Bipartisan talks on increasing the nation’s debt limit, which have morphed into a wider discussion about deficit reduction, resume today. Republicans in recent weeks have said that they will only raise the debt limit by a dollar amount equal to the amount of long-term savings. Therefore, a $2 trillion increase in the debt limit – probably enough to get through the 2012 elections – would have to be accompanied by $2 trillion in deficit reduction.
Despite the charges and counter-charges over Paul Ryan’s budget and the end of Medicare as we know it, today’s session will be focused on Medicare and health care spending in general:
The Tuesday session, which will be held on Capitol Hill, is expected to focus on healthcare spending, according to a source close to the discussions.
Analysts at the non-partisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimate that savings to the U.S. budget deficit of between $25 billion and $130 billion could be achieved over 10 years by increasing the costs to people in the Medicare healthcare program for the elderly.
Biden’s group has initially focused on areas where the two sides can most easily agree.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that these areas could yield deficit savings of between $1 and $2 trillion over the next decade.
Potential savings in Medicaid will also be a feature of today’s talks, and we already know that Medicaid is in peril, with a less-publicized but just as harmful plan that would kick millions off the rolls in play.
As much as the Ryan budget was a catastrophic political mistake for House Republicans, these talks – particularly today’s focus – offers an opportunity for Ryan and the GOP to save face. If they get a budget deal, especially one with cuts to Medicare or Medicaid, they can credibly say that their boldness to talk frankly about entitlements ended up succeeding in chipping away at the problem. And Democrats could hardly position themselves as the defenders of Medicare if they enact a grand bargain that shifts cost-sharing onto seniors. But while Democrats would essentially let the GOP off the hook in such a scenario, there would be appeal for Obama to do so, particularly since achieving a “grand bargain” on the deficit has been one of his early goals:
Obviously, a big winner out of a deal like that would be Obama himself, who could take a major issue off the table and demonstrate his ability to work in a bipartisan fashion, and solidify himself amongst affluent independents. There would, however, be a couple huge losers. One is the Republican presidential nominee, who could still run on the economy but would face a steeper climb. The other, bigger loser is House Democrats, who would forfeit what might be their only chance for a long time to take back the House.
The “winners” in this deal have the ability to implement it: the White House, along with the House GOP. The “losers” don’t – the Republican nominee has no vote, and for all intents and purposes the House Democrats don’t either. More liberal Senate Democrats could step up and stop this huge mistake from happening, but if reconciliation is used to achieve these Medicare and Medicaid savings, the threshold for passage would only be 50 votes, an easier hurdle if there’s buy-in from enough Republicans.
The major assumption here is that House Republicans could stomach making a deal of this magnitude with the President, and a lesser assumption is that the Senate Democratic leadership would demand next to nothing in order for it to happen. Democrats and the White House have demanded revenue increases as part of a deal, and Republicans like Mitch McConnell have actually shifted their rhetoric subtly to accommodate this, changing their opposition to taxes to an opposition to “tax rates” (closing loopholes would then be eligible). But that doesn’t mean they would keep to their word, or that their rank and file would oblige any leadership deal. Most of them are still raging at anyone who won’t agree to destroy Medicare, despite how this has dragged down their party.
The rift is wide enough that this remains a longshot. But they wouldn’t be talking about it today if it couldn’t happen.





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The only way that Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid can be presented as being ‘broke’ is by accepting the concept that wage earners have no right to their share of the economic pie, and that corporate welfare is the proper object of national economic measures. It would take some backing off but that is where Democratic officeholders should begin.
UH-OH.
I’ve been having this feeling that most of the “Savings” in this ginned up propaganda war against the American people will come from Medicaid.
Who was it who said this “deficit” thing has been the most successful propaganda campaign in American history? Greenwald, I think.
Us poor, sick and old are gonna be hurtin’ for certain
You really think they’d say that?
Sorry, guys, this was always the plan. There will be no price for the Rs to pay in 2012.
When did the American people become such good little Germans?
Hopefully you mean Nazi Germans, Germans today would stand for it.
this is just another example of what Prof West (Chris H/Ralph N) have been saying about Obama….I will not vote for Obama and in my own little way I am working on some progressives friends of mine to do the same…maybe Obama’s rich friends will vote for him but not me…it is either a 3rd party candidate or “none of the above” pox on all of them…hey Ed S are you paying attention to this nonsense? This is more of the same…Americans wanted single payer and what did Obama give us? Come on Ed I think you are a good guy but wake up buddy!
Exactly.
This Deficit agreement plan is so far off the mark of Fair and Balanced!
