Republicans’ goose is cooked on the Paul Ryan plan to end Medicare and they know it. Democracy Corps just did a survey of House districts and found GOP disapproval numbers rising to 59%. They dug themselves a tremendous hole, and the Senate GOP compounded it by mostly voting with Ryan on his budget plan.
Republicans are trying to wave this away by calling it “Mediscare,” as they have for two decades. But Democrats aren’t engaging in demagoguery, Paul Ryan’s newest talking point. They’re merely telling the truth about what Ryan’s vision would mean for seniors – having to pay either unacceptably high or flat-out unaffordable prices for health insurance, and leaving their futures at the whims of private insurance companies.
So how will Republicans dig themselves out of this hole? Like a cornered animal, they plan to fight. And according to Mitch McConnell, they plan to use the only chip they have left – the debt limit:
In a Capitol briefing with reporters Friday, McConnell declared affirmatively that unspecified Medicare cuts are on the table in bipartisan debt limit negotiations, led by Vice President Joe Biden, and, he expects, will be part of the solution. But in response to a question from TPM, he went further than he has in the past in laying down a marker on that issue. Medicare cuts must be part of that deal to get his support — even if negotiators manage to find trillions of dollars in savings elsewhere, even if his other priorities are met.
“To get my vote, for me, it’s going to take short term [cuts, via spending caps]… Both medium and long-term, entitlements.,” McConnell said. “Medicare will be part of the solution.”
To clarify, I asked “To clarify, if [the Biden group] comes up with big cuts, trillions of dollars worth of cuts, but without substantially addressing Medicare, it won’t get your vote?”
“Correct,” McConnell said.
McConnell wants Democrats to bail out the GOP for their bad decision on the Ryan budget. If Democrats agree to a deal with big Medicare cuts, the political potency of running against the Ryan budget largely dissipates.
There are Medicare “cuts” that may even be worth pursuing, according to Jon Cohn. I don’t agree with his entire list, but I could say that allowing Medicare to bulk purchase prescription drugs would be a benefit to the program. But it would, of course, cut costs. Is that a “cut”? Certainly Republicans would pronounce it that way. Other cuts, like the ones Cohn describes, would reduce corporate welfare and encourage more efficient care. Are those “cuts”? Incidentally, these cuts to providers are part of the Paul Ryan plan. If he tells you different, he’s lying. He “cuts” Medicare, under this standard, as much as the Democrats did in the Affordable Care Act.
But McConnell is talking about something altogether different. He wants real cuts on Medicare for political reasons. He wants something people would feel, like cost-shifting. He wants it to relieve the burden from Republicans of being the party that wants to kill your Medicare. He wants to take the most powerful issue for Democrats, the one that won them a House election this week, off the table.
Will Democrats oblige him?




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If Republicans are a cornered animal, Obama and the Dems will provide a door of escape.
Or, to put it another way, in the game of good cop/bad cop, the good cop never gets the bad cop thrown off the police force. You don’t lose you job for playing the role of the bad cop.
Yes. Next question?
I think Congress should call McConnell’s bluff… let him see what happens when we actually default on our credit, and let him wonder how that can ever be made right again.
One of my worries about “cuts” that supposedly result from increased efficiency is that the real result will be lower reimbursements for doctors. In lots of areas it’s getting hard to find doctors who will take Medicare, esp. straight Medicare without an Advantage Plan. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the so-called “Doctor’s Fix” that was supposed to address some of the low reimbursement issues to physicians ended up getting left out of the bills that Congress passed at the end of last year.
At some level, we need somewhat lower reimbursements on doctors. They’re much higher paid here than in the rest of the world. But that works in a single-payer system where doctors have no choice. If they can pick and choose their patients and drop Medicare subscribers, that’s a problem.
The doc fix is in place right now. Doctors are a powerful constituency, and I don’t expect their pay to go down very much at all. It would be better to change how they’re paid, through whole care rather than fee for service. Because the real cost driver is not necessarily the doctors, but the services they authorize.
I think people would have a very different view of the health care system if we stopped calling it The American Medical Association and called it by what it really is … The Doctor’s Union
If?
ah but you have missed the point, they want the ryan plan, big dog clinton made that clear. obama makes it clear
they will use the republican “threat” to do what they want to do, destroy the middle class, make children indentured to parents and then parents indentured to children
this is their plan, bring back the robber baron economy
Barry has NO intention of “running against the Ryan budget” in 2012. (He feels that would lose independent votes.)
