Max Baucus, a participant in the now-stalled debt limit talks led by Joe Biden, told the Senate Finance Committee that the new “grand bargain” in the deal, what Eric Cantor balked at and left to John Boehner to authorize, is a swap of Medicare cuts for tax increases.
“I’m disappointed that Leader Cantor’s withdrawn,” said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus during a hearing on health care spending. “I think we should stay at the table. I think we should keep working, difficult as it is, and try to balance between Medicare cuts — additional Medicare cuts — so long as there is commensurate additional revenue. We need balance here.”
Baucus made clear that the talks frayed over Democrats’ insistence that tax increases of some sort be part of the final deal.
“The largest deficit reduction measures in the post-World War II era both had significant revenue increases. About one-half the total amount of deficit reduction in each bill,” Baucus said. “I think we can raise revenues and have a positive economic outcome. Revenue increases in the 90s gave us 23 million new jobs. The longest economic expansion in U.S. history and a balanced budget.”
OK, so let’s parse this. Medicare cuts are apparently on the table in the deal. It seems that, in exchange for any additional Medicare cuts, revenue increases of commensurate value would be needed.
Now, there’s literally no connection between Medicare cuts and revenue increases (which could include the elimination of tax expenditures, presumably), just like there’s no connection between a dollar-value increase in the debt limit and spending cuts. These connections are all made for political reasons. Baucus can go back to his party and constituents and say, “Sure, we cut Medicare by $200 billion but we got $200 billion in new revenue.”
But who exactly cares about that relationship? Cutting Medicare by $200 billion is probably bad policy. I say probably because there are ways to “cut” $200 billion which would be quite good policy – like allowing Medicare to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices, for example, or changing the patent expiration for expensive biologic drugs, or moving dual eligibles into Medicaid at a cheaper rate (as long as the coverage is roughly equal). But I suspect that’s not what conservatives will agree to. At the same time, $200 billion in the closing of tax expenditures may or may not be good policy; it depends on what’s getting cut. Allowing a middle-class tax break to expire might be bad policy rather than canceling corporate welfare.
Not to mention the political fallout. After gaining the advantage thanks to the deeply unpopular Ryan budget, making a deal with Medicare cuts in it would completely abandon that advantage.
So the devil’s in the details here, but keep in mind that this is outside the other $1.5-$2 trillion in spending cuts that moves discretionary spending to an absurdly low baseline and makes spending cuts that the economy cannot sustain at this time. It’s possible that gimmickry will make these cuts appear larger than reality. But it’s just as possible that they are, in fact, real cuts. So we’re not talking about a balanced program of cuts and revenues, we’re only talking about balance on the ENTITLEMENT CUTS, and just one portion of them: Medicare. The total ratio could be as high as 90-10 spending to revenues, by these numbers.
It’s a horrible outcome. I for one am rooting for as much infighting among Republicans as possible to cancel out this bad deal. Of course, that puts us in a dangerous territory on the debt limit.
UPDATE: More on this tomorrow, but it looks like we’re talking about provider cuts, which is better than I feared.





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So let me see if I have this straight. In 1968 I opposed LBJ who gave me a land war in Asia and Medicare. NOW, that I’m old enough to need Medicare, I have a President who wants me to vote for a land war in Asia and give up Medicare (I know, I know he’s going to PRETEND that he’s not asking me to give up Medicare while he lets the Catfoodcrats do the dirty work).
Hmmm, McCarthy and Bobby may be dead, but I just might have to write them in anyway. Heck, I’ll write in LBJ. And why not Nixon? I may yet grow fond of Reagan….
I mean once upon a time the Democrats were the lesser of evils. Not any more….
I am left with the distinct impression that we are absolutely powerless to affect this process in any way, that no matter what a majority says, the overlords are going to do whatever they want anyway.
Let’s cut ‘entitlements’ (pensions, health insurance, etc.)
for Congress first.
Time for them to ‘share the sacrifice’
and show they’re ‘serious’ about the deficit.
