Washington was buzzing yesterday about a Washington Post story about the cost of the war in Afghanistan, and how that may be a constraint on continuing the war. First of all, I don’t really believe this. Exactly how many emergency supplementals have passed, in Democratic and Republican Congresses, for us to continue to accept that there’s some fiscal upper bound on war for members of Congress? Yes, this is supposed to be a new day for fiscal probity, but expecting consistency from the Tea Party will make you wait a long time.
Furthermore, I agree with Michael Cohen that the relative success of the strategy should be more important than the cost, though both are factors. And the fact that the strategy has failed is sufficient enough to argue against continuing the war. This has become the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the Democratic caucus:
It’s more angst than outright anger, but House Democrats are showing real unity for the first time in pressuring President Barack Obama on Afghanistan — with influential moderates now expressing their impatience alongside the anti-war left that drove the early Iraq war debate.
This was dramatized last week when all but eight Democrats endorsed demands that Obama come up with plans this summer to accelerate the withdrawal of U.S. forces and pursue a negotiated settlement with “all interested parties” in Afghanistan, including the Taliban.
The amendment — offered to the annual defense authorization bill — narrowly failed, 215-204, with 26 Republicans joining in the effort and capturing the most attention. But the far greater dynamic was inside the Democratic caucus, where the lead sponsor, Massachusetts Rep. Jim McGovern opened the door for his colleagues by taking out any fixed timetable for withdrawal.
“I think people are uncomfortable with micromanaging how we get out,” McGovern told POLITICO. “But having said that, they still want us to get out, and that’s what this vote is about. It’s about, ‘We need to find a way to bring our troops home.’”
Just read some of the quotes, from hawks like Howard Berman and Norm Dicks, in that piece. They’re not talking about wasted funds, they’re talking about a war that has failed. And they’ve consciously shifted toward getting out. Raul Grijalva now speaks for a united House Democratic caucus when he says to end the war. The senior Administration official quoted in the Politico story confidently – arrogantly, perhaps – said the revolt of practically the entire Dem caucus was not a constraint on them. The isolation is setting in.
If members of the President’s own party won’t be listened to, it’s unlikely that Hamid Karzai will. However, the rebellion of Karzai, who warned that NATO airstrikes and home raids must end after another set of civilian casualties, could just increase the pressure that much more, and convince politicians that there’s no partner for this bizarre nation-building project we have engaged in.






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More puppet theater.
Happy to say that my Congresswoman, Jackie Speier, has voted against EVERY supplemental. Bless her.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
This is playin out just like 1968 and unless ObamaRahma gets rid of the evil spawn of Richard Daley in his White House, the Democratic convention in Charlotte will look exactly like 1968 Chicago except the streets AND the convention floor will be packed with Viet Nam vets and anti-war kids. ObamaRahma has nowhere to hide and within a year Russ Feingold will be sittin’ in the Governor’s seat in Wisconsin waitin’ for the super primary to sweep through the midwest.
Irony is just God’s big trick on humans played out through history and Daley’s kids are in for the same fate as their nasty-assed old man unless Obama gets a clue.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THIS IS JUST GETTIN INTERESTIN NOW!!!
Citizen EternalVigilance:
Stop whinnin about “puppet theater” Citizen and figure out who the good guys are and fight for ‘em don’t cry about it.
First we had to go to war because Bin Laden was alive, now we have to go to war because Bin Laden is dead.
If your “enemy’s” stated goal is to bankrupt you – not kill you or take your planes or building but bankrupt you so you can’t fly or sail to their areas and kill / change their people – it makes perfect sense to consider the cost of fighting the enemy that knows it’s just a matter of tome before the $$$ runs out. This isnt rocket science.
Nice observation. Any excuse to use all those war toys.
I’m sure my congressman is behind the Afghan war / spending all the way.
Can we run an aggressive campaign to get rid of this piece of shit, please?
(Did I spread enough sugar-coating on my sentiment?)
Good guys? Thanks for the good laugh this morning.
You mean Bernie Sanders and the handfull in the house who get steamrolled every time.
No way am I buying into reform from within…the entire system is now corrupted. Need to clean the entire house (and abolish or clean out the Senate as well).
Yep I agree, the demodogs are mad and aren’t going to take any more of this war besides there not enough of the right minerals here and China has beaten us to them. We still have the ME that we continues to F*&^ over. How about they grow some big ones/backbone and get us out all wars and close 900 bases around the world. Bring some of that money home to Main Street.
When the Pakistanis, Hamid Karzai, Walter Jones (the Congressman from Camp Lejeune), and 25 other Republicans agree on something, it’s time to pay attention. It is time to declare victory and go home. And let the Chinese and Russians get sucked into the Great Game. The US needs no presence in Afghanistan besides a modest embassy.
