For the past week, the eyes of the gay rights community have been on Albany, where lawmakers in New York State have been close to finalizing a marriage equality bill. This would make New York the 6th, and easily the largest, state to allow same-sex couples to marry. The state Assembly has already passed the bill; the state Senate needs 32 votes to do so. And 31 Senators have publicly announced their support. Today, one more Senator, a Republican, has privately assured that he would vote for the bill.
A name has not yet been released, but sources close to those with the New York State Republican Conference have confirmed a thirty-second vote has been “secured” for the passage of Governor Andrew M. Cuomo’s Marriage Equality Act.
The New York Senate, nearing the end of the session, has a host of bills to pass, so marriage equality may not come up until late tonight or even tomorrow. But if Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos, a Republican and an opponent of marriage equality, gets it to the floor, it apparently has the votes to pass.
In order to get Skelos to bring forward the bill, Governor Andrew Cuomo must allow amendments in the form of “religious protections.” Here’s a closer look at that.
Existing state law prohibits discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation (as well as race and gender) but exempts private organizations and religious organizations. The bill reiterates that churches and private, fraternal organizations like the Knights of Columbus are “distinctly private” and not forced to give facilities related to a same-sex ceremony.
The bill further states that any religious groups, as well as any organization it operates for “charitable or educational purposes” cannot be faulted for any act “calculated by such organization to promote the religious principles for which it is established or maintained.”
Edward Mechmann, an attorney who works for the Catholic Conference, met with Cuomo’s top aides to point out what it sees as problems. The bill’s language only references parts of the human rights law, but doesn’t tie in to the public accommodations law, which mandates any restaurant, hotel or catering hall that isn’t completely private must serve everybody. “Unless you’re given a specific exemption from that, you’re required to comply,” he said.
It looks to me as if religious institutions are looking to carve out a special privilege for themselves here. But the Democratic leadership looks like they may be amenable if it means they can get the marriage equality vote.
If marriage equality hits New York, it opens up the promise of marriage for tens of thousands more gay Americans. Stay tuned…




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FDL, I’m confused. Is there some reason that a moderator can’t take down the spam? If someone were using the N word, I’ll bet you’d take that down immediately. What’s up?
It’s really getting irritating, isn’t it. It makes the site unpleasant.
And, David, maybe I’m confused, but if a religious institution does not agree with gay marriage and wouldn’t perform such a ceremony in their chapel, is there some reason why they should have to rent out their recreation/banquet hall for a celebration of such? I’ll bet they can choose to not allow teen parties (other than those bizarre promise dad/daughter date nights) if they so choose. Whatever.
I don’t think we have mods any more.
This morning, the subject was brought up. About this spam and SD said that they had hacked the site and don’t need a password to spam on.
Plus, this site is no where near what it used to be. We used to have dialogues. Now, it’s just a bunch of one liners I Hate Everything stuff.
We’re starting to lose some of the old time regulars because it is getting tedious.
Can an editor or moderator shut down this spam shit? It never used to get thru . . .
GREAT read Mr. Dayen, thank you.
That would be really disappointing Demi.
Despite MY trials and tribulations with mods at times thru the years they perform absolute and essential duties.
I joined this club (despite the fact they would have me thank you Groucho) partly because it IS well modded . . .
I’m available FDL, and I could work cheap . . . lemme show ya my resume n references . . . .
Not only does it get through, it stays.
New Day.
And, some of the regs can call out and diss some of the other regs.
New Day.
When this site gets back to Women’s Rights, I’ll be back.
I may make a snide remark here and there. Of course.
I’m not going to bad mouth the site, but I do see some changes going on….still love the late nights, tho. But what I don’t get is how the spam stays up. Shoot, if you know it’s going to be on every thread, just assign an intern to take it down. I’m sure someone would volunteer to be a spam-eradicator.
The reason is that most churches will take a rental to make money.
Unless it’s some kinda satanic thing maybe . . . I dunna.
I avoid those places and only know they salivate for a rental fee.
;-)
Yep. See Larue’s comment. There are plenty of out of work pups.
I don’t know what to think. Thank Gawd I’ve found my volunteer gig so I can stay busy. Woo Hoo.
And, here we are an hour later, and the first ‘comment’ is spam still up. Very disappointing. Hate to see this when membership fees have been instituted. Oh, well……..
I didn’t mean to bad mouth, but there’s an ugly aftertaste. I’ve been dissed here and I’m not liking it.
Well, I know they like to rent out when they can, but I guess I’m not sure that if one of the tenets of their religion is man&wife (I just performed my first wedding…..and I can guarandamntee that I did NOT use the phrase “man and wife”)…. then I guess I just don’t see telling them to whom to rent. I’m still thinking about this, though.