Yes, it won’t make much of a dent,
but neither will bashing the most vulnerable.
Yep, death by a thousand cuts.
I grow increasingly certain there will be no Medicare left by time I’m old enough to qualify… or I’ll die before I get there, since it seems likely they’ll raise the qualification age until it’s beyond the average life expectancy in my notoriously short-lived genetic forebears’ stock.
Because these same people voting to enact these benefits cuts now are the same ones who, last December, extended the Bush tax cuts.
I wonder if Baucus whined to Cantor not to say mean things about him, when Cantor walked out.
Let’s pick up the death rate here .
Tons of our money to be stolen in the killing fields but not enough to keep Grandma alive.
To the strong backs that built this country before eric was a gleam in an eye eric says FU.
Boy the French were right , in the end kill 1%ers or be killed by their greed.
I’ve been feeling that way lately too.
Maybe if I had Max’s Rolls Royce health care for life I’d be grinning like an ape, too. BTW I got a call from a Democratic Party fund raiser last night. I told him that since the Demcrats planned to take money out of my pocket, I wouldn’t be putting any money in theirs.
This is like watching some one who has never gone to med school do surgery or some one defend a death row case who has never gone to law school. These people have no idea what they are doing to the economy or to the financial system in this country. It’s basically the case of the inmates running the insane asylum. Their delusions frame the debate.
You have to wonder how Mini-Max, running for his political life, will vote on Medicare cuts.
Color me shocked. The same guy who squashed the public option, medicare negotiating with drug companies and so guaranteed health care costs would rise at twice the rate of inflation? Well fuck me! Of course we gotta cut that funding so we can afford to pay the insurance leeches to suckle the tax payers teat.
Almost makes one nostalgic for Nixon. He’d be a “progressive” democrat under these current circumstances. Democrats are ripping up his EPA, just to name one example.
Cenk Uygur made the point that Dubb-yuh would be a liberal under the current Right Wing Rulebook!
(In McCain’s voice) No, my friends, we’re all being Fed. Fed hard. Fed fast.
And guess who’s helping them F us? “That one”.
Was there ever really in real doubt?
AARP stopped pretending to be on the side of the Senior citizens. Now Baucus is revealing his intention to make Medicare cuts. Hmm. Looks like a pattern. All we need is a third point and we have a mathematical function. President’s silence says a lot too.
We have a D president insisting on spending cuts and tax increases in the middle of a deep recession. Pure insanity. ANY significant spending cuts matched by significant tax increases in ANY year for the next five years will halt the recovery and INCREASE unemployment.
Maybe the real reason Cantor walked out is because Baucus balked at admitting his intention to cut Medicare? How cynical is that??
More Iraq and less Social Security. More Afghanistan and less Medicare. More Libya and less Medicaid.
All they had to do was keep it simple and just go before the public and say they were not going to cut Medicare, Medicaid (nursing homes) and Social Security and let the Republicans take the other side.
But no, no — instead we get Nixon making his Asian land war speech and Chuck Colson making his throw grandma under the bus deals.
And they seriously expect me to vote for this! They have the NERVE to keep asking me for money to advance this agenda!
If the Dems trade tax increases for Medicare Cuts Obama is a one term President. The Dems will lose huge in the fall and heck after that loss we should find it much more easy to form a third party or Primary Obama.
I expect O to announce after the Dems lose in the fall that he will not run for reelection.
Any dem who votes to cut medicare and increase taxes 1 penny on the middle class is toast. The Dems and GOP say they raise taxes on everyone but somehow we get the huge increases and they get tax cuts smokes are $7 a pack O in Illinois thats nothing if your rich but a huge rise for regular workers.
Tax increases should be allocated by income those with the most cash should pay more.
That’s what the Republican strategy is basically. Insist on tanking the Economy and know that Obama will go along with it. Then, blame Obama the Socialist for the problems and insist that none of this would happen if the Republican nominee is elected President. Then, Democrats run on the platform of we where forced to do it … same playbook, endlessly. Obama runs on the I’m less evil and more sane than the Republican nominee. It’s like feedback loop.
