This isn’t so much legislation as it is a wish list in op-ed form from a retiring, disliked Senator. But Joe Lieberman’s attack on Medicare is noteworthy, given the trajectory of his history with Medicare.
I’m so old I can remember when Lieberman wanted to expand Medicare. It was in 2009. He endorsed at that time a plan to lower the eligibility age for Medicare to 55 and allow people from 55 to 64 to buy into the program. Then he got wind that liberals liked that idea, and revoked his support, killing the idea when it was on the precipice of passing as part of the Affordable Care Act. Now, in this op-ed, he’s gone completely in the other direction, by endorsing a plan to “raise the Medicare eligibility age every year starting in 2014 by two months until it reaches 67 in 2025.”
This is a pretty cruel idea, mainly because it will actively harm seniors without any financial benefit.
This is not guesswork on our part; there’s clear evidence in the literature. In several papers, Michael McWilliams and colleagues found that utilization, spending, and outcomes for age-eligible Medicare beneficiaries differed for those who had been uninsured prior to turning 65 vs. those who had been insured. Their work was based on survey data, sometimes merged with Medicare claims. This is a relatively strong analytic approach since it exploits a discontinuity in coverage that potentially applies to nearly all individuals: the vast majority of the population enrolls in Medicare at age 65.
The authors found that, relative to those with insurance before age 65, those without insurance prior to Medicare eligibility spent much more money on health care after they became Medicare eligible. In other words, people wait to get care until their Medicare kicks in. This is bad both for health and for the federal government’s bottom line.
It makes no sense to raise the Medicare age. It costs more in the end and increases human suffering. In other words, it’s the perfect Joe Lieberman plan.
And the rest of his ideas in this op-ed are really not much better. He wants to shift costs to seniors by adding co-pays to Medicare and increasing premiums to 35% of program costs. He also wants to “reform Medigap,” which he says leads to overutilization, and he wants to raise additional taxes on the wealthy to pay for the program. But what Lieberman fails to address are delivery system reforms that would, at the root, attack overstuffed provider payments. Notice who Lieberman puts the burden on in his reforms: patients. Notice who he leaves out. He wouldn’t allow Medicare to negotiate for prescription drugs to lower costs. He wouldn’t put dual eligibles into Medicaid, to provide similar care to patients with lower provider costs for the government to pay. He wouldn’t touch reimbursement rates. He wouldn’t further phase out Medicare Advantage, the private insurance alternative to Medicare.
In other words, Lieberman’s plan lets all the industries around health care off the hook. And given that he has represented the interests of the Connecticut insurance and pharmaceutical industries throughout his entire career, none of this is surprising.
Lieberman calls his ideas “a starting point for discussion.” The fear is that, just as raising the retirement age gained traction in the Social Security debate, this just-as-wrong increase in the Medicare eligibility age would gain adherents. And seniors would lose.




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Take billions from Americans in need, give billions to Israel to oppress innocents. Its the Joe Lieberman School of American Patriotism.
The is indeed a starting point for discussions . . . . Between Joe and the industry he’ll lobby for in a couple of years. This is a blunt request for bribes.
And since this idea is even dumber than Ryans plan, it’s designed to poke liberals in the eye. Ryan and friends can now point to ole liberal Joe as saying, see, even they think the elderly need to face the market more.
I also like how Joe begins the op-ed with a lie; he says the entire Medicare debate has now become “another excuse for partisan pugilism. It is enough to make you want to become an independent.”
No, Joe, you didn’t BECOME an independent. You were thrown out of your party in a primary, remember?
What an ass. He can’t leave soon enough.
Speaking of AIPAC whores, I notice today that Fatah wants to form a Palestinian unity government with Hamas in which the Fatah leadership stays in place and the Hamas leadership is dissolved. So much for unity…
Isn’t his wife already a lobbyist for the ind?
So who’s going to be the new “mean and self-absorbed” standard-bearer in the Senate after he’s gone?
