Senior Democratic politicians have begun to sound the alarm on jobs. They want to see some major spending programs, for example an investment in infrastructure, to goose demand and increase economic growth. But so far, the only thing the Obama Administration is discussing, according to published reports, is a renewed payroll tax cut, this time on the employer side. There’s currently a payroll tax cut of two percentage points on the employee side, running through the end of 2011.
Would this work as a job creation measure? Would businesses with lowered costs for hiring then use that extra money to hire more workers, or react by not laying off others? I asked some economists about this, and the reaction was decidedly mixed.
“The major driver of whether or not businesses hire has to do with demand for their services,” said Michael Linden of the Center for American Progress. Government can create and stimulate that demand, but that’s not necessarily what an employer-side payroll tax cut would do. The employee-side payroll tax cut does it, by putting extra money in the paychecks of people, who then will presumably spend it. A lot of that additional consumer spending in 2011 has been eaten up by rising gas prices, but if you believe those prices would have gone up anyway, it’s clear the employee-side payroll tax cut helped by making things less worse.
The employer-side tax cut, however, just reduces the cost of hiring. Larry Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute believes that this wouldn’t move the needle on jobs at all. “The point here is not to lower the cost of labor to get people to hire more workers. The point is to put more money into people’s paychecks throughout the year to increase people’s spending.” Mishel adds that many employers currently have a ton of cash reserves, and they’re sitting on it, rather than spending it to hire workers. “Employers make money when they have customers, and they won’t spend until then,” Mishel said.
Other economists think that it’s worth a try as a less-bad policy that could work on the margins. “It’s better than nothing, it’s better than an estate tax cut, for example,” Linden said, citing a policy that just hands more money to rich people who aren’t likely to spend it. “We also need to fill in that demand gap, but given the political limitations, it’s not a bad idea, though it shouldn’t be the only idea.” Chuck Marr of the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities agreed. “There are things you can do that are more important that would be better,” citing the renewal of extended unemployment benefits before they run out at the end of the year. “But given how weak hiring is, it’s worth trying at this point.”
The Congressional Budget Office made an interesting entry into this debate last year. In an assessment of different stimulus measures on employment, they gave an employer-side payroll tax cut pretty high marks. They said this policy would raise output by $0.40 to $1.20 per dollar of total budgetary cost, a multiplier effect as high as any other option except for extending unemployment benefits, and higher than an employee-side payroll tax cut. They think it could reduce the prices employers charge for their products, stimulating purchases and raising demand, in addition to increasing hiring.
Some economists question this analysis from CBO. “I don’t know exactly why they show that,” said Mishel of EPI. “I’m mystified by it.”
One thing is clear: if the employer-side payroll tax cut would have to be offset by spending cuts to make a deal palatable to the GOP, that would not increase aggregate demand at all, and the stimulative effects would be canceled out. “In isolation it’s not a bad idea,” said Linden of CAP. “But if the deal was, employer tax cut in exchange for $100 billion in spending cuts, that wouldn’t be a good deal.”
There’s also the persistent concern of cannibalizing the payroll tax over and over, and how Republicans would try to use that to weaken the Social Security system, which is funded by the payroll tax, over the long term. A smaller payroll tax, even if bolstered by general revenue during these one-off tax holidays, could be used to infer that Social Security faces greater long-term funding challenges.
Looking broadly, a payroll tax cut on the employer side may stimulate some small portion of demand. But remember that the employee-side version, along with other stimulative measures like extended unemployment benefits, is set to expire in December. Replacing that with the employer-side payroll tax cut would just maintain the status quo at best. And given the weak economic forecasts we’ve seen over the past month, that’s simply not good enough. Said Michael Linden of CAP, “We should not just be talking about extending existing measures. We should be talking about new ones.”



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A bone thrown to the (f’ckin moron lefties) in O’s reelection campaign. Of no major consequence.
sounds like an even lamer version of the check that dubya gave us all to keep quiet about the obscene tax cuts of 2003…
Just another step in destroying Social Security.
I thought social security and medicare were going broke? Why are we using money earmarked for these programs?
Is this the second shot at getting rid of the pesky FICA deductions and causing Social Security/Medicare to fail?