AARP, is a tax exempt corporate joke. Just like the politicians, AARP will sell the people whose interest’s they claim to represent, down the river, for profit. Just as Max sold the American people out to the health insurance corporations, who now get our money under fear of a coercive punitive financial tax penalty? I believe the post civil war amendments to the constitution preclude such servile relationships to corporations or slave owners, with good reason!
And Saint Ronnie would never make the cut…
Sickening but utterly unsurprising. Is anyone else paying any attention to this travesty, or is it just the teensy percentage of citizens who blog at places like this who *notice* and who are outraged? That’s a huge part of the problem, too, frankly. I’m all for ranting and pointing fingers of blame at greedheaded f*cks, like Bauchus, but I’m also getting rather annoyed with other citizens blissfully *ignoring* all of this and living in some la-la land of denial.
In our country knowledge comes AFTER the fact, if at all.
I have to agree. The lesser of two evils scenario? Sophie’s Choice, was not a choice. It was a matter of survival, self preservation. Sophie lost in the end, dealing with her pain. We are all gong to be losers in the absence of real leadership.
There is no “fall election” for the dems to lose big in before the 2012 presidential election. So, we can’t primary Obama or expect him to announce he won’t run for re-election after a big dem loss.
Baucus was able to slide into the Health Care Bill a “Free Medicare for all” deal for Libby Montana and yet he continues to throw the rest of us to the wolfs. What can we do about this guy??? There are more of us then them…there must be something we can do to stop this once and for all.
Unfuckingbelievable. Let them walk. Let the whole thing fall apart and then, what will happen? Wall Street and the bankers will freak out at the potential of the bottom falling out without the debt ceiling increase, they will call their puppet pols and demand that the debt ceiling be increased and voila! All this sturm and drang for nothing…except the opportunity to destroy “entitlements” will be lost…
Would not extending the “doc fix” constitute “Medicare cuts”?
Or is this all deductibles and co-pays?
“The single payer plan that Baucus kept off the table is now very much on the table in Libby. Unknown to most of the public, Baucus inserted a section into the health reform bill that covers the suffering people of Libby, Montana, not just the former miners but the whole community—all covered by Medicare.
They don’t have to be 65 years old or more.
They don’t have to wait until 2014 for the state exchanges.
No ten year roll out—it’s immediate.
They don’t have to purchase a plan—this is not a buy-in to Medicare—it’s free.
They don’t have to be disabled for two years before they apply.
They don’t have to go without care for three years until Medicaid expands.
They don’t have to meet income tests.
They don’t have to apply for a subsidy.
They don’t have to pay a fine for failure to buy insurance.
They don’t have to hope that the market will make a plan affordable.
They don’t have to hide their pre-existing conditions.
They don’t have to find a job that provides coverage.
Baucus inserted a clause in the Affordable Care Act to make special arrangements for them in Medicare, and he didn’t wait for any Congressional Budget Office scoring to do it”
http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/2011/06/15/how-libby-montana-got-medicare-for-all/
Everyone should move to Libby, Montana. That’ll show him.
It is called the Silent
GermanAmerican Syndrome. Sidetracked by American Idol, the Jersey Shore, things which really effect our live’s, are minimized and by the time Americans realize what has really taken place, the damage is alreay done. It is in fact, “after the fact, if at all,” as Twain points out, that reality sets in. All enabled by misinformation and the silence of Americans intimidated into silence, or just to fucking ignorant or to lazy to think, or after an 80 hour work week are to tired to even feed themselves, after paying the man. Instead it easier to go out and get drunk and forget it all, till the next morning, when reality is unchanged. No wonder why substance abuse is so prevalent in America?Real “equal protection” and “due process” for Americans under the law?
They don’t care, they’ve got theirs. They have no idea what kind of lives most people live and no interest in finding out.
