Let me make some brief thoughts on the President’s address. First of all, it was a somewhat poorly written, bumper-sticker-laden speech. Obama clearly wanted to claim a position of success in Afghanistan, and use the withdrawal as an example of that success. But there were a couple things that can serve as markers for the antiwar community. First, this passage:
After this initial reduction, our troops will continue coming home at a steady pace as Afghan Security forces move into the lead. Our mission will change from combat to support. By 2014, this process of transition will be complete, and the Afghan people will be responsible for their own security.
In other words, the withdrawal continues and all combat troops are out by 2014. That appears to be a promise, and should be treated that way. This pace is not likely to be good enough for everyone, or perhaps anyone, especially without a compelling rationale. But it sets a kind of end date.
Another point: I think a decade of war has turned Afghanistan into a permanent security state. If they truly have 100,000 security forces (the ones who haven’t defected) they cannot possibly hope to pay them all over the long-term. Obama says he wants Afghanistan to “move from an economy shaped by war to one that can sustain a lasting peace,” but that’s not possible with a security force that costs more than their current GDP. It’s a recipe for dependence.
Also, this: the long-term binational agreement wasn’t mentioned, but the implications of it are clear in these paragraphs:
The goal that we seek is achievable, and can be expressed simply: no safe-haven from which al Qaeda or its affiliates can launch attacks against our homeland, or our allies. We will not try to make Afghanistan a perfect place [...]
Of course, our efforts must also address terrorist safe-havens in Pakistan. No country is more endangered by the presence of violent extremists, which is why we will continue to press Pakistan to expand its participation in securing a more peaceful future for this war-torn region. We will work with the Pakistani government to root out the cancer of violent extremism, and we will insist that it keep its commitments. For there should be no doubt that so long as I am President, the United States will never tolerate a safe-haven for those who aim to kill us: they cannot elude us, nor escape the justice they deserve.
In other words, the goal in Afghanistan is to attack safe havens in Pakistan. And that’s backed up by Spencer Ackerman’s reporting. There will be no movement of troops east, where the Taliban is dug in. Instead, the strategy will be “drones, drones, training Afghans, commando raids, and drones,” to quote Spencer. The mission has shifted to counter-terrorism, only with far more troops that you need for that mission (Sen. Coons didn’t see such a shift, but the refusal to go into the east is the tell). And the special ops forces, the JSOC guys, are being used to selectively take out Taliban to keep them at the negotiating table.
This is why the permanent bases are so important. There’s no rationale for 68,000 troops in September 2012 in a counter-terrorism mission – unless the bases need to be secured. This is dangerous for the future of unaccountable shadow wars.
Following on that, when Obama said we need to chart “a more centered course” between isolation and intervention when it comes to foreign policy, I laughed out loud, not just because of the banality of that statement, but because there’s nothing centered about a series of covert drone attacks and JSOC missions.
As for the reaction: it was swift and largely predictable. Jeff Merkley, who organized the letter calling for a “sizable and sustained drawdown,” said that “After ten years, we’ve accomplished what we originally set out to accomplish in Afghanistan. It’s time to bring this war to an end.” Kirsten Gillibrand said “Ending the surge in 2012 with a disappointing 10,000 combat troops coming home this year is not good enough… We have seen that counter-terrorism works best in countering al Qaeda.” Antiwar Rep. John Conyers wrote “Our country does not need nearly 100,000 ground troops to hunt down the 50 to 100 al Qaeda who remain in Afghanistan.” Even Harry Reid, in a mildly positive statement, said “I look forward to the day when all of our courageous fighting men and women are safely home.”
Let’s see how this develops in the coming days.




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Thanks for the link, DDay. One thing you might be interested in that didn’t make my piece: my anonymouse sez that the long-term basing accord is gonna be more like … well, check the transcript:
FWIW.
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Lord, we miss you, Spencer…!
This is one of those plans that’s sort of half-baked, and you don’t want to ask too many questions or you’ll find out there aren’t any answers.
Strategic partnership with whom? With Pakistan?
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F*ck me…! Officials: Gates unlikely to certify DADT repeal before leaving office
Did Rumsfeld write the speech?
