In theory, the win for Kathy Hochul in NY-26 should give Democrats tremendous leverage in the budget fight. Republicans have to be searching for an exit strategy, with their Medicare phase-out plan this unpopular and this resonant in elections. They alienated the biggest demographic portion of their base for no real reason, and politically this will haunt them for years.
But as I said earlier, just because Democrats have a good hand to play doesn’t mean they’ll play it. The White House badly wants a deal, both to avoid the near-term disaster of a debt default and to gain credibility on the deficit with moderates for re-election. Joe Biden keeps holding these bipartisan talks, and the numbers discussed keep going up. Yesterday he talked about $1 trillion in cuts already agreed to by both sides:
Lawmakers are weighing $1 trillion in deficit-cutting measures as part of a possible deal that would allow an increase in the country’s borrowing authority, Vice President Joe Biden said on Tuesday.
Biden’s comments were a sign that despite wide skepticism, Democrats and Republicans may be able to hash out a deal that would tame the national debt and give Congress enough political cover to lift the $14.3 trillion debt limit before an August 2 deadline.
“I think we’re in a position where we’ll be able to get well above $1 trillion pretty quick in terms of what would be a down payment on the process,” Biden said after a three-hour meeting on Capitol Hill with top lawmakers [...]
In their third round of talks, the group examined the Medicare and Medicaid government health plans for retirees and the poor, which represent nearly a quarter of all federal spending and are expected to eat up a growing portion of the budget in coming decades as the population ages and medical costs continue to outstrip inflation.
I don’t think Medicare will get phased out, obviously, in the context of a deal. But rather than Obama’s preferred option, empowering the IPAB, I could see some measure of cost-shifting to seniors, even if it’s small. And Medicaid is pretty clearly in trouble: nobody has forcefully come out against block-granting, the way that they did against the Medicare phase-out.
But even if the President agrees with this, even if he can get a deal with House Republicans, there’s still the matter of the Democratic Senate, right? If a healthy portion of the Democratic caucus is opposed, along with a handful of GOP hardliners who won’t vote for anything but the destruction of the state, it would be hard to break a filibuster and get a deal done, right? Not if they use the budget process and the method known as reconciliation, which would only need 50 votes. I mentioned this here last week, and I did some additional digging on it for a piece for The American Prospect:
Reconciliation, a provision of the 1974 Budget Act, allows Congress to change key elements of the budget as an adjunct to the normal legislative process. The process offers a fast track for spending or tax deals by avoiding procedural hurdles such as the filibuster in the Senate; debate is limited to 20 hours, and a reconciliation bill only needs a bare majority to pass. In both 1990 and 1997, Congress used reconciliation to pass deficit-reduction packages that reflected deals between Congresses and presidents of opposite parties. In the current impasse over federal spending, reconciliation could pave the way for the “grand bargain” that many in Washington have been hoping for: The House and Senate can pass separate bills that allocate and cut federal spending or revenues by a certain amount; then they can delegate the details of what gets cut and what revenues get raised to the reconciliation process [...]
As a political tool, though, the promise of reconciliation is a powerful one — and one that liberals should be worried about. House Republican leaders have insisted they will only agree to a budget deal if the vast majority of their caucus agrees with it, and any deal that would satisfy House Republicans would likely only squeak through the Senate with a bare majority. Senate liberals may wish to protect such safety-net programs as Medicare and Medicaid or want a more equitable ratio between spending cuts and tax increases. Through reconciliation, fewer of those liberals would be needed to sign on to the deal because that process requires only 50 votes (Biden would be the tiebreaker).
This doesn’t come out of thin air. Senate Budget Committee chair Kent Conrad said publicly that he was holding up his budget process in case reconciliation needed to be used in the context of a bipartisan deal. A couple Senate offices confirmed this to me as a plausible option. As I note, Senate liberals would still have a few cards to play to stop anything they found distasteful, but obviously reconciliation would make that more difficult for them. This could be how Medicaid gets converted into a block grant, or how Medicare cost-shifting increases. It’s definitely one of the possibilities for the endgame.