No shortage of candidates for that. One is tempted to say the other 99 plus his replacement.
Lieberman is an ass and I hope that REAL Democrats will remember that DLC fake democrats like Bill Clinton supported Joe Liebermann for Congress instead of Ned Lamont the candidate who beat out Lieberman in that primary.
Lieberman is a total corporate shill. Haddassah Lieberman, his wife is a health care lobbyist, She has worked for for HIll & Knowlton. Mrs. Lieberman signed on with the Hill & Knowlton in March of 2005, GlaxoSmithKline, the huge British-based drug company that makes vaccines along with many other drugs. In April of 2005, a month after his wife joined Hill and Knowlton Senator Lieberman introduced a bill that would awared bilions of dollars in new “incentives” to companies like GlaxoSmithKline to persuade them to make more new vaccines. The bill was written by Chuck Ludlan, a former pharmaceutical industry lobbyist who then worked on the Connecticut senator’s staff. From his office to his bedroom, Lieberman is totally surrounded by current and former employees of Big Pharma.
Lieberman is a crook a liar and an ass.
And the biggest hang dog face I’ve ever seen.
“Lieberman is a crook a liar and an ass.”
And a major *shandah* (Yiddish word for ‘disgrace’).
“This is a pretty cruel idea, mainly because it will actively harm seniors without any financial benefit.”
I don’t like Joe Lieberman, his wife works for a health Insurance company and the Heartford Insurance company is one of the worst for profit Insurance company period… Thumbs down !
Lieberman was Al Gore’s running mate and Obama’s mentor and is a perfect example of a self serving ass hole. Fuck you Joe!
Joe is a spiteful little man and is furious with the voters who forced him to become an independent. How dare they! He is doing everything he can to undermine our country.
Why not raise the age to 85? Go whole hog.
Pffft! Bet Lieberman’s plan becomes the default “left” position.
I’m so old I can remember when Lieberman wanted to expand Medicare. It was in 2009. He endorsed at that time a plan to lower the eligibility age for Medicare to 55 and allow people from 55 to 64 to buy into the program. Then he got wind that liberals liked that idea, and revoked his support, killing the idea when it was on the precipice of passing as part of the Affordable Care Act
Its shifts like this we need to Score on in Kelly’s proposed FDL scorecard the I support Lefty ideas until that is the idea has an actual chance of passing.
I think that Politicians that for months, years even get Lefty Cred running on issues they know won’t pass then when we actually have a chance of making our ideas law should get punished Extra.
Joe maybe Congress can lead by example your rich you can afford your own private healthcare.
Joe why does Israel have national healthcare? Why does American send Israel money when Americans can’t get National Healthcare?
I watched the Senate hearings on the Federal (subsidized) Flood Insurance program this morning. Where are the Republicans who want the private sector to control everything? They certainly were not at these hearings! Everyone of the Repubs complained about the cost of flood insurance, the fact that there is a 30 day waiting period (so you can’t get insurance coverage the day before a flood). I remember one Republican senator a few months ago even proposed making flood insurance retroactive!
Why does this country subsidize property insurance, keeping it in a government program, but refuses to do the same with something far more basic – health insurance? Maybe it’s because all of those Republicans like the government subsidized insurance for their expensive beach homes in hurricane territory.
More “conventional wisdom”.
Scary how effectively it works. If they can’t “convince” you, then they just buy you.
OT, sorry, but check out my new diary. Strangely, none of my diary entries are showing up in the recent section anymore.
http://my.firedoglake.com/tambershall/2011/06/11/are-we-attacking-iran-in-september/
You took the words right outta my type-y thing-y.
If LIEberwhore is so “concerned” about Medicare, then why are WE taxpayers on the hook for Joe & Hadsassah’s gold-plated heath care for the rest of their skeevy, nasty, shriveled, crooked, theiving, crummy lives???
Hey Joe! Go get a JOB for a change and PAY your own way.