Is David here? Or anyone who can help me, please….. My mom alkways said “Beerfart dear, the only dumb question is the one you don’t ask.” So here goes: what’s a “permanent security state” ???
aloha, man.
How can I beleiev this shit? Fucking guy promises to close Gitmo–in his fucking Innaugural Address. In front of about 20 billion people. And what about that Mr. President? “Oh well. I can’t.” Alright. maybe not those exact words, but…. Point: I didn’t listen. He’s full of shit.
It continues to be disgusting. American children go hungry…and without healthcare. The Self-Righteous Right continues to attack women’s health care and reproductive rights. And Obama dithers….I mean, that speech was blah,blah,blah……..hopeless!
This was Obama at his deceptive best/worst. This was in no way a withdrawal speech. Obama merely threw a small bone to the anti-war crowd by his call for an extremely slow and limited withdrawal. The so-called reduction in troop strength will be made up for by more mercenaries, contractors, and hi-tech equipment such as drones. The real meaning of the speech is that the president continues to be a puppet of the military-industrial establishment, starting and continuing a proliferating series of endless wars.
Aloha, BFL…! It’s been awhile since we crossed threads…! ;-)
The big news will be ‘Obama fought the Generals and Won’, IMO. And hey, you guys; whaddya want? It’s Election Season; The Man has a lot of needles to thread.
WTF!
Sarah Palin could have made this speech – except for the BIG words.
How about looking in a mirror? Obama has shown himself to be a extremist who practices violent neo-colonialism.
If you were to put George W Bush back in the Whitehouse and hand him that speech, He’d deliver it without batting an eye.
Slow … motion … train … wreck …
Today it’s no jobs, no health care. Soon it will be no transportation fuel. Then no food. The military and domestic security forces will grab whatever they need from the dwindling supplies. Air Force One will still fly majestically to fund-raising dinners. CEOs will still ride in private jets and morbidly obese governors will take helicopter rides to their neglected children’s sporting events, but there will be no fuel for the ambulances and fire trucks.
Dystopia. It’s coming hard and fast.
What a pathetic warmonger OilBomber is. But he is Bringing The War Home. The Surge is also targeting Juan Cole and Bradley Manning. What Special Ops will be used against them? It is important for the Secret Police to target the “inspiring” leaders. Of course OilBomber and his failed military occupations and the War At Home inspire many things.
I’m positive those Drones will win over the Pakistanis…!
Btw, I loved Rachel’s scrawl… AfPak-wards…! And how…!
This coming suprisingly from Milbank:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-variation-on-mission-accomplished/2011/06/22/AGZpNbgH_story.html
yeah. always a pleasure, though. been watching alot of late night baseball
… and the answer is for the US…
Right. Like we worked with them to get Bin Laden. Don’t care. Just bring these men, women and kids home.
Just a reminder — of something you all know but….. saw an article the other day in our local fishwrap, The Sentinel. Kid from orlando was killed in Iraq. You remember Iraq. Where we had a war? But it’s over now. We brought the troops home. It was just a blurb. Said his unit was attacked. No roadside bomb. An attack. Not good, man. Not good.
I agree. I hear they loved that super-duper high-tech stealthy helicopter we left for them. Right near a military school, too. Nice of us. very accomodating, we are.
At this point the “anti war” crowd is the majority of this country.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56623.html
People aren’t stupid. The money we are spending over there is money that could be spent here or used to pay down the awful, terrible no, good, very bad deficit Congress loves to whine about.
Obama was foolish to think he could succeed at changing Afghanistan during an economic downturn. The only way we “fix” Afghanistan is to have tons of money to pour into schools, and social programs (the median age in Afghanistan is 18.2 as opposed to ours which is 36.9) that improve the well being of the average Afghani. We don’t even have the money to do that here, let alone halfway across the world.
You’re either with Obama or you’re with the evil-doers!:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jJQT6bo0Xv6CQ8ERAw02dEJEHWcg?docId=726094cb8cf446b2b07febba9aa842ce
Does anyone know exactly how the 4500 troops deaths in Iraq and the 1500 troops deaths in Afghan. have helped to keep us free here in the US? Serious question.
