The Congressional Democratic leaders who have the role of winning elections are giddy about the NY-26 results. They want to replicate them all over the country. Sen. Patty Murray, head of the DSCC, thinks Democrats will now have seats they can win in 2012, despite defending more than twice as many seats in the election cycle. And Rep. Steve Israel, head of the DCCC, thinks nearly 100 seats are put in play, including Paul Ryan’s, as a result of NY-26:
WASHINGTON — In the wake of Tuesday night’s upset victory in upstate New York’s special election, the head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is expanding his horizons, pinpointing nearly 100 House seats that could present favorable match-ups for Democrats in 2012. He is also refocusing attention on unseating House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).
“We have an excellent Democratic candidate named Rob Zerban who got into the race largely because he couldn’t tolerate Paul Ryan’s leadership on a plan to terminate Medicare, while funding tax cuts for big oil companies,” DCCC Chair Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) told The Huffington Post in a late-night interview Tuesday. “So that’s one district where the political landscape may change.”
“In addition to that, there are 97 congressional districts currently represented by a Republican that are more moderate than New York 26,” he added. “So there are 97 Republican members of Congress who are probably losing a lot of sleep tonight.”
Needless to say, if Democrats make some kind of deal to slash Medicare or Medicaid this would all be ruined. The tea leaves this morning have actually been pretty good on that front. Gene Sperling savaged Paul Ryan’s Medicaid block grant plan today, putting the Administration on the record on that aspect for the first time I can remember. The Senate plans to hold a snap vote on the Ryan budget resolution – which cannot be filibustered, by the way, so Republicans can’t avoid this vote – as early as today. Harry Reid totally dismissed the idea that more Medicare cuts are on the table in the Biden deficit negotiations, saying “You must know a lot more about Medicare and the Biden plan than I do because at this stage we haven’t touched Medicare.”
But the gravitational pull for Democrats to be “serious” and push for “responsible” cuts to the social safety net is inescapable. Check out the Big Dog, Bill Clinton, chatting up Paul Ryan behind the scenes of that Pete Peterson-funded fiscal summit today.
Clinton praised the Democratic victory in NY-26 yesterday but added, “I hope Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing.”
Ryan responds: “My guess is it’s going to sink into paralysis is what’s going to happen. And you know the math. It’s just, I mean, we knew we were putting ourselves out there. You gotta start this. You gotta get out there. You gotta get this thing moving.”
They parted with Clinton telling Ryan that if he ever wanted to talk about it, he should “give me a call.”
Bill Clinton was the ultimate DLC guy in office, and a lot of his economic team is sitting in the Obama White House. They don’t want an excuse to do nothing either, I’d suspect.
Except doing nothing is the best hope of actually keeping safety net benefits at current levels. If you “do nothing,” the Bush tax cuts expire, tax rates go back to what they were under Bill Clinton when we created 23 million new jobs, and the medium-term deficit goes away completely. Doing nothing is a pretty darn good idea, at least compared to the alternatives.
And lest we forget, there’s a jobs crisis and a demand shortfall happening in the country at the moment.
(Big Dog even undercut the Democratic message on the debt limit, by saying a default event would be “not that calamitous” if it were temporary. He tried to clean up the remark later through a spokesman, but it was really damaging.)
I continue to think we’ll have to rely on Republican intransigence and gridlock to get through this period. As Digby says:
This is actually good news because it indicates that the Republicans are so delusional that they will never agree to even the kind of fake tax hikes the corporate Dems are more than willing to give them in exchange for the cuts in “entitlements” so they think they need to sell themselves as “fiscally responsible.” As I’ve been harping for months — with the Republicans having gone completely over the cliff and the Democrats ready to compromise on anything in order that the Villagers finally acknowledge them as “grown-ups” the best thing that could happen is gridlock. Since it’s unlikely that the Democrats will ever draw a real line in the sand we have to depend upon Grover Norquist and Paul Ryan to stay crazy. Looks like that’s not going to be a problem.
Let’s hope so.





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And Obama is the ultimate DLC guy now in office.
Which is why it’s so funny to hear the “if Hillary’d won we’d have single-payer by now” crowd yammering about what a sellout Obama is. If there were any significant differences between the Clintons’ world view and Obama’s, she wouldn’t be his Secretary of State. In fact, the one time Obama was on the verge of doing the right thing and providing meaningful opposition to the coup in Honduras, right in its first hours when it still could have been stopped by US intervention, Clinton friend Lanny Davis — who just happens to be in the pay of the golpistas — stepped in to nip that in the bud.