No one is saying anything about this heist and it is coming about under a DEMOCRATIC Senate and President.
The silence is deafening. Wake up America………
Big whoop. The piles of cash companies are sitting on will just get bigger, and the alarms sounding already at the ‘tax increase’ expiration of the employee side cuts will just get louder.
Interestingly enough, around about 09, I sent an email to cnbc arguing that the piling up of corp cash and substitution of capital for labor (see Friday’s NYT) was more or less permanent and not its usual cyclical phenomenon. My email was even read on air, being one of the few that was contrary to conventional wisdom but objectively worded enough not to offend the koolade drinkers.
It does not stimulate or create. It’s euthanasia of social security. First you open up the left arm of the workers and then the right arm of the employers and then sit back as the fund is bled dry. SS (social security) Dr. Death Obama knows what he’s doing. Kervorkian went to jail for less.
Yep, it will never get repaid just like the govt. employee pension being used to keep the govt afloat right now. Schock Doctrine in SLOOOOOOW Motion.
Their piles of cash won’t save their souls, if they have any of those.
As I said yesterday, I’d rather have a rich heart and an pocket.
And, I won’t waste any prayers on them. See how I am?
I wonder if Obama and Co. use HeadOn to treat their headaches. Placebos seem to be their thing.
Admittedly, this is a placebo that has the effect of undercutting Social Security, so maybe it actually is achieving their intended objective…
A renewed payroll tax cut. That’s all they got. The Minimalist Approach to stimulating the economy. Hot dang!
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Er, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks . . .
A two point cut on the employer side will not result in the hiring of more workers. No additional workers are needed in a contracting economy. That is stupid. It will help to deplete Social Security.
When Social Security becomes sufficiently depleted (by the Democratic party), it will be easier for the Neocons like Obama, Biden, Geithner, Cantor and McConnell to make the argument that diverting it to Wall Street can
saveshort it.Another horseshit neoliberal plan from the Chicago School Boys. One of 6 either unemployed or underemployed and the figure is prolly actually higher. If those other 5 aren’t able to spend enough out of their stagnant wages to increase spending how the hell does the administration think cutting the employer-side payroll tax is going to boost consumer spending? Sure, the employers will spend what they don’t have to pay but how much of a stimulus will that be? More voodoo economics from the Summers crowd.
There was just a post earlier about Keynes. I’m no economist but it seems to me that if me and people like me are tightening our belts, we can’t buy the products (or as much) of these employers. why would they hire people to make more of a product when people are buying less of it? they shouldn’t of course. Nothing nefarious about that. what sucks is giving them tax cuts to create jobs that no one can expect them to create unless more people get jobs and spend $ on their products. handing $ to employers and expecting them to create jobs won’t work. Just my humble. And all that I’ve said is about manufacturing. But I guess it translates, at least somewhat to service jobs as well.
Its not better than nothing. It is worse than nothing. It is helping to cut the cost of doing business to increase profit that will go straight into the bank, and then into dividends for the stockholders. The dividends will make the stock price go up so executives will get bigger bonuses. Nobody will be hired.
And Social Security will be hurt. It is one more thing that will cause Social Security to look less solvent and thereby give ammunition to those who want to cut benefits. There is absolutely no good to come of this, and a lot bad.
Just don’t do anything. They have gone so far into fantasy land that they are a danger to themselves and others.
and what? there’ll be a compromise? Obama: We’ll give the rich guys a little less money to create ZERO jobs and in exchange we’ll get smaller budget cuts and fuck over a few less people who depend on the assistance. Go to it Obama!
Saw your comment to me earlier, and thanks. Lifting you up. Stay strong. People Do Care.
“It’s not better than nothing. It’s worse thah nothing.”
Agreed.
Why in the world would a business go to the trouble to actually produce something and deal with all the pesky, needy things like employees and capital, when they can just stick all the money they are sitting on in the great Wall Street Ponzi?
Geez, and I’m not even a rocket scientist.
Thanks Demi. That’s great work you’re doing. Sounds like it also benefits as you enjoy it alot.
Big :) to you.
Isn’t it nice to have friends you’ve known for a while?
