At 8pm ET, the President will speak from the White House on the future of Afghanistan policy and the war.
We know the top line news coming out of this speech – the President will remove 10,000 troops from Afghanistan by the end of the year, and another 23,000 by next September, meaning that all of the surge troops from December 2009′s escalation will be out by September 2012. This still means that twice as many troops will be in Afghanistan, around 68,000, by that time, compared to the 32,800 in the country at the time of Obama’s inauguration.
What we don’t know fully is about the strategy, and what, if any of it, will change. We don’t know how much the President will emphasize reconciliation talks between the Karzai government and Pakistan. We don’t know if the counter-insurgency mission will predominate, or if it will be overshadowed by a more limited counter-terrorism mission. We don’t know about the future of the Afghan security forces, and whether they can even be sustained without massive US support.
Most important, we don’t really have a compelling rationale for the war, especially after the death of Osama bin Laden and the admission that there are no transnational terrorists in Afghanistan. I maintain that the goal here is permanent bases, from which to launch counter-terrorism attacks of a covert nature across the region. We’ll see if the President addresses the long-term agreement his Administration is negotiating with the Afghan government.
In addition, the Congressional reaction will be in a way more interesting than the speech. Congress has grown more restless on the war, with almost the entire Democratic Party and an increasing number of Republicans turning against it. 10,000 troops this year was not necessarily seen as a “sizable and sustained drawdown,” so the reaction of those most committed to ending the war will be crucial.




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Please remove the sales comments in this thread and in the one before. Thanks.
Mods….the spam atop is really a nasty way to start this post. The spammer has been flagged time and again. Can’t this be banned permanently?
No one’s said a thing about the mercs in Afghanistan. How many are there?
The problem is that there are not flags here – only in diaries.
Click user name go to the bottom of their comments and flag um there.
You can click on the name and flag there. Doesn’t seem to help.
And how many troops are STILL in IRAQ? And many permanent bases are currently under construction in IRAQ?
Pick Libya or Iraq. We can’t fight three wars.
What about Blackwater Obama?
Man, he loves to take credit for things. Ugggghhhhh!!!!!
Been there done that..
Come on Developers fix the filters so we don’t have to endure these Perps!! I know it not that hard to do….
We will not relent till we shred the Constitution.
BUT! Don’t click the name….I think it is messing with my computer. Damn. I wish we had real mods still…who would see this crap and get rid of it before we are all troubled by it.
Are the mods bots now?
The SOFA in Iraq explicitly gives contractors(mercs) and certain DoD persons(covert operators) immunity. I would expect the same in Afghanistan.
shhhh! no one’s supposed to know they’re there or how much the taxpayers pay for it! shhh!
So then there will always be a presence then. Am I right? This is just bread and circuses for the masses.
How about laying off the guilt trip from the actions the government undertook.
Rule of law. Give me a break.
Pretty much, its psy-ops to get the American public to believe that we are not at war and drones really aren’t killing unknown masses.
not a single soldier on the ground in Libya!!
Like the world record opium crop?
Dang, I’ve already ran out of fingers and toes on the half-truths and lies uttered by Obummer…! 8-(
god, this sucks
Lots of American exceptionalism bullshit
Just cut and paste from last link.
Yep Empires die here but then again Amerika is doing a pretty good job even with out all the wars. I would like everyone home Now from everywhere but then again that wouldn’t be good for ws or dod vendors. Hell tha’t how many would’ve have rotated out any way. I’m sure State deparment will replace them with vendors
That’s it?
blah, blah, blah……is there a cliche that he missed?
not a damn bit of news, thx fer nothin Obama
‘the tide of war is receding’ ?
aggghh!!!
The bankers need the money for more ponzi schemes. That’s probably the reason the Repugs want out.
He might as well have mentioned our manifest destiny. What a bunch of BS!
Jeez, Larry and Rachel are going to have to reach to fill Larry’s hour.
