Here we go. The bipartisan PR campaign to extend our military presence in Iraq has begun at the legislative level. Military officials already were making loaded statements about how Iraq would have to inform them soon if they wanted the troops to stay. This never materialized, so I guess you could see this as Plan B.
“Most Americans believe we’re done in Iraq,” said Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Middle East and South Asia subcommittee. “That is at odds with the reality in Iraq.
“The American people thought they had already bought this and paid for this,” Ackerman said. “That appears to not be the case.”
So, too, did members of Congress.
That means the White House soon will have to start “selling a lot of members,” Ackerman said, predicting that the “collision” of reality and lawmakers’ desires “will not be pretty.”
The State Department is slated to assume responsibility for helping Iraqi leaders build up that nation’s military, economic and governing entities on Jan. 1.
“Although the administration’s plan to transition the mission is well-intentioned, I am concerned that it is neither well-timed nor well-reasoned,” said Rep. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio), the subcommittee’s chairman.
Let’s be clear. This is actually not the Administration’s intention. They’re dying to stay in Iraq. They just want the Iraqis to ask for their presence, because only then will it comply with international law, and more importantly because it will give the Administration political cover. Though Sophie Quinton at National Security writes that “it seems likely” that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki will ask for this extension, since it would be career suicide, I would be wary of such a statement.
The Administration, through deputy assistant Defense Secretary Colin Kahl, has pathetically resorted to saying that Iraqi security forces can secure the country internally, but wouldn’t be able to fight an external foe after December. Other than the US, who exactly is planning to invade Iraq? Iran already has their man in charge in Baghdad.
Even if the extension never gets called for, the US plans to have a large State Department presence in their enormous embassy. So the idea that we’re “leaving” Iraq is probably not the right way to look at it. But a total withdrawal of military forces would be an important step, considering that we haven’t actually left a country in many decades without being chased out. It would signal that we actually have the slightest belief in self-determination in the Arab world.



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Hmmmm. Wonder what Sadr’s response will be.
According to a couple of Iraqi blogs, the plan (called Security Agreement II) is to open a bunch of American consulates and distribute the remaining troops under the pretense of securing the consulates.
You’d have to open a ton of consulates to house 40,000 troops.
Expect Gulf of Tonkin II any day now.
Alarmist. Two congressmen does not constitute a “Congressional PR Campaign.” I could purchase two congressmen on my lunch hour; there are 433 more (which would take longer).
Well, bmull the US Embassy consists of .44 square kilometers which I think equals 4,736,121 square feet, so that would equal 118.4 square feet per troop. Not terribly roomy, but perhaps those additional consulates would do it.
Iraqi TV covering this.
“Maliki government contemplates extending U.S. stay in Iraq(27:11) into the program)
The MN National Guard set a record for the longest deployment in Iraq when Bush extended their tour. They’re going back to Kuwait. Ha! Sure they are going to Kuwait. Kuwait is used to pretend they aren’t going back to Iraq. At least Bush didn’t lie about where they were.
I’m so glad that voting for Democrats in 2006 and 2008 made such a difference in our foreign policy. At this rate, Obama will run for re-election on the slogan, “Stasis You Can Believe In.”
And best of all, you never have to use the word “bases” to describe where the troops are.
Guns, Bombs etc of course Obama will say we can’t leave then until Iraq is stable.:(
Of course we’re not finished in Iraq. The oil hasn’t been liberated yet.
Bwahahahaha!
And fat chance and slim chance do mean the same thing
10 years of American support for Iraq and Iraq is producing oil only a little more than it was when Saddam was in charge.
Given the extreme level of mismanagement by KBR and Bechtel it might be best for us to leave Iraq if we ever want oil prices to drop.
Every post WW2 recession had higher oil prices as a contributing factor.
How about a gas tax to pay for the Iraq war:)
Funny you should mention that… speaking with a conservative relative this weekend and I was told in *no uncertain terms* that Yes, Yes, Virginia there definitely most assuredly IS a
Santa ClausIraqi Oil dividend. But like so many other illusive things, such as “trickle down economics,” and more jobs if gazillionaires could get more tax cuts… we “small fry” just have to *wait* a “while longer” for the Iraqi Oil dividend to come through.I said: keep clapping louder for Tinkerbell!!!!!
Don’t think my 2 cents worth was appreciated….
[hope your job's going well, Margaret]
Yep. Just wonder what happened to all those pallets of $100 dollar bills that were shipped over in transport planes back in the early days of the Irak War…. hmmmm, whereohwhere did that money go???
sickening.
Thats the perfect counter punch to this where did the money go? Find the money don’t ask us for a cent for any more wars!
Good idea!
