The right wing along with the Likudniks in Israel have ginned up a passel of fake outrage over President Obama’s comment in his Middle East speech that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.” This undercut Israel, according to this theory, threw them under the bus, etc.
But if you listen to non-Likudniks in the region, you would know that Obama’s speech was actually far more deferential to Israel, and inspired more disappointment than anything else in the Arab world. This has not been a feature of the debate in this country.
But it happens to be true. Here’s UCLA Political Science Professor Steven Spiegel of the Israel Policy Forum, with a little reality check:
In agreement with Israel, the President did not offer in detail a list of American positions on all key issues as many in the foreign policy community had urged him to do, he rejected the idea of an imposed peace—a favorite rallying cry of Israel’s opponents for years, he did not call for immediate Israeli concessions on settlements, he denounced the Palestinian plans for a UN General Assembly vote in favor of their independence in September, he spoke out against Palestinian efforts to delegitimize Israel, advocated a “non-militarized” Palestinian state, questioned the Palestinian unity agreement between Fatah and Hamas and put the burden of proof on the Palestinians. Obama pointedly asked, “How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist?” He framed the conflict in a classic Zionist perspective, arguing that – “a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people, each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace”. The President spoke about the close US-Israeli relationship and its need for security. As some Palestinians are already complaining, he did not celebrate close relations between the U.S. and Palestine. No shared history and values; no “unshakeable” commitment to their security.
And perhaps most surprising of all, and ignored by the press, Obama proposed that negotiations should begin by addressing the issues of territory and security and that these should be settled during a transition period before the parties move on to Jerusalem and refugees. This format is precisely what many Israelis and their supporters have argued for years.
Spiegel is absolutely correct, and this is underlined by the perspective of Palestinians in the region. Indeed they saw nothing much in the speech that gives them hope of a peaceful settlement, and certainly not after Netanyahu’s rejection of what has been US policy on the starting point of negotiations for decades.
Mr. (Nabil) Shaath (a leading Fatah official) said that Mr. Obama’s speech conceded most issues to the Israelis, including viewing Israel as a Jewish state, opposing the plans for United Nations recognition and criticizing the Fatah faction for its recent reconciliation pact with Hamas, which the United States designates as a terrorist organization.
On the refugee issue, one of most delicate and intractable in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Mr. Obama managed to upset both sides. Mr. Shaath criticized the president for suggesting that refugees could be left, like the status of Jerusalem, for discussion at a later stage after the subjects of borders and security. The Israelis were critical that Mr. Obama failed to spell out that the solution for Palestinian refugees of the 1948 war and their descendants lay not in Israel, but within the borders of a future Palestinian state [...]
Palestinian officials brushed aside the statements by Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu that the recent pact between Fatah and Hamas raises serious problems and requires answers from the Palestinian leadership. Fatah leaders said that the reconciliation was an internal affair that had nothing to do with the peace process.
Perhaps the dampened hopes of restarting negotiations reflects the swift Israeli rejections of the 1967 borders as a launching point for talks, and not the finer points of Obama’s speech. But it’s fair to say that the speech just wasn’t that well-received by the Palestinians or their Arab allies. This statement from an Egyptian activist is representative:
‘On her part, political activist Asma Mahfuz, one of the leaders of the 25 January revolution, expressed anger at Obama’s speech. She told Al-Sharq al-Awsat: “I do not understand the reason for Obama’s talk in which he glorified the Arab revolutions since his administration and the previous US Administrations have supported the dictatorship regimes in the Middle East throughout the past years, and we heard this talk in Obama’s speech in Cairo.”
Mahfuz added: “We say to Obama: Play another trick. We believe that this speech has come to break Israel’s isolation and to support it after its feeling of a full siege. Obama has repeated more than once and emphasized the US friendship with Israel at a time when he expressed concern over the reconciliation agreement between Fatah and HAMAS, in which Egypt played a great role to achieve.” She added that Obama is trying, through voicing support for civil society’s organizations that are not recognized, to give the impression of a US role in paving the way for the Arab revolutions, which is something inaccurate.
Obama may not take back the ’67 borders comment at the AIPAC conference tomorrow morning, but certainly it will be a very Israel-friendly appearance, and the grievances will only continue.