Double the # of troops from when Obama took charge. What else can they say.
Rachel wants to know more. Hah!
Afghanistan, where the OilBomber Administration goes to die. Most corrupt nation on Earth is helped by the most corrupt President (since the previous corrupt Chimpie). Lies and Propaganda and Delusion and our Diminishing Wealth, from Captain Drone, WE ARE WINNING and we will continue to win no matter how many more years.
*heh* My Better half just looked up and asked the same thing…! ;-)
This is the end folks. Empire is overextended and we are broke. They don’t want to tax the rich, so they have to make up some of the money. That means fucking us (Medicare, SS) and getting rid of some soldiers.
“Shining city on the hill”
MY PsOTUS used to announce this stuff at a press conference.
(Every time Obama makes a TV address, the United States of America always sneezes, and this time so did the troops.)
Sen Levin is on NPR post-commentary
but he’s not much help: POTUS went against his DoD so this is a moderate action. Levin would have done a 15,0000 troop drawdown
wants a domestic stimulus which would be nice
There didn’t appear to be any mass or body inside the Emperors suit. He’s lost weight, or it was a digital puppet laughing at us.
Sure sounded and looked like a used car salesman selling great clunkers .
I do not think giving this ‘speech’ was a good idea for Obama….it hurts him….not that I particularly care. But who encouraged him to do this stupid thing? He could have, probably should have, simply issued a press release.
Nation building at home. God, that’s rich. Yeah, Oilbummer, where’s the fucking jobs program? What a putz.
Did he say how many torturers (war criminals) he prosecuted? Did he find the 18 billions (US dollars) that was stolen in Iraq? Does he realize he is using the same excuses Bush used for the war with Iraq, on his humanitarian bombing runs in Libya?
For no basis other than using the logic of cynicism, I figure the (US) opium trade will be phased out of Afghanistan and moved to someplace in SA, probably Brazil.
He wanted to be sure to mention 9/11. Can’t have a speech without that.
My jaw hit the table when he’d uttered that BS…! I suppose he’s using the same legal jujitsu as his ‘war’ definition…! *gah*
The first 8 minutes from Obama were bullshit so I turned him off.
“Chasing the dragon”?
Well, I think some of this crawl of a withdrawal may have something to do with bringing all the troops home to an economy that has no jobs for them. Thousands of battle-harden troops might be prone to a bit of frustration if idled without work for months or years on end.
Perhaps Obummer won’t really make an end to all these wars until the economy & jobs are plentiful….
Why did Democrats drive LBJ from office, but grovel at Obama’s feet a la Carl Levin?
The answer is that the Democrats are a pathology, not a party.
well we are funding a war in Colombia and undoubtedly there’s a lot of $$ to be made there…
Well, Larry & Rachel finished up and now Larry’s got to fill in the rest of his hour. Breaking News: “we now know what Newt Gingrich bought at Tiffany’s and why his staff quit….come on back after the break.” Nah, I think I’ll go read a good book.
How many wars are we in? I lost count. He thinks by taking some soldiers out of an OLD war, people will forget the new ones he’s just started. Slippery. He’s more slick than Slick Willie.
This neo-lib stuff just cannot be reconciled with economic and social justice at home. Even LBJ figured that out.
The party has never reconciled these very conflicting goals. No wonder it is so easy for the Republicans to win. But why is it so difficult to find candidates to speak for economic and social justice? I just do not know where they are. Everyone can’t be a neo-con true believer. Everyone can’t be bought. If we built a movement for economic and social justice would they come?
So what’s the new euphemism for “permanent bases”?
now THAT brand of cynicism has the ring of truth to it and certainly has quite a bit of historical precedence as well.
The irony there was that LBJ tried to end the war and our involvement in it via the Paris Peace Talks, but Nixon sent Anna Chan Chennault to successfully sabotage them.
Can’t be Brazil. Nothing grows on land that been cleared of jungle.