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The American middle class is going to need a no fly zone to protect it from the DC bombing campaign.
*facepalm*
What exactly is Biden trying to do here?
Out cut the Republicans?
Stop the bleeding. End the bloody wars. $ 1.2 trillion per year on defense is insane!
So-called “Democrats” whole-heartedly approve of and endorse Ryan’s shitty budget. Why would what some pissant voters think in NY-26 ruin so-called “Democrats” plans to vote for Ryan’s budget????
Get with the program. Democrats work only for the upper 1%. They’re just not that “into” the serfs.
You know that not one Democrat in the House voted for the Ryan budget, yes? That includes Heath Shuler. That includes Jim Cooper. That includes every crappy Democrat, every Blue Dog, every New Dem.
There’s not much of a fault line, but that is part of it between Dems and GOP.
I’m not an expert, so maybe someone can clear this up, but I thought that they couldn’t use reconciliation without already passing the 2012 budget resolution (that sets an overall spending amount) and including reconciliation instructions?
As an aside, a major unforced error by Dems was they didn’t include reconciliation instructions in the 2011 budget resolution, and thus the 2011 budget never got done, allowing it to get teabagged earlier this year.
It seems to me that even getting the 2012 budget resolution passed through the house and senate will be a major hurdle. The House is gonna want a lot more cutting than the Senate is going to feel comfortable with, IMHO.
the big problem facing the KABUKI DEMS in the Senate?
House Dems got pounded in 2010, in 2012 there will be a lot of new Dems running for office who are more liberal and hate republicans due to the WISCONSIN effect cause by GOV. Walker
Senate Dems don’t like the idea of being primaried from the left, with an organized left pissed off to no end at KABUKI DEMS IN DC.
Obama the trojan horse, has no where to run for cover
Gov. Walker and the other crazy GOP governors destroyed the so call mythical middle.
OBAMA has always needed the left to get re-elected, he can lie to himself all he wants too, but at the end of the day, he needs the left more than left needs him.
the end game is real simple, if OBAMA does not fixed the USA economy and find Americans real good jobs, HE IS DONE!!!
No one out side of DC cares about the budget deficit more than they care about the ECONOMY.
OBAMA voting for the BUSH TAX CUTS with other DEMS is biting him in the ASS
can cut taxes for rich people OBAMA and scream broke? :)
IT ALWAYS THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!
Kabuki. It will all be done with “Bipartisaness.”
If the negotiated with the drug pushers, to cut costs, made mj legal and taxed it, cut the prison population, exited Iraq and Af-Pak, and stopped pissing off muslims to improve national insecurity, we could see $2 Trillion to be redirected to schools and infrastructure.
Where’s that web site with “play the Federal Budget” game?
If only. D-PTB will make sure it doesn’t.
Actually I think the whole Ryan Plan is kabuki. Nobody could be that stupid, could they?
I think it allows the meme to enter the NOOZ sphere. people will get used to it after awhile and they’ll chip away until it’s gone Same with SS. Medicaid, on the other hand, will be thrown to the R’s as red meat.
Thanks, DDay. I do know that, but I’m cynical. So?? It’s all just Kabuki to me. I believe that laughingly identified “Democrats” will cave and cave big time… I surely hope I’m wrong. I would LOVE to be 110% abjectly wrong.
Time will tell. Color me skeptical.
As always, though, thanks for your insightful posts.
Yeah maybe, but the end result will be the same. Perhaps Ryan’s plan will be walked back *THIS* time, but so what??
I feel that, sooner or later, it’s a “done deal.” And no matter what the so-called “Dems” have said/done/voted for so far… well, as I said above, color me skeptical. If I’m wrong, then: Hallelujah, a miracle happened.
Reconciliation wasn’t tried when progressives wanted the public option (OK, we really wanted single-payer, the option was a compromise). Instead, they had the House re-pass health care “reform” without a public option so the Senate didn’t have to deal with it.
Biden is playing the game and it is a bidding the time game.
If the Senate and House Dems have to, “Just Have To” negotiate with the repugs then they learned absolutely nothing the past two years.
