The internal debate within the Administration over when and how to draw down in Afghanistan, and with how many troops, has begun. As I understand it, General David Petraeus will offer a range of options, and the national security team will assess them, with Obama having the final decision. As the LA Times notes, both Bob Gates and Petraeus, the ones most associated with a smaller drawdown, are leaving their posts, while those pressing for a scaled-back presence like Joe Biden remain in power. So it’ll be interesting to see what comes of this, though you can’t go wrong betting on a middle course, nothing dramatic.
But the more consequential secret deliberations over the future of Afghanistan are taking place in Kabul. As I noted last week, the US really wants permanent bases in Afghanistan, from which they can launch attacks and covert operations against terrorist groups, like they did against Osama bin Laden. These talks are happening right now, and it’s even less clear where they’re heading:
American and Afghan officials are locked in increasingly acrimonious secret talks about a long-term security agreement which is likely to see US troops, spies and air power based in the troubled country for decades.
Though not publicized, negotiations have been under way for more than a month to secure a strategic partnership agreement which would include an American presence beyond the end of 2014 – the agreed date for all 130,000 combat troops to leave — despite continuing public debate in Washington and among other members of the 49-nation coalition fighting in Afghanistan about the speed of the withdrawal.
American officials admit that although Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, recently said Washington did not want any “permanent” bases in Afghanistan, her phrasing allows a variety of possible arrangements.
“There are US troops in various countries for some considerable lengths of time which are not there permanently,” a US official told the Guardian.
It’s pretty clear what the US wants: a staging ground for future operations. The bases discussed here would harbor “large contingents of American special forces, intelligence operatives, surveillance equipment and military hardware,” according to The Guardian. They are seen as “strategic assets” in an inhospitable part of the world.
Military operations are increasingly going underground, with the military and intelligence apparatus merging (see Petraeus’ move to CIA, and CIA Director Leon Panetta’s shift to run the Pentagon). Panetta made no bones about desiring more secret wars and covert operations in his confirmation hearings to run DoD. That requires regional bases where these covert ops can launch from, and Afghanistan is perfectly situated.
With these covert ops, you don’t have to rely on coalition partners like NATO, who Gates harshly criticized as practically irrelevant last week. You don’t have to go through that messy business of capturing detainees and prisoners of war, only to find that most of them are civilians – a drone strike or an assassination directive handles that unfortunate business nicely. And you don’t have to engage in that awful nation-building, where you turn countries into unsustainable police states.
It’s just perfect, except for the inconvenient reality that it’s completely illegal under US and international law.
Afghans rejected the first stab at a strategic partnership agreement, and regional powers like Russia, Pakistan, China and India have made their concerns over a permanent US presence very clear. In particular, Afghans do not want US bases to be used to launch an attack outside the country, which seems to be the entire US goal. So this has a ways to go; Iraq successfully fought against permanent bases in its country and got a status of forces agreement for military withdrawal.
I do think, however, we can say with some degree of certainty what the US wants.
UPDATE: On a related note, here’s Jeff Merkley on why we have to bring the troops home now.





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This has been obvious since 2001. Afghanistan is not stable without a large U.S. military presence and won’t be for decades. Our government knows that, which is why they’re building a permanent facility at Bagram. I just wish they’d been more upfront with the American people to begin with, because few people would have supported a ground operation.
“Iraq successfully fought against permanent bases in its country and got a status of forces agreement for military withdrawal”
Status of forces agreement, seems like a euphemism for the same thing. “”When asked by Charlie Rose in a PBS interview how big the American “residual” force would be in Iraq after 2011, Secretary of Defense Gates replied that although the mission would change, “my guess is that you’re looking at perhaps several tens of thousands of American troops.” Not to mention that contractors like Blackwater will still have immunity.
Regards being “upfront”; Ninety Percent of Petraeus’s Captured “Taliban” Were Civilians
And now this liar -Petraeus- is going to head the CIA.
what a disastrous idea. Now that we’ve thrown away our credibility, let’s dig a deeper hole and retrench ourselves in more miasma! hurrah!