‘denying safe haven’ seems to work with the polls?
Well,Kuwait is the euphemism for Iraq. That’s where they redeploy the MN National Guard units who went to Iraq last time. Is there a war in Kuwait? So, they just play a shell game, a con game and we’re the marks.
Posted this diary two years. It seems a good time to link to it.
Kids say the darndest things…
“Liberty Parks”?
The whole fucking thing is gonna have to collapse before they dismantle the military industrial complex. But like a cornered animal we won’t go down without fighting. The US is big, furry scary monster.
Status of Forces Agreement(SOFA). It is the new way of telling a country that you are now officially an American colony.
that’s really great klynn. I really appreciate that. I want to send it to my friends who have kids. Can I?
Yeah, seems like I’ve done that at least a dozen times now.
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Comedy, satire, tragedy or delusion? A line from the President’s speech tonight:
“We are a nation that brings our enemies to justice while adhering to the rule of law, and respecting the rights of all our citizens. We protect our own freedom and prosperity by extending it to others. We stand not for empire, but for self-determination.”
He mostly approved of the deceitful and criminal invasion of Iraq instead of condemning it.
What a useless turd! No use voting anymore, they’re all tools.
Sure. It was a diary here, so it is public.
No, the spam is still here.
Spam dude wants us to buy China crap.
Nope, up already at the next post.
Humanitarian Centers
Thousands of battle-harden troops might be prone to a bit of frustration if idled without work for months or years on end.
Huh…? Dood, they’ll still be employed as Soldiers…! Do you really think they like being deployed, redeployed, and, yet again deployed to the battlefields…? I mean, Really…? 8-(
Obama doesn’t live in reality. He makes speeches. That’s about it.
10k now, and a bunch more right before the election. His spineyness is a thing to behold.
Of course, he could start by bringing the troops home from Europe. And Korea. And Japan. After all, we’re done with the wars there, right?
Do you have anyone in mind who’ll deliver the keynote at next year’s convention? Senator Gillibrand?
I’m now in the ICU at the Burn Unit.
That was the line that caused me to self-immolate.
Damn!
Hate it when I do that.
Actually, we’ve already pulled back a lot of our troops in Europe and Korea…! When I served in Germany just before the ‘Fall of the Wall’, we had 150,000+, we’re down to about 50,000 now…! Same with Korea, there was 32,000 when I was there, and now it’s about 20,000 with more scheduled to leave…!
according to WA Harriman, LBJ “lost his nerve” over the Paris talks:
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-03/opinion/op-872_1_w-averell-harriman
Obama, on the other hand, has not lost his nerve: it’s this country that has irrevocably lost it.
Well, that was quick. Only three generations and we’ve drawn down somewhat. Maybe in a century or two we’ll let those poor savages manage their own affairs.
Who is staging Obama’s photo ops? Bobby Jindal?
Now THAT’S funny!
I sincerely hope that you have something more than employer (un)paid medical insurance or Medicare or Medicaid to cover your hospital costs or else you heal real fast!!!!!
We’ve seen this whole show before, its called Aghanistanation. Once were gone the Taliban will take over and Karzai and his corrupt family will flee to Paris with their booty all of it a gift from the American taxpayers.
Paris…? Try Dubai, where half of the loot is already located…!
OilBomber forgot to mention his successful COINTELPRO surge against the antiwar hippies, and others, which neutralized their previously successful protests.
Targeted individuals keep increasing and include Juan Cole and James Risen. More troops will be needed for the COINTELPRO surge because the majority of the American people oppose the endless criminal wars and military occupations.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/17/cia-denies-spying-on-u-s-critic-of-iraq-war/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/22/u-s-allegedly-spying-on-new-york-times-reporter-james-risen/
Neocon
Barry Obama – spineless, amoral, corporatist. Willing slave of Empire.
Wish his mom and dad made the withdrawal speech.
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