It appears that Rand Paul has reached some kind of deal on his insistence to get votes for his amendments to the Patriot Act. There will now be votes on the amendments, with a likely 60-vote threshold. But the expectation is that the amendments will fail, and final passage will be secured Thursday. That will be followed by a quick vote in the House, and then a flight of the bill to Europe so President Obama can sign it before a midnight deadline when the three provisions of the measure would expire. And you said Congress can never be efficient. They can when motivated!
An agreement to hold a test vote early Thursday was the first progress all week toward resolving an impasse between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and tea party favorite Rand Paul, R-Ky., before three provisions of the act expire at midnight Thursday. Just before he closed the Senate on Wednesday night, Reid said there likely would be votes on amendments to the extension.
That could go a long way toward meeting Paul’s demand that Reid make good on a promise earlier this year to hold a full debate on proposed changes to the post-9/11 law, which empowers the government to find terrorists on American soil. Paul and other civil libertarians of both parties say the Patriot Act should be reconsidered or repealed outright because it risks infringing free speech and guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures.
I appreciate that the AP story sets the record straight, that the rampant fearmongering over the expiration date is a crock, because an expiration would only impact new investigations, and that wiretaps or record requests under the old law would get grandfathered in. Furthermore, these provisions are used sparingly. According to one Justice Department official, the “lone wolf” authority has never been used.
However, sparing use doesn’t mean that these activities which deprive civil liberties should continue to be used without some kind of minimization procedures. And that’s to say nothing of the secret Patriot Act – the different interpretation of the law that allows for a mass dragnet of private information – which members of the Senate Intelligence Committee seem to know quite a lot about. One of them, Mark Udall (D-CO), told the Durango Herald that “the laws that authorize (sources and methods) should not be kept secret from the American people.”
Udall and Ron Wyden just want to get this in the public record. But of course, our secretive surveillance state government wants to keep that information to themselves. And the few stragglers defending civil liberties and the Constitution in Congress have run out the string on their efforts to hold things up. Once again, the Patriot Act is poised to pass, with next to no debate and no serious effort to reform the law, 10 years after 9/11, one month after the death of Osama bin Laden.





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I’m surprised they don’t just pass a single law repealing the entire Constitution and be done with it.
That would be far too easy. I think they enjoy drawing this out. The ole “Chinese water torture”, relishing every drop.
Indeed. I can hear Harry Reid now as the voice of Frank Zappa’s “Central Screw-tinizer.”
Traitors to their oath to defend and preserve….Unamerican bastards.
We need to get together and do something now. trying to work through the political process is pointless. In texas a bill that passed unanimously in the house that would have made groping by TSA subject to criminal and civil prosecution was pulled by the senate after the received a threat for HS that if the bill passed, HS would cancel all flights in and out of Texas. That’s right a NO FLY ZONE in texas
Just today bloomberg revealed that the FED RESERVE gave $80 billion in SECRET LOANS to banks including GS at 0.01% interest. That is they were given taxpayer money for free and this is in addition to back door loans we know about at 0.5% interest. You can be sure there are probably dozens more SECRET LOANS we still don’t know about.
Politicians talking about the debt etc are lying to us. We have given trillions to the bankers for virtually free. They have bankrupted our country, committed fraud and we should not pay for it through cuts to medicare and SS. But have we heard POLITICIANS get out there and debate this issue honestly. Tell the TRUTH. Nope they prefer to lie and use smoke and mirrors and focus on SS etc and the media is happy to play along
You are SO on it!
And Paul “cut a deal.” Right. That’s some great libertarian Tea Party jihadi standard bearer y’all have there. No better than any of the “great” progressive standard bearers who are bought off or missing in action.
They are all the same.
Vote them ALL out. Doesn’t matter what party goes out or what party goes in. Vote them out. Everytime. Until we can get real change. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
They are singing a good song for us in Madrid! We are not alone and we have Wisconsin and Michigan and FDL!
@ reader: Read the link for once.
Paul opposes the PATRIOT act completely. He was the only guy fighting against it with such vigor. He held the floor for hours, but of course he was eventually going to cut a deal, nobody can hold the floor forever.
Why should we vote the only person fighting for our rights out?
Because he is a corporatist using civil liberties as a smoke screen to continue the rape of the middle class. JMHO :)
Thanks!
Your welcome I think you would do the same.
Because it’s ALL kabuki. To advance Paul. Not to do anything about civil liberties. It gives Paul pr points for campaigning. That’s all. It accomplished nothing. IT CHANGES NOTHING. If Paul really wanted to stop it, he would place a hold on the bill. He could stop it, rather than just score campaigning points while maintaining comity with Reid et. al. but he doesn’t do that.