Why is Clinton regarded as a ‘Big Dog’? Talk about a failure as a President much less a human being.
And he’ll never leave us alone. He loves the attention too much.
a bubble economy built on unprecedented private sector dis-saving. it created jobs only until it all crashed. now, THAT was unsustainable.
if the medium term fed govt deficit goes away, we’re fucked.
has anyone ever made that comment here? don’t think so.
obama IS a sellout. and that has nothing to do with clinton.
meanwhile, in a country ruled by a certain amount of logic we have:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,762363,00.html
Re the Pete Peterson gig. I just laughed out loud at the NPR “All Things Considered” coverage of it that just aired a couple of minutes ago. They said it was attended by “serious and weighty” thinkers. This is exactly the ridiculous meme that Krugman’s been skewering for months. NPR’s just lapping that up. No surprises there.
more common sense from the German minster of the environment:
“This means that we must end the economic use of nuclear energy and embark on the path to the age of renewable energy, as called for under the German government’s energy concept in the fall of 2010. Now we must take this path more quickly and decisively.
The prospects of this happening are good, because there is almost universal, cross-party consensus for it.
And, contrary to what some critics are saying, Germany is not going its own way in pursuing this approach.
We must be trailblazers and show that this path is feasible, especially in a highly industrialized country like Germany. If we proceed successfully, others will follow.
It is important to recognize that the path into the age of renewable energy does not mean giving up our high standard of living. On the contrary, it is of central importance to maintaining our standard of living in the future and thus an imperative of forward-looking economic prudence.”
wow.
I wish we had that kind of thinking here in North America.
It’s worth paying attention to Germany. Their economy is booming, they are using renewable technology, they are going to slash carbon emissions, and they will be selling this stuff around the world.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,759228,00.html
So. Big Dog wants the Dems to do something about the deficit. Did he say anything about raising revenues? Rescinding the Bush tax cuts? Collecting taxes from corporations?
Bet he didn’t.
Why would anyone give a wet slap what Clinton thinks ?
I hope you don’t get caught with a young girly Bill.
I hope Bill Clinton chokes on his cigar smoke.
Him and Oprah and The Judds, none of them will ever truly go away.
We *do* have that kind of thinking in North America! Unfortunately, none of it is in the government.
Ding!
Nonsense
Hillary is a liberal – Bill is not
Hard to keep them separate I guess.
Besides I suspect you missed the point – in 93 Hillary was the only voice in power to push for single payer. She was shot down by Bill before he gave her the task force. If elected in 2008 she, unlike Obama, would have pushed for the public option nose under the tent for single payer – she was mot lying in her campaign speeches, Obama was.
The big dog at the moment is not Clinton but Biden, and he has apparently accepted Medicare cuts if there are also revenue increases to the budget.
Bloomberg, May 25:
Tell Bill I am open to tax increases on the rich:) Hands off Medicare, Social Security etc Bill eat you own doughnut hands off mine.
The rich got a bailout with my money already I want the same favor.
I hope Ryan doesn’t now have a stain on his dress, I mean: shirt.
I feel like a mushroom. I keep “hearing” about cuts in spending coming but have no idea what they are talking about– how deep, what impact, when and where? Why no talk about ending these fing wars or increasing taxes? Are we really going to attack the elderly and the poor to pay down the debt?
BIDEN IS A LITTLE MAN WITH LITTLE VISION FROM A LITTLE STATE, OWNED BY CORPORATIONS.
Exactamundo!
There is no way the Dems will be able to carry this through if they try to bargain any of those items away. They need to say No, Hell NO, and N-O means no. Off the table, out of the room, and out of the discussion. That is the way for the Dems to carry on and forgettabout Clinton and his advice. Look where and how that got you in the mid-terms and end of the year tax-break/hostage taking playup!
Well I know I’m truely happy that no money will taken away from dod and taxes on the rich elite. Why should they sure in the pain of Main Street:) Nothing but theater and Main Street Loses, please let me know if it ever changes
Clinton is the GOP lackey who destroyed welfare and made sure NAFTA raped the middle class (with help from Rahm).
Amen. Biden is a fucking lapdog.
If anyone’s still wondering why empires fall…
Bill Clinton is stepping all over a progressive victory and deliberately helping to keep the shitty Ryan plan on the table.
And Bill Clinton is a fucking piece of shit.
I believe that is what Bill Clinton was referring to as “doing something about the deficit” – he does have an increase in taxes on his record.
I did not see or hear of a Bill Clinton comment that said he wanted Medicare on the table.