The world is different, much different, from a decade ago. And it was a major mistake a decade ago. But the US is not the only one who has lost power as a result of this war. So have the Taliban. Once the rallying point of driving out the invaders has disappeared, that force fragments. And it is more possible now than in 2001 that the Afghan people might have a say in who governs them. Of course, the issue has been that different Afghan people want different styles of government. But Afghanistan now has a population sick of war and more likely to be in a position to demand a return to ordinary politics.
In 10 years time it will likely be difficult to tell who won or lost–except for the casualties of this misguided war.
And the perverse part about it is that a narrative of US defeat makes it more likely that we will be determined to “stay the course”.
It’s time to declare victory and leave. Our leaving will add, not subtract from the stability of Afghanistan.
Rebuilding Afghanistan (and helping friends)
SIGAR Report April 30, 2011
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction
The Congress has provided more than $69 billion to rebuild Afghanistan since 2002. The President has asked the Congress for an additional $17.3 billion for FY 2012. These funds are supporting the U.S. reconstruction strategy to transition responsibility for security to the Afghan government by 2014.
SIGAR’s investigations directorate is now concentrating our resources on major contract fraud and corruption investigations where we can provide the greatest return for the U.S. taxpayer. Our results for FY 2011, through March 31, have resulted in $1.7 million in savings and more than $33.5 million in fines, penalties, and recoveries.
Herbert Richardson
Acting Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction
http://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/Apr2011/LoresPDF/2011AprilFinal_Lores.pdf
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Afghan inspector general questions construction spending
By Robert Brodsky
January 24, 2011
Insufficient project management and weak contract oversight are jeopardizing billions of dollars in taxpayer-funded Afghan reconstruction monies, a top federal watchdog testified on Monday.
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction Maj. Gen. Arnold Fields, who recently announced that he will resign, told the congressionally chartered Commission on Wartime Contracting that efforts to build bases and training facilities for the Afghan Army and police are well behind schedule and that billions are at significant risk of going to waste.
“SIGAR’s audits of infrastructure projects in Afghanistan have identified serious problems resulting from insufficient planning, inadequate contract management, and inability to provide quality assurance and oversight, particularly in areas that are not secure,” Fields testified.
“These issues place the entire U.S. investment of $11.4 billion in [Afghan National Security Forces] facilities construction at risk of not meeting Afghan needs or intended purposes and resulting in a large degree of waste,” Fields said.
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0111/012411rb1.htm
We expect Obama to fold on medicare cuts to the GOP maybe just a 5% symbolic cut to save the unpopular Tea Baggers some face.
The Dems can’t face their voters with Obama’s surrender and still support the war the Dems need a symbolic troop reduction to save face which of course can always be reversed later by Obama.
When we look at talk to end both wars we need to stop focusing on troop numbers and focus on funding for the wars.
We need to get the Dems to get us numbers including CIA black budget numbers after all Blackwater can provide troops.
We need prosecutions on this.
And why should it be? They’re history’s actors. They create their own reality.
I can’t make the Vichycrat Convention but I’m sure as hell gonna be at the Regressive Convention. They can kill me but they can’t eat me.
This probably contains a large dose of wishful thinking on my part, but I’d really like to see our President challenge the Republican Party in a really cash-aware manner. I’d like to see him ask for a mandate to continue the Afghanistan War. He should request that citizens communicate to their Senators and Representatives two items of data: 1. What income group they’re in, below $30,000 a year, $30,000 to $60,000 or above $60,000 (i.e., Working class, middle class or upper class) and 2. How much of that they’re willing to give the government in extra taxes so that they can see the war continue.
Natcherly, if a Republican citizens wants to transmit his “pledge” via a Democratic Senator or Representative, the Democrat should faithfully transmit the communication. But the burden of getting citizens to send in their pledges should be placed squarely on the Republican Party as they’re the allegedly “pro-military” party. The Republicans should be entirely responsible for getting their supporters to send in their pledges. If the President doesn’t get enough in pledges, he should say “My hands are tied. I don’t have a mandate. We have to start pulling out.”
The idea is for the President to say not only “Do you want the war to continue?” but “Who do I charge to make that happen?” I’d like to see his aggressively frame the issue in a “cash on the barrel-head,” “money on the table” kind of way.
mmm… …bacon. and chips.