“peace and prosperity be damned, war without end will let god sort ‘em out” I guess will be the new national anthem.
say goodnite gracie
No shit. Nothing permanent, just a temporary, 100-year agreement.
war is a racket and this is no different. those in power use situations to further this end. what should have happened after 9/11 is for the american people to see through the BS and demanded first a real inquiry as to who was behind it, and then a strategical attack. wishful thinking on my part as the masses are so easily led. pearl harbor was just another excuse to justify a war that the govt already wanted in on
IMO, Petraeus and Gates have been identical to Bernanke and Geithner–EPIC FAILURE!
I guess they want more of that 6 billion in tax payer dollars sent over on pallets to disappear!
More is afoot in Afghanistan than US hegemony: http://consortiumnews.com/2011/06/07/asian-alliance-supplants-us-empire/
We’re late to the party, as usual, and perhaps myopically unaware of other intentions. I think tunnel vision and short sightedness goes with hubris.
Sheeit! I said, SHEEE–IT! You have that one right. It really makes one wonder what the hell is going on there in the WH that all the failures are rewarded so. It reminds me of a certain horse man that was in charge of largest hurricane disaster of the decade. He got a “Good Job!, atta boy” too.
The crazy can’t get any larger in DC.
From your link:
The finance pages have noted that the Chinese are buying up property across the world. It is definitely a turning point, but what faux nooze watchers don’t know will hurt them. It certainly proves there is quite a bit more going on and I am sure that China will find an alternative to Maritime trade. They may be working on the world’s largest cargo planes. Who Knows?
Not a failure… Betrayus’ job was to make enemies so we could get our permanent war on, hence the 90% civilian/not-Taliban capture rate. “Winning hearts and minds” is only PR for the rubes, not the strategy pursued over there.
What a surprise!!!
well the TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) pipeline won’t be built for another 5+ years or so and then a 20 year operational life, assuming they can ever get it built and commissioned….looks like we’re going to be there for a while…
I know that. I’m making this come to life in my own way. I knew one year in that it was all a farce. How could the largest military in the world not capture/kill a rag-tag group like Al Quaida and Bin Laden? All their excuses, different op names, and money gone missing was a sure sign that we were all sold lies on the real reason for war.
Yes, unless Progressives can find a way to take back the country. Not only the pipeline but the minerals that are being taken while our troops protect the takers.
Ahem..cough
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Qm2i8mXTjhs/SnlelAPyAAI/AAAAAAAABnc/RkyJS8eMlVQ/s1600-h/CASPIAN-MIDDLE%2520EAST_OIL%2520%26%2520MILITARY%2520PRESENCE.jpg
Part of the story is in proximity: the Asian alliance countries are much closer to the “theater” than the US. I recently read a really interesting military analysis that pointed out the humongous expense of supply. Most of the cost of empire is in supply and the farther from home, the costlier.
lot said in that article.
such as
and
that would shock a lot of Americans.
great article.
OT: TX Lawsuit filed to challenge Perry’s great sonogram law….Yayyy…good sense may prevail…..
very good graphic – thanks
I know you know that, we all know that. It’s just that every time there’s a “rewarding failure upward” charge made around here, in any aspect of our epic government fail, there’s always the obligatory “not a failure, but part of the plan” countercharge that seems to be made in reply, and guess it was my turn this time.
Yep. You are sooooo good! Sibel Edmonds had some of the facts on this connection with Turkey and a few congress critters. It really just goes to show how badly and for how long the tax payers have been left out of the loop on these “nation building” programs. (smirk)
Smile, Friend. At least you are not blindsided by propaganda and the tools they use. Rush and Beck are serious tools!
excellent reminder to smile. i forget that alot. this place is great! :)
a true islnd in the storm. i’d join if i wasn’t such a furriner.
three cheers for the house that Jane built!
Bring ‘em home. Fuck.
If You’re Reading This.
It’s amazing how many things that are designed to influence “thinking Progressives” at the polls are happening now that Barry’s looking at re-election.
That and the absolute paucity of viable, sane candidates within the GOP. It’s almost like a plan, isn’t it?
Gotta keep that record breaking heroin crop rolling in from Afghanistan.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LD01Df02.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/02/us-afghanistan-drugs-factbox-sb-idUSTRE58144M20090902
You gotta be both corrupt to the core and trying to fail to fail that badly.
I bet there’s a representative of the Bush Crime Family over there making sure everything goes smoothly.
Afghanistan is not stable without a large U.S. military presence and won’t be for decades.
It’s not stable with a large U.S. military presence. It’s a pipe dream to think that the military is a stabilizing force.