In fact, today we do hear of Obama folk discussing the cuts – on MSNBC – as not cuts – just finding better ways to do things that were left out of the HRB. So Obama is packaging his cuts as “better ways” – nothing to get upset about – while Bill Clinton is giving a very general “take care of the deficit in planning future budgets”. Seems a bit different.
So Bill Clinton has joined Obama as the latest Petey Peterson poodle. Bill Clinton can go to hell with his investment bankster friends. Hey Big Dog, how much of Petey Peterson’s money did it take to buy you? Actually Peterson is bankrolling his theft of Social Security from the Bankster Toxic assets, our taxes.
Well, the dumb fuck should have known that is how it would be interpreted.
Yes – that is what I hear in Biden’s words-
put a minor tax increase on the table and we will find “cost saving better ways to do Medicare”
I never thought Biden was such a lap dog.
Bill Clinton, the fine fellow who got up at the White House podium to stump for extending the Bush tax cuts. When all that would have been required to get rid of them was to do n-o-t-h-i-n-g, and let them expire.
And the fine fellow who stumped for the Insurance Industry Wet Kiss Act of 2010, to help Democrats out in the 2010 midterms when voters were going to love it.
Stop trying to help, Bill.
Clinton praised the Democratic victory in NY-26 yesterday but added, “I hope Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing.”
Ryan responds: “My guess is it’s going to sink into paralysis is what’s going to happen. And you know the math. It’s just, I mean, we knew we were putting ourselves out there. You gotta start this. You gotta get out there. You gotta get this thing moving.”
Why is Bill hanging with Ryan? Just how desperate is the GOP they have to arrange this social opportunity somehow I just can’t see any GOP leaders hanging with Bill Clinton socially.
The Blue Dogs and the GOP are desperate their pretend differences are being put aside.
He’s probably still considered a big dog because he can bring in the bucks when the Dems are fundraising…that’s my guess.
Because he’s an asshole — pure and simple.
He sure is! He did what Poppy Bush wanted and ushered in the NAFTA, now the Dark Bushie crew is using another so-called Dem President to whip up some more Free Trade deals. Do you remember Bush II crying we need to sign up some more free trading deals? I don’t. THey knew it would bite them.
The only reason for him to make his comments today is to step on the American people, who are clearly saying that they do not want to see Medicare destroyed. His comments were intended to keep the destruction of Medicare on the table.
Absolutely. I hate the sight of the guy.
Get the fuck off the stage, Bubba. You’ve done enough damage.
Well, I hope that is what Clinton meant> find better ways to do things and eliminate waste. I also would find it odd that he would risk his legacy supporting anything like the ryan plan. But who knows?
No person was more instrumental than Bill Clinton in turning the Democratic Party into an enemy of progress.
re: Germany v. US
1. German GDP actually went down in 1Q and was adjusted up, but overall the German economy is certainly growing.
2. California, thanks to Arnold, is moving on renewable energy, both wind and solar.
http://www.sdge.com/sunrisepowerlink/
Amen.
Huh?
In what universe is ‘Hillary a liberal’??
You know that she’s been part of The Family or Fellowship for years now, don’t you?
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
Joshua Green, March, 2008:
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-fellowship.php
And don’t forget that the odious Mark Penn was a key member of her inner circle during the 2008 primaries.
I have no use for Bill Clinton. I left the party when Bill sent my job to Mexico. But I will say this for him. He stays bought.
In a way that is good. Everyone knows we all want medicare cuts? I want to see the thugs wallowing in ryans plan.
On those extentions and additions to the Bush tax cuts that Clinton helped push the Dems into agreement over…
Let’s see it’s what 8 or 9 years worth now? Where are all those jobs that were supposed to have been created? Where is all that wealth being invested in America infastructure and manufacturing? Has anybody asked the repugs lately what happens when their agenda items fail?
At least you got to quit the Democratic Party. Many of us stayed around too long and got fired by the mandarins who run the party. Oh, we’re all still welcome to write checks and do unpaid grunt work, but we don’t give the orders, we’re expected to carry them out.
Yep. Isn’t that the one the politicians use to gain forgiveness for adultry? I’ll have to call up a Governor that likes hiking to see what he thinks about it.
I remember during the campaign Hillary had a more comprehensive health care plan than Obama. Does that qualify?
I tried editing and can’t seem to get the links right.
The first one:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
And the second one:
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-fellowship.php
’12 isn’t that far away. Obama can keep his cards close to his chest and cut the rug out from under us after he’s re-elected. He’ll just tell the other big boyz to be patient
The President Who Became an Actor”: And This Year’s Oscar Goes To… Barack Obama
WJC is a big blue dress on a high priced hooker walking a top pedigree brain-dead dog down the carpet and hoping for “best in show.” He’s a pathetic loser, which is a remarkable trick, given that he won the presidency twice.
