labor and the Left must continue and should accelerate since, as you say, the corporatist policies from the plutocracy are hardly abating. In fact, there is an air of fury about the corporatists now; whether it is because they smell blood or because they are frightened I can’t tell. Probably some of each.
Democrats should worry when the “loyalist” position is that they are only 50% corrupt. I would seriously love to see the Democratic party replaced with a true Labor-oriented party. There are a lot of difficulties with this, the greatest of which is that Labor would be almost completely without power while dismantling the Democratic machine. I personally don’t think we can afford this right now. I wish the alternative to the Democrats was the Republican Party of 1970. But it’s the Republican Party of 2011 and it’s too dangerous to risk handing over more power.
But I guess we’ll get to see this dynamic in action in such places as Florida, Wisconsin, Indiana, et al. The backlash in those places might be exactly the model for a new party. It might even be just the impetus we need. On the other hand, the country may melt down into chaos before any good comes of it.
“Democrats should worry when the “loyalist” position is that they are only 50% corrupt.”
I agree Bear. That should worry them. What should worry us is that there are still loyalists! And there are also reluctant and fearful supporters!
The problem with this attitude is that it’s only going to get worse. If we don’t act now we’ll end up with the Fascist Party and Police State of 2020 or an uprising that is either violent or met with violence. Do you really think things will get better by putting off the inevitable?
Many on the right feel as disenchanted as you do. We need to unite and take power back from the oligarchs. After that you can compete with the right directly without the oligarchs in the middle.
But, when is the right time? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years…after any possibility of regaining our “republic” has been lost? My family members have voted for or been active participants (including running for office) in the Democratic party for over 80 years because it was the “peoples party”. My father would turn over in his grave to see it become the corporate neo-liberal party.
I watched a dramatic change occur when President Clinton voted and promoted NAFTA. Although I was vocally against it at the time and ever since because of the effect on unions, I decided to continue with the party. Then George W. Bush went the next step with the neo-liberal/neo-conservative corporate policies and I continued to believe the Democratic party would return to the “peoples party”. I was wrong and after decades of watching it disintegrate into a corporate neo-liberal party, I don’t believe it can be taken back from within. I truly believe if we want any semblance of a supposed “democracy”, we need to join as citizens and fight back against the corporate Democratic and Republican parties.
The Civil Rights movement was a success (as far as it was a success) because it stayed within itself as a movement for its own goals. This is what you do: you set your goals, attack them directly and generate your own power and support. You don’t “go to” anybody for support. You generate your own power and have people cone to you.
This is the way the labor movement lost its power – it learned to depend on the democrats instead of having the democrats depend on it. Eventually the civil rights movement lost its power also in the same way.
Whether it happens in a timely way or only after decades of Fascist oppression and poverty, it will be the working class acting in solidarity that ultimately prevails. Only the working class (the people – soon we will all be working class) has the muscle to defeat the Police State.
Some of you say you have left the Democratic Party. You might want to drop Mr. Trumka a note encouraging him to do likewise.
Second.
Exactly! I suggest in the No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy that we set our goal as busting the legacy parties of the oligarchs by uniting with folks from all sides of the aisle. Part of my plan for generating our own power is presented in On The Power Of Pledge Based Activism. I think these ideas have a great chance of success. Then we can compete directly without the oligarchs in and fascists in between. What do you say about this for a goal?
As 2012 gets near, I hope that voters realize in the end there is only one way to vote. FOR THE F–IN PARTY THAT WILL HELP THE PEOPLE.
Which one do you think that is pgrllights? Certainly neither of the legacy parties. By uniting in a No Confidence Protest Vote in 2012 we can create space for other parties that will help the people to be heard.
Absolutely!
BeachPopulist, did you see my reply to this same quote a little ways up thread? You may find the articles I linked to of interest if you haven’t read them already. I would love to hear your opinion on them…
I was a Democrat and a Union man when the Unions were at the peak of their power. Bill Clinton and the New Democrats got a better offer and kicked us to the curb. That’s how we got the Uniparty. That’s how everybody lost their power.
Bill Clinton…. I just threw up my Milk Shake….No one worked for the slide of the Middle class & Unions into irrelevance like Bill Clinton did.
Absolutely, The Repubs and Dems are working for the exact same people. They talk a little differently but they work like a husband and wife team. There’s a little dickering, some spats, some “Let’s do it my way”, and some “I told ya so’s” …but they work together to serve the elite and serving the elite means funneling money to them and forcing people to work for slave wages with zero security. That’s just what both parties have served up destroying lives, jobs, businesses, and families like a never ending twister that answers to no one.
I will send FDL my membership fee when they get behind a real option and real change and that will be when the phony Dem party and their Fakeout Prez Obama are dropped as an option. We’ll get nothing playing with the two headed Elite party but more of the same. Thank God for Trumka and his courage to say Unions are no longer playing along.
LABOR PARTY. YES WE WILL!!! FAMILY, JOBS, HEALTH CARE!!
LOL!
I’m not sure that’s what Jane has in mind when she says she wants FDL to be accountable to the community but I do hope it works! I wonder how many others feel the same way you do…
Read the Article, and Sam Stein at Huffpo wrote on this and had an link to an earlier Salon article. The smaller unions are pushing this.
Unlike some here, I have no clue whether Trumka and the AFL-CIO will back up their words with action.
I hope that they will.
Unions needed to take this step long ago.
When this nation has arrived at a point where firefighters, teachers, nurses, and cops are getting screwed in collective bargaining, we’ve truly screwed the pooch.
Smart move by the unions; overdue, but I don’t see that either party has left them with any other realistic strategy.
I do care what labor “leaders” say, and I also don’t give a flying fuck.
IF they are keep supporting LOTE LOTE LOTE fucking sell outs,
then – ha ha ha – they’re on their own.
I WILL spend time ridiculing & demeaning and insulting the pathetic craven sacks of shit – AND NOTHING ELSE.
(pst! I just spent last weekend in Tacoma WA. at the WEA annual meeting. I do more than sit in mummy’s basement.)
rmm.
Beer. You can spell it any way you want of course. And have any color/colour of flag you want for it too.