This profile of antiwar Republican Walter Jones in the New York Times is pretty interesting.
Some foreign policy analysts now see Mr. Jones, 68, Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, and a small coterie of Tea Party stalwarts as the leading edge of a conservative movement to rein in American military power — a break from the muscular foreign policy of President George W. Bush.
“They reflect a growing discontent within the Republican Party about the wars and a growing feeling that they don’t want to spend money on them anymore,” said John Isaacs, executive director of the Council for a Livable World, an advocacy group that promotes arms control. “They are military noninterventionists.”
Mr. Jones agreed, saying: “We can’t police the world anymore. We’re not the world power. It’s China. Our economy is in chaos right now.”
The piece adds that voters in Jones’ district, which includes the Marine Camp Lejeune, are starting to come around to this view, at least with respect to Afghanistan. And the cost issue seems to be driving a lot of this. I don’t believe that an economic crisis which is being felt by the entire world connotes that we are somehow no longer a world power. But I believe that, in order to keep that status, we need to stop inflaming the world by engaging in imperial adventures.
And I don’t think Jones believes this either; he willingly admits that the Bush Administration lied to him to get him to support the war in Iraq, and that his opposition to wars now flows from that betrayal. Moreover, if you look at Jones’ recent record, he has split with party orthodoxy on much more than matters of war.
But if the cost issue is what it takes to sell conservatives on the idea that we need to be much more humble in our foreign policy, I’ll take that over the neocon push for endless war, and persistence of will standing in place of an actual strategy.
And indeed, the Jones argument about wasting money in pointless wars has broad applicability. It applies to Iraq, where extending our military presence would just cause a mass uprising, collapse the government and put US troops at grave risk (imagine the sad spectacle of five US deaths today in a rocket attack on an operating base being multiplied many times over). It applies to Libya, where Sen. Richard Lugar, who’s moving to the right on most other matters to stave off a Tea Party primary challenge, felt comfortable to write an op-ed castigating the President for denying Constitutional principles in seeking a rubber stamp to continuing military operations. That’s very much in the vein of the isolationist, Jones-ian impulse, rather than the neocons who put together the Senate resolution of approval for the conflict in Libya, which Lugar wants canceled. Here’s what Lugar has to say:
The Founding Fathers gave Congress the power to declare war for good reason: It forces the president to present his case in detail to the American public, allows for a robust debate to examine that case and helps build broad political support to commit American blood and treasure overseas. Little of that has happened here.
This marks a turning point away from the muscular, unilateralist foreign policy of the Bush years, characterized by executive decision making, and toward a more cautious, more circumspect policy view. That is still a minority view in the Republican Party, but it’s growing.



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And it’s interesting coming from Jones. Wasn’t his father a Dixiecrat Congressman?
And this is the guy who gave us “Freedom Fries”. He really did a 180.
Yup. They’re both in Wikipedia.
Don’t want to use the phrase “whatever it takes” to get us out of the wars, because there are no doubt additional agendas operating. While it is refreshing that Jones has publicly acknowledged the Bush-Cheney lies and now sees the wars as the scourge that they are, I suspect the elections of next year is the greater motivation for this 180.
There. Even sadder.
Best news in a long time.
If it’s the election, all the more better. I’ve been laboring under the hypothesis that votes don’t matter any more. I’d love to see some evidence that I’m wrong.
I feel the same. However, I can’t help but be jaded in thinking this is yet another campaign season ploy. The Deficit drums have beat so hard and loud that everyone is looking at the goopers wondering what the hell they are thinking when they intend to take away from America’s oldest and youngest while leaving the war machines going full speed.
i ran a campaign against junior and i give him credit where due but i can say that without a doubt, if his constituency — military, retired military, families of military, base workers or anyone who depends on military contractors — were not %100 behind this, he would not go near it. so it is far more interesting as to how the military culture views the doctrine of endless war, as to any ‘bold stand’ on the part of jones
I have a feeling that they are all sick to death of repeated deferrments or whatever you call the constant returns to war zones.