This is classic clinton. Recall that the big corporate lap dawg also had a deal made with newt gingrich to “reform” social security … or to give it bipartisan cover … but decided against it when the lewinsky affair came down becoz he reckoned that he needed the demo-zombie idiots’ support to get him through that rocky time … who were the same idiots that he also was all so anxious to sell out to work with their arch enemy gingrich to further endear himself to the pete petersons of the world just before he hit the lucrative post-presidency speech circuit.
And he reckoned right: there were plenty of fools … and still are … that considered him to be their democratic party hero and would blindly back him simply becoz he had a D in front of his name even though he sold their asses out time and time again. And he still sells them out to this today … and they are still too dumb and arrogant to figure it out.
Z
They don’t CARE. they are, very simply, traitors
Yes indeed, pres twice?!
Not good.
The goal isn’t to keep it alive in order to use it as a political weapon.
The goal is to keep it alive so that, through the wonders of compromise and the genius of the legislative process, it will become reality while leaving the American people nothing that they can do about it politically.
When that is EXACTLY what is best for the Ds and the vast majority of the D’s constituents. The guy’s a fucking creep.
NY 26 sort of said what people think about the ryan plan.Keep on preaching it.
He’s clearly sold out and given up whatever last shread of decency he once had. Hillary has to be wondering if he helped screw her over…
William Jefferson Clinton was a good President.
Wisdom lies in giving his political observations thoughful consideration as opposed to engaging in vitriolic name-calling.
Clinton gave the Ryan plan cover with his stupid statements today. He gave cover to the whole notion that major changes to Medicare are necessary and have to be kept on the table.
This isn’t about cheap political theater.
It’s about them wanting to ruin Medicare, posturing to do just that, and making sure that the American people have no political recourse to stop them.
GAH! My loathing for Clinton is only exceeded by my loathing for Obama, and that’s saying a LOT.
Wish that bought off corporate whore Clinton (your pick: either one of ‘em fits this description) would just GO AWAY. Go far FAR AWAY!!!!!
WTF is Clinton DOING sucking the dick of Pete Peterson, and even worse, Teabagger Paul Ryan’s dick? And Why the Eff is Clinton telling me this bullshit LIE?? Worse than Palin, the Media Whore, Clinton just can’t get off the d*mn stage and STFU.
Where’s Monica when we need her???
I’ll agree with your first statement on the whole. It doesn’t give him cover post-presidency for what appear to be deliberate efforts to undermine the common good, though.
If he’s going to step all over a victory like the one the American people had yesterday, shouting him off the stage is the best thing to do.
Yeah, and don’t you worry: Clinton’ll be collecting some big fat buck$$$ for being the best damn prostitute that Pete Peterson ever had suck off his pathetic dick… pardon my French…
Maybe but I didn’t see it that way. The thugs have no cover. In fact the more they stand behind this stupid plan the more they lose. It does seem to me that most people want no part of ryan or his plan.
Then ask why Clinton is supporting Ryan’s plan?
In front of the cameras, there was the appearance of two sides in the health care debate.
Doing their part in the kabuki theater, Obama and Democrats supposedly gave voice to the liberal / progressive side.
What we got was not reform of the health care system, but the Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act.
Now they’re going after Medicare, too. And if you think Obama and the Democrats aren’t part of the problem, well…
Are you serious? “Ending welfare as we know it” and surrendering the store to Wall St.? He was good at getting reelected maybe, but the price to the country was too high.
Clinton stroked Ryan’s ego to fortify Ryan’s commitment to destroying his Rethug party’s election chances.Best way to destroy an idiot is to encourage him….
huh…yeah, that’d be a good strategy, huh? Things aren’t always what they seem, grasshopper. But WJC gets my dander up anyway. Why can’t these guys show a little fortitude and get themselves assassinated the way they used to?
He is also part of the party’s authoritarian wing (as is his wife), and his record on civil liberties was nothing to write home about.
Give me a break.
You evidently saw something I did not. Cuts to medicare are not very popular and it is hard for me to accept that Clinton would propose such.
yes.
So right.
Think Obama’s a sell out now? He’s gonna be really dangerous
if he gets a second term. This is why I decided to vote for the
thug over a write in or third party. Obama must be stopped.
First termers usually operate with some restraint
because they’ve got a second term in mind.