Baucus sold us out on the Medicare Prescription Benefits ( blocked price negotiations) Health Care Reform (no government options) and now this on Medicare. Why is this man allowed withing ten miles of any kind of negotiations? Why does he have any seniority, power or respect? At this point we know exactly what is going to happen.
Two points could be a function: straight lines can be functions. As long as a vertical only cuts once, as I remember it.
You seriously underestimate Obama’s conceit. He may lose, but he won’t believe it until he sees the numbers–and even then, he’ll think us utter fools. The HS expression used to be stuck on himself.
Wait! So there’s no question Medicaid is on the scrap heap, now Medicare will be traded so that we can continue to subsidize Big Oil, give to banksters their holiday bonuses for doing such a good job for the IMF and continue to war on vulnerable countries with minerals the MOTUs want?
OK……got it.
PS: my 96 year old aunt will NOT be amused. What I feel cannot be expressed in polite company
Trust me, many of us can not fully express what we might wish to. And every one of these stories only makes the injustice worse.
I personally would be banned permanently if I expressed what I really think of Baucus.
In online discussions about Obama’s so-called health care “reform,” I’ve had incensed right-wingers railing at me about “insulin pumps.” There was nothing in the Affordable Care Act about them, so I guess now I know why. Last minute change to get Evan Bayh’s vote.
The phrase “Medicare cuts” is much more dangerous than some stuff about insulin pumps (which I Googled of course). Dems ought to have learned that lesson in the last election when GOP candidates posed as great defenders of Medicare against alleged “cuts.”
It’s political suicide to embrace any kind of Medicare cuts, so of course the Dems will do it.
Yes, what’s galling beyond civil speech is that this devil’s bargain is to be made to reduce the debt and the debt is caused by the trillions squandered in the wars the Obama administration continues.
after at least 30 years of the poor, working/middle class getting killed while the uber rich got more and more we have a Dem President who will cut Medicare/Medicaid and SS for the sake of having the rich pay a few percent more in taxes (We all know they really won’t).The President will stand up and have the nerve to say he fought for average American..or more likely he will have Biden say it!
Wall st caused this mess but Obama has no interest in doing anything about it…the uber rich demanded extending the Bush tax cuts Obama did nothing (oh that;s right he got another years worth of unemployment)the Bush/Obama wars have helped to destroy lives and our way of like Obama does nothing about it….
Obama is running for relection and needs votes…I hope the people will do something; vote for someone else!
Provider cuts – what a great idea. Medicare patients in my area are already having trouble finding doctors to take them because of the rates Medicare pays for primary care visits. Both of my parents have “lost” their doctors in the last year because they started boutique practices and wanted to charge $2000 a year for the privilege of being in their practice. They are having trouble finding new doctors who take Medicare.
The other problem with provider cuts is that doctors have to make up the money somehow. So, they overbook, and make visits 10 minutes long, or have the office help collect information. It all results in poorer quality care.
Where is Cenk, Rachel , or Ed…….or Keith Oberman? Why don’t they slam Baucus and others on this one?
And the Republicans are working like hell to get the stupid Democrats to join them in a “bipartisn effort” to cut SS and Medicare. The Dems don’t have a brain in their heads.
OK, is it now time, finally, for an organized, multi-lefty blog NATIONAL DE-REGISTRATION DRIVE to urge people to change their voter registration from Dem to Independent or whatever third party they have access to which actually gives a tinker’s damn about us little people?
Baucus managed Obama’s sell out to Big Health Industry Players (BHIP) by pushing the wondrous health insurance company profit protection plan masquerading as a health CARE plan through the Senate. And keeping any real actions by Dems to even bring up single payer.
He’s a strong Corporatist, Neolib, and ConservaDem. Obama is right there with him.
Why do we support this politican organization which is trying to not only destroy the social safety net, but, along with that and due to that, the very raison d’etre for the Democratic Party?
