Yesterday we looked at the potential responses from Democrats in Wisconsin to the dirty trick from Republicans, who plan to run “spoiler” candidates in the recall elections to force primaries and move the general recall elections out to August. Democrats had a couple options, ranging from taking the high road to retaliating with spoiler candidates of their own. The final decision reflected mostly a high road approach. Democrats will not run “spoiler” Republicans in the recalls, to force the Republican incumbents into primaries. They will, however, run placeholder candidates in the Democratic primaries, which regularizes the schedule for the recall elections. Here’s the statement from Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate:
“The unprecedented Republican manipulation of these recall elections has compelled a number of people to urge a level playing field by running fake candidates in GOP primaries.
“We cannot and will not stoop to the Republicans’ level by encouraging candidates to lie about their party affiliation, or recommending that people try to deceive voters. We never have done that, and won’t start now. This is something that every single one of our six challengers has said they adamantly oppose. Fred Clark, Jess King, Shelly Moore, Nancy Nusbaum, Jen Shilling and Sandy Pasch — along with Senator Miller — all contacted the party over the last 24 hours to make it crystal clear this was absolutely the wrong tactic.
“At the same time, these phony GOP primary candidacies have in essence allowed the Republicans to seize the ability to call these elections at a date of their choosing. They can pick and choose which sham primaries to force. That’s wrong. Selecting an election day is a responsibility that should fall to an independent, nonpartisan agency looking out for the people of Wisconsin — not to a political party gaming the system for partisan gain. This transparent GOP conspiracy has cheated the people of protections against such dirty tricks.
“That is why we must guarantee these primary and general election dates move forward. The only way to do that in the face of these deplorable Republican tactics is by ensuring Democratic primaries with placeholders.
“This approach will keep the Republicans honest – an increasingly difficult task given the stunts they’ve pulled. It sends a clear statement that the GOP attempts to exploit the political process won’t be tolerated. It also ensures a much fairer process than what Republicans have concocted with their dirty tricks, as well as reduces confusion among voters about when recall elections will take place.
So there will be a deliberate schedule for the recalls. Here it is:
July 12: Primary elections for the six recalls of Republican state Senators.
July 19: Primary elections for the three recalls of Democratic state Senators.
August 9: General elections for the six recalls of Republican state Senators.
August 16: General elections for the three recalls of Democratic state Senators.
There’s some value in making the process standard, with primaries and general elections in all the recalls. It reduces confusion.
However, several of the problems raised by the spoiler candidates still apply. Republican incumbents are not likely to have primary elections, and with open primaries in Wisconsin, Republican voters can try to elect the spoiler candidate against a Democratic challenger in the primary. Outside corporate backers can also run ads over a longer time frame, battering the Democrats in the primaries and driving up their negatives. Republican incumbents get more time to campaign and fundraise.
And worst of all, the state Senate will remain in Republican hands until at least August 9. That means two more months of a Republican trifecta in Wisconsin. Scott Walker and his allies have already used the last month or so to rush through his agenda while the Republicans still have total control. The added month of control will allow for potentially more legislation to get through. The state budget is expected to pass in the coming weeks, and the anti-union measures which are being held up in court may be tacked onto them. And redistricting may go through in this time period as well. That could cement Republican gains with a gerrymandered map. Even if Democrats win the state Senate in the recalls, and even if they win back the Governor’s mansion early by recalling Scott Walker, they still have to win the Assembly to ensure repeal of things like the anti-union measures. Democrats would need ten seats to win that control, and with a gerrymandered map, that becomes more difficult, though not totally impossible.
The point is, Republicans basically succeeded in their aims at running spoiler candidates: they get another month of power in Madison, and they get more time to protect their own members and blast their opponents. Recall fever may be too high to save the state Senate for the GOP, but they at least achieved a one-month reprieve.