Four more years of Obama will unleash our worst
nightmares. Look at how narcississtic and cruel he’s been so far.
Can you imagine the carnage after he really lets fly?
Trashing entitlements for Wall St to pick over will only be the
beginning. When a sociopath like Obama doesn’t have to concern
himself with the American people anymore, start running
for the hills.
A thug in office will also give the phoney Dems and the professional Left something to oppose instead of their discusting groveling.
He did end multi generational welfare.
Couldn’t agree more. What William Jefferson Clinton was/is proposing is: CUTS to Medicare.
If you don’t wish to “see/believe” that, so be it.
I prefer to live in reality.
Clinton is NOT our “friend,” nor is Clinton a “Democratic” pol. Call him a NeoLib or a NeoCon, Clinton is all about *stealing* your Soc Sec and Medicare.
Ever heard of the wolf in sheep’s clothing????
I pointed this scenario out because it fits Clinton’s Machiavellian personality. But I do share in the general disgust for the legacy of WJC in his betrayal of the poor, minorities, and undermining our prosperity via NAFTA.
It is true the greatness of his presidency is a well-orchestrated myth….
Very uncalled for remark. Should be removed from the thread.
No, I am not kidding. He was a good President.
Ds win a HUGE victory — that shows clearly the way to winning the WH and Senate in 2012 — and Bubba turns it around into a warning not to use it as an “excuse” to do nothing. When doing nothing is EXACTLY what is called for — as been pointed out repeatedly by DDay
And you see nothing wrong with that?
And as far as Joe Biden, I pulled “ROOTS” off the shelf the other day and spent much of the night rewatching it. Perhaps one of the most overlooked parts of that ’70s TVM was when Burl Ive’s senator character came up with a plan to keep the newly freed slaves as not so free.
Make them all sharecroppers, but put them into the kind of debt they could never pay off; thereby nullifying their freedom to leave.
This is just what our elected officials in league with the most powerful and wealthy have accomplished starting with the “credit for all” push of the early 80s.
And now, most of us are saddled with debt we will never be able to pay off; therefore no more than slaves of many colors.
I think of this every time I see Joe Biden huff and puff about being for the working people. He carried the water for the banks to push the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005__the final link to our modernday slavery. Thanks, Overseer Joe, for seeing to it we all never escape Massa BigCredit’s plantation.
Yes, if you are a repug you should be cautious how much of this you take to the bank. After all the dems are earning political capital from the ryan plan. Maybe keep it going. I never heard anyone say Clinton was a fool. I mean were I a pol right now I like the repugs pushing this dumb plan. That is what we did in NY 26 and it worked.
He is as responsible as anyone for the collapse of the economic system. His foolishness and selfishness led directly to 8 years of Junior’s debacle. He was a disaster. And Barry is following in his footsteps.
no, not what I have heard to date.
I didn’t say that Clinton publicly proposed killing Medicare.
I said that he’s keeping the Ryan plan alive by legitimizing the entire debate and legitimizing the very terms that Ryan wants that debate to play out.
The goal is to keep the debate going while tricking the American people into believing that there are two sides in the debate, though there are not.
The ultimate goal is to ruin Medicare.
Forget politics for a moment. Have you ever played chess?
I also think Clinton was a good president.
Sadly I have never played chees. I mean let ryan keep putting it out there. you want him to stop talking about it?
Thanks for clarifying what you consider “good.”
Free trade deals that ships jobs out of the USA. (Clinton owned NAFTA)
Kicking poor people off of welfare in the name of “reform.” (Clinton owned Welfare Reform)
Ending Glass-Steagall so that the financial community could gamble everybody’s money away, and directly led to the financial crisis that we’re still not recovered from.
Lying before a grand jury (Nobody made him do that. He chose to be a liar.)
I could go on, but this is exactly what I expected that you would consider “good.”
You’re no liberal, no matter how many times you repeat that lie, or at best, one of the “liberals” Hedges spoke about recently.
Do you think it is illegitimate to claim that presidents (especially presidents not named Bush) are intimidated by the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, etc? That’s what prompted my remark…so it was “called for”…so there.
The point that you’re missing is that the Democrats will talk about their desire not to ruin Medicare, participate in ruining Medicare, and then call what they’ve done “compromise.”
You seem to think that Ryan will only talk about ruining Medicare and that someone will step up to see that it’s not actually ruined.
Bill Clinton’s stupid comments today were not about stepping up to make sure that Medicare is not ruined. They were about keeping the debate alive and making sure that the terms of the debate still favor those who will ruin it.
Republicans losing next Nov doesn’t mean the American people have won.