I’ve thought Obama was a stealth candidate for Wall Street; I’m thinking he’s also a stealth destroyer of the Dem Party. For whom? Repubs?
Oh, and I think it’s apparent by now that Obama and the Neolib Corportists are working with the Koched up Republicans to also go after SocSec. Medicaid, the only health care help for the poor, is on the chopping block already.
Obama was not forced to give the Republicans those Bush tax cut extensions last fall — he wanted to give them and the Uberwealthy those tax cut extensions. Oh, he played the B’rer Rabbit role quite well: Please, no, don’t throw me in the briar patch of Bush tax cut extensions! He even gave the Repubs more than they ever dreamed they’d get, what with actually making the poorest pay out more in taxes and letting the hedge funders keep their nice low tax rates.
What kind of Democrat would do that??? A NON-Democrat.
And why does Obama do the things he does? All together now:
Because he’a a conservative
.
It’s all a fucking farce. Cover to allow the Dems to do what their sponsors want and blame it on the GOP.
The debt limit is a gun that is not loaded. Tomorrow, Geithner could mint two trillion-dollar coins, swap them $2T to the Fed for $2T in Treasury bonds and burn them, thereby shrinking the national debt by $2T.
Beowulf and letsgetitdone have been making this point for months. Why aren’t people listening?
Very tribal — and very political. Bauces takes care of what he perceives to be his own (and himself, his donors); screw the rest.
Why exactly in a “time of austerity” do doctors have to make up the money somehow. Don’t they believe in “shared sacrifice”?
ding ding ding!
i sure as hell would like to know!
maybe the same reason powwow didn’t get a hearing about the filibuster senate rules? (which was also only “Cover to allow the Dems to do what their sponsors want and blame it on the GOP.”)
p.s. “It’s all a fucking farce.” would make a great diary title!
Here’s a thing; you can be right as rain all day on the facts and the betterment of a political group. All day, all the time, pure as snow.
Until you find a way to “sell” that, get your point across favorably, and get a constituency? You’re screwed.
I know all this for a fact from gay advocacy. We always win when it comes to “equality” vs “special rights” and point that out.
We always lose when it’s some abstract un-emotional argument.
To argue to WIN for MMT, you need to make it plainly and emotionally available to people, not to just assert that you’re correct.
You don’t have to like that, but it’s true.
Lot’s of money to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan and feed the war machine. No money for roads, bridges, high speed rail for America. What the hell is going on?
There was a great article in the Sunday Philadelphia Inquirer on the defecit nobody talks about, the trade defecit. All this free trade nonsense has made trillions for corporations at the expense of the ordinary Americans. Yet both parties keep spouting this free trade nonsense. Problem is were too apathetic. What will it take for Americans to take to the streets? Last time they did was the Vietnam war and they better wake up because their country is being sold out from under them.
Here’s something to ponder. In February, Exxon signed a huge contract to develop the oil fields in Iraq. Exxon pays no US taxes, in fact they got a refund based on tax credits. Iraq cost the US money and, more imporantly, lives. So who benefits? Why the tax dodger Exxon. Only in America! That company along with Goldman Sachs and a few others, needs to broken up and scattered to the wind.
has nothing to do with MMT.
it has to do with learning the rules of the game — the laws governing treasury&fed and the senate rules.
powwow showed — not asserted, but showed. and in all kinds of gory details for anyone who cared — that the filibuster rule party line was nonsense. lots of comments and diaries… and the only response was point scoring bullshit. so please, take your selling line somewhere else. progressives who aren’t interested in actual evidence or reality ought to stop making fun of right-wingers and the tea party folks when they do the same damn thing. it just makes the rest of us look silly.
if you want to argue that fdl is fox tv, that’s your right. but don’t expect that to be a successful argument with me.
(seriously, for someone who claims that being right isn’t what matters — it’s all about persuasion — i find it kinda funny that your assertions have done NOTHING to persuade me.)
Royal Oak. You have it! Let it all collapse. Then we can start all over again and eliminate that top % group all together. Bring back the guillotine.