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Happy Sunday. Democrats are pussies. Let me draw an analogy. I’m a Yankees fan, right. So the last 5 games at least one Yankee–one of their best ones every time– gets drilled by an opposing pitcher. With one pretty lame exception what have the Yankees done about it? Nothing. Which is exactly why their players keep getting hit. Which is why they are 2nd in the major leagues in having their batters hit by pitches. The solution? Put somebody on his ass. Make them, eat dirt. Geddit democrats? Grow a pair, huh? Off to church.
I am tired of democrats taking the “high road” and getting screwed every time they do. As a country we can no longer allow ourselves that kind of prissy “it is better to have played fairly and lost then fought in the dirty with the other side and won” attitude.
Unless we really want to lose, of course.
I don’t even know what a placeholder is. Sorry WI Dems. The Repub stunt isn’t a “dirty trick”. Perfectly legal. Kicking yourself for not thinking of it before them, huh? You should be.
100 % correct. My sediments exactly.
what’s a placeholderf?
Yep. Ds wimp out again. How predictable was that.
The Dems seem to think public perception will help them. It won’t. Fear tactics and winning by any means necessary is the current state of politics in the US. When the R’s win, they do whatever they want and change laws so you will be at an even bigger disadvantage next time, Dems. They will make you look like cowards for losing. And people will actually respect that, if respect is the proper term.
We need more Dems like smiling Alan Grayson seen at the top of the page.
He could give the R’s a taste of ‘what for’ with his giant chin tied behind his back.
Hopefully the TeaScrotes will realize that it was their last vote that gave them the pieces of shit they have now. Can a Scrote learn from their mistakes? I guess we’ll have to wait and see. There aren’t any African Americans running so that’s half the battle there. Now they just have to use common sense.
The Democrats did the right and proper thing here and should not be taking flak for it. The high ground is always the place to be.
Jan Hammer
Grand Junction, CO
Yeah, if you wanna be a perpetual loser.
I assume that the placeholders are being run against the ‘top’ Dem pick just to ensure that there will be a primary in every race. They aren’t meant to win the nomination.
There are a huge number of “legal” things that are immoral. The Democrats shouldn’t be kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. But once somebody attacks you, you can either fight back with everything at hand, or get mugged.
Smart move, save the money for your own people and take the progressive ideas to the people. Repugs will have plenty
kockkoch money to spend no reason to help them.Good cop, bad cop.
These are our only choices? Slide into the gutter with the GOP, or lose? Really?
The Democrats have done a lousy job of fighting for progressive policy, and an even more abysmal job of communicating and framing their issues. But Wisconsin is in revolt largely due to brazen GOP machinations, and to join them in the slime pit would be to squander whatever serendipitous goodwill Democrats now enjoy.
It seems to me the answer is not to abandon your principles, but to start unflinchingly advocating them and when possible, enacting them. There have been so many polls over the past few months that demonstrate that Democratic positions on the wars, the economy and governance are preferred, why the hell is the Democratic leadership not forcefully advocating them?
If you think you can outdo the GOP at corrupt politics, think again, but in the unlikely event you succeeded, what difference would it make who we vote for?
Disagree.
Quite a bit. Do you think that the big city machines of the 30s were clean and honest and they accomplished a hell of a lot.
I don’t think you understand. WI has open primaries. If the Democrats don’t respond by placing candidates in Republican primaries, the Republicans not only save the cost of running primaries. They have the potential to win the Democratic primaries. Primary turnout is typically low. Even some committed WI voters must be feeling burned out. The Koch brothers have deep pockets. They could arrange a massive get out the vote effort in the Democratic primaries.
Engaging in a tactic you didn’t start to even the playing field is not sliding into the gutter. Improving the prospects for fair elections is pulling the elections out of the gutter.
I agree with everything you said except I don’t think what the R’s did here rises to the level of immoral
Running a spoiler doesn’t cost much $ at all does it?
yeah. true. All this is, to me, disappointing. But expected.