I guess I am not there yet.
If Clinton didn’t like the idea of cutting Medicare, he wouldn’t have missed an opportunity to trash a Republican plan. He said it because
he’s trying to help Obama and the Dems sell it.
The Dems have been talking about it for months.
Another secret Gang of Obama’s hiding behind closed doors
working on the way to con the American people again.
They know damn well how unpopular it is by now.
But they still haven’t said we’re not cutting Medicare
because Obama wants it done and so do they.
FDL has never condoned calling for violence. Perhaps the rules have changed because your remark stands but it is still in very poor taste. So there.
I consider peace and prosperity good.
Liberals by huge margins consider him to be a good President.
I am a liberal. But, unlike you, I do not demonize everyone who lies to the right of me on the political spectrum.
Don’t forget that his presidency coincided with a period of incredibly cheap energy. After the Asian financial meltdown of 1998, the price of oil fell to as low as $10 a barrel. It’s pretty hard to screw up an economy under those conditions.
Prosperity built on a bubble is good?
I won’t get into a debate on what “good” means, but I’m guessing it means they liked the guy, not necessarily the policies, because I feel pretty sure that folks who are liberal did not support ending FDR’s regulations on the banking industry that led us into a disaster nor any “free trade” deals that result in jobs being shipped into another country.
And as for demonizing, no oldgold, not those to the right of me on the political spectrum, but to the right of center on the political spectrum. And you’re damn right I demonize them AND those policies because they result in real people suffering real pain, real death, real poverty all so the select few can lead lives of luxury.
Ring wing policies are as evil today as they were when Hitler instituted them in Germany, Mousilini in Italy, and I could list several others in South America. I demonize evil. So sue me.
And a lot of that was due to being lucky to be President during the tech bubble, and that bubble burst, too.
You think I was calling for violence? Can you read English good?
rubinomics? repeal of Glass-Steagall? not supporting Brooksley Born at the CFTC? preventing financial derivatives regulation and implementing the enron loophole by signing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000? WTO’s FSA? Nafta’s chapter 11? IMF and Treasury’s role in making the Asian financial crisis worse?
there’s lots more, but i’ll stop for the moment because what really irks in the context of this thread is clinton’s continuing talent for putting a faux progressive face on regressive economic policy.
Yeah, Clinton was wonderful – who needs Glass-Stegall anyway!?!
“Why can’t these guys show a little fortitude and get themselves assassinated the way they used to.” YOUR WORDS! Were you alive when JFK was assassinated?
That’s a strong litany for indictment. The sound I’m hearing the door slamming on any hope for WJC’s redemption.
Thank you selise.
And then faux progressives support it, which enables Clinton (and Obama, and every other neo-liberal Democrat, which is to say every other Democrat in DC today) to keep pushing it and calling it “progressive.”
Yeah…I was five. And if you can’t read the sarcasm those words were dripping with, then there’s no emoticon that will help you.
i listened to clinton at the peterson conference today (even make a recording so i could listen again). does that make it ok to engaged in some vitriolic name-calling? because what i heard from clinton today sure makes me want to.
“Sadly I have never played chees. I mean let ryan keep putting it out there. you want him to stop talking about it?”
The Democrats talked and talked about how much they hated the Bush Tax Cuts and then they became the Obama Tax Cuts who not only extended Bush but undermined Social Security.
Even I can see that all Gordon is trying to say is that he misses the days when Presidents were willing to risk their lives in battle against the forces undermining the interests of the American people and the nation….
Oh, God, I wish you hadn’t said that. It’s the old “Don’t think of an elephant” routine.
morally i can’t know.
but politically? well, i wouldn’t go that far…. after all the Rs have been pretty successful in redeeming the reagan presidency. why can’t the Ds do the same for clinton?
Yeah, like putting the deficit before unemployment. The clown didn’t say, “I hope the Ds don’t use their victory as an excuse to do nothing on unemployment.”
Like he should have, OG.
So getting rid of the post-Great Depression protections is the key to long term prosperity?
Clinton was a good Prez in what way…Repeal of Glass-Stegall,Telco- Act’96,NAFTA & GATT.Many of the ills we are facing can be traced back to BClinton,anyone remember the IRAQ Liberation ACT? How many innocent Iraqi kids died cuz of this policy,some estimates at least 1/2 million.
This creep was a terrible Prez.
i don’t know about “faux progressives.” it’s hard for the grass roots to cut through the top-down D propaganda (especially from neoliberals like clinton, obama and their political supporters), especially if one has never heard about the Ds role in financial deregulation. i only scratched the surface, but it was still enough to make me sick:
http://www.netrootsmass.net/selise/financial-regulation-timeline/
maybe it just takes some time to take it all in? it certainly has for me….
amen.