How does an impoverished failed state halfway around the world — with no army, navy, or air force — possibly threaten the Continental United Sates safe behind vast oceans with historically non-belligerent and weak neighbors to the north and south? I mean, the 19 unarmed Saudi-Arabian hijackers of 9/11/2001 attacked three American buildings from our own airports, for crying out loud. They didn’t learn to fly our commercial airliners in Afghanistan, but at our own flight-simulator schools in Florida. They attacked America from America using American stuff and American inattentiveness as the only weapons they required. What about this humiliating TRUTH and FACT has anything to do with ANYTHING that happens in Afghanistan or Iraq or Pakistan, one way or another? Answer: Nothing.
America’s trillion-dollar-a-year military/intelligence conglomerate lost whatever little face it had on 9/11/2001 when it proved absent and completely irrelevant to American security. Consequently, every vicious, enraged, and violently misguided overreaction that has followed for a decade has revealed only the pathetic and threadbare purpose of trying to put that tattered and humiliated mask back on a discredited and dysfunctional bureaucracy while simultaneously looting the treasury for the venal self-aggrandizement of military/political careerists and their crony corporate camp-followers.
As Pogo the cartoon alligator once profoundly observed: “We have met the enemy, and it is us.” America has defeated itself — just as it did in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia — and the bloated, bungling, and hideously expensive American military career-machine has proven the ironic instrument of that self-defeat. We lose the day we start and we win the day we stop letting our vaunted Visigoths involve themselves in American foreign policy while simultaneously bankrupting America in the process. We do not need, nor can we afford a “defense” this incompetent, wasteful, unaccountable, and indefensible.
The less military and “intelligence” America has, the better. And if we don’t drastically reduce both of these self-inflicted bureaucratic disasters, then America has little hope of survival as a democratic republic. I’d rather take my chances against another group of 19 unarmed Saudi Arabians. I think that perhaps we could handle them the next time, just by staying awake at the switch.
McCain says we should not become isolationists? Hell, its been 10 years of war, emptying out our pockets and having our men and women killed on other nations soil–not to mention building infrastructure in Iraq and Afghan. It as been ten years of intermingling with other nations. Where is our new infrastructure? Where are our new schools and government buildings here? Where is that 16 billion dollars that ‘disappeared” in Iraq? Where is the investigation into that theft of the 16 billion in Iraq? Are the wars a cover for something else our selfish leaders are doing with our money? I hope they are not setting themselves up for something and leaving the average joe taxpayer out of the loop. That would be criminal.
Attackerman only discusses 9-11 to attack the critics of the US Government Coverup that is the 9-11 Commission.
You’re so thinking inside the box.
Afghanistan is a young, exploitable country whose population has a life expectancy of less than 45. I’m sure they are hoping some private enterpreneurs snap up the opportunity to make a buck at the expense of the population(Just think with 45 as their life span you don’t even have to worry about blather like retirement or whatnot at least until they learn to revolt like the other third world places exploited thus far.) It’s all about private enterprise these days. Borders are so passe’
The Afghan Security Forces costs more than the Afghan GDP.
As of 2010, the GDP of Afghanistan was $29.81 billion.
The Washington Post reports:
That total of $20.8 billion is what is being compared to the GDP.
First of all, at least a third of that is for equipment purchases. Those are not annual costs. And what is not clear is how much of that covers the US military cost of trainers. If that is included, it causes the estimate to be vastly inflated.
A force of 100,000 in a country with a GDP/capita of $1000 would be a payroll of some multiple of $100 million depending on how many times the GDP/capita military pay is. Probably somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion.
It is likely that that cost drops dramatically once the US leaves and there is no longer Uncle Sugar’s dollars to embezzle.
And if security is indeed restored, productivity will return and the GDP, which has been depressed by three decades of war, will rise. The population of Afghanistan is 28 million. A force of 100,000 (which likely includes army and policing) is not a large proportion of that number. Peru is a comparable country in population. Peru has an army of 115,000 and is clearly not a security state.