Yup demi and I do include BFL ☺ ☺
Tax cuts to create jobs in this climate? We already gave them tons and tons of money and they’re holding onto it, after giving themselves huge bonuses and what not. This new tepid, limp tax-cut proposal sounds more like that old transfer of wealth routine at which the current administration seems quite adept.
sure is. i need to get back doing good stuff. used to volunteer at a literacy place, teaching adults to read. very satisfying for me but obviously, more important getting people literate. i’ll drop them a line tonight while i’m thinking of it
You!
I’m not surprised. Do it again. You’re doing Just Fine, Dear.
Prayers are a precious thing. I suspect yours are much better spent on the people who will suffer terribly as a result of these policies.
Why would we want to do this again? This will only create another and bigger hole in the SS and medicare funds and give the thugs another excuse to cut those programs. And if you have to match this with spending cuts, it won’t do much. I don’t get it. But the genius economists probably just love it.
Exactly. And what are they doing with this horded stash? They’re investing in capital–not jobs. So what are they likely to do with the tax break?
The very definition of insanity. The cream that rises to the top these days is curdled.
I know I have asked this on numerous occasions, but –
When did the Democratic party become the party of tax cuts?
And…made Exxon Mobil #1 in corporate profits!!
That is how I read it – workers do not get hired if no demand – and a few dollars more in the EMPLOYERS pocket does not make for more demand causing new hiring – perhaps demand for more things from China, but not for more hiring. At least the one year 2% payroll tax cut that we got in exchange for lower estate tax rates and a 2 year extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich has the employee getting the break and therefore a small stimulus. The CBO’s hope for a GDP gain of $0.40 to $1.20 per dollar of total budgetary cost is based on correlations that don’t in my opinion reflect causation despite CBO saying it would have employers giving up profits by charging less and buying more (only 25% of new employer purchases these days comes from US sources).
As to increasing hiring, I can only hope that this gift to the GOP of another employer tax cut does achieve new hiring – despite the fact that all prior such gifts have not done so,
Now the Democratic party will use an Employer Side Payroll TAX CUT which will have to be offset by further spending cuts to satisfy the GOP? Talk about a win/win situation for the GOP. The Democratic party will hand them tax cuts AND spending cuts.
that payroll ‘tax-cut’ money is gonna be pocketed by the owners and kept. As one ‘businessman’ said recently “I have all the employees I need to make the most profit I can. If I hire another employee, the cost of that new hire will come out of the wages of the current employees”. Notice he never thought about taking it out of his own “most profit I can”. That thought never entered his beautiful capitalist mind.
Between this guys attitude and the crazy unamerican idea that the unemployed need not apply for new jobs, only currently employed people will be considered, we need to seriously cull the ‘employer’ ranks the hard way.
Trick question. The answer is C: None of the above.
Fanning the flames of discontent:
In a pinch, half of U.S. families can’t find $2,000 LINK.
Larry Summers just came out calling for more $tim. At some point during the 2012 election cycle Obama is going float a sort of apology to the American people for him and his ‘team’ not getting the recovery right. He will send up a trial balloon along the lines of ‘we didn’t do enough when we should have done more’. I wonder how that will play out?
This is such stupid bullshit. I can’t believe so-called Democrats think this is a good idea.
“Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.”
-Cree Indian Prophecy-
Either Impeach Obama or revolution. It can’t happen, here but is the only two options. I think we could have a mini-Egypt rebellion if we get our message out. Sigh… Dammit we need to do something.
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As some one said in a previous thread, the Social Safety Net “Death by a thousand cuts.”
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That’s what happens when you become a fascist country.
The rich, who own most all the stock in America, and nearly all the businesses, want the FICA tax cut forever. They like money, your money, in their pocket.
Why is it so difficult for overeducated American intellectuals to see a robbery in process?
Brainwashed? Afraid to talk without “upsetting” anyone or anything?
Compromisers leave their principles on the table when they leave the room, unless it’s the WH where they leave them at home.
I think they are busy trying to put food on the table and pay the bills. The way they rob from us is they have bought the media and there isn’t many places to get the truth. They divide and conquer it’s the way it’s always been so says Howard Zinn. Just MHO
I think in order to get that high a multiplier for employer payroll tax cuts you’d have to make a five year committment, and that would be pretty costly. But whatever. I agree with those who say it’s better than nothing.