Why not? You tell me.
:-))
Weak. Nuff said.
More like a decade after the death of bin Laden. Unless, of course, you think Obama would never lie, at least not about anything big. And of course, FDL’s favorite Senator, James Inhofe, has verified everything. But don’t let me stop you FDL as you lose all your credibility. It’s been apparent to anybody keeping score that FDL is little better than the Nation that is little better than HuffPost that is little better than CNN that is little better than Fox. Keep slipping in all the neocon lies. What a farce. Excuse my dissent from the pervasive bullshit.
What would it take for you? Is Paul required to set himself on fire?
What makes you think Paul is a corporatist? Paul, a freshman Senator, is fighting the majority leader of the house simply to get even a semblance of debate on the extension of the Patriot Act. Reid is the corporatist as are all the Republicans except Paul and most of the Democrats as well. Libertarians and corporatists (Fascists) are NOT the same thing.
Hadn’t thought of it, but it’s not a half bad idea!!
I want to point out that corporatism is not the same as fascist corporatism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_corporatism
I read this about two years ago and the USA was similar enough then to make me rail about it to all who would listen. I think my then gf heard about it enough times, anyway!
He was for extending the tax cuts for the upper 1%, he voted against Paul Ryan’s budget because the cuts didn’t go far enough. I applaud him for voting against the Patriot act but it is a facade. IMHO
http://bit.ly/jE5YCP
A HUGE setback for freedom in America…not that we expected anything else from the police state whores that the (only) honorable statesman in the Senate, Rand Paul is battling.
Well I would like to see him set himself on fire …. but it’s quite unlikely.
Paul could put a super secret hold on the Patriot stuff ~ NO ONE would even have to know. No one would tell. Republic Senators do it a lot.
So, why doesn’t he do that if he’s so against the Patriot stuff? Unless he just wants to create some great campaign video while NOT disturbing the status quo?
I am not a Senator. I am not a Senator who stands between the American people and the Patriot Act. I am not the one making these claims. Paul is the one pretending and doing absolutely nothing that matters.
We have seen it before. We’ll see it again. It’s kabuki.
Good stuff.
I am *warming* to the idea.
Thanks I appreciate it. Being new here I am hesitant to state things as I see them.
Welcome to the lake! I’d say you are fitting right in very nicely ~ no worries ~ I had no idea you were *new.* I am thinking you will like the waters here just fine. :-)
Yes, this Administration can do the right thing with the stroke of a pen but they choose not to.
So, do Paul and Reid have a deal or not?
The WSJ seems to think no
May 26, 2011, 12:38 PM ET
Sen. Rand Paul Delays Renewal of Patriot Act Provisions
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-delays-renewal-of-patriot-act-provisions/
I think it’s important that progressives know that although Libertarians are pro-business they are not corporatist. They object to Obama’s back room deals (for instance) with the health insurance extortionists just like the progressives do.
As to the Patriot Act – Libertarians value liberty (freedom) and the rule of law (the constitution). The Patriot Act savages both. I believe that Paul is sincere in his opposition.
I am not a Libertarian. But I regard them as the legitimate American right much as I regard Kucinich Democrats as the legitimate American Left. Neither should be confused with the Fascist Democrats and Republicans who now control the government for the exclusive benefit of the Oligarchy that bribes them.
Peace out 99.
Paul has no hope whatsoever of stopping the extension of the Patriot Act. He has chosen to try to force a debate to bring proposed amendments to the attention of the people and to get Senators on the record in opposition to our constitutional rights. I suppose he could do more. I suppose he could do less.
“Paul is the one pretending and doing absolutely nothing that matters.”
That is pure BullShit.
If Rand accomplishes this, I will change my opinion of him.
I don’t see how this accomplishes anything. No one is watching. Maybe because nothing that matters will happen.
We went through this with Feingold. It is disappointing, I grant you that. Very disappointing.
I never said he was a fascist but he is a corporatist. To vote for tax cuts for the upper 1% is a corporatist in my opinion. In any event he does not have my interest at heart and for me that is enough. I don’t believe all corporatist are fascists. Him being a Libertarian puts him in the same category as the Koch Brothers.
Thanks I have been a reader for about a year but just recently started to comment. The waters are indeed just fine. I love this site and this my place for honest news and analysis.
Ha, the Koch brothers are as libertarian as Mitch Daniels. Establishment contrived libertarianism because it is the “in thing.”
That is my point.