You can put words in my mouth all day long.
I am not arguing FDL is FoxTV by any stretch; what I am saying is, you fail to make your points in a meaningful manner as regards persuading common voters.
I buy MMT, to a point before it veers off from Keynes. To sell beyond me is you and the other MMT adherents task.
It’s still yours, no matter what point of view you’d like to paint me with.
did you even read the first line of my comment?
here it is again, in case you need the reminder: has nothing to do with MMT.
Then explain your way around: “The debt limit is a gun that is not loaded.”
That’s MMT.
nope. reading my comment @57 might help. it’s about the laws governing treasury & fed (re wigwam’s comment) and senate rules (re the filibuster).
in both cases the dems have lied to us. and in both cases it sure looks like “Cover to allow the Dems to do what their sponsors want and blame it on the GOP.”
p.s.
have you even read keynes? can you tell me, off the top of your head (without cheating and looking up an answer) where mmt veers off from keynes?
i’m going to bet the honest answer to that last question is “no.”
No. Buying big seignorage coins is not part of Keynes. Extending deficit by “normal” means is.
If I’m wrong, fine.
BTW, so what?
Give me 3 bullet points to sell MMT vs Keynes, why they are superior to Keynes, and I will.
Without such, I can’t.
You can reject “selling” all you want and remain in some “holy” and “I am correct” place. And that’s lonely.
just checking to see if you were bullshitting me (by pretending to know stuff you don’t).
i’ve told you before, and i’ll tell you again…. i’m not going to knowingly bullshit anyone. i know i could be wrong. i’ve been wrong before.
it’s not about “holy” or “i am correct” — that, apparently, is your gig. not mine.
And what you reject is an ally, who will help you convince others.
I’ve offered more than once. And what you, nor Letsgetitdone will do is make a simple statement to get beyond Keynes.
I’ll just say “whatever, Selise.”
Doesn’t bother me one bit to stay behind Dean Baker, and watch you strangle yourself around that post, and not make an attempt to actually convince people about what they should do.
You’re happy with “scolding” and I’m along with many others are immune to it.
Convince me? I’ll help you. I keep telling you I’m willing to be convinced, and you keep staying in some “holy of holies.”
Fire out some proofs and “better than” statements.
back to the topic of my earlier comments….
we have at least two recent examples — the filibuster and the faux debt limit — of the dems lying to us and in both cases it sure looks like the lies were “Cover to allow the Dems to do what their sponsors want and blame it on the GOP.”
(even, as in the case of this thread, going so far as attempting to change the subject)
wigwam asked why isn’t anyone paying attention.
my working hypothesis is that there appears to be some reluctance to consider evidence that challenges the dems’ cover stories.
maybe it’s embarrassment to have been suckered by the dems’ cover stories?
whatever is going on, it seems quite strange to me that info which supports the party messaging is accepted while info that challenges it gets ignored.
for me that means it comes down to the question of whether or not we want to be part of a truly independent media.
If Obama goes with Baucus, Im done with the democratic party.
I will resign and be voting GREEN
I am disgusted by the Obama neo conservative policies.
I am done with politicians caving into every lobby group except the people they are sworn to represent
I am more than disappointed in the Obama administration.
If he sells out the people again it will NOT matter if he is a one term president. He is no different from the opposition party.
He deserves to be a one term president
You’re So Vain could be his campaign song.
I’m So Vain, perhaps?
True –
Indeed the 14th Amendment seems to make a debt limit law unconstitutional.
As to actual topic of this thread – the comment “looks like we’re talking about provider cuts” brings to mind the annual Doc Fix bill – just more Kabuki
As to MMT “selling” – hard to see the need to sell simple linear equations that are true by definition. But when MMT asserts knowledge of how those equations predict job losses to China, or inflation, or anything else that is predictive of future results from some action, I also seem to be reading Keynes in the offered prediction. MMT does reveal that our Fed could do its job in much simpler ways – and that the trade imbalance has another vocabulary that is useful. But I am not on board the just issue money train – just sell debt to the Fed – yet (despite evidence that overspending on pyramids drove Egypt to prosperity for a couple of thousand years – there are other ways to see the history)
Yeah. Get the feeling that “they” want to increase unemployment? Or that they don’t want Medicare for us, so they are “dying” it?