If y’all haven’t read this article about the Koch Brothers already may I suggest that you do so. I found it to be very helpful with regard to Koch’s part in all of this and how citzens / Democratic strategists could approach the challenges Koch’s influence poses:
THE CURSE ON THE KOCH BROTHERS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FAMILY FEUDS IN BUSINESS HISTORY MAY SOON COME TO A CLIMAX. YOU THOUGHT $1 BILLION COULD BUY HAPPINESS? NOT FOR THESE GUYS.
By BRIAN O’REILLY REPORTER ASSOCIATE PATTY DE LLOSA
February 17, 1997
(FORTUNE Magazine) – “Be kind and generous to one another,” wrote Fred C. Koch to his young sons half a century ago. Never did such good advice fall on such deaf ears. “Old Fred’s” legacy of squabbling sons is every supersuccessful parent’s worst nightmare. He revolutionized an industry, built a large company, made a fortune, tried to cram values into his four sons, then crossed his fingers and hoped they could handle their inheritance when he died. He warned the boys that their wealth could be “a blessing or a curse.” He was right–about the curse. (READ ON)
I think fair elections are the basic element of a Democracy. I wouldn’t put this tactic up there with stuffing ballot boxes. But it’s as bad as designing ballots in a way that gives one candidate a substantial advantage, a tactic which was once common. It’s an act that reduces the possibility that an acurate measure of voter feelings will occur. It still looks immoral to me.
I doubt it does but I would spend the money on person running and the volunteers to get the message out. Too many names on the ballot is not a good idea to many thing can go wrong and this election is too important to this state and the nation.
i thought about this. being hard-ases is what i wish them dems would do more. but it’s probably too late for that now, right? it won’t change anything. the Rs won’t withdraw their spoilers so it really won’t undo the fucking they laid on the dems. Gotta just put thjeir tails between their legs and occupy the “high ground” if being a tough guy won’t help. at least they can say they have the high ground. am i wrong? i’d love to see them dems push back. i’d love to see the dems push FIRST. but it wouldn’t help ehere, would it?
The more they spend on the spoiler, the more the Democrats have to spend defending the Democrat. Additionally, there is a good deal of evidence that when one candidate attacks another in a primary, they both lose support. And it’s hard enough to get your voters out once. Twice in a short period of time puts Democrats at a significant disadvantage.
Re comment #22, it’s disappointing and expected to me too. The observation doesn’t contribute much to the question of what the Democratic response should be.
It makes basic sense to me that if the GOP is going to run a “spoiler” candidate, the Dems need to even the field by doing the same, otherwise they’ll be at a financial and voting disadvantage.
With two spoilers in play, the GOP will need to keep their voters in their *own* party, so their *own* candidate doesn’t lose to the spoiler — thus the spoilers cancel each other out, as though *no* spoilers had been run. Result: something resembling a clean election, the original desired result.
I’ve been thinking about the same thing. Does anyone know whether it costs the state money to run primary elections in WI? If it does, the Democrats should attack in every district about the cost of the Republican “dirty trick” to taxpayers.
Need to get to my chores. Good talking with you all.
At first, I thought running our own spoilers was a good idea. Fight fire with fire. The temptation to throw the Rights dirty tricks right back at them is understandable. But at what cost? I’m probably going to sound like some pie-eye idealist to some but I believe it would be a mistake to take that low road. We have to stand for something or we stand for nothing. If we can’t take their bullshit and shove it down their throats then we deserve to lose. If our candidates are unable to make their constituents understand and be outraged by these kinds of tactics then we need to be rid of these candidates. If we cannot field better candidates or at least force the ones we’ve got to be better candidates then it’s “game over”.
As a movement we want our candidates and elected officials to do what we want but we are unwilling to exert the kind of real pressure neccessary to make them do it.
This isn’t the Republicans fault. It’s our own!
The democrats response should be what it was. I initially was pissed that the dems were being “pussies”. Again. But i thought about that. Isn’t the ultimate goala of the Rs running spoilers to get the general recall (if it’s called that).. the 1-on-1 recall… put off until later? Then for the dems to run spoilers of their own won’t prevent that. In my view, it has nothing to do with the moral high ground. What the Rs did wasn’t immoral or anything close to it or have anything gto do with morality. The Dems shouldn’t do the same thing for only one reason— it won’t help them. If it would help them to do what the Rs did then they should do it and do it better.