There’s just not a lot of trust in the relationship between the US and the Muslim world, even now. Yet a false narrative has been put forward that this speech antagonized Israel and cuddled up to the Palestinians. In fact practically the opposite it true. This intentional misreading creates despair for the Palestinians for any hope for peace, which I have to think was the intention.





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I agree that Obama’s big speech was not much at all. Netayanu’s reaction was insulting. I believe that the President will be booed at AIPAC.
Time to call for a reduction in aid. Maybe that will get the right wing Israeli government’s attention.
“No war without Egypt, no peace without Syria.”
Israel is doomed. In about 50 years the Muslim population will overwhelm the Jewish population. Israel’s only hope is to either make a deal with the Palestinians, or provide a better life for the Muslims than the Muslim can make for themselves.
The article makes no mention of where the thumb of his other hand was.
Just like everything else Obama has had his hands on, he has failed to carve out a position and go with it.
Again, another Obama trick. Take tiny meaningless little steps and then pronounce that he went carefully trying to get things right or just about right. The man knows not one thing about negotiations and always starts from the point of, “I’ll be there to lead, but ya’ll go ahead and we’ll see how it turns out”.
If anyone still thinks that Obama is a leader or has a stance on anything that does not involve cargo ships full of money they have not been paying attention!
Exactly, Dday…! 8-(
Let’s be frank,
1. Netanyahu rejected the position.
2. The ’67 borders were rejected with a reference to Auschwitz
3. The Israeli hard liners have made it clear for years they intend to possess the West Bank
4. There is no trust on either side.
5. The two state solution is a chimera. See 1, 2 and 3.
6. A one state solution is not acceptable to the Israeli hard liners (it would mean the end of the Jewish state).
Ergo: There is no solution. The situation will continue.
Please remind me: The Romans, did something unique in their history, the diaspora, We did the Romans choose that solution? The Romans were no so gentle with Carthaginians, and did not put the populace in Israel to the sword.
Here is Bibi’s Likud Party platform…
Some key grafs…
Ya know, I had forgotten about the water situation. I thought that had been settled, but evidently not. I always felt the water situation was the cause of all the agression from both sides.
Bibi’s constant lecturing and playing the victim is sickening. I don’t want any more of my money going to Israel.
right?
how can people not see this yet?
the recent human rights abuses in the recent Gaza war only lead to more hatred and conflict. 500+ civilians killed?
will their families EVER forget? would you? would I?
they have codified their hatred for each other. senseless violence continued perpetually.
and last time I checked, they are surrounded by Muslims.
Egypt just fell. now what?
what happens when things reach their eventual conclusion – outright slaughter?
and then what? nukes? all the countries in that area that are Muslim?
oh come on. this ain’t rocket science.
they are creating their own end. they are provoking their own demise.
even if they nuke the entire area, that whole are, supposedly “holy” (highly doubtful considering all the hate and violence in that area), will be unlivable.
this ain’t God’s plan. this is the plan of madmen.
I just don’t get it. do they honestly think in some delusion they can continue as things are? with force? are these people mentally unstable? don’t they understand that this can NOT end well.
even if they use nukes, the other side will just shrug it off? or will there a mass slaughter the likes of which no one has ever seen? and then will the US get involved? maybe nuke Iran?
this is just complete insanity. mass delusion. not one rational thought by anyone in power.
if 42% of the Jewish people in the world live in Israel (and 45% in the US, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population), amount to 5.8 million in Israel, then how does this end well???
what happens when it goes bad? where will they go?
don’t these people understand it’s in their own self interest to have peace and stability in the region?
and blaming the warmongers in that area and generalizing that to all Muslims isn’t helping them. the current path is not sustainable. why can’t these people see that?
The seizure of the Golan Heights was primarily to secure the headwaters for Israel’s main watersheds…! 8-(
Yeah, but I seriously thought they had made some settlement on the water years ago. I guess Isreal forgets all the agreements and just goes about what they want.
…had made some settlement on the water years ago…
*heh* They’ve definitely ‘made’ Settlements over the best aquifers in the West Bank for years now…!
Gotta keep those Settlers’ Olympic pools well supplied…!
And the water in the Litani River to the north is a primary reason for the constant attempts for war with Lebanon.