I’m in the heart of Jones’ district, Greenville NC, and know firsthand the military culture here. This area is the East Coast’s Texas, in terms both of politics and open spaces. Greenville is the seat of Pitt County, which contributed roughly half of Obama’s winning margin in the state – but only because the second-largest campus of UNC (East Carolina University) is here, and due to amazing voter registration and organizing efforts in Pitt County’s large African American community.
With that context squarely in place, Jones’ position conveys the broad awakening among the military and military-supporting I’ve witnessed since moving to this part of the country just over six years ago. Before making Greenville my permanent address three years ago, I lived and worked in New Bern, about 40 miles nearer to Lejeune and to Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Cherry Point. Also closeby are Seymour Johnson (yes, that’s really the name…) AFB, and of course Fayetteville’s Fort Bragg.
When I moved to NC, there were red, white, and blue-themed billboards everywhere, showing a jut-chinned member of each branch of the service beneath the proud declaration: “North Carolina: America’s Military-Friendliest State.” Yum.
But with the wars dragging on, those billboards are now MIA. I’ve also noticed a decline in the once-prominent “I (heart) JET NOISE!” bumperstickers that were everywhere not too long ago.
But perhaps most telling of the growing distaste for war even among people who once chomped Freedom Fries, at least in this part of teh country, is the story of the Navy’s failed “OLF.”
In the acro-happy military, OLF stands for “outlying landing field.” And after a years-long battle, rural communities in far eastern North Carolina – where the only light at night comes from the moon and stars hanging in a sky as big as Texas’ – defeated a proposal to build one there.
In communities where “tree huggers” were often derided before the OLF proposal, residents suddenly invoked bird migration patterns, negative effects on farming, noise pollution – that’s right, JET noise pollution – in beating back what seemed the government’s done deal for building what amounts to a practice area for nighttime landings on aircraft carriers, on some of the most fertile farmland in the nation. Of course you never heard about it outside of eastern NC or southern VA because the mainstream media, which count on advertising from military profiteering corporate elites, didn’t want you to. If word got out that regular citizens cold fight the Navy and win – well. What then??
(You can read about the opposition to the OLF here.)
I’m with David: If cost savings is the excuse necessary to cease the United States’ imperialistic, economy-propping perpetual warmongering, count me in.
I don’t grasp how or why you add the qualifier “or anyone who depends on military contractors” in the same breath with “military”. The point, IMO, is that they are CIVILIAN. Unless you meant Defense Contractors, which still doesn’t fit your theme I think.
David [and Anthony] – does the above reference mean that voters there are souring only on Afghanistan, and that Iraq, and now Libya are A-Okay?
And thank you for educating us on the OFL issue. Just another example of how wonderful the comments are here!! As you point out, we can’t rely on the MSM, so we’ve got to rely on each other.
That’s David’s reporting, not mine, so I’ll let him answer.
But my sense here is that all are tiring of the endless deployments – regardless where to – and the fact that we’re spending billions there that could be creating jobs here.
The best news of Jones’ conversion (we should view Mr. Freedom Fries as the craven political prostitute he is) is that it is prompted by his constituents – Civilian and Military.
They would take him to the woodshed for espousing these views if they were not representative of their own.
The backbiting that will surely issue forth from the other whores in 10,9,8,7….
many defense contractors and their workers are ex military and identify with the military culture and take their interests to heart. i know of a few high ranking officers (colonel and above) who retired from the military and went back to work for them doing the same job only for more money
Howdy, Neighbor!
Not sure that Walter Jones Sr is properly called a “dixiecrat” or not, but he was the conservative Democratic congressman from eastern NC for a long time.
I met him about 1990, while he served as chairman of the old Merchant Marine & Fisheries Committee. He was the personification of the Congressional “Old Bull” of the era.
I’ve always wondered how he felt about his son becoming a Republican.
Grover Norquist has been putting pressure on the goopers to end the war. He now feels that it is causing his dream of a tiny government so small it can be drowned in the tub to vanish.
If you all need a link for his views I can go get one, but I am not an Untruther. I’m all about the Twooph!
Where are ya, PP?
We either willingly end the empire or we collapse in ruin.
Just south of the border. Lake Wylie area.
That would be in the Charlotte area. But actually in SC.
Is it possible there is an alternative view to the War Mongering Obama and the Democrats ?