Of course, that money, in various ways, went indirectly into Dick Cheney’s pocket/off-shore account. I’m sure it was used for lotsa bribes/baksheesh to get Dick’s dirty bidness done over there. No way it didn’t inure to his financial gain. Makes his greedy pigheart beat all the faster to think about it…
Nationalize Hal and KBR take away all Dick’s cash.
Job’s going fine thanks. Sorted some things out and the next step is to move to a system that is more contemporary. The lady I replaced was in her 70s and didn’t do computers.
The troops will leave Iraq right after they leave Okinawa.
Besides, what would all those troops do, it’s not like the private sector is hiring anyways.
Oy. Vey.
More betrayal by Obama The Fake and the Democrats.
What amazes me is that so many calling themselves progressives are still supporting Obama The Fake… [not so much here] but on “other” websites.
Too many progressives have sold their souls to the corrupt Democratic party. The corruption of the Democratic party is why I re-registered as an Independent [not affiliatd with any political party].
Enough of these scoundrels.
U.S.Imperialism has always been alive and well under both parties. Nothing new here.
Don, I don’t think Dave being an alarmist at all. I think he’s being a realist. It’s clear as can be that Obama has been using the pentagon to float the “We can’t leave now.” trial balloons, to prepare for the new SOFA.
My 2c, I never expected anything else. There won’t be any invasion from Iran, but if we (when) we leave, their stock is inevitably going through the roof. Of course, there are two powerful and influential allies of ours who have no intention of allowing a Shiite power surge in the mid-east. That is, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
This is going to be moving to the front burner with a vengeance, and because of Obama’s dishonesty and his “bipartisan” bullshit, it couldn’t happen to a better administration.
Early on, he needed to use some of the huge reservoir of political capital that he’s allowed to rot while he hoarded it in the cupboard, to get us the hell out of this shitmire. Like practically everything else that he really needed to do, and didn’t, it’s going to bite him in the ass.
Why shouldn’t it?
Indie, you’re as right as a snake. That blind emotional attachment to the now-utterly-discredited nonsense about Obama being a courageous progressive reformer who’s been thwarted by the big, bad, republicans, is tough to fathom.
It’s also going to be politically lethal in 2012. The GOP had no trouble whatsoever in making the mid-terms all about Obama, and that’s without his running. 2012 is going to be nothing but a referendum on him, period. And I don’t think that figuratively waving Bin Laden’s head around, is going to sustain much of a bounce, a year from now…not with the economy still tanking, and with the two shitmires bubbling away on the front burner.
Exactly…! Since, It is the largest Embassy/Consulate/ad nauseum… complex built, ever since the Romans first got into the business..! ;-)
Things:
“How about a gas tax to pay for the Iraq war?”
No need. Just cut SS to the bone; jack up medical care enough that the seniors will go quietly into that good night; cut out school lunches….and
Blackwater-oops-Xe, will be in wonderful shape for another “operation enduring fuckup”.
Permanent war: George Orwell would be proud of himself, for making the call.
Only one problem with having that Langley-East embassy in the green zone:
If we pull most of our military out, it will quickly become the world’s largest and most expensive mortar-training range.
I’d add as 20 year Army vet… 118.4 sq.ft. per troop, is very commodious indeed…! ;-)
Don’t ya think if we’re not invited back, that’d it wouldn’t be the same scenario anyways…?
It gets worse. Young voters, Latinos, and progressives are disillusioned about Mr. Change-We-Can-Believe-In’s performance and will stay away from the polls in droves. Some may turn their backs on electoral politics for good.
I can remember several years ago, Don, when you properly chastised me for foolishly giving the newly inaugurated President Obama a single moment’s benefit-of-the-doubt regarding America’s imperial military deployments. Given the new president’s foot-dragging in Iraq and stupid escalation of his predecessors’ blundering in Afghanistan and Pakistan, I quickly learned to acknowledge the error of my generosity. I now I enjoin you not to repeat it yourself. We must not give even one moment’s slack to even one of the Congressional shit-birds who will multiply into a majority in a heartbeat given the slightest encouragement to roll over and play dead for the Commander-in-Brief.
So, yes: by all means and any means, raise the alarm! We can never do so often or loudly enough. The shit-birds in power only take silence for acquiescence, so we proles have to disabuse them of that notion 24/7/365. To their each and every trial balloon attempting to plant the seeds for staying where the American military has only wrought a vast disaster — the only thing it knows how to do — we must scream back at them:
“If you knew what to do you’d have done it already! You’ve had ten fucking years, for crying out loud! If you could have, you would have; but you didn’t, so you can’t.”
No more slack for the shit-birds. Not one more minute. Time for those hometown, “Welcome Home” “Victory” parades to begin any day now.
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