There is something wrong with us if we let them do this TO US again.
Same bad players. Baucus is an ass. Obama is a terrible leader. They deceive. They want us to have nothing, so corporations and the rich can have it all..
We should be demanding what we want for our tax dollars-on the table (Obama can look to Canada for example.) What all we want Mr. Baucas- for our hard earned tax dollars- is for our money to be used in community to help our people have a good life- like they do in Europe.
These leaders of ours are traitors to our people.
Our lives should be so meaningless to these assholes?
The only thing that will get Obama re-elected is if he doesn’t cut Medicare and SS. If he agrees to cuts, hello GOP President.
What we expect from our representatives is that they WALK OUT of any discussion involving our entitlements- priority programs serving necessary quality of life benefits to the American people. Period.
Austerity is on them- the greedy.
Thanks Selise, I may follow up on that.
Thanks for sharing this warning, Dave. We came across this perspective on America from abroad and it helped focus ideas about “bad” quality of life in America now:
http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/america-the-grim-truth/
Hi Kelly,
The the normal Kensyian thing has already been done by the Fed under QE1, QE2, and before. The Fed has exchanged $2T of liquidity (produced outo thin air by incrementing account balances on Fed accounts) for those $2T of Treasury bonds. So, in fact, the Fed has paid off (monetized) $2T of the national debt with (virtually) newly printed money. All of that is past history.
But, unfortunately, bonds held by the Fed are still considered to be part of the national debt, even though the Fed is an arm of the government and has the power to print its own money (“banknotes”). We can fix that by giving the Fed speical coins for those bonds. And, then we can burn them, thereby disappearing $2T of the national debt.
James K. Galbraith, who has impeccable Keynesian credentials, made exactly the same point:
Unfortunately, Jamie overlooked a couple of legal and accounting issues here, but Beowulf and letsgetitdone have carefully and cleverly filled in the the accounting and legal details for him.
I thought Section IV of the 14 Amendment The Constitution says The US Government must pay its debts.So the Debt limit should be Unconstitutional. Now Social Security unfunded and can stand own and. I believe Medicare and Medicaid are unfunded can’t stand on its own. The people are coming into these programs allots sicker because they putting off going to see the doctors because of the high cost. Even with medicare allot of there medications need prioritization. Which is another way to say no.
(none of the content in any of the following independently verified:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYZORXUIswk&feature=related
good melody, harmony, rhythm, singing voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgRB352pODI
This one particularly is crude, and I ordinarily wouldn’t
help publicize this sort of personality attack, BUT: I actually
thought I was seeing a lobbyist dictate into Baucus’ ear during
the Congressional deliberations in full view of the public on TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9U3IX3dyYo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=max+baucus+drunk+on+senate+floor&aq=0&oq=max+baucus+
Actually, the public option still had a shot until Joe Lieberman
finally killed it. But with relief from a choice of
“going naked” or “premium death spirals” only coming to adults in
2014, I’m not sure Obama wants relief from the shell game.
To heck with them. Let the Bush tax-cuts expire. Period.
i think that galbraith quote is actually mmt, not keynes. i haven’t read keynes though, so i’m just guessing…. because in keynes’ day there was a partial gold standard and fixed exchange rates.
i’m shocked. can you give me a link please? thanks!
Oops! You’re absolutely right.
From what I know, Keynesian deficit spending in the U.S. had to be covered by borrowing. The Third Reich was doing what’s called military Keynesianism and were much more radical about their deficit spending and therefore recovered from the depression much faster. But I’m not sure to what extent that involved essentially printing money as does quantitative easing.