Oh yeah, right: Joe’s gotta job: with BigIns where he’ll continue to enjoy all that sweet sweet payola for sucking the tittie of the corporatists in order to screw the serf voters.
PTOUI!!!!!!!!!
One of the Goldenthousand whores, who I really don’t give a shit what someone, like joe, who doesn’t place America and it’s citizens first thinks ?
It’s “people” like this, ruling us, that have destroyed the American dream for his and his wife’s personal gain.
Shall we start a betting pool to which position at CIGNA, Aetna, AHIP or some combination thereof he gets?
Haddassah needs new shoes, baby!
Gah.
Great Minds think alike:)
heh… I liked a lot of your questions and comments at the book salon today. I was busy, so just lurked. very interesting, but very depressing… ay carrumba!
There’s no stopping the “reformers” and “savers” until coverage kicks in one month after the death of the “beneficiary.”
Feature, not bug.
Just sayin’
You’re being generous today, are you?? /s
Frankly, you gotta know that if LIEbertoad could cut Medicare completely and force the serfs to either die quickly or spend down their puny retirement accounts – thanks to the ravaging & pillaging by the banks & Wall ST – on giving BigIns CEOs even bigger salaries, only then would LIEbercreep be truly *happy.*
We can, but what are we going to use as chips? Cheetos?
I’m just kidding ya.
Thank you I would have stayed longer at the book salon but the library was closing. The media all deciding that Greens are terrorist in all these plots vs the actual record of Green violence would have been my next question.
The net is working today at my place hopefully it keeps working so I can stay:)
very interesting, but very depressing… ay carrumba!
I think its a sign of hope that the Feds, the corporate Media etc have to spend so much money to stop us. Most voters favor Green positions on the issues.
What else would he say. Very few politicians care about anything but helping corporations and the wealthy. Lieberman has a long track record of fighting anything which might help the average American.
Good next question. We both need to read that book. Maybe your library will buy it and/or you can get on inter-library loan.
OT:
Yes and no, I guess. I was, frankly, shocked to learn what’s going on and the absolutely *draconian* measures being employed to stop “greens.” Myohmy, but it’s all about big bidness & making money, that’s for sure. I shouldn’t be so surprised having lived thru the COINTEPRO days, where Hoover even infiltrated feminist consciousness raising groups… sheesh.
Guess we must be some sort of thorn on their sides. Feel like Sysiphis some days…. there goes that boulder again…
(OT) Yep. How does Oilbomber live with himself? He’s completely anti-earth. The US gov’t are the eco-terrorists. Fracking, oil drilling, mountain top removal, etc etc. There’ll be nothing left when these moral midgets get done with Gaia.
Agreed I can’t believe the Feds think the Greens are the biggest domestic terror threat.
Hey, the FBI once infiltrated a vegan pot luck. Yeah, we vegans are going to blow shit up. Jeebus. But hell, they infiltrated the Quakers, so I guess everyone is a domestic terrorist if you are not a gun-toting, Bible thumping right winger.
Cognitive Dissonance he needs to not think about certain things either that or he rationalizes his behavior by lying to himself much like Chicago economists ignore real world evidence they are wrong because they need to rationalize their guilt.
Guilt is a terrible thing I wonder if it plays a part in mental illness and well things like Reagan going senile?
I think this subject would be great to research if I had the cash to bank roll medical studies.
Lieberman is not running for reelection so I guess he decided to show his true loyalties — to the Tea Party radicals and the rest of the depraved Republican Party.
This country is long past the time when we should have implemented a health care plan for everyone and that means one with the public option.
Republicans are going in the opposite direction. Their direction is to disenfranchise not only seniors today but with the plans like Paul Ryan and Joe Lieberman are endorsing, younger people will be far worse off than those who are retiring today.
If the Ryan plan succeeds these younger people who plan to retire in the next 10 years will need more than their 401K’s (if they haven’t drawn everything out by then) to pay for increasing health care costs + many of them may have to care for their parents and grandparents who will not be able to afford to buy health insurance coverage with measly Ryan vouchers.