I hear you, but I also know that people leap to your defense! Your voice is appreciated….and many of us are enjoying reading about your work. Good stuff.
Ma’am if this means yer gonna be less around here I’m greatly saddened.
Your voice is one of the many I come here to hear, read, and smile and laugh and gripe and get pissed off with . . not to end a sentence with a prep or anything like that.
I understand women’s rights POV you have, there are many POV’s that just are not coming forefront, but perhaps, you could stick around and we could all unite on lack of jobs, lack of job development like they did before in our nations history.
N then, we could beat the crap outta the system for everything else once we start paying taxes again, spending money, and have power.
Without jobs, income, we the people have NO power regardless of the issue.
With jobs and income, we are all a force for all the issues.
N the 1% Elitist CORPORATE Fascists will fear us once again.
Thanks for all you have to say at times Mz. Demi . . . THIS Larue has always appreciated yer musings.
You KNOW you have friends to take care of such matters.
Just name names, n Guido will take care of THAT crahp.
;-)
I would think that if a church takes any public funds, including tax exemptions, it should be required to comply with the rules of the state.
You’re a doll. Still enjoy listening to those Cohen d’s.
If any of my words make people feel better, I’m glad.
(((Dearie, Larue, all y’all))
Most rigid churches are still whores.
No one has to tell them to rent, they will just rent, with cash up front and on the side of course . . .
Lots of ‘bidness’ is taken care of out of sight of public stances and moral judgements.
;-)
Not namin’ names.
I can kick butt myself, but, thanks. A lot.
First of all, this is good news and I’m not gonna let the scumbag up top change that. Second, as a sports fan, anoter shout out to Sean Avery of the New York Rangers and Michael Strahan formerly of the New York Football Giants for doing very high profile pub serv announcements in favor. And a great big “fuck you asshole” to David Tyree, formerly of the New York Football Giants for his very public, ignorant opposition. And third, hope you stick around, Demi
It’s freakin’ hot here. Gonna go lay down in my a/c’d bedroom with a book.
Later….maybe. :)
Beer!!!!
Oh yeah, I don’t see what the churches, or at least that Catholic organization wants is a big deal nor do I even have a problem with it necessarily. Could well be just tying up loose ends.
Double books, under the table, all that stuff still exists if ya know who to pay off to look the other way.
As it always has.
No need to worry about state or fed laws.
I sent you the Cohen shows from Australia, live?
*G*
Forgot!
*G*
Fine fine music ain’t it ma’am . . . *G*
LMBO!
‘K.
Not even offline?
/snicker
lol
BF Lib, yer another reason I gave money to this site.
*G*
Good to c yer fonts!
N right on, yes, for all the sports getting into supporting “It Gets Better”.
An amazing thing to see, given their histories of avoiding this issue.
The crux of the controversy over gay marriage is that marriage is both a state and a religious function, and under the doctrine of separation of church and state, they should be separate. Religious organizations should be free to define marriage as they see fit, and conduct marriages accordingly as long as they do not fall foul of laws pertaining to age at marriage and other sensible provisions. The state would then accept such marriages for legal purposes and not impose selected, discriminatory religious precepts.
For example, the Catholic Church does not accept marriage between its own and those of other denominations or religions, nor does it accept remarriage of divorced persons. That is its prerogative, but Catholics have no right to insist that the state subject everyone else to its strictures.
Schoolyard stuff Cass.
You do not address the LOSS to the LGBT community of equality beyond religion.
Nor do you address the common fact that all this shit goes on under the table and folks will be wed out of denomination or out of gender differences as long as enough money passes hands into the coffers of the church, that can’t be traced.
Churches are whores, and learnt their craft from the pro’s thousands of years ago.
Sadly, whores have a better reputation for customer satisfaction.
But that’s what happens when orgs get big and own people’s lives from birth to death. Especially religious based ones, regardless of origin.
History shows it.
*G*
On the live blog downstairs when I opened it I saw the first comment, which was about the spam guy being back and subsequent comments just like here, but there was no spam on that blog at that time. So apparently it had been removed from that blog. I was going to ask what the fuss was about, thinking it was a browser issue or something like that, but I see the spam on this blog @1.
YesBut. My RC (former) wife had been divorced and then remarried (me, not a RC). Her children from her RC first marriage had their First Communion and also attended the RC school. The divorced and remarried woman continued to attend religiously and even piously, including the Host, but never Confessed again.
Anything funded or subsidized by tax dollars should not be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. If they feel the need to discriminate, they should do it on their own dime.
I would have to check the actual language, but I smell a loophole.
Mmmm…I think churches are exempt anyway, under the First Amendment. Private non-profits, though, that smells funny.
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