What is wrong with them telling the GOP, HELL NO! Why can’t they become the party of no? It is way past time for the Dems to stop hiding behind excuses like we did the best we could, or they are the majority, or they are holding America hostage. If that is the way they plan to continue then they had better be prepared to step down to somebody that will actually legislate instead of being afraid of those mean repugs.
David, David, David. The blue dogs voted against the Ryan plan because their votes were not needed. Many of the blue dogs want the Ryan plan but also want to be able to say they voted against the destruction of Medicare. This is the perfect storm for them.
It wasn’t stupid from their perspective.
They are afraid of their base and did it to placate the Tea Baggers.
(and they probably were counting on a “Grand Bargain” that would let them off the hook.)
True! But why is Biden out trying to bargain? If all the Dems voted no, then what is the issue?
They can and should continue on with raising the deficit cap without the entitlement crap being slung around as the issue. It is not the issue and Biden is playing the game.
Just a stupid question, who is going to beat him?
When I start caring about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I’ll start caring whether DC Democrats do the things do because it’s congenitally in their natures or because they learned political strategy from studying the New York Mets.
The end result is the same. And at this point, it’s pretty damn hard to believe it’s because of errors in political strategy. No one could be that stupid after 2.5 years of this.
Every day I am being battered by multiple emergency e-mails alerting me to issues that I really care about.
Attacks on Medicare and Social Security.
The whittling away of women’s reproductive rights.
The loss of over 7 million jobs (give or take a million) since 2007.
15 million manufacturing jobs outsourced since 1986.
30% of American workers make poverty level wages.
Almost 30% of homes in which people over 65 receive Social Security, have that as 90% of their income. And the average SS check is about $1100 per month.
Fracking is threatening to pollute the ground water – in New York State, in the water-starved Mountain States.
20% of Americans own 80% of the wealth.
Wages have been stagnant since the 1970′s.
Companies still knowingly recruit undocumented laborers to perform backbreaking work, paying low wages, no benefits and, certainly, no workers’ comp in case of injury – a slave labor force in all but name.
Coal-fired power plants spew pollutants out in to the air.
Nuclear plants, with spent fuel sitting about, are disasters waiting to happen.
The world population growth curve started to go exponential about the mid-1940′s.
Chicago climate has moved into the next higher climate zone and is about to resemble Atlanta.
The Arctic ice is melting and countries are poised to fight over rights to oil drilling, mineral extraction and shipping.
And there’s more. But I’m tired typing and you’re tired reading.
I can’t continue to flit from issue to issue. Each one is critical.
But we have to bring all these issues together under one over-arching cause. What the h*ll’s wrong with our society as it is currently constituted that it is allowing a small group of people to gather the reins of money and power into their hands and stick it to the rest of us? (Apologies for mixing metaphors).
All these “issues” – from gutting Medicare to injecting poisonous chemicals into our ground water to sending manufacturing jobs to “developing” countries – are symptomatic of a society that has devolved into a kleptocracy. Not a Democracy, guys. No longer a Democracy.
What are we going to do about it?
Laughing my head off!!!
OBAMA is not un-beatable thus all the GOP signing up to challenge him.
Our team has work with a lot of black politicans over the years, trying to get one re-elected locally is tough
trying to get a black re-elected statewide is super tough!
OBAMA has to get re-elected nationally this may be mission impossible stuff here!
What may happen in 2012 is this
the house goes DEMS BIG TIME
the SENATE stays DEM
and the WHITE HOUSE goes GOP
and everyone is going to act shock? :)
OBAMA only base of support comes from Liberals, and OBAMA has piss all over his Liberal base.
OBAMA is not stupid either? OBAMA knows he chances of getting re-elected would have been hard if the economy was in great shape.
Obama can’t do Clinton! and a lot of DC insiders know this.
OBAMA route back to the WH in 2012 runs thru hard core LIBERAL country, yes FDL members need to come out and support OBAMA big time.
If I was the GOP nominee, I would just keep showing OBAMA getting on AIR FORCE 1 and off of AIR FORCE 1, and this will get his or her base to polls big time.
remember, the GOP is going to make 2012 about OBAMA race yet again
Laughing my head off!!!