We need to do a 180 from the Republicans and start putting more pressure on Democrats to stand up to the “Cut Everything” mentality that has permeated both parties. Universal health care should be a top priority.
In the meantime, who is putting any pressure on Big Health Insurance companies whose current 20% administrative costs are rising 3 times faster than the rate of inflation? Cut their fat, cut their lobbyist influence and cut out all the middlemen and maybe we can convince some politicians whose own health care coverage may disappear as quickly as it has for the millions of jobless Americans that time is running out.
If everyone caves in to the greedhead Koch brothers and corporate oligarchs America as a Third World country will occur in less than one generation. Joe Lieberman has proven to all of us how duplicitous he is. He is a vile snake who fits right in with the Republican Party of greed.
O will live with himself a lot better after he ceases to be prez and makes a lot of money like Bill Clinton.
I am not doubting the Feds are calling Greens the biggest domestic terror threat I am doubting their decision process :)
Perhaps the next time Tea Partyers brandish their Glocks, Berettas and Brownings at town hall meetings and invite their vermin to show up at their political rallies to fire a fully automatic weapon to “remove” Democrats from office they should be openly reminded that Second Amendment rights belong to all of us. I can say it too, “Don’t tread on me!”
“And what I’m saying to the people of Connecticut, I can do more for you and your families to get something done to make health care affordable, to get universal health insurance …” — Lieberman during 2006 Senate Primaries
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/07/AR2006070700029.html
Isn’t it true these guys only have to get elected once and they have lifetime medical at any age?
No shortage of candidates.
Don’t forget the trillions we spent on the Iraq War he cheerlead for. Imagine how much medical care those trillions could have paid for back home.
No, that’s not true although that is one of the pieces of propaganda that Republicans/Tea Partyers toss out to convince their ignorant constituents.
No, I’m not sticking up for Lieberman but it is important to know that if a Congressman/woman serves 3 terms or years and a senator serves one term, also 6 years, based on an annual salary of $174,000 they would receive a pension of $17,000 per year. Now, that’s not peanuts but it’s hardly lavish.
Every congressman/woman pays into the same health care plan that is offered to all federal workers. It is not mandatory. It’s called the FEHB or Federal Employees Health Benefit system. Again, it is not some Cadillac health coverage like TPers spread the lie about but it is adequate and it also consists of dozens of private insurance companies like Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Pacific Care, Humana and others. It is not free.
Personally, that is the health care that all Americans should have. Everyone pays into it and the costs are kept at a reasonable and affordable rate. There really is power in numbers.
Tricare for the military retirees is far more generous. A retired military NCO or officer after serving 20 years, still working in the private sector, can purchase health care insurance for himself or herself for under $500 per year. I wish everyone had that, but to say government paid-for health care is inefficient is just another lie spread by Republicans because it’s been a politically successful piece of propaganda.
Joe Lieberman has been at odds with liberals now for a while. He HATES us for our primary challenge to him. He knows he can’t win reelection again and continues to do things out of spite against his perceived enemies out of spite.
The sad thing about this… Joe is not hurting me. He is hurting all of those people who could be getting healthcare from medicare. He should feel not just ashamed of what he is doing but guilty for all the lives that may have been saved had they been able to be on medicare via the ACA. Just goes to show how self centered he really is.
I wonder, if (R)governor of Ohio kasich–if he could–would force retired military to pay more for their health care as he likes Ohio teachers, police, fire and others to pay more for theirs?
It seems the Pentagon has Americans hosed in forcing taxpayers to pay for lavish health care coverage for the many, many retired and currently employed military members. So, a retired military person at the age of 37 or 38 can have health care for the rest of his or her life and for a spouse and children up to the age of 26 for 500 dollars a year. (other Americans would pay approx 1500+- per month for families w/ kids). There is no reason the military should have better insurance than other Americans.