I fully agree that Israel’s hands are not clean but neither are the Palastinians. Arab states Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria,Lybia etc have never accepted Israel and have stated there goal is to destroy Israel. Israel did capture the Golan for water and because Syria and others were lobbing rockets into Israel from there. Would that not make you a bit paranoid if you lived there. The Jewish people have been persecuted at least since Roman times do you not think that would give you a complex. How do you make peace with people that want to kill you. Everybody on here is slamming Israel I do not see anyone slamming the Arabs for what they have done to Israel.
For Obama, justice for the Palestinians is the ME analog to the public option in domestic healthcare.
Oh snap…! Please give GIYUS my best regards…!
All ‘peoples’ have been grievously persecuted at one time or other (though Firedoglake members not so much if at all).
Why do you say Iran is an Arab state?
Isn’t that a song?
“Give my regards to GIYUS
Remember me to Pollard Square…”
*heh* I was thinking more along the lines of this tune…! ;-)
Israel knows full well that the US government will back them no matter what they do.
This is all just Empty Rhetoric by Obama… something he does often.
I think this is pretty predictable when Obama’s speech was supposed to be some big transformational deal, but all Obama said were the same things the US has been saying for 20 years – those responses of outrage filled the expectations vacuum left by Obama pretending that he’s being hopeychangy.
Nice. This confirms something I’ve been saying for a bit: there is more than just a bunch of right wingnuts in Israel.
More evidence here.
Ma’an had this interesting item…
i.e., “Keep sucking, putz.”
It is about time that Obama and the Congress prove they have balls by stop getting pushed around by these pests, Israel and its so-called supporters.
In AIPAC speech Obama should say:
Hey A**H****, I apologize for 1967 border comments. What I really meant to say is that the Palestinian state should be established within 1947 BORDER. And, then, Obama should give Israel finger salute.
The “Israel finger salute,” eh? That’s maybe the best name for that gesture I’ve ever heard.
“No no, Bibi! This means I’m supporting Israel! See this? This is the “I” in Israel! Look – Israel! Israel!”
O/T
“$1bn fraud at Kabul Bank puts UK’s Afghan pull-out in peril “LINK.
Am I living in the abode of condemned souls? His speech is just another political fart dance for the The State Of Israel and AIPAC money crowd.This Joe Lieberman wannabe left out the Palestinians right to return and dividing of Jerusalem. He thinks these important parts of the agreement can be left up-to osmosis.
Peace won’t work in this area, especially between Israel and its neighbors. There will continue to be a series of increasingly violent wars, leading at some point to the employment of at least one nuclear weapon.
Moshe Dayan admitted that Israel provoked the Syrians over the Golan Heights so they could take it. Just like there was other reasons they destroyed the USS Liberty, Navy technical research ship, before the 6 day war. (Regardless of the political explanations given, the survivors know it was no mistake.)
Here’s just one reference, although others contain more details, I don’t have my links handy. The problem with Israels running list of slights, attacks, etc.. just like with the Golan Heights it’s always out of context. There is always more than one side to history, but you wont learn it from the zionists.
What we have now, in reality, is the Israel trying to wipe Palestinians and any record of their history in the holy land off the map, as CTuttle has so kindly laid out the Likud Charter. did you read it?
There is a big difference between ending a racist government and ending lives of people, and the most anti-zionists palestinians have never said they wanted to kill the all the jews. if you disagree, I challenge you find a reference to something other than heresay. Incidentally, the Arabs wanted a single state from the beginning.
Obama is kicking the can down the road until the UN General Assembly votes and by a 2/3 majority Palestine will be recognized, and at that time, with upgraded status, as a state it will have the UN on it’s side to achieve sovereignty over it’s territory.
It’s actually a good thing that Obama didn’t give them one crumb, and even more that Bibi continues to show that he is intractable and incapable of negotiating.
This clarifies the issues for the UN General Assembly members, that the situation will not change until the power relatons change.
Amen. His whole speech, like his entire administration, is all bullshit. All smoke and mirrors. He isn’t doing anything that lobbyists haven’t signed off on. I can’t wait for history to write their view of this time. The downfall of America and the corrupt government servicing the monied interests alone.
Sometimes Timing is everything.
Obama lectured a day before a scheduled meeting.
That was perceived as every bit as disrespectful as some are viewing Obama having to listen to the Israeli prime minister lecturing him.
He should have waited and acted like he was in actual discussions to help.
Instead he lectured prior to any meeting.
Perceptions are everything.