I think we need to scream it from the rooftops! Unbalanced Deficit plans and Mentally Unbalanced Congress Members!
David,
You have mail regarding the Deficit and behind the scenes.
Should have been wouldn’t stand for it. Time to hit the garden
Cornell West has more guts than our entire Dem Congress has! He said a good deal but IMO he could have said a lot more!
Biden will be Obama’s piss-boy and let the GOPers off the hook. Then ‘O’ can crow about how bipartisan-y he is while Democrats in general get butt-fucked again and the GOP makes more inroads.
There is no savings if the same expense continues to exist and is just to be paid by someone else.
I’ve been watching and reading everything I can about Congress members and their views on this Deficit Bargain.
Has anyone else noticed how the Dems are coming up with all sorts of excuses as to why they “MUST” find some agreement with the repugs and Ryan plan? It really turns my stomach to watch them on camera. What is wrong with telling the repugs HELL NO? They had no problem doing so the past two years.
Exactly! See any stoops in Congress with that common sense?
Actually a little bird told me that the Democrats are in on this too. Remember Obama’s appointment to the Social Security Trustees, Reischauer. He’s pushing a reduced COLA that will act to reduce the value of your SS benefit over time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-and-merton-bernstein/upcoming-budget-battle-th_b_853275.html?
The Committee for Irresponsible Federal Budget Cutting referred to in this article is a Peter Peterson astroturf think tank staffed with his ditto heads.
There is no place to “shift” savings onto the seniors and the disabled.
We don’t have any fucking money! NONE!
All the more reason to work to replace them! No more incumbants for the next 6 voting seasons. Let them know we mean business and demand representation of the people.
The Teahadists think so. They want all that SS/Medicare/Medicaid funding to go poof in the night.
Meanwhile, Congress is quickly pushing the new “Defense Authorization” bill through congress, with about 800 billion for more war AND it gives the president, any president the power to declare war WITHOUT Congressional approval.
Call your Reps and Senators, it can’t hurt:
The Worst Bill Ever in Congress
I see you’ve bought the propaganda
So many places to invade and so little time. These people are manifestly insane.
No… I don’t see the propaganda any more.
I had to turn in my cable box last summer. No money for cable, copays, and deductables. The cable had to go.
There is no hope for the Democrats. You win political fights by fighting not caving in. Then again when your party is led by the Chief Caver in, what other outcome would one expect.
I wouldn’t call it a political mistake until the results are in. The Democrats have already cut Medicare via Obamacare and that’s been called some great healthcare victory. If there’s some “grand bargain,” don’t be surprised to hear how all these cuts and cost shifting are really rainbows and ice cream cones…as we hear now about Obamacare.
I wish more seniors knew that end-of-life care is ALL paid through Medicaid, not Medicare. The Dems seem to let that go right on by in their ads.
Like any spoiled child, the Repugs can’t make it one way, they’ll get it another. Dems will cave on the debt ceiling making Soc Sec and Medicare still in the cross hairs. This is one serious bunch and should never be counted out as opposed to the Dems who will give in to “save the country”.
The assumption is always that Democrats cave rather than getting what they want. Look at Obama’s backroom deal with HCR where he only pretended that he wanted things like the PO and Democrats spent years lying about how they’d pass drag re-importation if they got in the majority. Democrats being perceived as caving lets them deflect focus away to the Republicans as Democrats act like theives in the night.
The Democrats can do nothing (Wall St. will force the limit to be raised) and kill the Republicans in 2012 or Obama can get his “Grand Bargain.”
I wonder what will happen….
Kabuki needs rotating villains to be truly effective…
It doesn’t matter what the majority of people in the country want and need. The only thing that matters to this bought and paid-for congress and pres will do is what the ptb want. The dims have a second chance to crush the repugs and get rid of this cancer eating our nation’s body politic, but they won’t. As said above, the dims will cave and present it as a “great victory for the nation.” Then the obamabots will sing his praises and remind the rest of us how evil we were for undermining him.
I have been leaving comments everywhere I see this talk about what a “catastrophic mistake” the Republicans are making here. They are going to win and get what they want. And the Democrats are going to help them.
The Democrats and Republicans are both working to accomplish the same thing and serve the same interests – and those interests are not those of the working people of America.
Then the obamabots will sing his praises and remind the rest of us how evil we were for undermining him.”
I agree – spot on comment.
I notice that no one mentions that the MedicaidMedicare problem exists because health insurance reform had no real cost controls – just sold lies from an MIT health economist about all the money that would be saved via exchanges that start in 2014. Only the Vermont single payer plan bothered to include cost controls – wonder if Obama and Congress will give it a waiver from HCR so it can start up?