Exactly. If Clinton wasn’t essentially supporting the notion of gutting Medicare, then what WAS he supporting? Clinton spoke out after what appears to be a pretty clear voter (aka, small people) referendum against doing away with Medicare, and Clinton – purported “liberal” (what a joke) – immedidately wags his finger at Democratic voters/liberals/progressives and tells us that we have *cut* Medicare…
gimme a break. See the sky as red, if you like, but trusting that Clinton is playing some eleventy-dimensional chess in order to “screw” Paul Ryan is foolish, no offense.
Clinton’s not hanging out with the likes of Pete Peterson in order to “screw” Republicans. See the facts for what they are.
Maddow just showed the ABC video….
“gimme a break. See the sky as red, if you like, but trusting that Clinton is playing some eleventy-dimensional chess in order to ‘screw’ Paul Ryan is foolish, no offense.
Clinton’s not hanging out with the likes of Pete Peterson in order to ‘screw’ Republicans. See the facts for what they are.”
After Democrats hack up Medicare, that’s how it will be played. They’ll claim that they nailed the Republicans by not privatizing Medicare. Focusing on Ryan is merely a shiny object distraction to let them go in for the kill while claiming to be saviors.
Steve Israel is a fucking liar and fraud.
William Jefferson Clinton was a good President.huh? Clinton gets an F, Bush gets an F—-! Obama is well on his way to an F…notice who sponsored the debt event? Pete Peterson!!!!!!!!!!! And Clinton has his head and his hands up PP’s ass! Willie still is still doing damage…shut up now!!!!!
I just saw Israel on the RM show…he is going “ask” big pharma to “allow” Medicareto nego, for lower drug prices!!!!!!!!1 ASK???!!!!!!! HUH???????????
agreed
89% of Democrats currently have a favorable view of William Jefferson Clinton.
http://people-press.org/2011/03/23/obama-tests-well-at-start-of-reelection-run/
how many of those 89% know about even my short list @103?
I’ve noticed that a lot of stories today have the same nonsensical theme that Clinton espoused. And not just quotes from so called “serious” people but even supposed “analysis” from reporters. Like this terribly slanted story from NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/politics/26medicare.html?_r=1&ref=jennifersteinhauer
I get the feeling the banksters, oligarchs, and their lackeys in the elites and intelligentsia are all very worried about the ultimate success of their scheme to rob us blind while keeping themselves in the lifestyle to which they’ve become accustomed.
Here is what 89% of Democrats know. They enjoyed peace and prosperity during the years William Jefferson Clinton was President.
“Apres moi le deluge” – hoorah for gutting Glass-Steagall! Democrats like Bill Clinton so that must mean getting rid of post-Depression protections is good public policy.
It appears people here do not like Clinton and cannot tolerate any cuts in medicare. But wait, not everything is a conspiracy foisted on us by Clinton and the dems and the corporations (well maybe them guys). The fact is medical costs are around 17% of GDP in this country whereas they are around 10% in other industrialized countries. There was a post here awhile back showing the costs of medical procedures compared to other countries. You can find it at the Kaiser foundation website, I think. And on top of that those costs are increasing rapidly. It is true we are on an unsustainable path. Medical cost has to be controlled. That message is ultimately going to come through to voters just as surely as cuts to grannies medicare. So Clinton says we have to think about what to do about it, think the unthinkable before we are forced to it or get wiped out in congress and the presidency. What happens to medicare if it is all repubs in there. Maybe things like reducing drug and pharmacy costs, medical equipment and the like are things that can be done to save money. I’m not a doctor but I will bet you there are others. If not, we are fucked.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/paul-ryan-and-bill-clinton-chat-backstage-about-medicare-ny-26-video.php
Bill Clinton a lousy President? Well who has there been in the last generation to compare him to? I liked him one hell of a lot better than the start gazer or those compassionate rethugs we had. I could also mount a defense against the accusations thrown about but it would make no difference. BTW when all is said and done the housing bubble and Wall Street fucked us along with a weak regulating system, that is Glass Steagall and the genuises at the SEC, the treasury and the fed. Oh the guys just trying to make a buck in the finance industry come in for a little blame.