Why were the recalls of three Democrats allowed to proceed when there was acknowledgement that the Republicans used fraud to get the signatures? (I apologize for not staying on top of every development in this story.)
Did my prediction come true that the recalls should have been thrown out in fairness, but crybaby Republicans threw temper tantrums and screamed “partisanship” at the top of their lungs till they were allowed to have their way in spite of their dirty tricks?
Bingo. The Democrats are so nice. So gentlemanly. They never get their clothes dirty or their hair mussed, unlike those ruffian Republicans, who always kick their asses.
i think what bothers me more is that the dems either don’t come up with ideas like this or, if they do, are too nice to use them. not that they won’t retaliate in kind, now, in WI. too late for that, isn’t it?
It sounds difficult to me to make the case that a primary election is a waste of money while a recall election is a wise expenditure. That is a quite confusing message and is way off point.
Someone at DU summed it up nicely: The high ground is a great place to view the victory party of your opponent. Fuckin-A.
I’m beginning to think that the Rebaggers have had control of the “Democrat” Party for some time. It’s a crying shame that WI Dems are as wimpy as the Congressional Dems, squandering the magnificent grassroots momentum generated at great personal sacrifice since January. Likely the Dem “leadership” has deliberately been seeded with wimps by a Rebagger plot. Today’s Dem Party would give real Democrats like Harry Truman and the New Dealers strokes. They are just way too abnormally wimpish.
(I don’t like using the word “pussies” to equate to wimps because I have known way too many tough women throughout my life.)
O/T
U.S. finally penalizes major banks for mortgage modification failures LINK.
The squirrels that loot my backyard feeders have better error-learning ability than Democrats. Especially those inside the Beltway.
Taking the “high road” deprived Al Gore of any chance of winning the Florida recount. You’d think the Democrats would have learned from that, but they didn’t, they don’t, and probably can’t.
Was it impossible, due to when the recall petitions were begun, to have all the primaries on the same day? All the elections of the same day?
Different dates for R and D primaries, then different dates for R and D election seems crazy.
This was impossible for the boards of election to coordinate?
It’s painfully obvious that the “high ground” hasn’t been working out for the Dims since LBJ. Dims come across as a bunch of wimps, or faggoty, or both simultaneously.
There’s something to be said for maintaining your self-respect; if the candidates feel that strongly about this issue, they’re doing the right thing.
Right, and one thing I should have mentioned is that, with multiple no-names on the primary ballot, it will make it far easier for the official Democratic candidate to avoid an (admittedly remote) upset, because it’ll split the vote.
that worked GREAT for Carter, Mondale, Dud-crap-kis, Gore, Kerry …
yawn.
rmm.
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I usually sympathize with progressive causes, but sometimes flinch at how they are to be fostered. Perhaps I worry too much that it’s often about feel-good satisfaction for the short term at the expense of success for the longer term. It’s just that a “what do we do now?!” surprise is to be avoided whenever possible.
For quite awhile we’ve been telling ourselves the recalls, etc., would be a slam dunk, and the consequences were clear. Then we find ourselves surprised and outraged by the unfriendlies’ methods and tactics in this campaign.
Within any like-minded habitat there should always be a conscientious devil’s advocate to suggest what might not go as planned, and to ponder alternatives well in advance of when they might be needed.
I can’t claim what, if anything, has been done wrong yet. I wonder about the shelf life and intensity of the public support that was building during the demonstrations. One striking aspect is the discipline within the ranks on both sides, which remains today. But those are the players on the front lines.
The rest of the public may substantially say they support the unions’ cause, while they begin to enjoy a heady Wisconsin summer. It’s not a season of hard knocks now. It’s time to go pike fishing, and the biggest concern is coming home minus a thumb. Pay urgent attention to these folks, since they’ll cast the most votes a few weeks hence.
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