Citizen Mr.Chips:
Thanks for reminding me why I don’t spend any time here anymore tryin ta fight through all the pathetic bleating of passive-agressive political deadbeats. If you wanna find out where the “good guys” are take a walk through your neighborhood and if ya still can’t figure it out come on out here to Wisconsin and I’ll introduce ya to a few thousand “good guys” (and “gals”) who’ll tell ya what you can do with your pseudo-sophisticated political cynicism. I’m outta here…gotta go drop off some signs, make a few canvassin calls and then go to a retirement dinner for 16 teachers who are involuntary retirin from our district takin over a hundred years of experience with ‘em and they could tell ya what to do with your pathetic whinnin’.
The Dims in Congress will never oppose the magnificent Oz. President Bipratisan is their beloved leader and the only thing they will demand of him is the chance to have their picture taken with President Putty.
How in the hell can all these Congresscrawlers who have voted for every supplemental funding bill for the warz now come out and say enough’s enough? These are people who are incapable of admitting a mistake or of admitting an error in judgement.
They are even more infallible than the Pope.
The voters have shown they can stay home is droves when they are pissed (2010)
The D reps will have to explain why Grandma’s Medicate (and their) is turning to a piece of shit, when we have ample money to fight meaningless foreign adventures.
China will have a larger GDP than the US by 2016 (IMF forecast), US unemployment will continue, as we are willing to export jobs to “lower cost” (aka: higher polluting and lacking work rules) to please the MOTUs.
That the MOTUs are eating their customer base is not mentioned. (See unemployment).
More U.S. fatalities (35) in Afghan in May than in any previous May of OEF (as was the case with April and March of 2011)… and still heading into the busy season.
USA, USA, USA either we’re broke and can’t borrow any more money or there’s plenty of money for education, madicare for all and public works projects or more bigger, better wars.
Where should we spend the money here or there with the blood money profits included over there.
In the neoliberal ideology high rates of unemployment are not something to be concerned about.
but , but , but we got the mastermind and buried him at sea so see it’s worth every penny we spend on the Magnificent Mindless ‘Merican Murder Machine, we’ll get to where Hitler couldn’t.
We have to see how many people are added to the unemployment rolls due to the floods and tornadoes.
Could be quite a few and the storm season has hardly started.
Hurricane season just started here today. Have to realize the govt is lying about the figures anyhow. Lots more out of work than anybody in govt is ever gonna admit.
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Looking forward to seeing Wisconsin leading the way as we go forward (I’ll be watching at least). My lunch break is over, gotta go back to work.
Killing Bin Laden really did mark the beginning of the end of this tragic fiasco, and that consensus is spreading among the people . This will only underline the complicity of the majority of Americans who have accepted these wars for a decade, as somehow related to getting revenge for 9-11 or somehow “defending our freedoms.”
My guess is that Obama will continue to talk up the Afghan War as opposition builds in both parties and among the populace. That will give him adequate political cover to start pulling out substantial numbers of troops next month. There is no way he can suddenly end this war, or it will look like the defeat that it is. It must look like a victory and not a retreat. “we won” is the message most voters are ready to hear, even if they don’t quite believe it.
He did a very good job of downplaying the end, more or less, of the Iraq War and was not immediately savaged by the MIC and their media allies, and he is likely to do the same here. My prediction is that only small garrisons will be left in both nations by 2012.
I agree we should declare victory and come home.
In case you are interested Afghan President Karzai who came to office trying to get the king back wants peace. If you call Karzai’s comments a stunt than look at this,
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/karzais-peace-council-seeks-release-taliban-leaders-gitmo_550569.html
Perhaps he can ask the Taliban to agree to temporary Hong Kong status to Kabul or request the Taliban make him the mayor of Kabul.
I want to celibrate peace. Imagine that somehow all five Navy Seal’s heald their fire despite Spanish Police trying to apprehend the masterminds of the Madrid back-pack bombers with percussion garnades.
Come on we don’t have to be depressed,
see and comment on,
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2011/06/01/i-want-to-find-active-peace-activists-they-all-seem-to-be-depressed/
Sorry about the reposting I’ll try to remove it
You are assuming that President Drone doesn’t love this war.
Got a phone call today from “the Democrats.” Before the [young] woman could launch into her spiel, I gave her an earful, including the fact that our household included FOUR voters [two parents, two college-age kids who'd registered & voted for the first time in 2008].
Said that all of us had voted for, worked for, and donated to Obama in 2008. and that NOT ONE of us would do so in 2012.
She bleated out, “I know we need more progressive . . ” but I cut her off and hung up.
I hope they’re hearing this message 1,000-fold across the land.
For some wierd reasnon comments are closed at,
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/04/bin-ladens-death-could-pave-the-way-for-peace-talks-in-afghanistan/
David Dayen please open comments again on your previous post on the subject if you can.
I wish you would have continued instead of repeating yourself in a totally watered down fashion,
My.fireDogLake.com/RichardKanePA/