And he will not support any D who does.
it seems i owe you a beverage, you said with one word the same thing it took me a paragraph
uggg…I need some language skilz
And Obama and the Democrats will happily comply. BY CHOICE. Proving, AGAIN, that they are just as interested in cutting programs that benefit regular people as the Republicans.
Yet, AGAIN, I’ll bet dollars to donuts the folks at all of these other “liberal” websites will clap, will say the Democrats had no choice (which is bullshit), and it wasn’t their fault and we (those of us that point out the reality of the D party) are sanctimonious purists with no clue as to how politics work.
Wrong. We understand perfectly how politics work. That’s why we’re onto your veal pen ass.
Uh-oh…Do I hear the orchestra tuning up the siren song of bi-partisanship…?
Did we not see this coming??? Now will be the ultimate test, as far as I’m concerned, to see if Obama can actually do something for the people for a change and not cave in as he’s wont to do. I feel that it is possible he’s pretty much convinced he can screw us right and left because there is no credible candidate in the wings waiting for the right moment to leap out. In other words, he’s the only game in town. Well, we shall see.
:)
New Progressive Alliance, which I think may even have gotten started here, is planning to run a progressive challenger to Obama:
http://newprogs.org/
Pass it along.
He plans on running in 2012 on having “saved” Medicare through bipartisan cuts.
Yes, lower OVERALL reimbursements (especially to specialists). Not necessarily lower per patient per office visit, but overall at some point we have to lower overall reimbursements to Docs, PHARAM, and medical device manufacturers.
Otherwise single payer won’t even solve the problem. It’ll help, and it will rid a great amount of waste from the system, but it won’t completely get us in line with other countries health care spending.
The thing is you can do that (lower OVERALL reimbursements to Docs) in a way that they can live with if you do it properly. Well, that most can live with. There is no way we can continue to support multi-millionairre specialists. That’s got to stop.
All of the R’s apparently wild, self-destructive behavior is conditioned, no caused, by their confidence that Barry would rather bargain away almost everything rather than fight.
Why not demand cuts in Medicare for a rise in the debt ceiling when you know the guy in the WH will give you everything you want, just to stay in office?
The debt limit is only a chip because the Obama’s handlers let it be. From Nomi Prins:
Republican Trojan Horse, Civil Liberty gutting Patriot act Auto-pen signing Obama left the Debt Limit “Issue” on the table as a gift to Republicans for the express purpose of cutting Domestic Spending, ie: so called Entitlements like Medicare. (While the Defense budget balloons.)
Like the Tea baggers say, Obama sucks, but for much different reasons than they suggest. Being black isn’t one of them. Obama sucks because he is a Republican.
What difference does it make if we all agree that he sucks? Impeach the SOB.
I thought the robber baron economy was already here, except the 21st century terminology would call it the implementation of the “Shock Doctrine”. Another gift of the “Chicago School” and Milton Friedman, courtesy of our government’s bi-partisanship.
The Republicans are the ones trapped, NOT the debt limit.
The Democrats don’t have to do a dam thing to get the extension of the debt limit. If the Republicans really want to block the extension of the debt limit, let them. Watch how fast their own backers get on the phone and tell them to stop that nonsense.
Ergo, if the Democrats negoitate cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, or any other program that benefits the poor or middle class, it will be BY CHOICE.
Please folks start making politicians accountable for their CHOICES.
This is why there is so much kabuki in DC. They pull all of these stunts in an attempt to convince voters that they really didn’t have a choice so as to deflect responsibility. And it’s worked. Mostly. So far.
Let’s stop the kabuki now, and hold them accountable for their CHOICES. The way you and I are held accountable for our choices in life. When Democrats don’t behave like Democrats BY CHOICE then those “Democrats” do NOT deserve to rewarded with your votes.
Help stop the kabuki. Make them accountable. Make them EARN your vote.
If trying to abolish Medicare is killing Republicans in the polls, wouldn’t newspaper headlines all across the country like “Republicans Want To Kill Medicare So Badly That They’re Even Willing To Let Our Great Country Collapse Into A Major Depression By Defaulting On Our Debts” kill the Republican Party even more? I say call their bluff. The Democrats’ choices seem to be, risk a possible default, or the reality of actually helping Republicans kill Medicare. How can Democrats even be Democrats if they kill Medicare?