The military is basically a jobs program given no real war mission in protecting America. It’s all for Pentagon and war dividends busy-body nationbuilding. The Pentagon is a very wasteful unit–and no “glory” is worth our national and domestic demise. There has been no glory for a long, long, time. Why is the Pentagon holding Obama by the ears?
What would the unemployment number be if the three wars actually ended and the troops came home? Why haven’t gifts to The Street, and the Bush-Obama tax cuts to the wealthy created more jobs? Bc it was and is all a HOAX.
Time to come clean on the real and total military budget. It has no effect on national security to disclose this to the American public. Tired of the secrecy and the gov’t gun-to-taxpayer-heads while grabbing and legally stealing the secret military spending budget from our homes, our health and chidrens’ mouths.
(BTW, Kasich has cut local gov’t budgets by 25% +- in Ohio, and has cut his state budget by only about 4-5% +-. What personal benefits will kasich take with him after slashing and burning Ohio for one or less term? Kasich prolly wont even want to live in Ohio after he is done with it. Dennis might need to come in and clean up after Kasich to let all Ohioans know they are not valueless pieces of shit).
The Pentagon and wrongheaded R state governors are bringing down America far better than OBL allegedly ever did.
Let the citizens dump traitor Joe into a tar pit,then douse with elephant dung and then walk him of of town. Dousing him with feathers, and riding him or a rail, is to good for this schlemiel.
Very true –
and the Obama and Lieberman “shifts” are always toward the Tea Party/GOP.
Here on Medicare Joe went from expanding to include 55 and over to his current wanting to cut it back to only those over 67 – he has no cost control or any other idea to fix it except Texas type tort reform that Texas actual post reform experience shows is between a 0.5 and a 1.0 percent annual reduction in health care costs. .
Previously with GW Bush Joe want the President to get his judge and other nominations an up or down vote – no filibuster. Now Joe is not leading any effort to get Obama judges, despite their being in general mainly conservative Dems, to a vote up or down.
Better to raise the FICA cap.
Just for fun: take the ratio of CEO compensation to median compensation, and apply it to the poverty income threshold to calculate the FICA cap.
At 400x, that works out to charging FICA on the first $4.6M for an individual, $8.9M for a family of 4.
I wonder how much that would help fund Medicare and Social Security.
I’d agree. Except take ALL the aid to the Middle East and curtail it. We have been paying a premium there to foster conflict all along.
Lieberman’s dithering is symptomatic of the problem with Fed involvement in healthcare from the gitgo. Everyone wants healthcare, but nobody wants to pay for it, and the Feds can’t forcefully figure out how it’s to be paid for and make a convincing case there.
The end game isn’t ACA but single payer / single source down the road. I don’t always agree with Kucinich, but on this one I do.
Best question Yet!
Short and sweet…here’s a guy that should go into rehab, permenantly, and not have to post the weiner to get there.
Joe Lieberman is neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. Discuss.
I exempt Bernie Sanders and Al Franken. Maybe Sherwood. Might be a few others not interested in lining their donations pockets while ensuring higher profits for the for profit health insurance companies.
Is Lieberman acting as Obama’s stalking horse on this? Floating a trial balloon for Barry? Obama does so like to do things behind the scenes and with doors closed….
I’ll try to be as succinct and straight forward as I possibly can: Joseph Isadore Lieberman can suck my cock.
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Krugman does a nice job of slicing this proposal to bits in Monday’s NYT (6/13/11)
Mostly, he points out that people put off dealing with illnesses when they are getting close to Medicare age, saving themselves some cash short term, but making themselves more ill and thus more expensive to treat when they cross that 65-yr-old line. making them wait one or two years longer would actually m,ake them that much MORE expensive to treat. At least the ones that didn’t die in those two years. (Death panels, anyone?)
By this logic, lowering the Medicare age would make the per-year per-person cost of treatment cheaper, but then that’s what the ‘Medicare For All’ folks were saying to begin with.