OBAMA is not un-beatable thus all the GOPers signing up to challenge him.
Our team has work with a lot of black politicans over the years, trying to get one re-elected locally is tough
trying to get a black re-elected statewide is super tough!
How many Black senators does the USA have? 0
OBAMA has to get re-elected nationally this may be mission impossible stuff here!
What may happen in 2012 is this
the house goes DEMS BIG TIME
the SENATE stays DEM
and the WHITE HOUSE goes GOP
and everyone is going to act shock? :) not me! I have seen this happen a lot!
OBAMA only base of support comes from Liberals, and OBAMA has piss all over his Liberal base.
OBAMA is not stupid either? OBAMA knows his chances of getting re-elected would have been hard if the economy was in great shape.
Obama can’t do Clinton! and a lot of DC insiders know this.
OBAMA route back to the WH in 2012 runs thru hard core LIBERAL country, yes FDL members need to come out and support OBAMA big time. (me thinks this may not happen)
If I was the GOP nominee, I would just keep showing OBAMA getting on AIR FORCE 1 and off of AIR FORCE 1, and this will get his or her base to polls big time.
remember, the GOP is going to make 2012 about OBAMA race yet again
The man that got Bin Laden?
You jest!
You still didn’t answer my question, so I will repeat it. Who is going to beat him?
Obama better kill some more dictators! quick
Bin Laden will not save OBAMA in 2012
4 to 5 gallon gas!
most people just don’t know how bad this USA economy is? well it is very bad and getting worse!
#24 Only 66.8% of American men had a job last year. That was the lowest level that has ever been recorded in all of U.S. history.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/50-things-every-american-should-know-about-the-collapse-of-the-economy
Obama better go on a kill a dictator a month campaign :)
killing dictators better create great USA jobs :)
33.20% of USA MEN are un-employed the number for women is much higher
Doesn’t the Affordable Care Act rely on Medicaid for lower income folks? How is shifting Medicaid to block grants going to affect Obama’s signature piece of legislation?
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
Unfortunately, I think their small group is much better at it than my small group.
our president wants to gain credibility with on the fed govt “deficit.” that’s just great.
what’s next? credibility with global warming deniers? flat earthers?
there is no economic reason for a debt default. purely a manufactured political — not economic — issue. .
it’s the deficit terrorists and deficit errorists who are the real threat — to medicare, to social security and to our economy in general.
we have REAL problems to address. it’s such a shame our political class insists on focusing on manufactured fake issues instead. worse than useless.
The only people that Obama stood up against were the Birthers, and frankly, I was rather amazed he did that… as I figured Obama would be desparate to curry favor with Orly Taitz & Pam Geller & their raving minions bc they’re NOT progressives, after all…
They would need to pass a 2012 budget resolution. That’s what Conrad is holding back pending a deal. It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen, and I lay out the hurdles in the piece. But Conrad’s keeping the option open.
Is this thing on?
the birth certificate flap is a great issue for distracting people from what, imo, really matters. iow, just another bright. shiny. object.
If the government guts entitlements, then effectively all the government will do anymore is the military.
Insofar as support for the military results – not from direct “patriotism” or the like but rather from some cobbled together coalition that treats military plus entitlements as a package deal, then a lot of the current “patriotism” would dissipate rapidly.
And that would be bad for defense contractors’ business.
Obama is beating himself!
the last time I check millions of GOPers voted for Bush, McCain, and Palin, so who ever wins the GOP nomination has a great shot at beating OBAMA
Obama problem is he needs all the people who voted for him in 2008 to show up in 2012
Popeye99? a person that votes for McCain and Palin can vote for anyone! :)
Either Rick Perry or David Petraeus …
Thank you, I was not trying to be a smart ass. But I don’t think anyone who has declared as of this point can win. Things can change but if the R’s keep talking cuts to Medicare Obama will win. That’s what the PTB want. By the way I will not be voting R or D they are the same ie. Corporatist. IMHO
David Petrayus has not thrown his hat into the ring, Rick Perry well okay if you say so. My bet is Obama will win. Not that I want him to.