So the assertion is based on three flimsy assumptions; (1) expenditure levels after the US leaves will be the same as they are now when there is a building of the capabilities of the Afghan military; (2) the Afghan economy will remain stagnant even if there is a political solution; (3) a force of 100,000 is overlarge for a population the size of Afghanistan. Item 1 assumes that corruption will continue at the same scale with a diminished budget with less US aid. Item 2 assumes that conflict becomes permanent. Item 3 assumes that a military force 0.36% of the total population constitutes a security state. That percentage is equivalent to the US having 1.1 million members of the armed forces. The US has 1.6 million active-duty personnel in the military.
If the US continues to provide military aid to Afghanistan after it withdraws troops, the corruption in the Afghan government would indeed mean a military budget as large or larger than the GDP. With the Republican’s new mood of isolationism, I don’t see major military aid after FY 2014. And I expect that the aid will be scaled back (and the costs) as US troops leave.
The faster we leave, the more serious the Karzai government will be about having effective security forces.
How the Arab Awakening spins off to Afghanistan will affect how tight a security state Karzai can build. According to reports, there is enough war weariness among the Afghan people that there is popular pressure for a unity government.
Victory in Afghanistan. Just A Shot Away. Here is the latest winning strategy I discovered. Obama is so eleven dimensional he does not understand his own strategery. It is very simple, victory is just a shot away.
Uhhh. We finally got rid of Dick Cheney?
That line was always transparent bullhockey. But in a Presidential speech it tends to be ritual rather than explanation. The families of the troops who died would find it difficult to be told it was for nought. So the President tells what a fine and committed military we have and there’s enough truth in that to satisfy folks. It’s sort of like a priest pronouncing absolution. A pretty persistent part of America’s civil religion.
In other words the U.S. is looking for a big fat comfy SOFA to make our colony official.
Pssst. Don’t mean to interrupt, but Pogo was a possum, Albert was the alligator.
Bingo
Equipment purchases aren’t annual costs? Apparently you should tell that to our Pentagon. Equipment will need maintenance and replacement over there just like it does here.
Furthermore the idea that we won’t be forced to provide them money for decades to hold off the Taliban is a pipe dream.
Afghanistan was a poor decision in 2007 and it continues to be a poor decision. You can’t go back and “unmake” decisions made by a previous administration( see Iraq and now Afghanistan )that you felt were poor. Time marches on and changes a whole lot that affects the outcome.
A couple of hundred years ago when one spoke of the Afgan’s one meant the Pashtun, the Pashto-speaking people, and ONLY the Pashtun. The Area they controlled was the Southern portion of Modern Afghanistan and the NW area of Pakistan. It is time to return to those borders.
Once we do that, if they want to continue to live in the 12th century and dump on their women, while I feel sorry for the women, let them have their 12th century government.
Isn’t it time to get serious about running a true progressive against OBAMA? When you can honestly conclude that Richard nixon was more liberal than the no mama its time to reload- candidate wise. My guy–Russ Feingold.Both Obama and his loser AG need to go. A pres like Feingold or Sanders with an AG like E. Warren could actually do something.
With the repubs so dysfunctional maybe now is the time to actually have a candidate on the left that represents something beside Wall Street. Having that wonderfull choice between sold out and even more sold out is not that appetizing.
That’s what’s been developed out of reporting I’ve seen from the Guardian and elsewhere over the past few weeks. The first time I saw it I called it the bin Laden option. They want a place to park the drones and the special ops guys.
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The headline from the NYTimes: “Obama Will Speed Pullout From War in Afghanistan”. First, what the hell, and secondly, this is why the newspaper industry is in such trouble. Obama’s not “speeding up” anything, he’s simply trying to maintain a promise he made to have troops out by the end of 2014. In case the people at the times suffer from the same thing the general American people suffer, the inability to remember anything past 24 hours, that’s not speeding up a damn thing.
Speeding up the withdrawal would’ve required this President to actually stand up to the pentagon and the military industrial complex, and have all troops out by the end of 2012. If this were the case, this headline might’ve had some legitimacy, but since this isn’t the case, the Times has once again stretched the truth, or plain lied, to support yet another administration caught in the throws of war. And one more thing, as long as there are troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a war going on. And we’ll have troops in those countries through the rest of our lives, and those of our great grandchildren, and probably past then. How about that for change we can believe in!