If the Democrats won’t stand up to this, they’ll never stand up to anything.
for some unknown reason the machince can’t be slowed down, protest, lawsuit or vote. Nothing appears to be doable at this point. We sill just have to ride this one to the bottom I guess!
concur
Leave McConnell’s ambiguous sexuality out of this.
The Democrats have the GOP by the balls on this issue, but they’ll completely fuck it up and the GOP will come out smelling like a rose.
In my town and in my experience, the clinics at the Teaching Hospital are the only place that Medicaid patients can see a doctor. The patient load there is STAGGERING. I have Medicare and so far it seems I have better access to doctors than I ever had. I understand this depends on the doc-fix staying fixed. A slender reed.
I expect people like me will be relegated to the charity hospital soon even though it is bursting at the seams and assuming the State is somehow able to keep it open. If anything happens to those overcrowded clinics the gravediggers will be working overtime.
As the impoverishment of working Americans continues I fear that doctors will be competing for a rapidly shrinking pool of patients. There is no money to be made letting people die. Perhaps the era of rich American doctors is drawing to a close.
What us serfs need is a shadow government. Like Hamas for example. A group that would open clinics, however primitive they might be, in our neighborhoods. Maybe they could sneak in some Cuban doctors. We have to find a way to supply our own critical services David.
I like the idea of a shadow government. Like the Spanish anarchists operated in the 1930′s. Teaching literacy, providing heath care, even stop smoking clinics.
How do we finance it?
McConnell’s up for re-election in ’12, isn’t he? Can he spell “H-O-C-H-U-L”?
The Oligarchs have made the “choice” OFG. They have decided to destroy Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security. The Democrats and Republicans will implement that choice while maintaining the illusion (as best they can) that they are not one and the same. What does that make Democratic and Republican partisans OFG? Fools?
2016 I believe.
I agree – do nothing sounds like the right policy – but then it did regarding the tax cuts expiring – and Obama ran to save those Bush tax cuts for the rich.
Clinton stated on C-Span to Ryan that he did not agree with the Ryan plan but sees a need to continue the reform of health care financing so there are cost controls- but Bill has no real power. I wonder when we will find out where Obama stands after saying he also opposes the Ryan plan BUT he sees a need to cut Medicare.
Doctors are a powerful constituency – as was said – but the Maryland Medicare waiver is a simple way to defang them. I wonder if other states will push for such a law – “pay all providers of a given service the same amount set by the state experts” ends the medical inflation caused by ins co’s always paying “their doctors” the Medicare rate plus a few percentages so they can claim there are doctors that take their insureds but will not take Medicare. Those “doctor lists of who accepts a given ins co insureds” is a marketing tool that must end. Of course Obama could get McConnell to agree to pass a law to allow Vermont to have a health care waiver to exchange the exchange for single payer effective next year rather waiting to 2017 as required for applying for waivers under the current law. Nah- not going to happen.
The Democrts and Republicans are working hand in hand to loot the country.
This is why I re-registered as an Independent [not affiliated with any political party].
The time has come to break the back of the corrupt two party system.
Where is the DNC? They should have an ad up nationally that runs through the holiday that McConnel and the Repubs are threatening the financial health of the country unless the Dems agree to kill Medicare. Tying that message to McConnel’s Turkey face would scare every one to the polls, even if they have Repub pole obstructions. Where are they. Oh I forgot this is a holiday weekend and the DNC does not do weekends and holidays.
Bingo!
Why is it always the Republicans who issue the ultimatums?
Try issuing this little ultimatum to McFondle: Agree to end the Bush tax cuts, and use that money to boost Medicare benefits for all participants. Absolutely no cuts to Medicare are on the table. Then you must agree to increase the tax rate on those making $250,000 and above. Revenue from that will boost Social Security benefits. Any leftover funds will go toward knocking down the deficit. Failure to agree will mean a no vote on raising the debt ceiling … see how fast Goldman Sachs and friends get on the phone to McFondle and tell him to make a deal.
The Republicans may shoot the hostage, regardless of their patrons’s wishes. They’re in a very bad position, and a lot of the Tea Party Republicans who are now in the Congress are waking up to just how wrong they are. They may do something crazy just to assert their power. It’s a bad situation.
Hominids.
It’s time to call their bluff.