Hope so.
Peasant, when I fly back home and connect in Charlotte, I always have to make sure I’m on the Greenville NC plane. You’d be surprised how many people inadvertently get on the Greenville/Spartanburg flight. Not me – not yet, at least :)
I love the NYT’s “muscular”. As opposed to, you know, flaccid, or limp-wristed.
hackworth1 @ 16 said,
“The best news of Jones’ conversion (we should view Mr. Freedom Fries as the craven political prostitute he is) is that it is prompted by his constituents – Civilian and Military.
They would take him to the woodshed for espousing these views if they were not representative of their own.
The backbiting that will surely issue forth from the other whores in 10,9,8,7….”
hackworth, I totally agree, my post was pretty much what you wrote.
If his constituents weren’t behind this, he wouldn’t be singing this tune.
Maybe there is hope afterall.
Makes sense. They’re laser foccused on cutting Domestic first. This is a trial balloon for MIC cutting. Perhaps.
There’s gonna be some drinking, some fighting and some rough sex.
Yes, both states have many same named cities.
All I know is that Grover has weekly meetings on Wednesday and he makes repugs sign pledges/contracts supporting his plans. If they stray from that he totally screws them with the money flow.
Tea Party stalwarts as the leading edge of a conservative movement to rein in American military power — a break from the muscular foreign policy of President George W. Bush.
The Media always pumps up the machismo for these assholes.
Muscular shoud read – Wreckless.
More colorful – “Shoot At the Hip” (Implies – thoughtless)
Yes, I remember learning about those weekly Grover meetings.
Dixiecrat or no, the old man Jones was probably more moderate than most Southern congressman, Republican or Democrat, today.
I met him in connection with final passage of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. A response to the Exxon Valdez oil spill, OPA 90 introduced new rules for the use of double-hull tankers and expanded financial responsibility for oil operators involved in spills. Ferociously opposed by the oil and maritime lobbies, the bill was passed anyway, owing to widespread public outrage over the Exxon Valdez spill.
It’s impossible to imagine the Congress passing any bill opposed by the oil lobby today.
issacv is exactly right, with Xe Services – formerly known as
Shoot First Ask Questions LaterBlackwater – being perhaps the most prominent case in point.Walter Jones has been against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for years, even when his constituency was solidly behind Bush and his wars. Here’s Glenn Greenwald:
Give the man some credit.
Walter Jones was a Democrat until court-ordered inclusion of minority-majority Congressional caused his district to be redistricted exactly as he was running for his father’s old Congressional seat. As a Democrat in the state legislature, he pushed for campaign finance reform and lobbying reform. And he very much sees himself as the Congressman from Camp Lejeune.
What triggered his opposition to the Iraq and Afghanistan deployments was Bush’s practice of repeated deployments without adequate relief time.
Agreed. I’m a Paulista. Walter Jones’ name comes up repeatedly from Ron Paul on war and civil liberties issues. I doubt many FDL regulars would vote for either one, but for those who realize the Corporatists own a majority of both parties… Walter Jones isn’t one of the bad guys IMO.
As for military support, in 2008 Ron Paul got more military donations (above the reporting minimum) than any other R. I’m far from convinced that military and veterans are lockstep behind the war effort. Rather, I think it’s the MIC and those who work for them… i.e. Obama, HRC and many elected Rs.
I object strongly to describing Jones’ foreign policy views as isolationist. Apparently you have been tricked into using the neoconservatives’ pejorative to describe a foreign policy that is noninterventionist.
An isolationist foreign policy is what North Korea practices and what the PRC practiced during the Cultural Revolution: no engagement with other countries.
The noninterventionist approach is to engage in commerce with the rest of the world’s countries, but to not interfere with their internal affairs. It is a policy of respecting the rights of other countries to determine their own form of government. It is a policy that rejects interventionist warfare, externally forced regime change and foreign nation building. Isn’t that better?
Rep. Jones had his change of heart back in 2005, so I doubt the next election has anything to do with it. I believe, after talking with him, that he sees his support for the war as a huge mistake and very immoral. He did get some flack from his district for his anti-war stance. I think he is sincere.