This is your basic DLC, New Democrat conservadem, Bill Clinton. As long as rich people and corporations win, to hell with everybody else. And they wonder why progressives and liberals are souring on this party. Hoyer, Biden, and Obama all say everything is on the table, i.e., the Republicans will get their way again. There will be no tax hikes or cuts to the bloated defense budget, but you can bet your sweet ass poor, working, and middle income people will pay a heavy price under this president’s leadership, once again. After all they don’t have lobbyists.
Does anyone else think its a fucking joke when politicians fane disgust when they are called out for selling out to the highest bidders. Because if there was ever any doubt, the past 10 years of Bush and Obama, and the failure of the Democrats to even pretend they give a damn about working people should end it.
The NY Times has a good article on it. He was a messenger – - fix this fucked up system or you will really have trouble.
I think I said earlier, I am not there yet. I hope you are wrong but if not then I will join you.
Yes, he is still thinking about tomorrow.
No.
“More liberal” than Obama is not necessarily liberal.
Nixon was more liberal than Obama.
Well, Oldgold, it seems we have run this thread out.
Zakly, lol.
Yes, that would be the one.
Rachel reported on “The Family” quite extensively, except she left out the part that Hillary was/is also affiliated with them.
huh? are you claiming the 89% are ignorant of what was done by the clinton administration? or that it doesn’t matter what clinton et al. did?
“BTW when all is said and done the housing bubble and Wall Street fucked us along with a weak regulating system, that is Glass Steagall and the genuises at the SEC, the treasury and the fed”
Yeah, it was Clinton who weakened the regulatory system.
“Oh the guys just trying to make a buck in the finance industry come in for a little blame.”
Rubin did quite well.
some one who says “fix this fucked up system” but then misinforms the public about what is fucked up, is not really a messenger… more like a self promoting propagandist.
The 89% comes from the Pew Research report in the link.
That was me saying that but I am paraphrasing. You know when you spend 17% of your GDP on health care you have a fucked up system, IMO.
Yeah, I don’t see how POLLS=GOOD PUBLIC POLICY. Besides it’s no surprise that partisans like members of their own team.
Chickenshit bullshit.
The devil made him do it, I’m sure. He saw it would really fuck up the world 10 years later, with a little help from a few others, and he went for it.
67% of all Americans have a favorable opinion of him.
Have a nice day.
Oh shit why did you go and say that for? they can read it in your link.Now we will hear seventyelven reasons why it’s bull shit.
I’m outta here, really. See you all morrow.
Absolutely. Yesterday’s decisive victory was a message for BOTH parties, not just the GOP.
The GOP were the idiots who made their intentions completely known (classic overreach on the part of the GOP), but there was panic in the DLC wing of the Democrats (like Billy Boy here) because many of them want to help the GOP cut Medicare (all in the name of bipartisanship and the “deficit”).
It’s bizarre that Clinton and his allies would diminish such a resounding electoral victory, but these are the Dems, who are looking for ways to “get the Republicans back up.”.
yes. i do. and i didn’t need clinton to tell me.
http://my.firedoglake.com/selise/2009/06/22/a-note-on-healthcare-costs/
and i know better than, as clinton said today (i’m paraphrasing, i’ll do a bit of transcription later if i can’t find one on line), that “solving” our public debt “problem” is a prerequisite for moving forward. that’s just dangerous nonsense.
http://my.firedoglake.com/selise/2011/04/14/usg-deficits-the-economics-the-politics-the-banksters-and-you/
yeah. weird. doesn’t it matter how well informed the respondents are? NOT that i blame anyone for being misinformed when the propaganda is so pervasive.
Obama and the Clintons are all Third Way types and have been for decades. Yet some people who are still fighting the 2007-8 primaries insist that the Clintons are so much better/different/etc. than Obama when if that were true, Hillary wouldn’t be a prominent part of Obama’s Cabinet — and Clinton initimate and former employee Rahm Emanuel wouldn’t have been anywhere near the Obama White House, much less the go-to guy for the Obama White House’s implementation of the HCR screwjob.
If the Clintons were truly less corporatist than Obama, then Clinton associate Lanny Davis wouldn’t be their associate, much less a guy with enough pull with them that he was able to use that pull to successfully lobby to keep Obama from stopping the Honduran coup.
I keep thinking back to how, unbeknownst to most of us at the time it unfolded, the Monica Lewinsky scandal may have been what saved our collective hineys — it put a stop to the “Grand Bargain” to destroy Social Security.
Yeah, even I find the guy charming, but because a certain number of people like someone at a certain time, it doesn’t mean that they enacted good public policy. Reagan polled as people’s favorite President, so does that mean he enacted the best public policy because he’s polled well?:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/surveys/2009_Archives/PPP_Release_National_1211.pdf